Rosterbating in late July: The heat makes it messier...
a week until the trade deadline, and with the other post getting up to 400, I figured we may as well start up a new one before the janitor gets overwhelmed.
We all know the current candidates on the market, or at least can by checking out mlbtraderumors.com. We know what the team needs (the ever elusive "big bat"), and what we've got to move (an excess of average OFs, quality pitchers in almost all forms, and several other high upside minor league position players). So with nice, fresh, clean room to mess, let's get to rosterbating!
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I'll start this one off by echoing Grant of McCovey Chronicles...
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/7/23/1584344/deadline-fears
The Giants are looking at about the same targets we are, OF hitters, and he said my thoughts on Hart, Dejesus, and Bautista better than I could, especially on Corey Hart.
Corey Hart scares me because he’s having a fluky good year. He’s also the kind of hitter who can be beat regularly by good pitching. There’d be nothing worse than overpaying for Hart, making the playoffs, and watching him flail at slider after slider against playoff pitching.
Well, we can scratch DeJesus off everybody's list.
Which is a shame because I liked him most. He’s out 2-6 weeks and possibly longer with a thumb injury. Seeing a hand specialist today.
he is out for the season
I bought the Braves for two reasons. To get an autographed baseball without pleading for it and to get good seats.
Ted Turner
And none of them are available.
They are all young and cheap and on non-contending teams. Non-contenders give up expensive veterans, not young cheap talent. I’d love Strasburg, Stanton, Longoria, and Felix Hernandez as well, but they just aren’t available.
Shameless self promotion inside...
everyone is available at the right price. We’ve got enough in the system to get Gutierrez or Jones (with Young’s ability to turn to nothing and his long term salary, I’d have no interest there), although it’d certainly be price.
And y’all gotta rec the post to keep it up top. Otherwise, someone else has to do this again in a day or three.
No, we don't have enough to get him without...
…doing something stupid. Yeah, Heyward is in our system, with him we could get almost anybody. Teheran or Freeman wouldn’t get Gutierrez or Jones. Prado probably would. Minor certainly would not. So, no, if you eliminate silliness, we aren’t going to get those guys, they just aren’t realistically available—-we’d have to give up guys that are as good or better and ready to contribute now, which would mean we would be better or keeping what we have.
Teheran
is worth more than Gutierrez or Jones. Freeman probably is too. Prado definitely is worth more than either.
You are way overvaluing Gutierrez and Jones. Not that I particularly think we should trade for either, but there’s just no way they’re worth more than a top-20 prospect like JT or Freddie.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 23, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Or that teams with a wide array of needs...
like the Orioles or Mariners, couldn’t see a beneficial package including more than one of Minor, Bethancourt, Schafer, Hoover, Lopez, Mycal Jones, Pastornicky, EOF, Dunn, Ortegano, Beachy, Randall Delgado, Caleb Brewer, Carlos Perez, among others, couldn’t get it done. I’m not saying we should make those deals either without knowing what we’d have to give up. I’m just saying we’ve got plenty of pieces from top to bottom to make a move for a high level player if we want to, and not just focus on the media mentioned market of Hart, Guillen, Bautista, Dunn, Willingham, Uggla, etc.
Yeah, if you put enough players together...
…you might make a package that could get Jones or Gutierrez. But it would have to be led by a Teheran or Freeman (our two most valuable minor leaguers) and contain about two more good prospect types—-i.e. Minor, Bethancourt, Delgado, Scafer and then two more lesser prospects like the other guys you mentioned. And if we are going to do that, you might as well go after a Teixeira type.
Think about if the Braves were not contending and a contender needed a second baseman—-how much would you want for Prado? He’s probably a pretty good comp for those two.
Teheran AND Minor???
That is crazy. Just crazy. Jones and Gutierrez are not worth NEARLY that much. And I’m not one who overvalues prospects, either. You are extremely UNDER-valuing our top prospects.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 23, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
One of those guys doesn't do it.
It just doesn’t. Remember to compare to Prado. If you wouldn’t give up Prado for a guy, it won’t work. You are overvaluing prospects if you think you could get Jones or Gutierrez straight up for Teheran or Jones.
And the media mentioned market...
…is the media mentioned market for a reason—-those are the guys who it makes sense for non-contending teams to trade.
You are just wrong there, pacgnosis.
Teheran is a great prospect. Freeman is a good to great prospect. Gutierrez, Jones, and Prado are young, cheap players who have produced in the major leagues. They are like good to great prospects who have added to that value by showing they can do it in the majors. All three of those are definitely more valuable than Teheran and Freeman. I am sure the Oriole and Mariners would be thrilled to hear that we had Teheran and Freeman available for trade, but they would stop listening when we asked for Gutierrez or Jones. Gutierrez and Jones are the guys they are trying to build around, not the guys they are moving—-to do that for prospects just means resetting the rebuilding process over again.
Teams have traditionally overvalued prospects based on potential. A lot of times you see teams give up proven Major Leaguers for unproven Minor Leaguers, so pointing out that those guys are young and proven doesn’t mean much, since, throughout recent history, teams have been willing to take that gamble.
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and the reason that they do
is that their scouts tell them that the player is worth it, and if the scouts are right they have young talent that is easily cost controlled for a number of years.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 23, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
Have you looked at Jones’ or Gutierrez’s numbers? These are not difference-making players. Teheran certainly is a strong candidate to be a difference maker. Those guys don’t grow on trees and should certainly not be traded for anyone less than a consistent all-star caliber player. I.e., not those guys.
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by Jacob Peterson on Jul 23, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I have looked at their numbers--and not just this year's, which I think makes a difference.
They have no become superstars yet, but they have had solid seasons and both are very good defensive center fielders with big hitting upside. They are also young and cheap. Teheran is a great young pitching prospect. He could be a stud. He could also blow out his arm on any pitch just like any pitching prospect. As for comparing Freeman—-remember he projects as a first baseman with moderate power, good average and only average patience. That actually resembles what Jones and Gutierrez are already, and they play at a tougher defensive position. Just won’t happen. If it would, we’d do it in a heartbeat. Teheran’s great, but we have tons of pitching.
Gutierrez I love
though he’s hardly a “big bat”; he would help us defensively but not offensively.
I don’t particularly want Jones (not for what it’d take, anyway). Young I definitely do not want, given his contract and crazy K rates.
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by Jacob Peterson on Jul 23, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
How would his bat play outside of Safeco?...
Could he be a 30-40 double, 20/20 type here? That;s better production than we’ve gotten from our current batch of LF and CF.
League average bat
08 wRC: 108
09 wRC: 101
Career wRC: 99
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by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Jul 23, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally i'd love to get a Hart or Bautista
but its more likely we get a lower level OFer like Ross
Jason Heyward...great guy
agreed
Team doesn’t need tweaking. We’ve got a 7 game lead, have hit well, pitched well, and have a deep and versatile bench. I just simply don’t think there’s a guy out there that is the magic bullet. If you want to make the team better, get another right handed power arm for the pen.
