Atlanta Braves Fan Confidence Poll
by gondeee on Jul 19, 2010 11:00 AM EDT
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PrintIf it's Monday, then it's the Atlanta Braves fan confidence poll "Classic." As always, this poll and therefore your confidence level should encompasses several areas of the team. These areas include, but are not limited to, the team’s ownership, current management, talent, minor-league system, and general playing ability on the field. The poll will stay open for 48 hours, and then the results will be posted and graphed against the previous weeks.
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My personal confidence plummets
Any office that trades Escobar at 27 for Gonzalez at 33, or even Escobar at 33 for Gonzalez at 27…I have no confidence in. Gonzalez’s career OBP of .294 is atrocious and its amazing that he is still a major league baseball player. I was pretty upset to get Melky on this team, but I’d rather have a team comprised of 8 Melkys and a pitcher than have 1 Gonzalez. It’s easy to have a career year when you are the worst hitter in a big time power lineup in a hitters park. Now we get Escobar’s worst half season to start with, and an even worse 2nd half from Gonzalez. And Toronto gets a career first half from Gonzalez and most likely a career 2nd half from Escobar.
Sorry, I know this argument is soo last week but I needed to get that off my chest. I’ve honestly lost confidence in that front office. This was a really bone-headed move.
Escobar was unfocused, made way too many mistakes and was in a season long slump
he was also creating issues in the dugout apparently
I have no problem with the trade, Gonzo is a very capable shortstop and can hit as well. Escobar was not hitting at all
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Jul 19, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Bone headed moves or not, I still trust our line-up and great pitching. The front office is disturbingly weird, but I sit at a nine because I know the team is doing great. (First place—Heyward back, Diaz and McCann looking good at the plate etc.)
Until we lose first place, I’m not going to lose confidence.
Poets are like baseball pitchers. Both have their moments. The intervals are the tough things. ~Robert Frost
Who knows...
My confidence is still pretty high after the trade. Yes the trade by numbers may look bad, but there are other things to consider such as attitude and hair to consider.
i was a nine last week but
the news of McLouths return has me a little nervous this week. the esco trade is still a very iffy move for me as well. did anyone else notice that esco hit a grand slam days after we dumped him. talk about a kick in the pants.
Oh I noticed
Hes raking over there. Why you might ask? Because just like Gonzo, he’s the least feared hitter in a power lineup in a hitters park. Escobar’s numbers for the 2nd half are going to dominate Gonzos. Not to mention we traded potentially the best defensive SS in baseball at 27 with a few years left of control. Other than the hair there is no justifiable reason for this trade. If he was such a poison in the clubhouse, then why not trade him in the off season when he was considered one of the best SS in baseball and no reason to believe he would fall off? And once again, if hes such a poison, then why are we still in 1st? It couldnt have been so bad that we dump him for nothing. We didn’t horribly need his power bat. He was actually coming around and hitting more line drives and gappers, and saving the 2nd most runs in baseball (referencing a previous post that showed he was the 2nd best defensive player in baseball behind Zobrist). Defense isnt everything, but when its THAT good, yes, I’d say his defense outweighed his offense. This trade really makes me feel like we could be in for a collapse…
I like Frenchy the man, but not Frenchy the player. Similar to that, I liked Escobar the player (except his few lapses) but definitely not Esco the man. He was haughty and regularly indifferent of what happened. Not always—but enough where it mattered. Team chemistry is more important than defensive ability.
Poets are like baseball pitchers. Both have their moments. The intervals are the tough things. ~Robert Frost
but...
All we keep hearing about is how great team chemistry has been this year. Some players say its the best chemistry they have ever seen on a team. So one player clearly hasn’t brought us down, considering we had the best record in the NL at the time of the trade. Either way that brings me back to the point that if they had such a problem with him and they thought team chemistry was so important, we shoulda traded him at the peak of his value, not when its at its lowest point it has ever been. In the off season we could have gotten a monster package for him. At least monster compared to the 2 guys we got. A career setup man and a career pinch runner.
Assumptions
You’ve made a ton of assumptions with very little data to back it up. Escobar was mired in a horrible offensive year. He’s been great in the past but that doesn’t mean a thing. Even if Escobar goes on to have a great second half of the season, which I’m not convinced he will, that doesn’t mean he would have prospered had he continued to play with the Braves. Esco is a strong defender, hard to argue that, but everyone acts like Gonzo is a slouch, which he certainly isn’t. As good as Esco? No, but not far behind either. He has already made a couple outstanding plays in his 4 games with the Braves. If he had Esco’s arm, there would be a pretty legitimate argument that there isn’t a downgrade at all.
