Braves' Cox and Venters Suspended
by gondeee on Jul 19, 2010 4:18 PM EDT
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PrintGive me a freakin' break! According to DOB, Braves lefty reliever Jonny Venters has been suspended four games and fined for throwing at wee little Prince Fielder, and Bobby Cox was also suspended one game. What a crock of Sh!%.
Apparently it was because he threw "two consecutive pitches" at Fielder. This is just dumb by MLB, and an overreaction to a situation that was blown way out of proportion by the Brewers. Why would Venters be throwing at Fielder? No one on the Brewers has ever explained that. Shouldn't MLB at least address the reason other than "two consecutive pitches."
Just silly, and it could have a big impact on the pennant race. With Eric O'Flaherty on the disabled list, this takes away our top left-handed setup man for half a week. Hopefully they can appeal and get it reduced.
Please, someone, explain to me why Venters was throwing at Fielder (other than the fact that he's a really large target, and one could argue that his gravitational pull actually attracted the ball towards him).
To add a bit of insult to injury, I'm 90% certain that Bob Watson, a former Braves player, is the MLB executive in charge of issuing suspensions.
UPDATE: Okay, I just went and watched every at-bat Fielder had in the series after looking at this chart:
I would expect the Braves to pound the four corners of the strike zone against Fielder, especially high-and-inside... and after watching every at-bat that's exactly what they did. All but one of his hits came on mistake pitches in the middle of the zone, but we got him out high-and-inside and low-and-away. And we did a pretty good job of it as Fielder went 4-for-16 in the series, though he did hit two homeruns, again on mistake pitches in the middle of the zone.
When the book on a player says to pitch him high-and-inside, that's what a team is going to do. Sometimes the guy is going to get hit, especially someone like Fielder who dives into the ball. Fielder had already been hit 12 times coming into this series, now he's been hit 14 times, which ties his career high, and currently ranks third in the National League.
This suspension is essentially saying that teams cannot pitch Prince Fielder inside unless the pitcher on the mound has pinpoint control, and that's just so rarely going to be the case. Venters obviously didn't have his control with him when he came in the game. That's why Bobby went to Brewers manager Ken Macha the next day and told him this wasn't intentional. If it was intentional, Bobby never would have gone out of his way to talk to the opposing manager. This further adds to the silliness of the suspension. I'm incensed.
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The first pitch was a breaking ball
Who would peg someone with a breaking ball?
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
definitely have to appeal
maybe get it down to 2 games?
"If you were going to make a Mount Rushmore of managers, Bobby's one of them."
-Mike Scioscia
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jul 19, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that’s just fucked. How about the next day when some Braves’ players were getting pegged?
There shouldn’t be any suspensions
Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.
They pegged us after a warning and n'ary a thing happened.
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jul 19, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I know,
if they are going to pull this kind of crap, they should at least be consistent. This is ridiculous, imo.
Washington Tribune, June 29 2010 – "The stonecutters carving Stephen Strasburg’s name onto the Washington Monument have been directed to await further instructions."
this is f****ing bullshit
i want to see riske and macha suspended too. apparently hitting two Braves, with a warning sandwiched in between, is no big deal
Right, apparently that's perfectly okay.
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jul 19, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh.
Angel’s sidehug all the way to first base was so infuriating.
“You okay, Princey? Angel won’t let that mean man hurt you again…”
"It wasn’t that it was slippery or anything like that. It was just, dadgum, my hands and the balls were so wet..." - Tim Hudson
by KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) on Jul 19, 2010 4:24 PM EDT reply actions
Ya I’m sure Angel wasn’t trying to calm Prince down so the problem didn’t get worse, with Prince charging the mound…umpires should never act as mediators when tempers flair
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
A few more minutes
And Prince could’ve worked a handjob out of Angel.
"There was a time when we'd take a guy like you in the back and beat you with a hose." - Captain O'Hagan
Bet he doesn't even have the common GD courtesy for a reach around.
"If you were going to make a Mount Rushmore of managers, Bobby's one of them."
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jul 19, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Choke yourself!
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 20, 2010 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Those Big, Bad, Bwaves, hurt my wittle mayon.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 19, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It's okay Pwincey
Two years from now you’ll be in Boston and you can stomp and dance and flutter about all you want.
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jul 19, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
lol'd
Washington Tribune, June 29 2010 – "The stonecutters carving Stephen Strasburg’s name onto the Washington Monument have been directed to await further instructions."
Why not replace Papi with someone shorter, fatter and hungrier?
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jul 20, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Even though I feel that it was obvious he was throwing at him, this suspension is ridiuclous – ESPECIALLY after the Brewers took care of business in baseball fashion yesterday.
Marinerfanjake- from watching the replay (and the associated commentary from Joe and Chip) it’s obvious neither pitch was a breaking ball.
Dude it was definitely a breaking ball
Venters fastball clocks in the mid nineties. The first pitch was clocked at 85. Thats absolutely a breaking pitch – probably a slider
HUMAN TEAMMATE HEYWARD JASON FOR FRANCHISE MVP AFTER TAKING MATTERS INTO OWN HANDS AND REMOVING MCLOUTH NATE FROM LINEUP
no one is going to throw as hard as they can at a mans head
he probably took something off of it… it had no break… ive seen venters pitch all season… when he throws a breaking ball you can see it… these pitches were laser beams
by ChitownBravos on Jul 19, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea fuck this shit. Suspend their pitchers too!
That Riske guy should be suspended then.
And Ken Macha can burn in hell, that whiny ass hypocrite
HUMAN TEAMMATE HEYWARD JASON FOR FRANCHISE MVP AFTER TAKING MATTERS INTO OWN HANDS AND REMOVING MCLOUTH NATE FROM LINEUP
Well said sir.
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jul 19, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
This is all because Macha started whining to MLB about his guys getting hit. I’m sorry, do your guys crowd the plate? Effing Telitubby does, so he better expect to wear one here and there. Oh where, oh where has MLB’s balls gone. This S really pisses me off. Just let the teams settle it on the field and screw this suspension crap. I also agree that Macha and Riske should get suspended as well. Even if the ump says “I didn’t think he threw at him” once a warning is thrown out, I believe the pitcher and manager are gone regardless.
From the Dodgers locker room incident last year to this. Fielder/Brewers show themselves to be the biggest babies in the MLB. Truly pathetic. And MLB is just as pathetic to pander to them.
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okay..so what about the following day when heyward was hit..
and then glaus???
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by SidGlaus on Jul 19, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions
Wasn’t the excuse for throwing at Prince the slide into second? Either way, suspensions are ridiculous if Macha and Riske aren’t given them also.
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didn’t the slide at second happen after the AB he got it?
by CharlotteChop on Jul 19, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s what I thought
"It wasn’t that it was slippery or anything like that. It was just, dadgum, my hands and the balls were so wet..." - Tim Hudson
by KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) on Jul 19, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
He slid into 2nd wide after he was hit by that pitch if I remember right.
