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What's our best outfield?

Out of Heyward, Diaz, Hinske, Cabrera, Infante, Blanco, and Clevlin what's our best outfield and when?

For me, it hinges around making infante a more regular outfielder. He is a consistent hitter, and great in the clutch. 

If the club is saying Heyward is a legit center field option, I would say put him in center, Infante in right, and keep up the Platoon of Hinske and Diaz in left. 

I am tempted to go into more of my thought, but I would rather keep this more of an open question than a personal answer. 


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Our best OF option isn't on this team...

I like Melky/Gregor/JHEY/Diaz

That being said JHEY is the only everyday starter right there

Let Hinske be a fulltime pinch hitter with ocasional start at 1B or LF

Melky and Gregor switching on and off in CF

Matty Diaz and a player we get in a trade in LF

After seeing us be shutdown by some guy i’ve never heard of on the Nats i am convinced we need help and that this just won’t cut it…

Phillies are too close for comfort and Wren would be an idiot to stand pat at the deadline IMO

Jason Heyward...great guy

by KINGSLYTUT on Jul 27, 2010 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

vs RHP: Hinske – Blanco – Heyward
vs: LHP: Diaz – Heyward – Infante

by Buffalo Braves on Jul 27, 2010 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

IMO

vs. RHP: Willingham-Blanco-JHEY
vs LHP: Diaz-JHEY-Willingham

Jason Heyward...great guy

by KINGSLYTUT on Jul 27, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Willie Cabrera

Give him a shot because there are no good options on the trade market (Corey Hart is garbage). If Upton or Kemp are available without selling the entire farm, then a trade makes sense. Otherwise, give someone in the system a shot. As much as I want to see this team win this year, I would rather see this team become dominant again over the next several years and that does not happen by trading away prospects for Corey Hart (the thought of that makes me sick).

by gutisking on Jul 27, 2010 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Hart is garbage?

22 HRs? yea really trash…

Jason Heyward...great guy

by KINGSLYTUT on Jul 27, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because hey, we all know...

…that all that matters is this year’s production and a player’s career numbers are meaningless.

by cavebird on Jul 28, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

But his career is one that is a couple of good seasons and a couple of bad seasons. This year’s Hart is much closer to the real deal than the 2009 version.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why do you think that?

He has had two full seasons of mediocrity and a season and a half of being good (2007 and 2010). Before this year, he seemed to be on the Frenchy career path. Now I just don’t know. I guess it might be worth a shot to find out, but not at the price the Brewers are asking right now. If the price comes down, then I might be interested.

by cavebird on Jul 28, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because this season, he is apparently laying off those bad pitches he chased. And I don’t know why people think the 2 full seasons of data outweigh his 1.5 good seasons + his minor league track record of success.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the minor league numbers are relatively irrelevant...

…after 3.5 years in the majors. And Hart has been a complete mixed bag. I don’t think there is any way to know how he will turn out. He obviously has the talent to do very well, but obviously there is something about him that makes this not a certain thing.

I don’t think the two seasons necessarily outweigh the 1.5 bad seasons, I just don’t think the 1.5 good seasons outweigh the 2 bad seasons, either.

by cavebird on Jul 28, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I agree that the 2 bad and the 1.5 aren’t enough to go either way on the decision, which is why the minor league stats are important.

What kind of player was he then?
What kind of player has he been in the bigs?

He has shown that he can be that guy that he was in the minors, if not better, so why the assumption that he sucks and wouldn’t be a good fit here? He seems like the PERFECT player to bring here, IMO.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't assume that he sucks.

I just said I didn’t know. I don’t buy using minor league numbers as a tie-breaker five years into a major-leaguer’s career, they are just too remote to matter much compared to the major league numbers.

You are correct that he has shown he can be a good player in the majors like he was in the minors. He has also shown that he can be mediocre in the majors. In other words, at this point, you just don’t know what you are going to get with him.

Does this make him a perfect fit? Not in my opinion. He could be great, he could be mediocre. Unfortunately, because of the great year he is having, we would be buying high, not low, and the Brewers have made it very clear that the price for him is high. If we are going to buy high, why not go for a guy who has been a consistently good hitter like Josh Willingham?

by cavebird on Jul 29, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, I would rather have Willingham, but he just may not be available.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you are saying. Hart might just be one of the up & down players his entire career. But he is hardly garbage.

by FitzFan on Jul 29, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do minor league numbers matter again?...

See Jojo Reyes, Andy Marte, among countless others. Especially with a significant MLB sample size with Hart, minor league numbers should be worthless. I heard Jeff Francouer showed a lot of power in Mississippi, maybe he isn’t as bad as the 5 years up in MLB indicate. It’s a ridiculous point to be making.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 29, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

False.