We aren’t talking Carlos Beltran to the Astros type players…a guy that takes his team from good to great. There’s a bunch of low-in-the-order outfielders available, most of whom people are expecting to collapse at any minute. Look at a guy’s baseball card. Is the limited production boost worth the fact that he will eventually go back to his career numbers?
The Braves are in a position to be a very good team for the next 10 years. We have some great pitching in the minor leagues. Keep that core together. Don’t trade another Adam Wainwright for another JD Drew, please. Keep our talented pitching, pass on the mediocre outfielders.
Put the lotion in the basket!
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 23, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions
Are you suggesting we trade for Buffalo Bill?
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 26, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
If we aren't going to get an impact guy,
I really don’t see the point of making another move. The Hinske/Diaz platoon in LF is adequate, and Melky won’t kill us if we leave him in CF. With Heyward raking, there’s no real need to make a trade unless we can get a significant upgrade over Melky in CF.
Or… Thinking outside the box here. What if we made a trade for an impact 1B? That’s a position that we haven’t talked about much, but I definitely feel like we can get more from that position. What about Glaus + a mid-level prospect (Hoover?) for Adam Dunn? They’re both bad defensively (Dunn is probably worse), and they’re both free agents at the end of the season. I feel like that would be a huge upgrade to the lineup though.
(hunkers down to withstand the hate)
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
I like it but the Nats would probably want a younger player instead of Glaus.
I fed a fish to a pelican and Frisco bay and he tried to eat my cell phone he ran away
Hence the prospect(s).
As I said below, Glaus is only in the deal out of necessity for both sides (Nats need a placeholder 1B, Braves need to open a spot for Dunn).
Clearly I should have made that clearer in the original post.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 23, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I got you, just think other teams (CHW) would be willing to offer more. Don’t see why they need an established placeholder at 1B. They must have some AAAA 1B in the system.
I fed a fish to a pelican and Frisco bay and he tried to eat my cell phone he ran away
They have a prospect at 1B...
…in Marrero and a placeholder already in the majors in Morse. They would not need Glaus, nor give us any value for him. Which means the deal pagnosis proposed would be a middle level prospect like Hoover (and he’s a C prospect) for Dunn. Washington would laugh at us and make snippy internet posts about us.
Ha!
One day he is a glausosauras and the next day he is trade bait! We laugh with disdain at the trash you offer for the Dunner!
[does that qualify as a snippy internet post?]
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
by souldrummer on Jul 24, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
With Glaus falling off of late...
that’s an interesting idea, and I kind of like it. It makes us extremely lefty heavy with Dunn, McCann, and Heyward as the main mashers and Chipper historically better from the left, but it’s an interesting thought.
I’ve posted enough that I assume you know my thoughts on making a marginal improvement (since we’ve got players that can/have produced similar if not more than Hart, Bautista, Ross, etc) and definitely agree that we should target significant upgrades instead.
If the Braves are going to do that
why not go bigger (literally and figuratively) and get the Prince? To be honest, I don’t really like the guy, but that is pretty much the definition of an impact bat. That way the Braves can, at a minimum, collect draft picks for him at the end of the season.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 23, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate that guy
1) He’s fat
2) He has a everybody is out to get me attitude
3) Bobby would slap him within a week
4) To emotional and has reactions of a child
5) He’s fat
I hate fat rich people. You make millions of dollars. Pay a nutritionist and lose some weight. If not you’ll die in your fifties like all the other fatties in the world. Seriously, there is no excuse to be fat when you make millions. Old Cecil was half of Prince at his age. The dude obviously doesn’t take the game that serious or he would look at his professional longevity and realize that he needs to lose 50-80 pounds to be what he thinks he is. Imagine if the guy lost 50lbs? He would be twice the ball player. Instead he has angry outburst every month from low blood sugar.
Same goes for teh Panda
The guy won’t be in the league in 5 years. There are always exceptions to this rule but name 10 players that are Pandas size at his age that were in the league more than 10 years and were starters? Can’t use Cecil either because the guy was not fat for the first few years he was in the league.
I keep agreeing with you regarding trades...
…and here you go calling me a horrible person (okay, I am not rich, but I am comfortable). Geez. I can’t wait until you get old and fat, lol. But hey you inspired me, I think I am going to get up and go to the gym. (Okay, I was going anyway, and I always go twice a week barring emergencies, but it sounded better.)
FWIW, I am leery of overweight players, but I do like them; it makes me think I coulda been a contender. And hell, you gotta root for anyone with the nickname Kung Fu Panda. As for Fielder—-he could lose some weight, but it would be very tough—-he is obviously genetically predisposed towards obesity. The people who I hate (like you hate fat rich people) are those who have great metabolisms and eat what they want and not exercise much and still stay in great shape then complain about fat people because they think geez, it is too easy to stay in shape, when really it is just too easy for them.
Wow. Random angry tirade. I guess your metabolism must be awesome. Good for you.
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Mine used to be too
That changes as you get older… and I am still pretty young.
My point about Fielder is that he is an impact bat. And he is. I don’t think he is any type of clubhouse cancer, though I tend to doubt the affect such things as attitude have on a team’s performance anyway. After all, Bonds legitimately was as much a clubhouse cancer as there can be, but his teams did just fine.
Anyhow, Prince’s genetics are of course in play here. I am leary of the body, but we are talking about renting him for the second half of the season anyway. He isn’t going to breakdown that fast.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 23, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
What a douchebag you are
Low blood sugar? Ever think he’s just a jerk? Hate to break it to you, but Skinny people can be asses too. Money does not automatically change your habits and or health conditions.
What about the skinny people who die early or the fat people who love long. It’s not as black & white as you’re making it. Cox is fat, you hate him too?
That is also a possibility...
Though I didn’t want to mention it because I’ve seen the venom around here toward him (presumably b/c he’s fat, though some people think he’s a jerk despite not having any evidence to support that assumption).
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 23, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You realize that idea is insane, right?
You are whiffing badly here—-or more likely just making a big mess. Dunn may be available if the Nats can’t come to a long term deal with him, and they may well not be able to do that. However, unless the Nats are just stupid beyond belief, the package for him would have to be centered around good prospects, not Troy Glaus. If the Nats move Dunn, that is the white flag on this season—-what good would Glaus do them for next year? None at all since he isn’t signed. Therefore, Glaus has no value to them whatsoever. And from all the indications, the Nats want a king’s ransom for Dunn—-they reportedly refused Daniel Hudson or Viciendo from the White Sox and insisted on Gordan Beckham at which point talks broke down. I don’t know what they would want from us, but it would be Freeman or Teheran at a minimum, I am sure, and that is too much since we already have Glaus.
They are shopping Dunn.
They would be stupid not to trade him, too. He’s a free agent, as I said, and they are going nowhere this year. They SHOULD run up the white flag.
Glaus is not meant to be the center of the package, he is just a necessary piece because they’d need a 1B for the rest of the year and we wouldn’t have a spot for Glaus if we got Dunn. The centerpiece would be the prospect or two we’d add in.
But let’s be serious, Dunn shouldn’t require a lot of talent in return. He’s a FA after the year who plays poor defense. Do you really think 2 months of Dunn is worth more than a good prospect (like Hoover) or maybe two good prospects of that ilk? That kind of rental is certainly not worth an elite prospect.