So he’s due for another HBP.
You mark that frame an 8, and you're entering a world of pain.
Been lurking for awhile, but have to comment here.
Rediculous.
Unbelievable.
And someone payed someone off to get this one accomplished.
Hope Macha, Fielder, and Angel Hernandez feel really strong today, should be proud of themselves for being such “men”. Disgusting.
You don't have to pay Angel extra to be bad at his job
He seems to enjoy the awfulness
"Give him the heater Ricky."
He's about a nickel's worth ahead of CB Bucknor
And that’s like being the coolest waiter at Shennanigan’s.
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jul 19, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Bullshit
Brewer hitters have been hit 47 freaking times this season, but THIS ONE was intentional.
Some days I am really amazed that I love baseball so much as fucked up as MLB is.
I really didn’t like Fatass Fielder before, but his little bitch whining is ridiculous.
This is really infuriating.
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Saw this:
I assume it’s due to all the Venters suspension backlash.
"It wasn’t that it was slippery or anything like that. It was just, dadgum, my hands and the balls were so wet..." - Tim Hudson
by KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) on Jul 19, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Picture of: Fielder and all his little companions in the higher echelons of MLB. Am I correct?
Poets are like baseball pitchers. Both have their moments. The intervals are the tough things. ~Robert Frost
by Joseph_C on Jul 19, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
+1 ton
"It wasn’t that it was slippery or anything like that. It was just, dadgum, my hands and the balls were so wet..." - Tim Hudson
by KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) on Jul 19, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This should be the greenest comment ever
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UGHHH!
/throws computer out window
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by MBL1 on Jul 19, 2010 4:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
lol
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by MBL1 on Jul 19, 2010 4:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I can’t wait to hear that Fielder has died of a bacon overdose.
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by Rhyno18 on Jul 19, 2010 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He is a reincarnation of bacon overdose.
Poets are like baseball pitchers. Both have their moments. The intervals are the tough things. ~Robert Frost
I thought so.
I remember them going on and on about how he had changed his diet and he’s a vegetarian now and BLAH BLAH BLAH. What a joke.
by hailtogeorgia on Jul 19, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Pork rinds are a vegetable. Obviously.
"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backwards in a mirror." ~George Carlin
by FineHamAbounds on Jul 21, 2010 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Then he is a big fat FAIL at being a vegetarian.
Never seen one look like that.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
Failure as a vegetarian
I beg to differ. Mr. Fielder had so much weight to lose that it is going to take a while for his mass to decrease. He has had quite a while to get in this condition and to lose weight will not be overnight…ok, even I can’t keep a straight face with this. He is a big fat failure.
yeah right. I don’t care what he says, nobody can be that much of a fatass and be a vegetarian.
"I should have followed Rhyno's advice..." Mr. Sanchez 06/18/2010
That's what I mean
He’d have lost the weight by now, you’d think. I hear it’s been 2-3 years.
Kawakami - 1, Halladay - 0
my understanding
is that tofu and a lot of meat substitutes actually have a lot more calories and fat.
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by RichmondBraves on Jul 19, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
actually vegetarians tend to be fatter because the items that they eat in order to get their proteins are often very high in fats…
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
That and he probably eats a lot of
sweets, candies, cakes, etc as opposed to a healthy diet. Seriously, a vegetarian gets that fat not by replacing meat with soy/tofu, but with ice cream cake and cookies
Bread and pasta help you stay fat
But adding a little extra cheese to things doesn’t take pounds off, either. The best diet to lose weight is lean meat, whole grains, and fruits/veggies. Coincidentally, I stay away from all of these things, because they are really bad for your taste buds.
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or drinks a lot of beer
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by Bravely going forward on Jul 19, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
So most of America is on the Vegetarian diet plan?
"Give him the heater Ricky."
i lol’d
"Sometimes I think it is a great mistake to have matter that can think and feel. It complains so. By the same token, though, I suppose that boulders and mountains and moons could be accused of being a little too phlegmatic."
-Kurt Vonnegut, "The Sirens of Titan"
by Bravely going forward on Jul 19, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This is fucking ridiculous
They can keep Corey hart. Fuck the Brewers and their whiney piece of shit players… and manager.
Kawakami - 1, Halladay - 0
On a positive note
More playing time for Mike Dunn?
Also we’re 5.0 games ahead in our division and they’re 9.5 games back.
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this entire thread makes me ashamed to be a Braves fan.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Jul 19, 2010 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
no the ruling is absolute bullshit, but why do we have to insult the other team…I’ve never understood that…
They can keep Corey hart. Fuck the Brewers and their whiney piece of shit players… and manager.
I can’t wait to hear that Fielder has died of a bacon overdose.
these seem like gross overreactions… THe Brewers didn’t decide to suspend…they are pissed about their players getting hit…if the Braves lead the league in HBP then youd all be complaining about that too. Its ridiculous to take one position and decry another solely based on which one affects your team, when they are the same position.
At the end of the day, the MLB is wrong here. Venters hit Fielder, the Brewers retaliated by hitting Heyward and Glaus…thats the end of it…generally the argument is squashed…MLB shouldnt have issued suspensions or should give them to both sides…but thats no reason to say someone should die.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Jul 19, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The Brewers overreacted with the HBP. And they Hit Heyward (and someone else too) yet they get away scot-free.
Poets are like baseball pitchers. Both have their moments. The intervals are the tough things. ~Robert Frost
Yes the the culprit here is MLB not the Brewers, they handled it like the Braves would handle one of their players getting hit…
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Macha overreacted though.
Poets are like baseball pitchers. Both have their moments. The intervals are the tough things. ~Robert Frost
Would u say the same thing If Bobby made a stink about the Braves getting hit more than any other team in baseball, if it seemd like your best player was being targeted every series?
thats my problem, its a double standard…
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
But he wouldn't...
he’d just tell his pitchers to plunk them back. One of the things I dislike about folks crying double standards is ignoring the differences in what positions one puts themselves in and their normal way of carrying themselves.
If we led the league in players getting hit by pitches
I would hope that Bobby would try to figure out why and be a man about it instead of whining like a little bitch to MLB.
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But MLB is headed by a Brewer in Bud...
and there’s Prince’s past escapades re being plunked. That, and those guys are just ugly. Not TV ugly, but ugly ugly.
Bud is also a life long Braves fan…seeing as he grew up in Milwaukee when the Braves played there and has stated he was a Braves fan even after they left.
and still thats no reason to be mad at the Brewers, its reason to be mad at MLB.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
+1
HUMAN TEAMMATE HEYWARD JASON FOR FRANCHISE MVP AFTER TAKING MATTERS INTO OWN HANDS AND REMOVING MCLOUTH NATE FROM LINEUP
lmao
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 19, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh Cartman…
I hate the Phillies so much...
by frozendesert on Jul 19, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont' want to hurt your feelings Swo12bv, but
Are you or your family from France?
