Braves To Activate Nate McLouth On Tuesday
by gondeee on Jul 19, 2010 10:17 AM EDT
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PrintWhen the Braves open their series against the National League's best team, the San Diego Padres (cough, cough, eyes bulge, what?), the Braves will finally be at full strength for the first time in months. Center fielder Nate McLouth is expected to be activated from the disabled list on Tuesday. McLouth has been out for over a month after suffering a concussion when colliding with a freight train Jason Heyward in the outfield.
Mark Bowman reports that the Braves will likely demote Gregor Blanco to make room for McLouth on the 25-man active roster. How weird is it that demoting "Gregor Blanco" to activate Nate McLouth may viewed as a bad move, or a move that could weaken the team. Bowman breaks it down:
But with the July 31 trade deadline approaching, the Braves need to get McLouth back in their lineup. The probability of GM Frank Wren making a move this month will be greatly affected by what McLouth shows over the course of the next week.
Apparently the Braves have convinced McLouth to shorten his swing, which will hopefully speed his bat up. I'll believe it when I see it. Though taking an optimistic tone for a moment, if McLouth can somehow come close to that .450 slugging percentage he posted for a few years before the Braves acquired him, then that's another big power bat that can be added to the lower part of our batting order. That's a big IF though, and I'm not really that optimistic.
I'm starting to see a trend with our acquisitions via trade the last couple of years -- buying players at the peak of their value. I guess it's a consequence of a winning team that they have to acquire players who are actually performing at the time they acquire them, instead of acquiring players with an expectation that they improve their performance in the future.
Speaking of such players, here is a nugget from Buster Olney about a rumored Braves trade target:
Heard this: The asking price for Cody Ross is very, very high, despite the fact that some teams view him as a non-tender candidate.
Yuck. I don't want any part of Cody Ross. He's like Nate McLouth version 2.0, but with less speed.
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Said this in the fanpost...
I hate it for Gregor, but there’s no one else to send down. Chavez and Dunn are the only other candidates, but the Braves need some mop-up guys in the ’pen.
"It wasn’t that it was slippery or anything like that. It was just, dadgum, my hands and the balls were so wet..." - Tim Hudson
by KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) on Jul 19, 2010 10:20 AM EDT reply actions
Dunn
is def not a mop up type guy.
I wouldnt mind sending down Cabrera but im probably alone with that one
by drumzalicious on Jul 20, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I really like this team right now
Even with the ever-changing outfield. I really hope we don’t force some OF trade in a push for the WS. There’s not much on the market right now worth what we should be willing to spend. I really believe we can make it to the World Series with the team we have.
"It wasn’t that it was slippery or anything like that. It was just, dadgum, my hands and the balls were so wet..." - Tim Hudson
by KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) on Jul 19, 2010 10:24 AM EDT reply actions
I liked Ross...
as a right handed, solid bat that could play CF if needed. But then that was before Olney’s comment of a high asking price. I’d been pushing Ross over Hart on the assumption of a much lower price tag (and Ross can play CF while Hart can’t), but if that’s not the case, I retract my past statements on the issue. At the same price, definitely Hart over Ross (although I don’t think either would be worth a true top quality prospect).
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Would the trade price be higher for the Braves as it would be an intradivisional trade, versus someone like the Padres?
we bought vazquez at his lowest point. same with glaus. we released kelly at his lowest value. bought mclouth at peak value. sold yunel at his lowest value. bought agon at his peak value. sold renteria for peak value. Sold frenchy at his lowest value (although he’s just bad overall)
It really seems to be all over the map, but we sure do seem to ride the peaks.
I said the last couple of years, and over that time the “trades” we’ve made have been for McLouth, Melky, and Gonzalez — all at just about their peak value. I’m not considering Church, since that was just a dump of Francoeur.
So that’s 1 out of 4. gondeee’s point still seems valid.
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That is if you lazily accept as true that...
Melky was acquired at peak value, or McLouth also. Gonzalez is much more obvious at a “peak” value than those two.
And your lazy ass still hasn’t put up that “I was wrong” post. I better not have to wait on that damn thing until the end period you gave me (3 years). Damn, you’re lazy.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess I was lazy in that I didn’t think about Cabrera not being at peak value. But I’d say McLouth was. He was coming off a great year and it was early enough that he was still riding that. If it wasn’t peak value then it was just after peak value.
And I can’t believe you don’t get this: I’m lazy. You’ll get the post when I wipe the sleepy out of my eyes.