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by Jacob Peterson on Jul 23, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Also,
they are talking about trading Dunn now then signing him in the off-season, in which case a trade like this makes perfect sense, since they get a placeholder 1B who they won’t be tied to long-term.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 23, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The prospect you suggested was Hoover.
That isn’t a centerpiece for a Dunn trade, sorry. The White Sox have offered much better (Daniel Hudson or Dayan Viciendo) and been turned down cold. That just wouldn’t work. And it shouldn’t—-the White Sox should give up more for him—-we are just upgrading from Glaus, they are upgrading from a black hole of nothingness—and don’t have to deal with his defense.
Why would the Nationals want Troy Glaus?
Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward.
by Scott Coleman on Jul 23, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, they don't really.
But we’d have to include him in a trade for a 1B.
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by Jacob Peterson on Jul 23, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
ya it would be so pointless
to go after a guy like Cody Ross. I mean sure he’s an upgrade over McClouth, but hell a TWIG is an upgrade over mcclouth right now. I’d really like a guy like Willingham as he goes with the Braves team with the high walk rate, good AB’s and etc. But i say if you can’t get Willingham, or i suppose Hart (reasonably) then i say save the $ and prospects and go after a guy like Carl Crawford for LF next year
The Yankees have lost Andy and have the inconsistencies of AJ to deal with...
how about Derek Lowe, Kenshin Kawakami, Chris Resop and Christian Bethancourt for Javier Vazquez and Chad Gaudin.
The Yanees get two starting pitchers for one, essentially replacing Vazquez with Lowe and adding Kawakami as a starter, and potentially another in Resop (or at least a bullpen arm under team control). They also receive a top catching prospect which they need in their system to replace Posada.
The Braves replace Lowe with Vazquez, but MORE IMPORTANTLY, remove by Derek’s and Kawakami’s contracts from the books next year. Gaudin replaces Kawakami in the bullpen.
by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 23, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions
Ummm, that wouldn't happen.
The Yankees don’t tend to be that stupid. Nobody will take Lowe’s contract. It just won’t happen. And certainly not where we unload Kawakami’s contract (although it isn’t too bad), and actually get talent in return. Basically you are suggesting that we trade: Lowe (serious negative value), Kawakami (more or less no value given the contract), Resop (marginal value at best), and Bethancourt (single A prospect at the one position that the Yankees have a ton of prospects at) for Vazquez who has positive value and Chad Gaudin who has more or less no value. While I would love for us to get Javy and Chad (Javy b/c he is good, Chad b/c I know him), the Yankees would probably put on call block for offering that.
why would NYY want Bethancourt?
they have one of the top catchers in baseball in 2-3 years
Jason Heyward...great guy
Montero probably won't stick at catcher...
…but they have another good catching prospect behind him. The last thing they need is a catching prospect.
Braves should trade for Kyle Farnsworth. We really don’t have a position for any impact bat to play.
The problem is while our bullpen has been great our backend guys are old and somewhat fragile. Farnsworth has backend experience and could come in to limit Wagner’s and Saito’s innings a little bit in August and September.
Do you think that maybe the braves could get Jose Bautista with less of a cost since they worked out the Gonzo-Escobar trade well? The Braves had to establish a good business relationship with the Blue Jays to convince them to give up so much for so little? I still don’t know how the Braves convinced the Jays that there was any value in Reyes.
Ummmmm
I am not sure what you mean about the Blue Jays giving up so much for so little in the Escobar trade—-while I think it was a good deal for both sides, the benefit to the Braves was ridding themselve of the clubhouse cancer, not improved talent. Escobar, while struggling this year, is under team control and has produced very well offensively and defensively at SS. The Blue Jays won the talent portion, we won the less headaches portion. (And with Edwin Encarnacion on the same side of the infield, the Blue Jay headache quotient might be off the charts now, lol.)
As for Bautista, he can probably be had relatively cheaply, although that is because he really isn’t any good.
Think about it.
I don’t understand how you think he really isn’t any good. He has 26 home runs and 64 RBIs this season, he can play right field, maybe left field, and possibly third base. Even though he’s just hitting .238, that means he’s getting a lot of opportunites this season. He’s only struck out 20 more times than he has walked.
Have you looked past this year's numbers?
Remember, career performance is a much better indicator of second half performance than first half performance is. In his career, even including this year, he has had 2437 plate appearances and put up a line of .238/.333/.422 (.756 OPS). He’s had decent power, but not this kind of power. The power he has shown this year isn’t real, the poor batting average is. He’s versitle and a solid utility guy, but not a huge upgrade anywhere. If we had signed him in the off-season, it would have been greeted with a giant yawn—-don’t get caught buying into a temporary power spike. Sure, he could keep it up this year, but it isn’t particularly likely.
what about chris heisey?
he’s put up pretty good numbers this year, even though you could say SSS. it’s not like the reds are playing him, anyway. could a ML-ready reliever + 2 B-level prospects get it done? the reds are looking for BP help and they are pretty much set in the OF.
ha, ive been touting this guy for a few weeks now.
hes perfect for us. also he would come alot cheaper then the other guys with alot more upside then any of them.
Curious what it would take for us to get Oswalt? Podsednik?
I love our pitching staff, but I’m just not sure how confident I am with them in the playoffs. Who would be our number 2-3 starter behind Hudson? Jair and Tommy have no big game or playoff experience, and I’m not real confident in Lowe. I’m just curious to see what people think we would have to give up to get Oswalt? and whether Podsednik would be a better option than Ross?
Why is big game playoff experience important
Steve Avery didn’t either. He fared just fine. Good pitching is good pitching, and while it is true some guys perform exceptionally well or poorly in high pressure situations, I would be willing to take my chances with guys like Jurrjens and Hanson. They both have the goods to deliver. A 3 man rotation is all that is necessary in October, move Lowe and Medlen along with KK, Saito, and Wagner into the pen, and watch the Braves shut teams down.
Podsednik isn’t really a better option than anyone.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 23, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Oswalt won't happen---
because of money alone. Why add tons of salary for more pitching when we already have tons? It doesn’t make sense. Wren has already said we aren’t going to be shopping in the pitching aisle, and that makes perfect sense.
As for Podsednik, he’s not a very good player. We could probably get him cheapish, but what is the point of getting another mediocre outfielder? Don’t we have enough already? I mean, he is having a pretty good year for him this year and his OPS+ is still under 100, which is really bad because he’s more of a left fielder than a center fielder. And, yes, he is fast, but he gets caught stealing so much, his stolen base attempts are actually a net negative.
if you can include kawkami or lowe (kick some money houston’s way) to offset oswalt’s cost then I say it’s something to look into. Something centered around Delgado then
by McCann's the Man on Jul 23, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The Astros want too much, Oswalt wants too much.
The Astros have stated they want two top prospects, plus a third good prospect, plus a young major league ready player for Oswalt, and they don’t want to eat salary. Oswalt has said that he want’s his $16 million option for 2012 picked up in any trade (and he has a no-trade, so he has a say in it). The Astros might take Kawakami back, but they would never take Lowe (Lowe’s contract is simply unmoveable—we tried in the off-season and it was unmoveable then; Lowe’s performance this year has not changed that.). Teams who need pitching will offer far more because we’re not desperate for him.