What manager John Russell thought when Morton hit J-Hey with a pitch, "Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons!"
by I Saw Buzz Beaned on Jul 19, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
you can call me anything you want…insult me in any way you deem appropriate…even wish death upon me if you see fit….
but don’t ever insinuate that I am from France…that is cold blooded
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
LOL
What manager John Russell thought when Morton hit J-Hey with a pitch, "Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons!"
by I Saw Buzz Beaned on Jul 19, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think part of it...
is for the Brewers, and Fielder in particular, this sort of deal and having MLB pandering to their desires, isn’t uncommon.
See I hate this...
Why should everybody else be able to vent but not us? Everybody knows that none of us “really” want them to die. I just don’t see the need to be so sensitive about it.
Lazy Journalizm
F*** MLB and his entire family!!!!!!1
by buzzdeadwax on Jul 19, 2010 1:43 PM PDT reply actions
Don't kiss an ass if it's in the process of shitting on you.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
pretty sure the “bacon overdose” was tongue-in-cheek, but you’re right, people really do go too far from time to time
"Sometimes I think it is a great mistake to have matter that can think and feel. It complains so. By the same token, though, I suppose that boulders and mountains and moons could be accused of being a little too phlegmatic."
-Kurt Vonnegut, "The Sirens of Titan"
by Bravely going forward on Jul 19, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
well if you don’t like it, you know where the door is
"I should have followed Rhyno's advice..." Mr. Sanchez 06/18/2010
his genius was greatly insulted
; )p
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 19, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think anyone is condoning plunking someone on purpose. Most are upset with the clear double standard.
and i agree with that, but not the fact that it was the other team that did anything wrong, or that somoen should die of an overdose of bacon
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I think a bacon overdose
would be a badass way to die.
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by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Jul 19, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
go be a mets fan then
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by RichmondBraves on Jul 19, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
On a related note...
I find it almost impossible to listen to Leo talk about anything other than baseball (and sometimes, even that). In the past two weeks alone I’ve heard him say that he wanted the Dutch to win the World Cup because they have nice cities like Copenhagen, as well as saying that someone needed to put their retirement money in a bank account in Sweden. Come on, man, I’m not expecting a Rhodes Scholar, but general geography knowledge isn’t asking that much.
by hailtogeorgia on Jul 19, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I never understood putting that morbidly obese Rude fellow in charge of a sports talk show. Surely somebody who actually follows sports was available for the job. Shit, I’ll do it.
There's a typecast for morning shows
Honestly, the best thing on 680 is Chuck and Chernoff, in the afternoon.
1) Morning show is almost painful to listen to most of the time.
2) Colin Cowherd is a windbag
Buck and Kinkade are good, but they haven’t been funny in a long time. They think they are, but they really aren’t but for rare occasions.
lmao
Why suspend Bobby?
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 19, 2010 4:42 PM EDT reply actions
F*** MLB and his entire family!!!!!!1
Don't kiss an ass if it's in the process of shitting on you.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
Seriously
What do the umpires have against us? It’s like every single one is on a mission to make the Braves players miserable.
Kawakami - 1, Halladay - 0
Prince Fielder seemingly has beef with everyone.
Suspend his fat ass.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 19, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Prince Fielder says “mmmmmm, beef”
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 19, 2010 4:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fielder has always been an absolute douchebag, and he won’t ever change. Typical of an overhyped prospect/young player, much like Hanley in Florida. Because of who his father is(was? not sure if Cecil is still alive, but I think he is)Prince was an ass in high school, his entire time in the minors, and he continues to be one now. The Brewers have to put up with him now because of the fan base, but the organization will be very happy to be rid of him and his prima donna attitude.
"I should have followed Rhyno's advice..." Mr. Sanchez 06/18/2010
How do you know? Did you go to school with him? You know what the Mil FO thinks? Be was hyped because of his crazy power, not just his dad.
People are wishing death on Prince, but did he say anything to the MLB or press?
No, I didn’t go to school with him, but I remember the scouting reports on him when he was coming out of high school. Most of them referenced his attitude. And I’ve talked to several players who played with and against him in the Minors, and they all pretty much said he was an ass. As for what the Brewers FO is thinking, I’m following what the national and local Wisconsin sports writers are saying.
Any other questions you want me to answer, or do you want to just keep standing there looking dumb?
"I should have followed Rhyno's advice..." Mr. Sanchez 06/18/2010
Dude
can’t eat chicken, or enjoy delicious KFC or any of that. What else do you expect?
I hate the Phillies so much...
by frozendesert on Jul 19, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure he can...
He may chose not to eat it, that’s his decision.
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gimme a break, nobody’s actually wishing death on anyone
"Sometimes I think it is a great mistake to have matter that can think and feel. It complains so. By the same token, though, I suppose that boulders and mountains and moons could be accused of being a little too phlegmatic."
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by Bravely going forward on Jul 19, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
umm..
weren’t we handed KK’s first win on a silver platter by Cederstrom against the tigers? I’m pretty sure that wasn’t to make us miserable.
That was balanced
By Phil “DON’T LOOK AT ME!!!” Cuzzi yesterday in SF.
"There was a time when we'd take a guy like you in the back and beat you with a hose." - Captain O'Hagan
what about the brewers pitchers hitting our guys a couple of times yesterday? has anything been done about that? not sure if it was intentional or not because I was listening to the radio when they hit our guys…so I couldn’t tell
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 19, 2010 4:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
weren't warnings handed out after heyward's HBP
and then again after glaus’s HBP? what’s the point of warnings if you’re just going to hand out DOUBLE SECRET warnings? if a braves pitcher had pitched inside, after the heyward HBP, there would be no doubt in my mind he would be tossed, but a second HBP from brewers pitchers is A-OK
The Brewers totally overreacted. Retaliating is just immature. and yes, I remember warnings being handed out after Heyward’s and Glaus’s. of course they’d hit Jason and Glaus. Why them? :(
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 19, 2010 4:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
heyward was just brushed by it. Probably nothing intentional. Glaus was hammered in the hip by it. Clearly intentional given the circumstances of the preceding day. It’s not every day that you see 2 guys get hit the day after one of your guys gets hit. If that wasn’t intentional, I don’t know what is.
I agree
I thought Heyward’s being hit was unintentional. He was pitched inside, and it was a little too inside. Glaus was the intentional one. I felt that the warning after Heyward was premature, but the warning should have come when Glausosaur got smacked.
don't mess with the Glausosaur
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 19, 2010 5:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the fact that the warning happened before glaus’s at bat and nothing was done when glaus was hit pisses me off though, whether or not the warning was warranted.
This...