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There's a Boondocks comic I'd love to throw up right now...
but I’m too lazy find it. Basically the joke is,…
Huey—“How lazy do you have to be to sit on your ass until you hurt yourself?”
Riley—“This is serious man, something must be wrong with these pillows!”
And fair enough on McLouth as he had the All Star appearance and Gold Glove the year before the deal. I guess I’d just be hesitant to call Charlie Morton, Gorkys Hernandez and Jeff Locke as someone at peak value. Morton= right handed Jojo, while Hernandez and Locke were both seemingly topped out at AA and A ball respectively. But I’ll concede McLouth with Gonzo, making it 2 of 4.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Why do you consider Melky at "peak value"?...
I can see it with McLouth and Gonzalez (although I think McLouth is more because he has played poorly this year, not that he was outperforming his past production in Pitt at the time of the deal). But Melky was what he’d always been, it’s not like we got him on a hot tear or with a huge power first half ala Gonzalez.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Calling Melky “peak value” when we got him is pretty ridiculous. I don’t think McLouth was at his peak, either—that would have been coming off of his great first half in 2008 (I think that was the year), when he made the All-Star team. He has never had a half that good since, and certainly wasn’t at as high of a value when we got him.
So really, the only player we’ve acquired recently at the peak of his value is Gonzalez. One player does not a trend make.
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by Jacob Peterson on Jul 19, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
And when you consider the pile of steaming garbage we gave the Pirates...
Then it doesn’t really make a difference what McLouth’s “value was.” You’re right though, he definitely would have commanded more at the 2008 AS break.
Melky was coming off the best season of his career after two bad-to-awful seasons when we traded for him. I guess you could argue that his value might have been higher during/after his rookie year, but his value was clearly much higher after last season than it had been after either of the previous two.
Blanco earned the right to stay, just got bit by a numbers crunch...
but his time so far certainly makes him attractive for a September call up, and if he outplays others maybe even a spot on the post season roster.
I’m a bit surprised to see McLouth up so quickly, as I felt they might give him another week just to hopefully stay in a good groove at the plate and really get back on solid footing, but I guess they think he’s done enough. I hope so, and that’s he back to his past production because that would be a big boost.
On getting him back for evaluating trade needs, I’m just not sure how much we can tell in a week, so I’d hope any decision made on acquiring or not acquiring talent would be independent of McLouth.
i dont get it...
frank wren has been, thus far, a gutsy gm. his decisions have looked pretty good, but if melky cabrera ends the year on this team, i’m going to puke. why is this guy getting a free pass to suck? i sure do hope mclouth comes up hot so we can finally do the right thing and get rid of melkshake. seriously, can anyone give me a reason why he’s on this team? as of right now, according to fangraphs, melky should pay the braves 1.5 million for allowing him to put on their uniform.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4022&position=OF
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Melky has had some solid numbers since the end of April...
now if only he could shed 10-20 pounds.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand
why someone on this thread (which is about McLouth and all his struggles) would be complaining about Melky, who has been better than McLouth, and has actually been semi-useful the past 2 months or so.
Melky would make a great 4th OF. His overall numbers still look bad b/c of his abysmal April, but that was an anomaly. You should not be upset if he’s on the team, or even if he’s playing semi-regularly. (It would be better if we could find a good replacement though, whether that is a rejuvenated McLouth or someone else.)
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by Jacob Peterson on Jul 19, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed..I don't know why the melky-hate..
he’s not that bad..I mean shit..they can’t all be jason heywards.
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by SidGlaus on Jul 19, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
because melky has NO track record!
he’s never been good. he was an overhyped yankees prospect that didnt even have great numbers in the minors. even if you subtract april, you come up with a .727 ops. and it could be hidden if he was a plus defender, which he’s not. hell, he hasn’t been a plus defender since his first 2 years of the bigs (when he was about 20 pounds lighter). the only thing that has saved him from being abyssmal is a plus arm that he gets to show off when a can of corn is hit to him in the outfield.
i dont understand how you can call his april an “anomoly” and not come to the same conclusion for nate’s first 2 months. nate, after coming over to the braves last year, had what some call a “down 2nd half”, which still far surpasses anything that melky can or will do (collecting 11 hr 12 stolen bases and a .773 ops). from july of 2006 to current, nate has been an .800 ops player with an exceptional stolen base% and he’s still in the peak of his career.
why someone on this thread (which is about mclouth and all his struggles) would be complaining about melky is completely justified.