True. But he’s also said the option won’t be a deal breaker. The long and the short of it is, he doesn’t want to play in Philadelphia. He has said he’d like to play in Atlanta. Additionally, and I’m not sure when it would happen, but Chipper probably isn’t going to play through 2012, so that salary is coming off the books at some point.
If you are looking at the playoffs, Oswalt makes a lot more sense than some overpriced outfielder. A dominant 1-2 punch in the playoffs can be deadly. I love our starting pitching, but man they have been inconsistent at times. You are going to need dominant pitching to beat the Yankees, not just good pitching.
I also think we have the pieces. I think Medlen is still a “top prospect” as he’d be a #3 starter in most other NL rotations. Certainly we have the young arms in the minors.
Podsednik
is just about the worst OF option you could possibly think of aside from FYF. I don’t want him at any price.
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by Jacob Peterson on Jul 23, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope
I agree… I guess I would just rather see us get him as to see him go to the Cards because that pitching staff would be hard to beat in the playoffs. Podsednik’s not great by any means I would just rather have him and his experience compared to Ross if he is someone we are legitimately considering.
Do Nothing
and wait on McClouth to get it going. Diaz and Heyward are back!!!! Pen and Rotation is Deep.
Chipper starts lighting it up and were golden. Were not the Yankees but were NL Pennant good.
(1) McLouth is his name. (2) I really think he may have the hitters’ version of Steve Blass disease and may never again get it going; and that the Braves would do well to salary dump him in return for literally anything at all.
Kind of reminds me of Marcus Giles too
one year could hit, next year he couldn’t…
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 26, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i love trade scenarios...
bj upton really comes to mind. many think he’s worn out his Ray’s welcome and he is an exceptional defender who’s been an exceptional offensive centerfielder in the past. he has a career .375 obp against lhp and could probably be had for no more than melky+dunn+mid-level prospect. tampa has absolutely no left handed option in the pen and melky could serve as their 4th outfielder with zobrist moving to center (which has been talked about numerous times by the Ray’s blogging community), moving joyce to right.
other players i wouldnt mind seeing the braves go after:
1. dexter fowler (would be exciting to see 2 local 6’4" black outfielders side by side for years to come).
2. the obvious…cody ross: he tears up lhp to a tune of a .951 career ops
My opinion cant be wrong. It's my opinion. Those who don't like it can piss up a rope.
I think that's a summer trad
BJ isn’t moving right now unless the Rays receive something back that will immediately impact their playoff chase. BJ is also insurance in case Carl Crawford walks this winter. They really don’t have anyone left except for Zobrist and prospect Jennings. So they trade you mentioned above is perfect Melky (cheap realiable), LH Pen Arm, and another prospect but it might not take that. The rays are going to have serious holes next year at 1B, CF, LF, 2B and they will be losing almost all impact bats except for Longoria. In short, they will have tons of other problems to worry about besides BJ.
BJ Upton is an interesting possibility, but...
…he won’t be as cheap as you think (for starters, someone else would give more), and it might be tough because our biggest surplus/trading chip is SP prospects, and Tampa might be the one team with as many or more of them than we have. (Well, Tampa, Texas, and Kansas City.)
Dexter Fowler is still under team control in Colorado, he isn’t going anywhere. He does also tear up lefties—-but he can’t hit righties. He just started switch-hitting as a pro and he just isn’t that good from the left side yet.
BJ
Won’t be cheap because their depth in OF will be non existent next year. Upton, Zobrist, Joyce, and Jennings. Basically, Zobrist and prospects as Upton has been horrible for two years now. Plus they will need either a 1b, pen arm, 2b, middle infield depth, or long term solution in OF for when Crawford walks. I think they will ask for Freeman but we all know Upton isn’t worth that.
Melky,
Venters
O Flat (throw in)
Diaz
Schafer
Prado
Bethancourt
Dunn
All our top SP prospects
would be the only guys they would be interested in not named Heyward.
I am not sure they'd be interested in Schafer.
Given the way he has performed, his value is way down. I agree; Upton isn’t going to happen.
The Braves just traded a lazy headcase in Escobar, why would they go pick up another one in BJ?
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Exactly.
Trading for Upton would likely take too much talent, and would also basically undo all the benefits of the Escobar trade. Why bother?
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 23, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That is obvious cbwilk....
…every guy likes a BJ!
ouch
That wall collision looked ugly. Man, the Royals really can’t catch a break. DeJesus could have fetched some prospects to work with. Dayton Moore is probably pissed.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 23, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Should have traded him sooner.
Way too many out-of-contention teams wait too long to trade guys. I like what the Mariners did, getting rid of Lee earlier so they could get a bigger return. Same with McLouth and the Pirates last year. Waiting until July 31st only makes sense if your team might be competitive for the playoffs; if you’re way out, you should trade ASAP.
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by Jacob Peterson on Jul 23, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
depends
its one of those things about the market. Often teams have to wait because teams are targeting other players first. DeJesus probably wasn’t the top trade target in the OF. It’s easy with Cliff Lee, he is top priority for any team looking for pitching. Teams wanted to get starts out of him as soon as possible, and the rest of the pitching market was pretty much waiting on him. DeJesus is another story. Apples and oranges there.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 24, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Kinda out there
But why not go for Brett Gardner?
The need starting pitching help, bullpen help and utility/bench help.
We could offer up Lowe and Hicks and someone else to help them compensate for their loss in LF.
Or we could help them in a 3 way deal where we give them a pitching prospect or two that would help them get someone like Dan Haren and we get Gardner
Gardner is another...
…young, cheap, good player. They don’t come cheaply.
i doubt it.
although im not sure i wouldn’t have minded Gardner for Javy the way the kid has been playing
by drumzalicious on Jul 25, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Crazy enough idea but...
With DeJesus being done for the year, and Ankiel having to start for KC:
Lowe + Melky/McLouth + low prospect (Schaefer even at this point?) for Greinke. Prevents Philly from coughing up the farm and snagging him and we add an AL Cy Young winner. We can spare an outfielder easily the way Blanco has played.
not to mention the idea of your top 4 for the next several years being Hanson, Jurrjens, Medlen, and Greinke in any order is about as rosterbatory as you can get heh
by GT_Thrashfan on Jul 23, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
to get greinke
we’d have to give up
Minor, Teheran/Delgado, Freeman, Kimbrel, and Bethancourt
by drumzalicious on Jul 24, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
not a chance
to give up 5 roster caliber players and get only 1 back? i call bs, try again with that fantasizing
maybe add Dunn to my suggestion to guarantee we get him but still even then…
by GT_Thrashfan on Jul 24, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
A scenario that has the Royals taking on a pitcher who makes 15 million a year, and isn’t even as close to as good as the pitcher they’re trading away, who makes less (13.5 million), and one of our weak hitting outfielders who makes millions of dollars, and a “low” prospect, which really means one with little value, in exchange for one of the top pitchers in the league is just laughable. Even if you “maybe add Dunn” this trade is so far in favor of the Braves that it’s not even worth having written. Why give them anything? Why not just pass them a crisp 1 dollar bill for their ace? When in baseball history has a player as good as Grienke been traded for the kind of package you proposed? When?