A couple weeks ago when I saw rumors that Esco might be traded I was pretty disappointed. I’ve always liked him, but the game the weekend before the allstar break where he got Glaus hurt because he nonchalantly threw the ball to him pissed me off. Even then I probably would have forgiven him, had he not earlier in the same inning failed to catch a pop up which he called, just because he didn’t hustle. He jogged out to the ball, called off Blanco, and then let the ball drop a foot behind him. Absolutely ridiculous.
Data
Gonzalez is a career .294 OBP. And thats not a small sample size. Thats 12 seasons. That is absolutely pathetic. And to prove my point about the ballpark and being the least feared hitter in a power lineup, Escobar hit another HR tonight. Thats right, 0 HR all season and already 2 since the trade. Goes to show you about how inflated the stats are in Toronto. Which means Gonzalez will come back down to earth for us. And earth for Gonzalez is worse than a replacement player. We went out and got a terrible player for a really good player. AWESOME!
you don’t care to acknowledge the reality of the situation. a troublemaker on a team making a championship run is a cancer. that is the beginning and the end of story. FW apparently needed to make the move. addition by subtraction. insofar as you aren’t on the inside, in the clubhouse, in the dugout, you don’t know exactly why it had to happen, but it did.
BFD. Let the guy play ball, all these old saws about “winning clubhouses” and “team chemsitry” be d*mned.
What does it matter? So the other players hate him? Again, BFD. As long as the dude hits and fields, I could give a good G*dd*mn how he gets along with others.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
side note
escobar was not hitting this year
As long as the dude hits and fields, I could give a good G*dd*mn how he gets along with others.
I agree. And the Braves did as well, apparently. He stopped hitting, he got traded.
It’s easy to put up with antics like his when he’s hitting .300. Not so easy when he’s hitting .240 with 12 XBH on the season (for the record, that’s fewer than Diaz and tied with McLouth). McLouth and Hicks are the only two position players with worse SLG% on the season.
-C
Still a 10
Decent week, overall. I think the trade is a good move. Chipper alluded to that when he said “It’s a lot quieter over there.” Don’t think we need to make any ther trades, unless an offer too good to refuse comes along.
I'm a 1.
How DARE they get beat by Randy freakin Wolf? RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
I voted, just without logging in.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
Cheater. :D
Poets are like baseball pitchers. Both have their moments. The intervals are the tough things. ~Robert Frost
I’m still at a 9. This team wins ugly and nice. They can even come from behind to win. Ultimately, they have been winning series after series.
The minor league system is very good and next few years will be interesting. If Minor is ready for next year and with a glut of other pitching just a year or two away, does anyone feel that Jair Jurrjens will be traded by next year’s deadline since he’s a Boras client?
Yeah, I think Jurrjens will end up being traded. No telling when, but he’s going to get expensive real soon with Minor nearly ready. If Minor gets traded, JJ probably stays another year.
Heyward is pretty good
Yep
I think he will be out. Love the guy in the rotation, but he is a very attractive option for other teams. With our great prospects, we can let his value rise then trade him to someone for a nice prospect package. Hopefully that package includes a major league ready shortstop. Even more hopefully, Yunel Escobar. LOL
i hope Scott Boras
gets a venereal disease that makes him sterile so our children wont have to deal with his children getting every f’ing pro athlete paid waaaaaayyyyyy too much money!
by ChitownBravos on Jul 19, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Started to click 9
but ended up an 8….Why? we only split with the Brew Crew….Our Hitting did not improve till the last game of the series…I really, really disagree with the opinion of the “oh no we traded Escobar” crowd. As far as I can tell “The Axe” (new nick name for Alex Gonzo?) Seems a much more focused player…an with/out going into a long explanation I refer to an input by one of our members that said “most people have a breakout year at age 25”
I go one step further….since Unel’s “Breakout” he has emerged with a lack of focus that raises its ugly head at the worst of times. I think this has to be a major warning sign that however great his offensive numbers may have become and however great most of his defensive plays…..The “bonehead” ones were game crushers….added to this his need to try pull every damn ball reminded me of Andruw Jones…I hate to compare in anyway AJ with him because Andruw’s defense never lacked focus and when the game was on the line rose to new hights!
In conclusion we are left with the age difference…The Axe is 33 top age for Short Stop?
I don’t know ask Cal Ripken (yes, last few years moved to 3rd)
I’d like to thank the 15 Brewers fans for meekly attempting to sink the fan confidence number
"My God! Good news fans, the Braves are showing signs of life for the first time in weeks. As a matter of fact, they appear to be beating the crap out of each other."
by bravos1984 on Jul 19, 2010 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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