I thought if a warning was issued, then ejection was automatic if someone else gets hit. I think Bobby was arguing that as well, after Glaus was hit. I was confused as to why Riskey and Macha were not ejected.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
its all up to the umpire’s discretion..or at least that is my understanding …i didnt check anything…what probably happened was a shady soccer call is the culprit here. (for those that dont understand this go rewatch the slovenia US match, refs will make a call, then realize it was wrong and make a phantom call to “make up for it”)…the ump realzied the warning wasnt necessary for a ball that wasnt intentional, and then issued the official warning after GLaus was hit (this is at least my take on what went throught the umps mind)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I will say,
other than the whole “Why would Venters be trying to hit Fielder?” argument, it certainly seemed like Venters was throwing at him. Neither of those pitches were breaking balls, they both looked to go exactly where they were aimed…at Fielder.
The first one was a slider.
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"If anyone asks you, you fixed my television. Now go!"
Was it?
I couldn’t really tell too much about it, it looked to go pretty much straight at his head. However, if you say it was a slider, then I will defer to your judgement. I haven’t gone back and watched it again.
by hailtogeorgia on Jul 19, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't see it.
I was listening on the radio and Don just about came out of his shirt when Hernandez warned em.
I am deferring to his judgement as to what the pitch was!
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"If anyone asks you, you fixed my television. Now go!"
Don always says that
He’s a pitcher first and foremost. I’ve heard him downplay obvious HBPs over and over. I don’t think he believes that he’s ever actually seen one.
"There was a time when we'd take a guy like you in the back and beat you with a hose." - Captain O'Hagan
I will say
Joe Simpson said the second pitch was a breaking ball and it definitely wasn’t. It didn’t break at all.
by hailtogeorgia on Jul 19, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
absolutely was. Venters throws a 95 mph fastball
and that first pitch was 85. Def. a slider
HUMAN TEAMMATE HEYWARD JASON FOR FRANCHISE MVP AFTER TAKING MATTERS INTO OWN HANDS AND REMOVING MCLOUTH NATE FROM LINEUP
So you are telling me that a MLB pitcher can’t control his mechanics enough to take 10 mph off his fast ball in order to hit a batter? I could’ve sworn they can. His pitch also came in much like his sinker if I remember correctly (running down and in).
"Give him the heater Ricky."
If you were throwing at someone why the hell would you take 10 MPH off your fastball? That defeats the entire purpose of throwing at them in the first place …
clearly you’ve never been hit by a 85 mph pitch before, it still hurts….the point isnt to injure it is to send a message you don’t need to throw it hard for that message to stick
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Just updated story...
… with some pitch f/x data that should explain why the Braves and Venters were trying to throw him inside. Venters was just wild inside.
you can't possibly know that
it’s not a fact that we weren’t trying to hit him. on the contrary, most people think the opposite.
by kbertling353 on Jul 19, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?...
he can “know” they were just wild inside about as much as you can “know” we were trying to plunk him. Unless you’re Venters or have spoken with Venters, you’re clueless. And I doubt he’s admitting in the press that he did it in purpose.
notice that i didn't say or imply that the opposite was a fact.
learn to read.
by kbertling353 on Jul 19, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You can read too...
where does gondee say he knows anything of the sort about the subject. he’s guesstimating just like everyone else. nothing wrong with that, especially considering he has considerable factual support.
everything he wrote
implies it’s illogical to think otherwise.
also, showing fielder’s hitting zones is not “considerable factual support”.
by kbertling353 on Jul 19, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The guy hits worse inside...
in the lower third, middle third, and upper third, his numbers were all worse inside. Apparently we made a concerted effort to pitch him inside (didn’t watch enough of the games to actually say for myself), and it’s funny how how bust him for saying what Venters was doing, but now you “imply” to know what he meant. Pot calling kettle.
his hot zones are a plus shape through the strike zone
the four corners are cold zones. two inside, two outside.
explain to me how this is evidence for anything relating to this incident.
the pitches venters threw weren’t even close. the first was directly over his head, the second drilled him in the back. ross didn’t come close to catching either of them.
by kbertling353 on Jul 19, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
you can believe whatever you want
but if you were a brewers fan or a neutral observer, you wouldn’t have any doubts that venters was throwing at fielder. especially when you consider all the batters that were hit this series.
by kbertling353 on Jul 19, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, like Hanson hitting him
Seeing as Hanson leads the league in hit batsmen and the Brewers lead the league in getting hit.
Genius.
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"If anyone asks you, you fixed my television. Now go!"
Well,
the facts that Hanson leads the league in hit batsmen and the Brewers lead in getting hit aren’t mutually exclusive with the possibility that there was mal intent.
I’m not saying I think Hanson hit him, I’m simply saying that just because something happens often accidentally, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t occasionally happen intentionally.
by hailtogeorgia on Jul 19, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would venters be sent in to plunk the guy if we have a perfectly worthless reliever in Jesse Chavez to do the headhunting?
Chavez woulda missed
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Jul 19, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
see we can be friends…
a green comment and being told I am overly sensitive and may or may not be from france all in one thread thats probably never happened before right?
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
well done
"Sometimes I think it is a great mistake to have matter that can think and feel. It complains so. By the same token, though, I suppose that boulders and mountains and moons could be accused of being a little too phlegmatic."
-Kurt Vonnegut, "The Sirens of Titan"
by Bravely going forward on Jul 19, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec #10. Dude, this was a good one.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 20, 2010 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions
That is my thinking, too. If we wanted to hit someone, why risk losing one of our best guys? And why would we want a rookie to do it? Seems like it’s quite possible that Venters was trying to pitch inside, because it’s the easiest way to get Fielder out. Then he almost hit him, got warned, and psyched himself out, knowing he couldn’t hit him. Then they tried to go inside and it got away from him. That seems like a far more likely scenario to me.
"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson
by sleezer1788 on Jul 19, 2010 5:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bring in Hanson.
He is good at plunking everyone.
by DogDaysofSummer on Jul 19, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I respect the data comparison,
and Venters has been wild a time or two, but it certainly seemed like he was throwing at him. Sure, the situation didn’t call for it, but at the same time, Venters didn’t seem to put up any sort of argument or defense for himself when he was tossed. I don’t think it’s that unfathomable to think he was throwing at him.
That said, I don’t think the suspension was warranted and I think at the very least, it should’ve been doled out to both sides, not just the Braves.
by hailtogeorgia on Jul 19, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
-1
for logical arguments, as opposed to irrational homerism on TC.
by kbertling353 on Jul 19, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
irrational homer on TC>twinkie advocate
A baseball diamond is, most simply, the intersecting of four 90-foot baselines, and, most powerfully, the intersecting of seemingly random lives.
I say
we all make a petition to get Joe West and Angel Hernandez fired. Yeah, they didn’t fine/suspend Venters and Bobby, but they DID make bad calls during the series and eject them.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 19, 2010 5:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
my name's French!