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Hence the point of confining it all into this one place...
that, and I’ve gotten a lot better at just keep on hitting “z” if I don’t recognize the name or it is one that is constant crap.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 24, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
z button
friend to millions. SBNation without the z is like the Braves without Heyward.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
by souldrummer on Jul 24, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I just hate that people see the term rosterbation and think it’s carte blanche to leave their brain at the door.
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Some believe playstation trades work in real life...
some just don’t know what they’re talking about. It’s all bullshii anyway.
I think Wren could do damn near anything. He could pull another like Escobar, dealing someone (KKfrom the 25 man off and getting good prospects in return. He could make the expected move of something for Ross or Willingham or Hart. He could surprise us all and make a move for an unexpected big time addition. I’m hoping it’s the latter personally if something isn’t too unreasonable. We’ve got pieces to make any sort of deal that strikes Wren’s fancy; starting pitching, left handed relief, bench player, major league ready starters, near ready pitching in all forms, high upside pitching in all forms, solid position prospects at C, 1B, IF, and OF (some better than others obviously, and pitching better and deeper than positions, but we’ve got respectable prospects at all positions). As unlikely as it is, we do have the minor league pieces to make a splash and add a McCutcheon or Guitierrez or Braun (yeah, it might cost some combination of our top 5 prospects, or Medlen, Jurrjens, Hanson, etc; but if Wren WANTED to do that deal, he has the ammo). We’ve got the major league starting pitching to just add prospects. We can do damn near anything. Obvious needs are an impact hitter that can play in the OF, but he can think short and long term with the diversity of talent and immediate desire to send Bobby, Chipper, Wagner out champs.
That’s a long way of saying, we know he’ll do something, but what is anyone’s guess. And yeah, some people’s guesses make less sense than others. I’d like to make a move for a big time young right handed CF/LF, provided we can keep Teheran and Freeman (maybe include Medlen) but we’ll see in a week.
we know he’ll do something
Really?! IMO, standing pat is a significant possibility. Of course, now that FW went on record (w/ DOB) saying he just is not going to trade any of our top pitching prospects, I’m thinking that means in reality that he just may.
If you take it through the absolute deadline of the end of August...
I’d damn near guarantee he does SOMETHING, be it with McLouth, or a P, or adding an OF, but he’ll make a deal.
You’re probably right.
We are in the grab the chance for glory / win it this year mode. And after all, that is what its all about and a GM never knows whether the given year isn’t really the best chance the team is going to have in the near or foreseeable future.
Also, FW’s history (as well as that of his mentor, JS) has been been to go for it, nearly every time.
Both drum and GT are exaggeratting...
somewhere between the two could work. We’d have to give up Delgado or Teheran (or perhaps just pair Minor with Rob Lopez) in all likelihood, but not that pack of 5.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 24, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
yea
that sounds about right. Two 5 star prospects and three 4 star prospects for an ace under CHEAP team control for a few years. Look at what the Rangers gave up for a few months of Cliff Lee who is older and a FA at the end of the year.
To be honest I dont think that package even gets Grienke. We’d prob have to give up Medlen or Jurrjens on top of that package to get him.
by drumzalicious on Jul 24, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
The Rangers gave up one stud--Smoak...
and some decent but not great players. Not a quintet of potential stars. I’d agree his offer was way to low, but yours was way too much.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 24, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
to get
a legitimate ace that is cheaper than every other pitcher in his ranking by a long shot i dont think it’s too much. I didnt say i would give it up but thats probably what it would take for KC to move him
by drumzalicious on Jul 25, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree it would probably take that much to get him. The Royals are very unlikely to trade him because no team is going to offer that much.
I’m not completely sold that Greinke is worth that much anyway. He was great last year but he has struggled more this year. It probably had something to do with him feeling he had to be perfect every time but he hasn’t been as good as last year.
i think
if you get him off a team that has such terrible offensive support when he’s on the mound he will be able to relax a little more
by drumzalicious on Jul 26, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
3 team trade
Braves lose: Troy Glaus
Rangers lose: Prospects
Nationals lose: Adam Dunn
Braves gain: Adam Dunn
Rangers gain: Troy Glaus
Nationals gain: Prospects
Do the Rangers have any prospects that Washington would want? They lost Smoak and others in the Lee deal.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 24, 2010 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, tons...
Tanner Scheppers, Martin Perez, etc. If I’m not mistaken, the Rangers, Rays, and Braves are in just about everyone’s top 5 farms, so they got a lot more than just Smoak and what they gave up in the Lee deal.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 24, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
If the Rangers have the prospects to get Washington to give up Adam Dunn … then why wouldn’t they just use them to trade for Adam Dunn?
Because everyone wants to help the Braves win the WS for Bobby!
"Give him the heater Ricky."
Meh...
like Escobar, Glaus can only be moved if we get a starting caliber at his position in return. I doubt they’re willing to hand 1B to Prado, Hinske, or Freeman at this time.
But while Glaus was the man in May, his numbers in June fell back a bit, and July has been abysmal.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 24, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
ummmmm
not true. i’m sure there are some teams that would use him.
Pirates could. Royals could as well. Baltimore and, I bet, Boston.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 27, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Neither do I,...
but he could fit their where they want a RH 1B to work with Chris Davis, or maybe Tampa who wants a DH type. Not saying we should trade him or expect to trade him, but I could see those two being interested in Troy, among others. And his salary the rest of the way is pretty minimal.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 27, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Texas
does seem to be fed up with Chris Davis.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 27, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep...
doesn’t mean we are sending out Troy, just there are probable landing spots if we wanted to do so.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 27, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
just commenting on the state of Texas and Chris Davis as it pertains to the question at hand.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 27, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
this crap is very frustrating. Troy’s a good player who has done well for us.
the OBVIOUS point , however, is we don’t want to trade him – since we need his bat in the lineup – and regardless there’s no good reason to trade him, because we couldn’t get much for him anyway, because he’s an impending FA.
and because he has a sub 800 OPS at 1B
and is most likely a below average fielder
by kbertling353 on Jul 27, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Angels
heard Derek Lee of the cubs rejected a trade proposal to the angels. Angels are looking for a replacement for first base while Kendry Morales is injured.
Also, a trade spot might be opened up since Chris Coghlan of the Marlins is injured. Maybe that might open the door for a Cody Ross trade since we could give them a left fielder to take Coghlan’s place. Or just leave them out to dry without a left fielder.
You give me a mets fan, and after chipper and heyward take him out in the back alley he'll want to cheer for the Braves.
huh?
Glaus’ numbers have been fine. I guess people dont notice the below career BAbip . . . .
by drumzalicious on Jul 28, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Results matter...
May—.330/.408/..534 6 HR
June -.237/.364/.505 6 HR-.197/.342/.262 0 HR
July
He is struggling the last month or so, and could probably use a DL stint to get heal up his legs.