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Fail.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Dick.
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Fail.
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by SidGlaus on Jul 19, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
.304 .341 .435 .775
That is Melky’s last 2 months.
This was his first month: .193 .281 .228 .509
What caused this difference?
Well, his BABIP went from .222 to .338 (IIRC)
Melky has had a very respectable run lately, and your unfounded hate of him based on his first month when the entire rest of the team save Prado and Heyward were horrible is irrational.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, btw, the good numbers are in 180 PAs and the bad numbers are in 132 PAs.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
my hate for melky...
has nothing to do with the “first month”. i dont think he’s a good player and basically every statistical analysis you can find will agree with me…not with you. his BABIP is currently sitting 4 points below his career average.
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Ummm….except the numbers DON’T agree with you.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
what numbers dont agree with me?
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304 .341 .435 .775
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Please
stop picking numbers as you feel to make your arguements. That is not his stat line. Thats an altered stat line to fit your arguement.
Melky did go through a streak when he batted well. But that doesnt erase precious bad streaks. Melky is, at best, a 4th outfielder. And he is starting way to often!
If by “did go through a streak” you mean something that started in mid-May and has continued to this day, and by “picking numbers that fit my argument” you do not include the 130-some PAs that he had at the beginning of the season in which he was abysmal, then I see what you are saying.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 20, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
.304/.341/.435....
Justin,
where did you get those numbers at?? Just curious. I pulled up the splits for him, and in May his OPS .739, in June it was .710 and July it was .742. I guess what’s confusing me is an overall OPS of .775 during that time stretch, but me not seeing a single month where it even is near .775. Unless I’m looking at it wrong.
by dunnytwogloves on Jul 19, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at his game-logs on baseballreference.com
Click on any two games, and it will sum up the totals for whatever length of time you selected.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW, the numbers I posted were from 20 May – 18 June
The other set (the sucky one) was from Opening Day – 19 May.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
cool.
I did not know about that feature. Nice. And in the 2nd post, I guess it should say 18 “July”, instead of June??
by dunnytwogloves on Jul 19, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
So you skipped the last month?...
June 18 (it’s now July).
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ooops. It is supposed to say July.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s the thing. If you’re going to ignore the low outlier you need to ignore the high one too. Melky had a really hot couple of weeks at the end of May, since June 1, however, he’s OPSing .721. Which, quite frankly, seems to be right in line with his career numbers.
That said, he’s still a better option than Nate right now.
Except we have 5 OF right now.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
Please, outside of his slow start (along with just about everyone else’s slow start), can you show me an extended period of time when Melky has sucked this season?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Uh, he was a Yankee and we traded our favorite 1 season pitcher. That must mean he was a totally overhyped Yankee and has thus sucked all season.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
Trick question: we traded a former yankee for him.
*heads explode.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
minor league numbers...
melky rode 31 games of hot hitting to get called up by the yankees. he was overhyped in the minors. he was overhyped as a yankee, and after this year, when we non-tender him, he’ll finally get what he deserves…nothing.
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http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=cabrer001mel
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Yeah, that is guaranteed to not happen.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
oh...he'll get signed...
just not by the braves.
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I mean, that isn’t going out on a limb, but you said he will get nothing. I bet he gets quite a bit. He is a quaility player that many teams would like to have.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Quite a bit for us...
in baseball money, I’d be surprised to see him get more than $20m total, and only that if someone wants to give him 3-5 years. I could easily see Melky being non-tendered though and floating between small offers to either start for a Royals/Pirates team, or be a 4th OF for a contender.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
prove to me that he is quality...
he’s below average in all facets of his game. please, prove he’s not.
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Why do I get the feeling that no matter what numbers I post, you will still want to DFA him?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
PROVE ME WRONG JUSTIN!
HE’S NOT A PLUS DEFENDER ANYWHERE…EVEN FOR HIS CAREER WHICH HAS HIS FIRST FEW SKINNY YEARS FACTORED IN TO SKEW HIS NUMBERS! LOOK AT THE FREAKIN’ STATS!
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4022&position=OF
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he has a plus arm....
that’s it. his UZR is not average.
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i'm really not...
although i type like it. justin and pac just try to chap my ass…which they do quite well :)
My opinion cant be wrong. It's my opinion. Those who don't like it can piss up a rope.
so, now the debate is whether or not he is below average on D, and not just in “every facet of his game?”
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The league average avg/obp/slug last season was: .262/.333/.418
Melky’s was: .274 /.336/.416
So, he was at least average last season.