HUMAN TEAMMATE HEYWARD JASON FOR FRANCHISE MVP AFTER TAKING MATTERS INTO OWN HANDS AND REMOVING MCLOUTH NATE FROM LINEUP
by Zeus12888 on Jul 19, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Frenchy....?
I hate the Phillies so much...
by frozendesert on Jul 19, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd for blatant celebrity jeopardy reference
Over; in an effort to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, MaconDawg will be a consumer of Tennessee Oil (read: Jack Daniel’s) and will require approximately 3.5 barbecue sandwiches to remain spry and ready to cheer on the Dawgs. -hailtogeorgia
+ $Texas
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 20, 2010 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions
same here
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 19, 2010 5:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I feel bad for whatever team throw Teixeira money at him this offseason. There is no way that body can handle a full career. In fact, I can’t think of a single big fat guy that had a good long career at some place other than DH without really falling off (Babe Ruth being Babe Ruth aside).
of course, Kirby did die from a bacon overdose after he retired
"I should have followed Rhyno's advice..." Mr. Sanchez 06/18/2010
I would have hated him more in '91
If I knew his son was going to turn out to act like a little girl.
ummm, sorry, but fail. You want a fat guy playing baseball in his prime? See Ruth, George Herman(Babe).
"I should have followed Rhyno's advice..." Mr. Sanchez 06/18/2010
well, its actually about 20 up, but true you did already mention Ruth. I’ll throw out Mo Vaughn then.
"I should have followed Rhyno's advice..." Mr. Sanchez 06/18/2010
mvhsbball
I hate the Phillies so much...
by frozendesert on Jul 19, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
can’t forget Fernando the old Dough Boy himself, pitching for the Dodgers.
"I should have followed Rhyno's advice..." Mr. Sanchez 06/18/2010
As someone said before...
This can’t be real, since he’d never throw away a good cheeseburger. But still, you know he’d have one on him.
"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backwards in a mirror." ~George Carlin
by FineHamAbounds on Jul 21, 2010 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't remember
Ever seeing a guy stay in the game in spite of plunking someone after the double warning, as Riske did after hitting Glaus yesterday. I don’t blame Bobby for arguing that one.
"There was a time when we'd take a guy like you in the back and beat you with a hose." - Captain O'Hagan
Have you seen any explanation of that?
I was completely and utterly baffled. I thought it was automatic.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Silencio
I won’t be holding my breath waiting for someone to spell it out, either.
"There was a time when we'd take a guy like you in the back and beat you with a hose." - Captain O'Hagan
According to Mark Bowman, Cox will serve his suspension on Tuesday, Venters will appeal his. Hopefully the appeal process will drag out at least long enough for EOF to get off the DL.
"I should have followed Rhyno's advice..." Mr. Sanchez 06/18/2010
If this makes it so
that there is bad blood between the Brewers Organization and the Braves Organization, it will have been completely worth it. Why? If Frank Wren decides to not trade with Milwaukee based on this incident, and avoid them for a while, we will not trade for Corey Hart. That’s a win, in my book.
I hate the Phillies so much...
by frozendesert on Jul 19, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
wow, great point, never thought of that.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 19, 2010 5:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Brewers are nothing but Braves wanna-be's, anyway
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 19, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently their manager is nothing but a little cry baby. Fuck him. And Fuck the Brewers.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 19, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
This
Don't kiss an ass if it's in the process of shitting on you.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
the highlight on atlantabraves.com
is pretty funny with the sound off… reading bobby’s lips is priceless:
"I should have been like, 'Thank you, new guy. Don’t try the veal!'" - Chief Noc-A-Homa (Hohn's offspring)
“No ****ing way, there’s no way. No, Stop! There’s no ****ing way, thats bull****! No ****ing way…….are you crazy? That was a breaking ball.” I’ve gotten good at reading Bobby’s lips.
lmfao
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 19, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
asking Joe West if he’s crazy? hello bobby, where have you been? you shouldn’t have to ask that.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 19, 2010 6:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
After being gone all weekend and catching up on everything today...
The thing that suprised me the most about all this is that the Brewers, their players and their fans seem to think the Braves would care about them enough to go through all this on purpose. Yeah we don’t get emotional with the Phillies, Mets or Marlins, nope, just the perrenial champions know as the Brewers.
Yankees Bullpen Relief = KK/Chavez package
They give us a briefcase of moolah
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 19, 2010 5:33 PM EDT reply actions
This is bullshit
I’m going to paste a Prince Fielder poster to the middle of my softball pitching target board. What a crybaby and worse, what an over reaction by MLB. Did they actually watch Saturday and Sunday’s games?
THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.
yea,what he said
A baseball diamond is, most simply, the intersecting of four 90-foot baselines, and, most powerfully, the intersecting of seemingly random lives.
totally
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Thomas Paine, maybe?
Give me liberty, or give me death type stuff.
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 20, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
It was Thomas Paine – Common Sense.
Give me Liberty was Patrick Henry, and it was a speech, not a written publication.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 20, 2010 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh, I have a history degree, so don’t feel too badly.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 20, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
mlb double standards
what a unique story
by DogDaysofSummer on Jul 19, 2010 5:56 PM EDT reply actions
I was unaware that Little Guys would intentionally throw at dudes the size of a car....
But since that mean little Johnathan Venters is SUCH a headhunter, I’m hereforth calling him “Pedro Clemens” ;)
The Brewers are just cry babies. Instead of taking care of it on the field and acting like
grown ups, Macha has to go whine and cry to MLB like someone stole his candy.
From wikipedia
Selig had been a minority owner of the Milwaukee Braves and had led unsuccessful efforts to keep them from moving to Atlanta
LeBron will never answer the front door at his home......due to the fact that his doorbell has no RING!
MLB said in a release that Cox has been suspended “for the intentional actions of Venters after a warning had been issued to the pitcher following the first intentional pitch thrown at Fielder.”
That doesn’t make sense.
Kawakami - 1, Halladay - 0
They suspend the manager for not doing his job and controlling the player, it actually does make sense when you think about it.
Well that's what I mean
They’re assuming that Bobby told Venters to issue that plunking. In most cases, isn’t it amongst the players to decide whether or not retribution is necessary? I wouldn’t think the manager would have anything to do with that.
Kawakami - 1, Halladay - 0
lolwut
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 19, 2010 7:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is freakin' insane
What the hell is Bud Selig thinking? Oh, right, he probably isn’t.
Atlanta Hawks=the team that drafted big $$$$$$$$$ instead of big men.