When your MLB date conflicts itself, the next logical step to try to figure out what kind of player a particular person is is to look at their minor league track record.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

*Data, not date.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

no Justin, Sanchez is right here..when the sample in MLB becomes large enough MiLB nbrs are worthless…not to mention you dont need to use those numbers to support your point (notice i didn’t, but you shouldn’t compare yourself to me, I’m better than you :) )

the Francouer example is perfect as is numerous other players you could use…after a player has played a good number of games his MiLB track record is useless (see Martin Prado)

"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."

Dwight Schrute

by Swo12bv on Jul 29, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, if my MLB data says two different things, it is unacceptable to look at the previous 4-5 years’ worth of data to see which MLB data is more likely?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, the more appropriate thingis to use teh MLB data to draw conclusions…after 5 years he is nowhere near the player he was int eh minors and we have other data to use…

you can arrive at the same conclusion by crunching his MLB numbers, so no need to use the minor data

"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."

Dwight Schrute

by Swo12bv on Jul 29, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say it is unacceptable.

I would just say that the minor league data at that point has so little indicative value that it is useless.

by cavebird on Jul 29, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what do you do? He has 2 bad years, and will have 2 good years. Who is he?

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

he is a guy who at worst is gonna post a 775 OPS and play defense in the corners…he has decent speed and good power.

the middling projection (the more realistic one) is about a 800 OPS

and the upper level is probably a line around the 280/350/500 slash

"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."

Dwight Schrute

by Swo12bv on Jul 29, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You and I know that, but some people don’t seem to know that. They think that 2009 Corey Hart is the real deal.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither of you *know* that

unless you have some magical power to see the future. I certainly don’t know that.

To me, he is a guy who could be great, or could post a .750ish OPS. He should play average defense at the corners, if UZR can be trusted. He also has decent speed. He could also post a .850-.900 OPS, we just don’t know.

Personally, if we are going to pay an arm and a leg (which seems to be the price for Willingham or Hart), I’d rather get the safer commoditiy, Willingham. And for the record, Willingham will be a third year arbitration guy next year (he made $4.6 million this year), and a free agent after 2011.

by cavebird on Jul 29, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Hart is available. Willingham, according to the reports, is not.

Personally, if we are going to pay premium, I’d rather have Gut. But he may be just as available as Willingham.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you for the willingham contract status…

No one knows anything in regards to future performance…Willingham is the safer bet, but at the same time, his cost is higher as well, bc he is the safer bet. If he is available at all.

at the end of the day I’m not sold on either of these guys and in the end it probably makes th emsot sense to stand pat and see if we can’t get a CF

"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."

Dwight Schrute

by Swo12bv on Jul 29, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering what the Brewers were reported as wanting...

it honestly doesn’t seem like there is any difference in cost. Of course, that’d be something only the guys on the phones (Wren, Rizzo, whoever the Brewers GM is, etc) would know for certain.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 29, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly my thought.

Rizzo in recent days has been more open to trading one of Willingham or Dunn, or at least that has been reported. More news on Dunn than Willingham, although either would cost a bunch. However, so would Hart.

As for paying premium, Willingham or Hart would still be much cheaper than Gutierrez, who is not available at all and probably would take a ridiculous offer.

by cavebird on Jul 29, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who are we all?

maybe he’s just a guy who runs hot and cold, like ya boi KJ. Maybe he’s made adjustments he didn’t before. Either way, there’s better ways to evaluate it besides extremely old data against inferior competition. As the above examples plus so many others show, MLB is a different beast than even AA and AAA, and the numbers there mean little to nothing. Take Alex Gordon for another example.

And with Hart, maybe, just maybe, we’ll have to see how he does going forward to determine if he’s just hot and will regress to the previous two years, or if he’s adjusted and we are seeing an improved player that will continue to play at this level over the next few years.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 29, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

So when French had his hot streak to start the season...

conflicting with his past MLB data (which conflicted with his first half year of good play and second year of decent but not that good outside of RBI year), we should have looked at his minor league numbers to say he’s good now?

I know, it’s a stretch, but that’s essentially what I’m getting from your argument. Hart’s been up enough we can figure what type of MLB player he is, and minor league numbers are pretty useless imo.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 29, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two different animals. Frenchy was hot for 2 weeks. Hart has been hot all season.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Frenchy had conflicting past data...

his first year and a half in the bigs weren’t as bad as what he had done since. As I said, I understand I’m stretching it a bit, but the point still remains. Using minor league numbers in the discussion is worthless. The rest of your arguments on Hart have validity, but using his minor league #s that are pretty long ago now, with such a large MLB sample to use, is not a valid point to be making.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 29, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Frenchy’s minor league numbers support what he did in the majors – lack of patience is what has killed his career.