This season: .260/.329/.406
Melky this season: .259/.316/.351
His numbers aren’t appreciably worse than the average, even with a horrible month to begin the season.
-C
no way...
those are league average numbers for outfielders. even so, i’d say 55 points below league average in slugging is well below average.
My opinion cant be wrong. It's my opinion. Those who don't like it can piss up a rope.
But that isn’t your original claim.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
point to me my original claim...
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prove to me that he is quality… he’s below average in all facets of his game. please, prove he’s not.
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by ryan c on Jul 19, 2010 11:25 AM CDT
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
his OPS
is 68 points below league average. if you dont recall, that’s the NATIONAL LEAGUE WHERE WE BAT PITCHERS!
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Absolutely
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
and by "his game"
unless he’s becomes a SS, 3b, 1b, 2b, C or P, then my point was clear.
you have no argument.
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if melky cabrera ends the year on this team, i’m going to puke. why is this guy getting a free pass to suck? i sure do hope mclouth comes up hot so we can finally do the right thing and get rid of melkshake. seriously, can anyone give me a reason why he’s on this team? as of right now, according to fangraphs, melky should pay the braves 1.5 million for allowing him to put on their uniform.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4022&position=OF
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by ryan c on Jul 19, 2010 9:47 AM CDT
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
and where am i contradicting?
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so....
you’re telling me that the NL’s league average (including pitchers) ops is .735 and melky’s is at .667 and that is not a big difference? 68 points?
take the pitchers if you want it to be accurate and then let the truth be shown. or, for shits and giggles, just calculate outfielders. that comparison would be downright hilarious.
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Of course they would, because Melky absolutely sucked in April – early May. Since then, he has been one of the best hitters on our team.
But, you prefer to focus on his early numbers and suckage and refuse to acknowledge his offensive success over the past 2 months.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
go ahead and fool yourself with that sample size...
the one that you cherry picked from May 20th on…
i’ll stick with the full season and ZIPS updated projections.
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one more thing...
answer my earlier question. which year was his outlier and what cherry picked stat (or month) did you use?
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You are forgetting that he is only 25 years old, and, based on his recent numbers, looks to be improving. He isn’t a superstar, by any means, but he has played well enough over the past 2 months to deserve to play everyday for just about any team in the majors.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
improving?
are you serious? in what facets of his game is he improving?
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this is going nowhere fast...
I guess pop some popcorn and enjoy the show.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It will be boring for you, because I am done. He obviously won’t change his mind, no matter what I post. I could point to his better walk rates over the past few years, leading to his better OBP, I could point to his age and the historical data for players who dont reach their primes until 28 or so, I could point to the fact that he is really hitting the ball really well and being quite an asset to our offense before and during the absences of Heyward and Nate, but no matter what I say, he is going to continue to dislike him.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
you've shown nothing...
just empty words and a may 20th-now analysis.
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Absolutely.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
except his obp or his walk rate isnt better.
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He has one outlying year that throws the trend off. I believe he was about 22 or 23 years old that year.
He is a still-developing player, who is starting to show signs of reaching that highly-touted promise.
And no matter what you think, he is contributing to the success of this team this year.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
melky's ops by years..
’06- .752
’07- .718
’08- .641
’09-.752
’10-.667
wrong once again….
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Since when was this a discussion about OPS?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
good god...
where is the outlier justin? there’s not one.
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would you like obp?
’06- .360
’07- .327
08- .301
’09- .336
’10- .316
where’s the outlier?
want slugging? average? where’s your point?
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.727 ops from may on...
with below average defense.
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.775 since mid-May with a good OBP to boot.
His D is not below average. Maybe for CF, but he is a plus defender in the corners, and the fact that he can play all 3 positions is in itself valuable.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Blanco has been playing over his head. The Braves are right not to buy into his recent hot hitting. McLouth, when he is hitting like his career averages, is a far better player than Gregor. It doesn’t hurt the Braves much to give him a shot for the next 2 weeks. They can always call Blanco back up if Nate still doesn’t have it.
GB has been playing great for us. I think with the influence of Prado and Omar really helps him out and elevates his game. He is taking his walks, playing great defense, executing bunts, moving the runners over etc..i hope sending Blaco to the minor leagues doesnt discourage him or slows him down.
I want Cory Hart but I dont want to give up Teharan or Freeman. I wouldnt mind Mike Minor..
