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Braves List of the Day: Taking Tim Hudson For Granted

Consistency, thy name is Hudson.

In Tim Hudson's last start, he gave up 6 runs in 6.2 innings. I'm sure nearly all of us forgave him for his poor start, though. After all, it was his first truly bad start of the year. In fact, he had not given up more than 4 runs in a start since 2008, before his Tommy John surgery. That's a span of 26 consecutive non-terrible starts. Which of course made me wonder just how impressive such a streak is.

The answer? Pretty impressive, though not record-breaking or anything. In fact, Huddy's streak was not even the longest such streak by a Braves starter that ended this year. Here are the top 20 streaks without a Failure Start (5+ runs allowed) since 2000:

    1. Jake Peavy, 39 starts (8/31/2003 to 5/4/2005)
    2. Johan Santana, 35 starts (7/15/2006 to 7/18/2007)
    3. Johan Santana, 32 starts (5/29/2004 to 5/11/2005)
    4. Clayton Kershaw, 31 starts (5/1/2009 to 4/29/2010)
  T5. Roger Clemens, 29 starts (9/8/2004 to 8/13/2005)
  T5. Josh Johnson, 29 starts (4/24/2009 to 9/29/2009)
    7. Tom Glavine, 28 starts (6/23/2001 to 5/7/2002)
  T8. Pedro Astacio, 27 starts (7/27/2001 to 8/6/2002)
  T8. Tommy Hanson, 27 starts (6/12/2009 to 5/10/2010)
  T8. Dustin Hermanson, 27 starts (6/27/2001 to 4/13/2004)
T11. Roy Oswalt, 26 starts (5/13/2006 to 4/7/2007)
T11. Brandon Webb, 26 starts (4/27/2003 to 9/17/2003)
T11. Tim Hudson, 26 starts (7/23/2008 to 7/10/2010)
T14. Randy Wolf, 25 starts (6/29/2009 to 5/8/2010)
T14. John Patterson, 25 starts (9/10/2004 to 8/4/2005)
T14. Darrell May, 25 starts (8/17/2002 to 7/24/2003)
T14. Roy Oswalt, 25 starts (4/18/2003 to 5/8/2004)
T18. Chris Carpenter, 24 starts (5/12/2005 to 9/18/2005)
T18. Johan Santana, 24 starts (7/16/2005 to 5/17/2006)
T18. Jake Peavy, 24 starts (4/25/2007 to 9/1/2007)

The longest active streak, by the way, is Josh Johnson's 19-start streak that began with his first start of 2010.

Nine of the 20 spots on the list are taken up by Cy Young winners, and that's not even counting Oswalt or Hudson, who have been near-Cy Young quality for portions of their careers. Johnson, Hanson, and Kershaw have very bright futures ahead of them as well; any of them could win Cy Youngs in the future (Johnson might win it this year). The ones that stand out as surprises are May, Hermanson, and Patterson. Astacio's streak is maybe the most impressive, if only because he pitched half his games at pre-humidor Coors Field.

I don't know about you guys, but I was very surprised to see Tommy Hanson higher on this list than Hudson. I wouldn't be too worried about Tommy's few bad outings this year (he's had 4 Failure Starts)... it's probably just some bad luck catching up to him after a long stretch of good luck. On another Braves note, I think we probably under-appreciate the early 2000s-era Tom Glavine. He wasn't as dominant as he was in the 1990s, but he was very consistent, as shown by his high place on this list.

I have one non-Braves comment: Johan Santana is still a very good pitcher, but he's nothing like the force of nature that he was from 2004 to 2007 with the Twins. From May 29, 2004 to the end of the 2007 season (a span of 124 starts), he had only 7 Failure Starts. That's a Failure Percentage of only 5.6%. By contrast, he's had 13 Failure Starts in 79 starts since joining the Mets, a 16.4% Failure Percentage.

Let's hope Huddy can start up another long streak in his next outing!

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I always feel safe with Huddy on the mound.

Poets are like baseball pitchers. Both have their moments. The intervals are the tough things. ~Robert Frost

by Joseph_C on Jul 20, 2010 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I always feel safe in his embrace. I guess he just has that quality with people.

I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.

by TheLetter2 on Jul 20, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that arm injury Johan suffered last year really has put a damper on him, if he gets back to full health, by all accounts he’s not there, he is still pretty good…but he’ll never be the pitcher he was with the twins…that guy was crazy good

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 20, 2010 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Indeed.

That is probably the best 3-4 season run of any pitcher since Pedro Martinez in the late 90s.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jul 20, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably, but just to clairfy Pedor’s span was the greatest span ever…i feel that needs to be stated as often as possibel. Pedro is a huge dick and a bit of a piece of crap…but good lord can the dude pitch

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 20, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

1997 to 2001 for Pedro was mind-boggling. The dude put up THOSE numbers at the height of the greatest offensive era ever.

by clicheguevara85 on Jul 20, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think you mean mind-bottling, like when things are so amazing your thoughts are all in a bottle

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 20, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

no i think mind-boggling is what he meant

like when something or someone boggles the mind

by TCfromDubVee on Jul 20, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

its a joke…go watch Blades of Glory

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 20, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha, ok

and no thanks on the Blades of Glory

by TCfromDubVee on Jul 20, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

although ...

it’s probably doubtful to say Pedro was any cleaner than the hitters he faced.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 20, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need to change those years. 1997 through 2003 is more like it. He led the league in ERA+ in 2002 and 2003 as well. I hate steroid discussions, but if I must be drawn into one, I think I’d defend Pedro and say he didn’t use any such things.

by clicheguevara85 on Jul 20, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Pedro was pure filth but I’d still take Maddux in his prime over Pedro and not regret that decision once. But I may be crazy.