Hart, who also had a lack of patience, has shown this year that he may have learned something about that.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually he showed that last year…his walk rate last year was above 9%, this year it is only 7% (slightly below league average, i think)…both years are better thean the 4-5 % years he posted before hand…either way he is getting better at taking a walk which is always a good thing

"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."

Dwight Schrute

by Swo12bv on Jul 29, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

HR's

Okay, so that is what determines a player’s worth these days. If you think he keeps that up the rest of the this year and next year, I have some oceanfront property in Iowa that I would like to sell you.

by gutisking on Jul 27, 2010 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

You must not remember the series he had against us...

plus he has good speed, strong D with strong arm, good power, and knocks in RBIs…if thats not better than Melky in your opinion, then you are clueless

Jason Heyward...great guy

by KINGSLYTUT on Jul 27, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

But...

Sending Melky or Greg White out there everyday does not cost us Mike Minor, Julio Teheran, Randall Delgado, or Arodys Vizcaino. Where do you propose we play Corey Hart? Do you really think he can play centerfield everyday? My point is that he is not worth the prospects. He has a better chance of being Jeff Francouer than an above average outfielder. So he had a great series against us. Maybe you forgot that the Brewers were considering releasing him during the Spring. If you could give me some reason to believe that he has a bright future and is not taking advantage of a good lineup around him in a hitter’s park than I would be all about some Corey Hart. The truth is, he does not get on base at a high enough clip to truly utilize his “good speed”. He may be good defensively in right but he is no better than Melky and certainly not better that Blanco in center.

by gutisking on Jul 27, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

based on OPS+ he has had one season of below average performance it was 98 (100 being perfectly average, if you are not familair with it, no offense if you are)…

his defense is perfectlly average in a corner had he has a pretty good arm for RF…

Justin is right by all acounnts he is waiting for pitches he can hit and not swinging at everything…his swing rates have changed slightly. His BABiP isnt significantly higher than normal which means the regression monster wont hurt him…whihc leads you to beleive he can maintain at least a 280 avg and a solid 340-350 OBP (his walk rate fell from last year, but it is higher than his first three years, so that might still improve a bit)…I wouldnt concentrate so much on the HR bc thats a horrible indicator of talent. If you take his career averages, he is an 800 OPS corner OF with decent speed and good defense….think of him as a Jayson Werth wannabe (he even has a beard, which isnt as nice as Werths to completeyl conform to Hart being slightly worse than Werth in every aspect of the game, but still useful in every aspect).

At the end of the day, he is a solid player and giving up Minor for him wouldnt kill us long term. and should help us this year…i understand Mr. Sanchez’s position (figured I’d put the response in here immediately good sir) that Minor can get us a more attractive player this offseason and dont debate that, but that doesnt hel pus now

"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."

Dwight Schrute

by Swo12bv on Jul 28, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much, this!

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Noting that he had exactly one below average season...

…is a little misleading when Hart has also had one season of exactly 100 OPS+ and one season of 101 OPS+ (although this was a partial rookie season) and only two seasons signifcantly about 100 OPS+, one being the partial season of this year.

As for your conclusion, I agree with most of that—-he is a .800 OPS (.350 wOBA) corner who can play center in a pinch, with speed and defense that isn’t horrible. I wouldn’t say it is quite average, however, as he sports a -4.8 UZR/150 over enough time to tell in right.

I just don’t think we should pay Minor for him if we could get Willingham for the same price—-Willingham is a .850 OPS corner (.370 wOBA) who is pretty consistent, and has defense which isn’t great, but isn’t horrible, and is not that much worse than Hart’s.

by cavebird on Jul 29, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

His DRS is -1, which means he is slightly below average and I am chalking it up to deviations that are unexplained

and his UZR is all over the place, although he has been pretty bad this year.

and I agree on Willingham…but is he controlled for next season or would he jut be a rental? (didnt want to look it up)

"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."

Dwight Schrute

by Swo12bv on Jul 29, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

dude, 20 seconds. Come on.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

im lazy leave me alone…plus Im watchign Burn Notice and the commercial just ended

"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."

Dwight Schrute

by Swo12bv on Jul 29, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that any good?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

great show…really interesting…mixes the action and comedy well..with a dash of sex appeal by the hot irish chick

"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."

Dwight Schrute

by Swo12bv on Jul 29, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sex? Irish? The???