PS Did anyone see Escobar’s stats from last night??? 3-5 GS(1) 5 RBI! WTF!!!
by AlRoBraves95 on Jul 19, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
PS Did anyone see Escobar’s stats from last night??? 3-5 GS(1) 5 RBI! WTF!!!
RABBLE RABBLE WORST TRADER EVER !!!!! RAWR!!!!! RABBLE RABBLE!!!!!
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
we'll never hear the end of it
same for if Charlie Morton figures out how to throw a strike
by drumzalicious on Jul 20, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
This is a move that needs to happen. We have to see if Nate can be a decent player again, and we have to do it now, so we can get him a week or so of games before we have to decide whether to make a trade. I have no idea if Nate can return to form, but I think we have to give him a shot to do so. I feel bad for Gregor, but let’s face it—he doesn’t offer the upside that Nate does.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 19, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
Oh, and
count me among the “Just say NO to Cody Ross” crowd.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 19, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
But on that note, what does a week really tell us?...
If Nate is hot and has 2-3 big games, does that mean we don’t need a CF? If he hits a few hard ones right at guys and has poor stats in next 10 days, does that mean we need to make a move? I just don’t see how relying on the next 7-10 days of McLouth’s production gives us the answer we’re looking for.
Offer Teheran as the core piece for Braun Wren, make it happen NOWish.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
a week is all we’ve got is the problem, I like the Baltimore connection, their young players are being made available and Wren knows them well. Go get Adam Jones and keep our top guys.
Heyward is pretty good
What would he cost though?
would they demand Freeman? Although the 1B market is a bit flush right now, I’d be hesitant on that move. A package starting at Minor, Hoover/Lopez/Perez, Schafer, and one of our bullpen lefties, plus another position prospect (Myke Jones, Cody Johnson, etc)? I’d do 5 for 1 on Jones with his upside and youth.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
you would fice up that much for Jones, but not go Minor for Hart stragith up?
Adam Jones seems like a much bigger risk than Hart (Jones has way more upside)
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
If the Brewers want Sanchez and Bumgarner from the Giants, 2 decent MLB starting pitchers, why would they accept Minor for Hart? The price would be WAY higher it seems to me.
Heyward is pretty good
i didnt say it was a likely trade…read what the comment is…its an ongoing discussion Sanchez and I are having about Hart
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Very Sorry
I was just putting my 2 cents worth in.
Heyward is pretty good
no worries, i agree if the Bumgarner and Sanchez reports are true…no one is gettin Corey Hart….but i doubt the Brewers price is that high….thats a high price for Prince
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
that sounds a lot more reasonable to me
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
But in comparison to Minor...
I think both would be higher thought of (Sanchez having a MLB track record of solid production, Bumgarner being a top prospect the last couple years), so Minor alone still might not cut it.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think by this time next year, if all things remain the same, Minor will be much higher thought of than Bumgarner.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
So does that mean you think Bumgarner's a bum?
since you’ve said how you think Minor’s recent improvements in velocity/etc are not permanent.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
from our conversation he is not a believer in Bumgarner….but ill let him make that statement
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I don’t think he sucks. I just think he is a mid-rotation type guy.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Does that mean you are buying into Minor as better than that?
cause your history had me believing you felt the same about Minor.
ya Justin you are in trouble now….
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I think by this time next year, if all things remain the same, Minor will be much higher thought of than Bumgarner.
If Minor’s velocity and K-rates stay this way (in other words, if they are for real) then yes, he has to be better than Bumgarner, and has to be considered one of the best pitching prospects for 2011.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I have never once said his improvements were not permanant. I said that I am concerned. that it may not be – and that is not an unreasonable concern.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Again...
Hart had the regression from a rookie year to the last two, so I’m of the opinion that his 08 and 09 are closer to what he does instead of this past first half.
Jones, has steadily improved throughout his career, and has started to hit much better of late after a slow start.
I think Hart is a marginal improvement, at best, over Hinske/Diaz platoon, if not worse, with one year remaining on his deal, and thus not worth it. You think better of Hart, so agree to disagree.