BAbip
April .245
May .359
June .246
July .245
Career .281
I think he’ll be fine and that he is just having a down month.
by drumzalicious on Jul 28, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
But see June vs. July...
almost identical babip, but extremely different avg and especially slg. Personally, I think his legs are a bigger problem than he’s admitting.
but are you advocating a trade or dumping of Troy? Lots of back and forth on this – but originally the proposed move was a 3 way double flip to rid ourselves of Troy and net Dunn, which I suggested wouldn’t work.
We need an additional righted handed big stick, not to trade away the only one we have.
That's not a realistic trade...
and my position is that Troy needs a nice 2 weeks on the DL to get his refresh his injured legs, and that he has been struggling badly the last several weeks.
I think
the team will wait a few weeks. If Troy is not going well we could see him go to the DL and Freeman promoted.
by drumzalicious on Jul 28, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
we want to make our super LH lineup MORE lefty dominated…
that makes sense if we want to win
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 27, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions
95% of the trades in this thread hurt my head
August 1st can’t get here soon enough.
Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward.
Where interesting and funny?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 25, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I want Jose Bautista
And yes, I think he is for real.
They give:
Bautista
We give:
Delgado
Schafer
Dunn
The only time the Mets win is in the offseason.
you're willing to give Delgado for Bautista who is having the season of his life? no way.
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Jul 24, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
let alone Schafer, who could still become a top CF one day, and Dunn, who’s a solid lefty for us.
Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward.
by Scott Coleman on Jul 24, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I have given up on Schafer.
I can’t believe most people still think he will go on to have a successful career. He just hasn’t been the same player since the HGH bust. In fact, he has gotten progressively worse.
And as for Delgado, I just see him as a trade chip. With all the pitching depth we have, we can afford to trade some of those guys.
The only time the Mets win is in the offseason.
but for Jose Bautista? No thanks.
Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward.
by Scott Coleman on Jul 24, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he has gotten progressively worse after fracturing his wrist.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 25, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I am souring on Schafer...
…but Delgado is far too much for a one year wonder who has had an entirey mediocre career. Any reason you think Bautista is for real other than blind faith? And even if he is, why give them Delgado when we could get Bautista for less?
I disagree with the trade
but agree whole-heartedly on Schafer. The HGH thing wasn’t the end, it was the wrist injury. He never came back from it. I was afraid of that. Most scouts that I have read on the subject say his ceiling is now that of a 4th OFer.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 26, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
are you kidding me???
when he first got back it was said his wrist wont be at full strength till about halfway through next season. Meaning all of those line drives that would usually go over the infielders heads for singles and all those rocket shots to the gaps have become soft infield liners and outfield pop ups.
give him time people sheesh
by drumzalicious on Jul 28, 2010 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions
He never came back from it.
It’s been 2 damn months.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2010 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions
It's been...
…a year and three months since the injury. His playing with it for two months obviously did not help the process. But these injuries are tough on hitters. Some take a while to recover, some never recover fully. Time will tell.
I meant, he has been back on the field for about 2 months.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
He hasn't come back from it
that is where he is at. I didn’t say he never will, but scouts are saying his ceiling is that of a 4th OFer right now in part because of the wrist injury. I know wrist injuries are hard to come back from. I said it all off-season. I know they take time. I listen to the scouts. That’s all. Don’t bite my head off…
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 28, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
There were scouts saying that about him before he ever went up, so I’m sure all this hasn’t caused those same scouts to change their opinion. I’m sure there are still scouts who believe he’ll bounce back and be fine.
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Perhaps there are, though I haven’t read any of late. Either way, he isn’t going to be in Atlanta anytime soon. Last year it would have been crazy to think, but now there is a chance he never makes it, and even if he does there is an increased chance due to injury that he will never max out on his potential. That’s where he is at right now. I don’t like it either.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 28, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, yeah, things obviously aren’t going well. I just thought it was worth pointing out that there were always people who didn’t believe in Schafer’s ability.
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Which, in my mind, is further reason to wonder whether he ever will be the player we all hoped he would be. As I recall, the question was always whether or not he would be able to hit for any power in the majors. Wrist injuries, if nothing else, take away power.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 28, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
there was also concern of how well he could hit lefties...
but let’s see how he does over the next few weeks in Mississippi. Maybe he can bounce back.
Well, I never turned 30 yet either – the fact that I have not had enough time to do so is apparently irrelevant.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
dude
very different.
You are speaking like I am not willing to give him a chance. He has a chance. But he may never reach his potential. The wrist injury hurts his chances.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 28, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You said “He never came back from it” like it was a done deal and written history. That doesn’t sound much like you are giving him a chance.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess
my choice of words was wrong. However, I am not sure he will come back from it. He sustained the exact wrong type of injury for a player who already had questions about his power.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 28, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I am trying to, but time is slowing me down!
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
scouts say shit about shinola. and sometimes they are even right.
a pronouncement, “scouts say …” just pisses me off everytime.
Hey
Read the scouts. I try to read and learn as much as I can. Reading stuff from Keith Law and Kevin Goldstein, etc. can only enhance my understanding of the game. As can looking at the stats and using numbers. Fangraphs is probably one of the sites I use the most.
Scouts that I have read have said that they think Schafer may be a 4th OFer. Could they be wrong. Of course. Scouts didn’t even really rank Martin Prado as I recall. I’m not using it as a blanket statement, but with something like this I think there is certainly knowledge to be gleaned.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 28, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh? Why can’t you go find it yourself?
by dunnytwogloves on Jul 28, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t care enough to find it for you.
by dunnytwogloves on Jul 30, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
For everyone who proposes a trade
Think about where that player is going to play. Only one of the OF’ers mentioned can play CF (Ross). Heyward is not moving from RF. If you trade for a LF’er where do you move Diaz and Hinske. They are forming a good platoon in LF. McLouth has been hitting the ball alright since coming back, he’s just been unlucky in that there being caught. McLouth will probably make starts only against RH starters and Cabrera will start against lefties.
Bautista only plays RF and 3B. He has played in 55 games in LF over 4 seasons. Not only that but I really wouldn’t give up much for a guy who’s hitting .238. Hart is another guy that’s been rumored but he is another RF.
He might be. The Cubs aren’t going anywhere this year and Byrd has been one of the few players who has hit well all season for them. It might take a lot to get him though. He’s in the first year of a 3 year $15M deal, but if he became available he would be a good catch.
I admit it...
… I wanted no part of him in the off-season, but he’s been solid for the Cubs.
"I don't think there's any greater free-swinger in the game than Jeff Francoeur" - Tim McCarver, 4/17/2010
Same
I thought he would be the same thing that Gary Mathews Jr. was.
I didn't think it would be that bad
but I am surprised at how well he has done. Still don’t think he is real, but I have no idea what to think of him anymore.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 26, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Byrd
May be available. Watching MLBN, they just said the Cubs are sellers.
Washington Tribune, June 29 2010 – "The stonecutters carving Stephen Strasburg’s name onto the Washington Monument have been directed to await further instructions."
I don’t really understand how trading for Marlon Byrd would that different (or preferable) to trading for Bautista.