Bud's thinking
“Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…hotttttttttttttt doggggggggggggs…”
"There was a time when we'd take a guy like you in the back and beat you with a hose." - Captain O'Hagan
Dang
Will this lead to further decreases of “plunking”? I like that aspect of the game. Guess Im old school. Plus players today are to whinny
Man OH Man
I must admit I saw the game footage finally today and while Venters did throw the ball over Fielder head and on the next pitch hit him in the back region I must admit four games is crazy. I believe Cox should have gotten a one game but Venters at the most should have gotten two but FOUR ARE FREAKING KIDDING ME ?? NOW with Eric O’ on the DL and Dunn in the MLB and Venters gone we only have two lefties in our Bullpen and we have the first place Padres in four three games ??? Thank you fat a!@# Prince next time many Venters should break your jaw that is if he could find it under all the fat. YOU WILL NEVER BE WHAT YOU FATHER WAS PRINCE EVER AND YOU SURE AS HECK WILL NEVER BE AS GOOD OF A PLAYER, MAN, OR SPORTSMAN !
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jul 19, 2010 8:42 PM EDT reply actions
So he'll never be a gambler who fades at the age of 30 and steals money from his kid's first contract?
Somehow, I’m sure Prince will struggle on.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 19, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, we got to watch his daddy eat his way out of the league
This time around should be even better. 290 pound struggling Yankees DH in three or four years anyone?
"If you were going to make a Mount Rushmore of managers, Bobby's one of them."
-Mike Scioscia
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jul 19, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Piss on his father, too.
He can kiss my ass, too. Did the mock chop at the Yankees’ victory parade in ’96.
"There was a time when we'd take a guy like you in the back and beat you with a hose." - Captain O'Hagan
are you the designated guy to tell us how well he is doing?
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
the ratio of kool-aid drinking positive posters to pessimists is much too high
i’m here to balance it out
plus, that trade was awful
by kbertling353 on Jul 19, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok who cares?
It’s over and done with. You just have to deal with having Gonzo at SS now. Bringing it up over and over isn’t going to bring Yuney back, nor will it cause the trade to be undone. By now everyone knows where everybody’s opinion lays.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
one comment.
“Yunel is 2-3 with a homer.”
isn’t a demand to have everyone discuss the trade.
nothing else is going on even semi-braves related. so, talking about a guy that was on our team five days ago seems like an OK thing to do.
by kbertling353 on Jul 19, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it was 1 comment. But it’s a hot button issue. What kind of replies were you expecting lol?
"Give him the heater Ricky."
eactly
let it go, he’s gone, and he’ll do well because he’s a talented player. No use crying over spilled milk.
You would think that he has a good track record as a good hitter or something.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 20, 2010 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Yuni sucks balls
he’ll have a good start with them and then fizzle like he did with the Braves… it’s his honey moon period up north.
"If I had known I was going to live this long I'd have taken better care of myself" ~ Mickey Mantle
And this is related to the suspensions how? And this is related to the Braves how? He no longer plays for us, so does it really matter how good or bad he plays?
"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson
by sleezer1788 on Jul 19, 2010 10:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
we have no OT
and if you take the time to look around this thread, you’ll discover a ton of off topic material.
WHAT DOES PRINCE FIELDER BEING A VEGETARIAN HAVE TO DO WITH DA BRAVES HURR DURR.
and to answer your question, he matters because we traded him away a few days ago for a same position MLB player. the two should be compared. you have to evaluate a trade somehow.
by kbertling353 on Jul 19, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll back you up…if a thread ever stayed on topic it would be consider unusual and thats the nice thing, generally the conversations go different ways and it is entertaining…
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Then make a separate post for this. We really don’t need to see your opinion of this trade (especially since we already know what it is) on every thread.
And your example is pretty poor. Prince Fielder is a topic in this thread. Yunel is not.
"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson
by sleezer1788 on Jul 19, 2010 10:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no please don’t encourage a separate post just for this information….
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
actually, I wouldn't mind it...
give the people who can’t get over moving Yunel to keep their bitching in one place, like the rosterbation post.
You know you would be tempted to take a peek – like a trainwreck.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 20, 2010 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions
discussing where posts should be located
has nothing to do with “Braves’ Cox and Venters Suspended”
this is off topic and should be moved to separate place
by kbertling353 on Jul 19, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, and if I felt compelled to make a comment about it constantly, I would probably make a spot for it…
"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson
by sleezer1788 on Jul 19, 2010 10:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rec’d.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 20, 2010 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions
flagged as troll
I’m a Yunel Escobar fan,and I really hope that he has a great 2nd half in Toronto, but that’s about it. As a Braves fan, I don’t really give a shit anymore about Escobar. When I come onto Talking Chop, I don’t want to see your name in every thread listing Yunel’s line for that night. Maybe its cute the first few times, but its going to get old fast.
If you want to compare notes in the offseason and rehash whether the trade was good/bad, go ahead. But please stfu and stop posting this shit.
Wow. Someone pissed in your cheerios.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 20, 2010 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Braves starting SS before the trade: .238/.334/.284/.618
Braves starting SS after the trade: .231/.375/.308/.683
Looks like a slight improvement from our side of the fence.
You can tell us about how Yunel does all day long, but it’s completely irrelevant. He’s not facing the same pitchers, he’s not hitting in the same ballpark, he’s not batting in the same place in the order, etc. It’s all circumstantial.
The only thing we can rely on as an actual comparison is how Gonzalez does in Atlanta compared with how Yunel was doing in Atlanta before the trade. So far, it’s a slight improvement.
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by cthabeerman on Jul 20, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
yours was flagged for personal attacks.
and yea, it’s pretty noteworthy that he’s doing so well directly after the trade.
What are you?
Five years old? Oh, you flagged me so I’ll flag you! hehehehehe.
Anyways, you’re posting all these updates because, “it’s pretty noteworthy that he’s doing so well directly after the trade.”
What?!
A struggling player, traded to a new team, suddenly breaks out and starts performing? OMG! That is shocking! I’ve never heard of something like that ever happening before in baseball.
/end sarcasm.
Obviously Yunel will play better in the 2nd half. Hell, he has to given his career numbers and how bad of a first half he had. That’s not why the Braves got rid of him. Otherwise players like Chavez, Cabrera, and McLouth would be gone too. The Braves got rid of him because of his attitude in the clubhouse (which is pretty damn evident from all the comments of the players after the trade – including the stand up ovation for Alex Gonzalez). If you can’t accept or understand that, then I guess you will keep following Yunel’s stat lines every single night. I just hope at some point the light bulb goes on.
all these updates?
i believe that’s one in this thread and another a few days ago.
and i do realize the importance of chemistry—-but that doesn’t excuse the fact that we sold extremely low on yunel and declined two better packages (one from Boston, one from Tampa).
yunel has been FAR more valuable than AGon over his career and will remain more valuable in the future.
conclusion: yunel>AGon by miles. if we were dead-set on trading him, we should have gotten much more than we did.
can you agree on these points or is it hopeless?
by kbertling353 on Jul 19, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure everyone agreed on these premises. The point now being made is that he isn’t a Brave anymore, thus we don’t care about his daily stats (unless he’s on someone’s fantasy team).