I’m sold.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

i believe that is an adaptation of a family guy joke

"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."

Dwight Schrute

by Swo12bv on Jul 29, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are correct.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heyward has played roughly 6 games per year in CF the last 3 years, 0 this year. He’s a prototypical RF, doesn’t seem too smart to move his 240 lb body to CF. Cabrera/Blanco is good with me in CF. CF is a “skill” position, no one decent is available. Trade for a LF. We have too many platoons with Diaz/Hinske/Cabrera/Blanco/Infante, get a LFer and cut out one of the platoons. We all bitch about the crazy line ups from game to game, get a player that can play the position most every day.

Heyward is pretty good

by bighop on Jul 27, 2010 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Trade for a CF. LF hasn’t been the problem, it’s CF. Diaz is well capable enough to start LF, but that won’t happen. I don’t really like platoons either but the one in LF hasn’t hurt us as bad as the production we have been getting from CF.

by Braves24 on Jul 27, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The trade options available on the corners are much more valuable than the ones in center. Moving Jason to center would be the best move due to the offensive value of whomever we trade for being significantly better than the defensive downgrade from Melky/Blanco to Heyward.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio

by BenDuronio on Jul 28, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

great point

heyward’s ability to play center is hardly valuable to us unless we are trading for a great corner outfielder at which point it is super valuable… it also doesnt screw us in the off season when we need to sign a new CF

by willlinn on Jul 28, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Moving Heyward to center is probably not a good idea.

Why?

1. He would be stretched in center. We take a good defensive right fielder and turn him into a average or worse defensive center fielder.

2. If we do the Diaz/Heyward/Infante outfield suggested by the original poster, that is just horrific defensively.

3. It probably isn’t wise to move your franchise player to a position he has not played that often and risk injury.

4. If we get good corner OF’s to go with Heyward, we don’t want them to be run over by the freight train ala McLouth.

5. I don’t think there really are good options on the trade market at corner OF at a reasonable price.

by cavebird on Jul 28, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

With Hinske as a FA, you can trade for an corner outfielder not only this season but next as well.

Josh Willingham, Adam Dunn, Luke Scott, Corey Hart, Jose Bautista, Jose Guillen, and Garrett Jones

Dunn, Bautista, and Guillen are the only ones who would not be available next year as well. With the Braves having three young starters already entrenched in the starting rotation, the pitching depth is tradeable to an extent.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio

by BenDuronio on Jul 28, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jones intrigues me, a lot...

RH bat, decent power, can play LF and even 1B if Freeman isn’t deemed ready next year.

Adam Dunn though I think needs to come off the “corner OF” talk. Yeah, he’s played it before, but I think this year is showing his proper spot defensively is at 1B.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 28, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops...

don’t know why I thought he was a righty. Garrett Jones is a lefty, but he and Scott are intriguing depending on price tag.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 28, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Scott much better...

Scott has a longer track record and less severe platoon splits. Garrett Jones has been horrible against lefties.

by cavebird on Jul 28, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a good question....

…I haven’t heard much at all on the Luke Scott front.

by cavebird on Jul 28, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t he play LF?

by Braves24 on Jul 28, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am coming around to the Heyward in center idea, but only in the right circumstances.

Since I think it is not the best idea to have your 20 yr. old rookie phenom have to worry about playing out of position, it would have to be a significant benefit for it to make sense. Here would be my criteria:

1. The guy we get would have to play passably in right. The Diaz/Hinske platoon works in left, but wouldn’t fly defensively in right. Therefore we need a right fielder who isn’t so bad defensively that the defensive downgrade offset our gain offensively.

2. They guy we get couldn’t be able to play center passably. Otherwise, we just put the new guy there.

3. We would have to get a significant hitting upgrade, otherwise, it just isn’t worth it. Bonus points to righties because we need them more, but a good enough lefty could work.

So who on the list (and your list of available guys looks reasonable) fits the bill?

Dunn(L)—-great hitter. Possibly the worst defensive outfielder in baseball history. With him in right the outfield defense would be too brutal. And he won’t be cheap. Pass.

Bautista®—-plays average defensively in right (literally a 0 career UZR/150) and doesn’t play center. However, he has been a mediocre hitter his whole career until an explosion this year. That makes me leery. Still, if he were cheap enough, I could go for that. Call it a maybe depending on price.

Guillen®—-plays a passable right field, but I don’t think he is enough of a hitting upgrade. Has a career OPS+ of 100, and his career OBP is .323. He’ll be cheap, but I would still not be interested because he just isn’t that much of an upgrade on Melky. Pass.