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by GeneParmesan on Jul 28, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He plays CF. After this year, will probably be making less, and it wouldn’t take as much to net Byrd.
why wouldn’t it take as much? dude was an all-star, and is having a great season. then again, these are the same cubs that practically gave away will ohman and omar infante…
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by GeneParmesan on Jul 29, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
let's get ICHIRO!
the never gonna happen trade, but my friend’s barber heard this in between the snip of his sheers…
randal delgado
michael dunn
kenshin kawakami
nate mclouth
for ichiro!
My opinion cant be wrong. It's my opinion. Those who don't like it can piss up a rope.
Magglio Ordonez?
Anyone notice the news that his option won’t vest with his current injury? He could be an interesting option in the off-season if some of the bigger names are too expensive.
depending on what he wants, I’d definitely keep an eye on him. He’s likely slightly below average in the field but his bat has returned for the most part (lost some power) so he has looked very solid so far
by McCann's the Man on Jul 25, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda what I'm thinking
He actually has a positive UZR this season in right, though it was negative last year. I don’t think he’d be a butcher in left by any means.
Price is always the key issue, but I don’t mind paying him 6-8 mil as long as its on a 1 year deal.
I'm down with seeing what he's got.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
A name I see but not on here in trade proposals is
Andres Torres. At 32 he would be cheap, he has produced for San Fran in his opportunities to start, he is in the top 30 for total bases for OFers, and along with his 17 SBs is his ability to hit for some power too.
I wouldnt think that it would take much to get him from SF. Maybe a few mid level prospects?
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That's interesting.
He seems to be having a pretty legit season and he fits the CF spot. I also keep hearing that he has “good defense” although I’m lazy and haven’t looked stuff up to verify that. However, I think the Giants have to fade a bit in order to get him (which wont happen because of their pitching).
"Give him the heater Ricky."
I don't think they'll give us Torres for prospects.
The Giants are still in contention, and they have precious little hitting. They want guys who can hit now, not prospects. If they were out of it, yeah, this would make sense. But since the Giants are contenders, it just won’t happen.
Scott Podsednik
He’s hitting .305 with 29 stolen bases for the Royals this year. He’s signed for 1.75M with a club option for 2011. He’s a decent fielder.
!!!!!!!!
Big news everyone! I’ve heard from a reporter the Braves have acquired Cody Ross from the Marlins in exchange for Nate McLouth, pitcher Mike Dunn, and minor leaguer Zeke Spruill. Wren had been talking to the Marlins as of late, considering Ross and his sporty .273 average with almost 50 RBIs and almost 10 HRs.
You give me a mets fan, and after chipper and heyward take him out in the back alley he'll want to cheer for the Braves.
yeah right i’ll believe it when i see it. the only way they take mcout is if we pay all or most of his contract.
yeah i'm just kidding.
You give me a mets fan, and after chipper and heyward take him out in the back alley he'll want to cheer for the Braves.
i would be pissed.
Spruill and Dunn by themselves are too much IMO.
by drumzalicious on Jul 26, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
If we included McLouth and his salary...
I wouldn’t. Spruill has a damn nice projection, but he has stumbled against roadblocks so far. And Dunn looks great, but it’s not like we have a shortage of strong left handed relievers. I like both as prospects, but shedding McLouth’s salary could be worth that, let alone replacing him with what has for the last few years been a solid OF and RH hitter in Ross.
Anyone but McLouth, please.
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Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward.
You missed punctuation.
9th one down.
The only time the Mets win is in the offseason.
by GouldisGold on Jul 26, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Angels Acquire Dan Haren
…and while we might say “okay, so what – at least nobody in the East got him”, I believe that Frank Wren is in an interesting driver’s seat.
Who has surplus pitching? Atlanta. Who needs pitching? Everybody in a playoff race except Atlanta. Now all FW has to do is play the cards correctly — and maybe pull off that blockbuster for a big bat. The desperation out there is for pitching. And the available pitching is now in extremely short supply.
"I don't think there's any greater free-swinger in the game than Jeff Francoeur" - Tim McCarver, 4/17/2010
Dan Haren ERA: 4.60
Kenshin Kawakami ERA 4.75
I don’t know what I’m getting at here…but yeah….that’s an observation.
by ConradsComrades on Jul 25, 2010 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
Dan Haren is also a proven All Star who’s had a long, proven career. He’s also been pretty unlucky this year. That, and it would be a tough as a GM to sell a 35-year old pitcher who’s owed $10-12M over the next year and a half who’s 2-10, 4.75ERA this year to the fans. Not really a guy that fans would flock to the stadium to see.
Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward.
by Scott Coleman on Jul 25, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
How does KK stack?
Dan Haren is also a proven All Star who’s had a long, proven career
In Japan, KK was the best in the biz.
He’s also been pretty unlucky this year
KK has been unlucky for two years – one of the most unlucky pitchers I have ever seen.
Not really a guy that fans would flock to the stadium to see.
In the right place (LA, Boston, etc) fans would, for the simple Japanese factor alone. Not to mention that KK is a damn good pitcher.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 26, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
lucky as in BABIP being incredibly high along with HR/FB
not lucky with wins and losses
Haren is much, much, much better than KK.
And I’m a KK supporter.
by kbertling353 on Jul 26, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I never said KK was better than Haren.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 26, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions
ummmm
In Japan, KK was the best in the biz.
that’s just not true. KK was good but NEVER, EVER the best in Japanese baseball.
Kazumi Saito (until shoulder issues ) and Dice-K were always regarded higher than KK. (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/11/ranking-japanes.html). Before that it was Dice-K. And in the past few years it’s been Yu Darvish. KK is intriguing but is at the tail end of his career. I could see the Tigers have interest in Lowe and, honestly, I would take Porcello for him straight up…but who else?
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 27, 2010 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions
KK won the Japanese equivalent to the Cy Young.
But whatever. If you want to argue semantics, I’ll break it down for you:
KK was one of the top 5 pitchers in the Japanese league.
There. Does that suit you better?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 27, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's gonna happen.
Hell, we’d be happy if they did Lowe for a bag of balls straight up if we weren’t eating any salary.
It's silent on the Braves front on all the rumors
Just the way I like it.
Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward.
Silent is an understatement. Nothing, zero, nada being said. I like it cause it usually means Wren is doing something nobody expects, but frankly it’s driving me a little bonkers. I can’t wait to know the plan going forward.
Heyward is pretty good
Seriously. I don’t think MLBTR has even linked the Braves to anything since the Gonzo/Esco trade besides the “Ross unlikely to be dealt” story this week.
Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward.
by Scott Coleman on Jul 25, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
We won't move McLouth...
…nobody will take him right now. He’s is prety much dead weight. On the positive side, I am sure he would clear waivers if we wanted to send him down.
mvhs
thanks for telling me we already had one of these up, lol.
Hockey is my oxygen, football is my food, and baseball is my water. I'd say basketball is my shelter, but I'd rather not lie.
by truheelzfan44 on Jul 26, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, not a problem. At least you took some time to write your post out. Other morons just do one of these:
“MY TRADE IDEAS!