"Give him the heater Ricky."
this
He’s starting to get some big time points on my fantasy team
SS
Is my worst position. I’ve been burning through crap the whole season. I’m waiting out a few more days before I switch from Barmes to Escobar.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
Side note
What did you think would happen when Esco went to the land of homeruns? I totally expected him to start hitting them. The rest of the Jays do for sure.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
Better packages?
Please, enlighten me.
We got a solid shortstop with a hot bat with two decent prospects. In return we dumped a demoralizing player who was performing very poorly. For that reason, Yunel is NOT better than Alex Gonzalez. Not for the Braves. You seem to keep forgetting or ignoring the fact that the Braves are in first place, and want to keep it that way. When August rolls around and the playoff race is a little tight, or in October when we’re in a tight playoff game, you don’t want someone like Yunel on your roster.That’s all it boils down to.
And your comment," . if we were dead-set on trading him, we should have gotten much more than we did" is laughable. If Frank Wren made this trade, its obviously the best trade in the Braves interest. Its not like you’re smarter than him or understand the situation better. I think that’s the most amusing part about this whole argument.
We got a solid shortstop
career sub 700 OPS and sub 300 OBP isn’t solid.. .not by a longshot
You seem to keep forgetting or ignoring the fact that the Braves are in first place, and want to keep it that way
by that logic, yunel should be left on the team because he was our starting shortstop when we compiled our first place record
if we were dead-set on trading him, we should have gotten much more than we did" is laughable. If Frank Wren made this trade, its obviously the best trade in the Braves interest.
and remind me why that’s the case, again? the rays offered a package around reid brignac and the red sox offered a package around marco scutaro. if the prospects were anywhere near B/C level, those packages would be more attractive (particularly the brignac deal).
just because frank wren is the gm of the braves, doesn’t mean he can’t panic and make bad trades. hell, omar minaya and dayton moore are gm’s.
by kbertling353 on Jul 19, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright
Once last parting shot then I’m heading to bed.
In regards to the solid shortstop bit – I was referring to defense, not the bat.
That also leads into your second argument – your logic says that since we were in first place with Yunel struggling, we should have kept him! Following that logic, if we were in first place with a poor batting shortstop, then we should stay in first place with a poor batting shortstop (assuming that’s how Gonzalez plays out this year). Right?
Also, you ignored the next sentence when quoting me. Here’s the rest of it: “When August rolls around and the playoff race is a little tight, or in October when we’re in a tight playoff game, you don’t want someone like Yunel on your roster.That’s all it boils down to.” To reemphasize, no matter how bad Gonzalez’s bat is, he’s an upgrade over Yunel because of his attitude. ::sigh:: How many times am I going to have to repeat that?
And finally, obviously its not that Frank Wren can’t make a bad trade. I just think its funny that you’re judging the trade as a failure already when its not even a week old. And this is after the trade was orchestrated by a guy who has made some really good moves in the last 12 months. Sure, he’s not infallible, but unless you’re blind you can see this is best for the Braves in 2010. And that’s all I want as a fan right now.
oh, i understand SSS. these past three games have absolutely no impact on how i view the trade.
by kbertling353 on Jul 19, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
where did you hear that those packages were offered to us?
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Rob Bradford’s tweet about Boston:
“FWIW: #Braves didn’t inquire about Scutaro from #RedSox for Escobar deal. Only talked with #BlueJays. Some Sox fans had inquired. #mlb”
Jerry Crasnick’s tweets about Tampa Bay:
“For what it’s worth, I heard today that Tampa Bay expressed interest in SS Yunel Escobar before the Braves traded him to Toronto.”
“Was also told that Reid Brignac’s name was part of the talks. Not sure why it didn’t work out and ATL made the deal with Toronto”
Neither of these tweets, the only sources of those trade rumors, state that those players were offered. If reid brignac’s name was a part of the talks and the braves didn’t go that way, it was probably because the rays wanted yunel, the braves said give us brignac, and the rays said no. The boston rumor is just a response to fan curiosity, not even a substantial rumor.
Regardless
Of whether or not the pitch(es) were intentional, I’m just shocked by the four game suspension.
I realize that’s close to the norm for starters since they only pitch once every five games (so in effect they miss one out), but for a reliever that’s like missing two or three appearances. Against a big series vs. the Padres, there was definitely high probability that Venters would appear in all three games. So to me, the bigger surprise is not necessarily the suspension but more the length. I think if it was one or two games I wouldn’t be so pissed about it, but four games is way too much.
Anyways, Venters will more than likely appeal, and hopefully (at the very least) the appeal will allow him to face the Padres. Also, I’m not sure what can be raised in the appeal process, but maybe Braves will have a chance to discuss how Macha/Riskee or however you spell his name should have been tossed and suspended too.
personally, i don't think anybody should be suspended
but four games is a HUGE overreaction by the league
by kbertling353 on Jul 19, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i think with the power of the union, MLB has started doling out bigger suspensions knowing they are gonna cave like little bithces as soon as the MLBPA tells them too (now admittedly in this case its good that the MLB will act like a lil bitch, as it benefits us)…the MLB knows this will end as a 2 or 3 game suspension, and if thats what they want they give out a bigger one just to look like they are compromising (or at least thats my take)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Who knows
I don’t keep track of suspensions around the league, the only one I can really remember this year was the one against Cliff Lee. Still, I don’t really get the feeling that the MLB is “cracking down” on players and then planning to reduce suspensions after the appeal.
But who knows what the thinking was behind this suspension, it just seems questionable for so many reasons. At the end it probably just boils down to, if X player is ejected for hitting a batter after being warned, he’ll get Y games suspended.
no the suspension is crazy no matter how you look at it, all im syaing it the MLB probably looks at this as a 203 game suspension and hands out 4 knowing they union is going to appeal. then they settle at 2-3 games
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
In other news
This is good news, too!
Phillies lose and Mets are already down 6-0 to the Dbacks.
If results stay as they are, Braves will gain .5 on each team without doing any work, and tomorrow we will wake up with the Mets behind by 5.5 games and the Phillies behind by 6. Yeah, the Phillies 6 games out of first place.
Check out the fanshot on the Phillies article.
Hilarious.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
you mean this???
SWING AND A DRIVE, BELTED RIGHT…..and McCann makes the catch by the dugout.
by Hudson's Soul Patch on Jul 19, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
that article was pretty pathetic
SWING AND A DRIVE, BELTED RIGHT…..and McCann makes the catch by the dugout.
by Hudson's Soul Patch on Jul 19, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't get much past the first couple of sentences.
Delusional fruitcakes are bad enough in the stands. Seeing one with professional credentials just depresses me.
"There was a time when we'd take a guy like you in the back and beat you with a hose." - Captain O'Hagan
There isn't much separating the two pitching staffs?