"Give him the heater Ricky."

by Pavy848 on Jul 20, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maddux kills him in longevitity and career numbers…but both of them at their peaks Im taking Pedro…and Maddux is a close second (and thats against any pitcher ever….even over Koufax)

but i can’t fault you for taking Maddux its not a bad choice

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 20, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course.

His run was crazy. I’d put it a tad better than Maddux’s mid-90s run. Nobody else in the last 40 years compares.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jul 20, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hudson has always been a good pitcher, but he has been SO much more consistent since undergoing TJ surgery. It used to be that he either dominated or got shelled almost every start.

The only time the Mets win is in the offseason.

by GouldisGold on Jul 20, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Let’s not forget that while Hudson gave up 6 earned runs in that start, he came out giving up 3 and with the bases loaded and 2 outs. Had Moylan not allowed the bases to clear the streak could still be going.

Moylan seems to be lights out with nobody on or when he’s starting his own inning. But seems to give up a lot of inherited runners. Has this been covered here? Anybody got stats to prove/disprove this? Just curious.

by ruxsin on Jul 20, 2010 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

I agree. Moylan doesn’t do well with inherited runners, I’m always a bit concerned when he comes in with anyone on past first base. I think the primary reason is that he tends to issue a lot of walks regardless of situation, and walks hurt you a lot more with runners already on.

by kamujin on Jul 20, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the real story of that list is Hanson, not Hudson

Hanson started that streak ONE MONTH after getting called up. That’s insane!

Hanson has gotten overshadowed with his recent struggles and the emergence of Heyward, but he is truly a cornerstone to build around and has many huge seasons ahead of him.

60% of the time, it works every time

by ATLandUNC on Jul 20, 2010 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed.

I was surprised by his appearance on the list, but it certainly speaks to his his abilities and potential.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jul 20, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other words

Tim Hudson is the balls.

"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
METS: My Entire Team Sucks.
Phillies Baseball: Established - 2008

by Scott Coleman on Jul 20, 2010 4:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Random personal factiod:

As an obvious autograph maniac I have collected three whole autographs fro MLB players. All of these were collected from guys hanging out by the fans durring BP at Wrigley when I was a kid:

Vlad (as an Expo)
Dustin Hermanson
Shawn Estes

Jason Heyward wins at baseball.

by bbxxj on Jul 20, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

how many half autographs have you collected?

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 20, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol, I like this idea.

by Lizziebeth on Jul 21, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got Medallion’s, and I think he’s just swell.

I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.

by TheLetter2 on Jul 20, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

BABiP

Considering that Huddy’s is at .236, he’s still got some regressing to the mean to do. That’s either going to happen in the second half OR he’s gonna get destroyed by the Baseball Gods in 2011.

by Thrashy Thrashy on Jul 20, 2010 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think he regresses much,

provided he can maintain his crazy GB%. If that starts coming down, though, then we’ll be seeing his ERA go up a fair bit.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jul 20, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Medlen hasn't has a failure start since his debut.

I believe thats 14 starts now, obviously he has a bunch of relief appearances thrown in there, but still a very nice streak. The longest current streak of our guys, and one more reason to be excited about the future of our pitching staff

by Eleth on Jul 20, 2010 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Cool.

I wonder which team has the fewest failure starts of all. I bet we’d be up near the top. Even KK and Lowe have not had many games where they just screwed the pooch.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jul 20, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just looked it up:

Braves have 16 Failure Starts this year, which is tied for 6th-fewest in MLB. Tampa Bay and St. Louis both have only 13, while San Francisco, San Diego, and Oakland all have 14. Florida also has 16. Not really any surprises in that group. Those are all among the top 10 rotations in MLB, I’d say. Every other team has had at least 20, and surprisingly Minnesota has the most (31).

Here are the Braves’ Failure Starts:
Lowe, 5
Kawakami, 5
Hanson, 4
Jurrjens, 1
Hudson, 1

Even Lowe and KK’s Failures are not too bad; they rank tied for 35th in MLB, which is slightly below average for qualified starters.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jul 20, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reply fail....

how do I delete the one below?

by Eleth on Jul 20, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't.

You just live with the shame.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jul 20, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

More stats:

League average Failure : 26

KK: 33% (5/15)
Lowe: 25% (5/20)
Hanson: 21% (4/19)
Jurrjens: 13% (1/8)
Hudson: 5% (1/19)
Medlen: 0% (0/11)

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jul 20, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome.

I think we just might have a pretty decent pitching staff these days;)

by Eleth on Jul 20, 2010 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

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