BRaves get Ryan Braun because the Brewers are selling at the deadline and why would they keep Braun if they get rid of Prince? I say we offer McLouth, a solid prospect like Todd Redmond and then a guy like Cole Rohrbough. They get an outfielder back and they get 2 solid pitching prospects with potential. Add in Diaz too to sweeten the pot."
And then they bitch about their thread being deleted.
Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward.
by Scott Coleman on Jul 26, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
heh heh.
And I threw in Andrew McCutchen deal which was totally unrealistic. But it was fun to dream for awhile, I deleted and came here. I think Wren is planning something big though like you were saying, hence all the silence.
Hockey is my oxygen, football is my food, and baseball is my water. I'd say basketball is my shelter, but I'd rather not lie.
by truheelzfan44 on Jul 26, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I do too. I won’t wake up until 2 or 3 o’clock east coast time (i’m in Arizona), but I have a feeling something will be going down as I get my beauty rest.
Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward.
by Scott Coleman on Jul 26, 2010 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Legit thought though...
some of the big names lack top flight pitchers. We have them in spades. With guys like Teheran, Minor, Hanson, Jurrjens, etc still in the system, would you part with a combination starting at Delgado and Medlen, add a lefty reliever and whatever more prospects were needed (not JT or FF) for a Braun or McCutcheon? Is there any way possible packaging those two pitchers would be enough to headline a package for one of them? Just the idea of having one of those two in the lineup for the next 5 years, with Heyward, McCann and the others we got, the pitching we got, that’s just so enticing.
It's a nice idea, but those guys are young studs.
And getting a young stud is almost impossible. Imagine what it would take for the Braves to trade Heyward. I just don’t see either of those guys being traded. Guys that young and good just don’t get traded.
this
Ryan Braun and McCutchen are the Heywards to their teams. There is a very slim possibilty of them being traded because they are young, very talented, and cheap. Elite players that are cheap don’t come around too often, but nobody is untouchable at the right price.
I know, but a kid can dream...
and maybe one of them is desperate to start over. Besides, the Brewers could use LF for Gamel or Lawrie or Weeks, and use whatever we sent them to strengthen where they are weak. I can see them more willing to move Braun than the Pirates would be with McCutcheon.
Braves get Chone Figgins
Mariners get Nate McLouth and a B pitching prospect
The Braves get rid of McLouth and get their 3B for next season.
The Mariners save some money and hope that a change in scenery is good for McLouth plus they get a pitching prospect to help their poor farm system.
After this season Figgins has 3 years $27M left on his deal. McLouth has 1 year at $6.5M left plus an option for 2012 at $10.65M with $1.25M buyout.
Figgins wouldn’t give us a lot of at bats this season but would play 3B next year has been a good hitter in the past.
The Mariners main incentive is to shed some salary and they may be more willing to move him after the fight in the dugout, although writers have said that the Mariners manager may be more of the problem.
Mariners would never do that deal.
It is like trading Figgins for less than a B pitching prospect because McLouth’s value is negative. Yeah, Figgins is stinking up the joint this year, but he has a long, good track record, and the Mariners have him for three more years. I am sure they would move him for the right offer, but I don’t think they would just give him away, which is what your suggested deal would be.
Werth
Would you trade high profile prospects to Philly for them to swap with the Astros so that they could get Oswalt?
It achieves a big bat that we’d need, while knowing that the Phillies would not be benefiting from most of our prospects we give up to get Werth? This would also net us a player who ould play LF/CF/RF and we could plug him, Heyward or Melky/Blanco into the CF slot. We would also have a chance to negotiate with Werth first in the offseason or even sign him on the trade. Worst senario would be something similar to Soriano happens in the offseason I think.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
And if Werth accepted arb, I don't think that'd be a bad thing...
it just doesn’t seem very likely though.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 26, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, supposedly they’re looking for a #4 type starter for the run this season, and we have KK sitting around doing nothing …
KK would fail miserably in Philly. That trade would suck for him, but it would be kinda awesome for us.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 26, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
A Braves/Phillies trade mades sense...
…but it will never happen. We need an OF and they have Werth extra, but need pitching, which we have extra. That’s why it makes sense. The Braves and Phillies are also locked in a division race and both know that the other is the biggest threat so they don’t want to do anything to improve the other team. That’s why it won’t happen.
wht about shinsoo choo>?
What can be said about him that hasn't already been said? His every adjustment is a gift, his every at-bat a festival, his every swing a cool dewy breeze tinged with raspberry and incense. The only question is whether he'll win multiple MVPs or merely the Nobel Prize for Looking Like He Has Been There Before.
Would love that guy.
Legit solid player.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
His obligatory military service is worrisome.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 26, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I read somewhere...
…that he had found some way out. I think he is becoming a US Citizen.
If he plays for Korea in the asian games this winter...
and wins a gold, he won’t have to go to such desperate lengths. But I have read a few times how it won’t be a problem, one way or another it won’t be a problem (which I always read to imply he’d renounce SK citizenship if it came down to it as a last resort).
playing
in the WBC cleared him for a while.
now it’s becoming an American Citizen.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 27, 2010 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess since he's back from the DL...
it would be nice to check it out, but I don’t think Wren is interested seeing as that Choo is a lefty.
by soup du jour on Jul 27, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
If Lance Berkman were still healthy enough to play LF defensively?
he is past his prime, but still a capable bat. Wonder what he’d cost, although you’d assume not much for the Astros to be rid of his salary.
I think he's past the outfield part of his career.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
I believe that the last game Berkman played in the OF...
…was in Atlanta a few years ago. I remember that game well. After that game, the Astros would have to be crazy to put him back out there, it was horrible. He’s just not an OF anymore.
I would love Adam Dunn
but we have Glaus at 1B
So what about sending Glaus to a contender(AL so he can DH) and getting 1-2 decent prospects
Now since we have some new prospects we can afford to trade away some of our original prospects
Braves send: Mike Minor and Adam Milligan
Braves recieve: Adam Dunn
Then we wait it out with Nate for 2 weeks….if he keeps struggling we send him down and put a Melky/Gregor platoon back in CF
thoughts?
Jason Heyward...great guy
I would love Adam Dunn. I am not sure if I am willing to give up Glaus for him though. Glaus potentially may be our 3B next season.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 26, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of people mention Glaus at 3rd for us next year. Maybe it would work, it’s not that different than 1st base I guess. I worry about his arm/shoulder, and cannot imagine resigning a guy as slow as Glaus is. One things for sure, we won’t get him at this years price.
Heyward is pretty good
No way Glaus is at 3rd next year
the dude can barely take a swing anymore without stumbling all over the place. That would be a nightmare.
Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward.
by Scott Coleman on Jul 26, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m picturing the nubbed grounders toward third that require a charge forward, barehanded pickup, and whip to first. I can’t see Troy doing that.
"I don't think there's any greater free-swinger in the game than Jeff Francoeur" - Tim McCarver, 4/17/2010
There's no way
I love what Troy’s done for us this year, but I think we need to realize exactly what he is: A 1-year, veteran bridge player to Freddie Freeman.
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