What? Plain stupid
in terms of production this year in regards to the Starters.
the FIP and ERA is 20 points lower on the Braves side
but xFIP is 20 points lower for the Phils
but there is still plenty else wrong with that article…i would take Wagner over Lidge anyday…LIdge is really good when he is on, but is very inconsistent (if you could guarantee each player at their best, its finally close, but I’m taking Wagner) Not to mention our pen is approximately 1000 times deeper and better than the Phils.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Our pen and rotation is deeper
Besides Hallday and I guess Hamels, I see how their rotatiion compares to us. And the pen, come on. Do I need to say anything?
sick... just sick
any respectable baseball team would move him to the pitching coach role at best… it’s just annoying watching him loob the ball up there and get some sucess just by being freakishly weak. I think that hitters feel sorry for him and don’t hit b/c of that
"If I had known I was going to live this long I'd have taken better care of myself" ~ Mickey Mantle
I’m actually like Moyer. I don’t actually think he is great or anything but doing what he’s doing and at his age, you gotta respect that. You can’t hate him simply because the Braves (and many other teams) have the occasional inept hitting spells when he pitches.
He may throw “junk” but it’s better junk than I could throw and I’m significantly younger…but who isn’t?
"Give him the heater Ricky."
i had respect for Nolan Ryan while he was towards the end of his career… Moyer reminds me of a high school freshman that gets thrown in the varsity game just to throw the other team way out in front – it’s just not MLB.
"If I had known I was going to live this long I'd have taken better care of myself" ~ Mickey Mantle
thats basically how i feel, there rotation is close to ours…we are better, but you could make an argument that could trick someone less informed….but no one would beleive that their pen is even a ML bullpen compared to ours…our AAA bullpen is close to the Phillies bullpen
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
sorry
I meant I don’t see how their rotation compares to ours. Moyer, Blanton, and Kendrick? vs. Lowe, Hanson, and Medlen. Matchup their best pitcher this year out of the group (Moyer) and our worse (Lowe), I like our chances to win.
ya i wouldnt wouldnt argue but Halladay is really good and better than Hudson or JJ…Hamels is probably as good as JJ, i dotn think their rotation is as good as ours, but it also helps to have the best pitcher, but our depth is clearly better, KK is better than Kendrick
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
xfip would be lower because they play in such a home run park. If you adjust actual home runs to just a percentage of fly balls, it will definitely go down. xFIP is a cop out in this case
It's pretty obvious
That Fielder has gained planet status and that Venters pitch simply got sucked into his orbit. It’s science.
by RobWoods on Jul 19, 2010 11:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Prince fielder should be amarked man next times he comes down to Atlanta, I’d suggest a few bunts down the 1B line followed by forearms to the head.
that’s Busch league. Braves are a classy franchise and wont resort to that, although it’d be interesting to see lol.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
Not like it hasn’t happened before. Though I do remember a baby Glavine having to plunk Dale Murphy. That was hilarious.
A while back but...
anybody remember when the Cubs plunked Edgar Renteria? And on the next pitch he stole second, slid late and used the edge of the bag to sprinboard up and deliver a forearm shiver to Fontenot (or Theriot?), who was playing in his very first major league game. That was brutal. Nearly knocked the kid out cold, bloodied his nose real bad and the took a real, hard look in at the pitcher and the opposing dugout.
That's how pros handle it
By themselves, on the field. They don’t sit in the corner and cry until Angel Hernandez comes over to wipe away their tears.
"There was a time when we'd take a guy like you in the back and beat you with a hose." - Captain O'Hagan
Yeah..
That stroll down the first base line with Princey was pathetic.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
IMO
Major league baseball should just keep their hands off of situations like these. They always come across looking like they run a little league for 4 to 12 year olds.
Baseball in the majors is played by a bunch of men… they have balls and this testosterone stuff. If makes them big, strong, and sometimes angry. So when someone pisses someone else off then retaliation may happen. From the sounds of things Fielder is a jerk. So maybe Venters did pitch at him. Then again Fielder is the size of at least two people and likely to get plunked a lot on accident. Either way let the players figure it out.
What should have happened did. Milwaukee plunked two of our guys in retaliation the next day because they thought it was on purpose. That should have been it. Now we got suspensions and nonsense from MLB because they think they are big shit and tell everyone to play a sport like nice kids.
I think warning should only be given if both teams pitch at a player. How is it fair at all to issue warnings after Milwaukee hits two of our guys? Where is the Braves chance for redemption if they so choose? This is why the current system doesn’t work. Basically we just have bad blood now that will probably carry on into the future now with the Brewers because umps and MLB don’t allow common sense.
P.S. get the hell over this Escobar thing, or go be a Jays fan. It’s just old already.
Let's just say
Venters threw at him on purpose, and in the clubhouse went on to say that he did it on purpose. Last year that’s exactly what Bobby"hegawn"Jenks did, and what happened? No suspension and a $750 fine. There’s no consistency.
by ConradsComrades on Jul 20, 2010 1:17 AM EDT reply actions
Does anyone else think Angel Hernandez looks alot like Mike Rowe?
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 20, 2010 1:22 AM EDT reply actions
Well that’s one way to get Jonny some rest.
by get swoll yunel on Jul 20, 2010 2:12 AM EDT reply actions
another reason why MLB managment sucks, plus..
if fielder’s belly takes half of home plate how can u think he was throwing at him…
too much crap
bobby will enjoy his day off, and Venters will end up with a two day suspension… fielder will remain fat and all of us have wasted too much work time reading this.
"If I had known I was going to live this long I'd have taken better care of myself" ~ Mickey Mantle
by jcparr on Jul 20, 2010 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The suspension is ridiculous.
Why on earth would Venters purposely, after airmailing a pitch over Fielder’s head and getting warned by the ump, immediately come back with a pitch even close to hitting the guy? I agree that in that situation Venters probably should have been ejected even if it was a mistake, just because he’d been warned not to do it again—and he did. But to suspend the guy for four games is uncalled for. Cox’s suspension is extra-nuts, because it implies that he had anything to do with it, and I can guarantee he didn’t give the sign for “hit the guy, even if it means you get ejected.”
I also don’t blame Prince Fielder for getting a little pissed. Venters accidentally hitting him after the warning would certainly seem deliberate, just because the ump warned Jonny about the consequences of just that. And anyone who is angry with Prince, well, he didn’t issue the suspension. He gave Venters a mean look, but I can’t say I wouldn’t have in his situation, and it looked like it took Venters 2 tries to hit him.
"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backwards in a mirror." ~George Carlin
PF and obviously the Brewers, are whiny bitches.
I guess it matters who you whine to.
IMO, this is beyond preposterous. Especially when you consider the “warning” the very next game went unenforced.
Bobby indicated he and Macha were on the same page of what happened after the two had a conversation, I guess someone said one thing and did another.
We’ll serve whatever suspensions are imposed, and the Braves will show once again that they can overcome yet another example of partiality of the MLB and come out on top.
"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West
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