Garrett Jones(L)—-came out of nowhere last year and was great after being a career minor leaguer. Plays decently in right but doesn’t play center. Has only been average this year with the bat however, and lefties usually do well in Pittsburgh’s stadium (see McLouth). Plus, he is a lefty with severe platoon splits (career .648 OPS vs. lefties). Pass.

Corey Hart®—Plays a passable right field. Has played some center in the past however, and done so decently. But who is the real Corey Hart at the plate? He was great in 2007 and has been great this year, but was completely mediocre in 2008 and 2009. I guess he’d be worth a shot if the price were right, but the Brewers have been asking for a ton. I guess I’ll give it a maybe, on the condition that the price comes down. I’d probably just play him in center rather than moving Heyward, however.

Luke Scott(L)—While he DH’s a lot, the defensive metrics show that he can play passably in the OF, and quite possibly passibly in right. He does not play center. He has been a consistently pretty good hitter, too. While he is a lefty, his platoon splits are not particularly bad. I think I would be okay with him, and hopefully, the price would not be too high. I think I say yes here.

Josh Willingham®—-Consistently good hitter. A righty, too. The defense isn’t great, but he is okay in left, and was passable if not great when he played some right field last year. This is probably the guy we really want. He is my strong yes.

by cavebird on Jul 28, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

If

Heyward plays center, then we are looking for a RF. Hart, Guillen, and Bautista are the only ones that play RF out of the options you mentioned. I don’t really like any of those players, especially if the teams have a high asking price

by Braves24 on Jul 28, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Willingham and Scott have both played right field.

Not primarily, but passably. Well, barely passably. Garrett Jones also plays right just fine, but his bat isn’t that great.

by cavebird on Jul 28, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

what makes you so sure that you know who is available?

by fandave on Jul 27, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure, just going with what Wren said in the DOB article (I think that’s where I read it)

Heyward is pretty good

by bighop on Jul 27, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best Outfield

I can’t think of any justification for not giving Infante more playing time in the outfield. We just lost three out of our last four games with the player with the best average on the team sitting on the bench. Bobby seems to prefer to platoon Omar versus lefties. although his average is significantly higher versus righthanders.

by icepick on Jul 27, 2010 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

If there is a justification...

…it is defense and position. Infante’s OF defense is not good to put it mildly, and he really isn’t a centerfielder. There’s the problem. He’s not significantly better than Hinske against righties or better than Diaz against lefties. That takes care of left field. We don’t need him for right field. And he doesn’t really play center.

by cavebird on Jul 28, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Best Outfield…
Hinske/Diaz in Left
Blanco in Center
Heyward in Right.
Melky filling in as needed

by eaheckman10 on Jul 27, 2010 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Internally:

Diaz/Hinske platoon in LF
Melky in CF
Heyward in right

Hopefully:

Willingham in LF
Gutierrez in CF
Heyward in RF – if he doesn’t get sent to the minors in favor of a more easily available .750+ OPS guy.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2010 5:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Have you read anywhere...

…that Gutierrez is even remotely available? I keep hearing his name thrown about around these parts, but I have never heard one whisper that he is actually available at all.

by cavebird on Jul 28, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope. It is a pipe-dream.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep, just like me with Braun/McCutcheon...

the chances anyone of that caliber is available is slim to none, but we do have some pieces to offer that could get it done (if we were willing to decimate the farm and including 1 or 2 young quality starters). But hey, it’s not completely inconceivable considering what we can put in a package as far as pitching, both major league ready if not already succeeding at this level, plus potential front line types in Teheran or Delgado.

If we can’t score more than 5 runs between now and the deadline, I wouldn’t be in shock to see Wren much more willing to part with a guy like Lopez, Minor, Delgado, Medlen, etc to get a high profile OF, and one that would be here for more than just the next few months.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 28, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

RF – Jason Heyward
LF – Jason Heyward
CF – Jason Heyward

best outfifeld.

Kawakami - 1, Halladay - 0

by BigG1392 on Jul 28, 2010 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

why not try heyward cf diaz right, hinske and melky left unless we trade for someone

by Brandonba on Jul 28, 2010 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

If Melky is playing...

…there is no need to put Heyward in center since Melky can play it. Diaz is a disaster in right, so we want him in left whenever he plays.

by cavebird on Jul 28, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Diaz in RF...

I just threw up in my mouth thinking about any throw from RF. I wonder if Diaz can throw the ball on a line from RF to 1B without 1-hopping?

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

About as realistic as Kate Beckinsale and Jessica Biel fiercely competing for my affections. And me getting elected President. Whilst riding a horse.

by J-Freak on Jul 29, 2010 1:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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