But in comparison, Jones is 3 years younger, able to be a part of long term plans as the right handed slugger we lack AND CF next to Heyward, and would be arb eligible for 3 years after this one. Maybe I’ve bought more into the Jones hype than the Hart hype, but that’s just my opinion. The age is the biggest difference though, and the steadily improving vs. short bump after two full seasons of weak production in Hart. I think one is peaking, while the other is yet to peak. Difference of opinion man, I don’t see fault with your thinking nor see where you can find much fault with mine.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
no this is pure curiosity to better understand where you are coming from….its cool, we can disagree
i will admit, Jones has shown more power this year tht i thought a 170-180 ISO is pretty solid for his age…
the big thing is I am looking for important this year and Im not sure Jones offers that… long term he is probably the better choice ( i still don’t like anyone with that low of a walk rate)
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I'll admit, the closer I look at Jones' #s...
that might be overpaying, considering what I’ve said on Hart/Minor. He’s got his flaws too, but age, the hype, and the 3 more years of arb control, plus the ability to play a good CF caught my eye. That said, on closer inspections I think that may be a bit much (although Hoover/Lopez are far enough away to be suspect, as is Schafer with his struggles this year), and can see why you’d think that’s WAY too much for a guy who’s still yet to fulfill his “toolsy” upside.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I really like Schafer, but if we are trading for a young guy like Jones, Schafer mine as well be traded (so he can help in my keeper fantasy league). and then I would offer Minor and one of the trifecta of pitchers, but i dont know how much else I would offer…thats a solid package…if we had to give up a bullpen arm Id be ok, what scared me was those 5 were where you wanted to start with…implying you wouldnt mind adding to that and that i would never do…if those 5 were the final result and we got another prospect i would probably be ok with it.
I think you are coming down on Jones a bit (not a lot), after looking at his number….and I’m coming up to him so by the end of the day we might be able to work out a deal here…now if only those idiots in the respective FOs would listen to us, we’d be good to go.
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Oh, no, it wouldn't go beyond say 5...
and the ones I mentioned were saving Freeman and the big 3 (although with the injury, I’d be more open to dealing Vizcaino if someone was in love with him and waived the physical yet still valued him as an elite arm). If I’m Baltimore and we call about Jones, I’d say Freeman or we can stop talking now.
But of what I rosterbated above, I think it’s not a whole lot, and better than including a big timer. Minor is solid, and looks like a decent P if not better. The lefty is obviously of value although that varies depending on which one (Venters and EOF at the top, Collins or Hyde at the rear). But a Myke Jones or Cody Johnson isn’t a lot to give up in my eyes, I like both as prospects, a lot, but I don’t think it’s too much to give for a young CF like Jones. Schafer, as you say, wouldn’t be as detrimental since Jones plays his spot. Robinson Lopez is a long ways away, as is JJ Hoover, so I wouldn’t mind parting with them.
It’s a big package, but the size is to make up for lacking a Freeman or Teheran, with Minor or the lefty being the closest thing to a sure bet and plenty of flaws in all. I personally don’t think it’d work, cause as I say above, if I’m the Orioles, I’d say Freeman is involved or no deal. Freeman, Minor, and Schafer sounds like a realistic demand from them.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think adam jones is that much of an improvement over mclouth. I’m not up on defensive metrics, so that could be the real difference maker, but hitting-wise, mclouth is far better.
I will defende JOnes here…first off with Andruw leaving a couple years ago,losing Brandon, and CHipper retiring, we need someoen on the big league team named Jones…so theres that
second, even if Adam Jones and McLouth are comparable ofensively, which they are probably, Jones has oodles more upside…and is a much better defender….and is younger and is cheaper and his name is Jones
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
McLouth’s career OBP is 25 points higher and his career slugging is 13 points higher. He strikes out less and is a better base stealer. His defense is not as good, but McLouth doesn’t cost us a slew of prospects.
i didnt say he was better offensively, but long term he is probably th ebetter option althoguh like u say it McLouth don’t cost us any prospects, which is nice
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
What is amazing is how we are in 1st place and almost everyone is/or has been performing below expectations. I guess the bullpen and our bench has really been performing better than expectations IMO. If we can just get everybody to perform anywhere around their averages we’ll really take off.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
I’ve thought that same thing for a while. Pitching, the pen and the bench have been huge this year. If McLouth, Diaz, McCann and Chipper return to form or close to it, this team would be REALLY good.
Heyward is pretty good
Other than Prado, it's been up and down for everyone...
Hinske has had his good moments, but Glaus had the bad April and has struggled the past month or so. Chipper had his struggles, Heap the eye issues, Heyward his thumb problem. We’ve had some big moments, but it’s been pretty rare (other than May), where we’ve been firing on multiple cylinders. I don’t expect everyone to be hot at the same time, but at least a couple of them could be consistent.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to take nothing away from the Braves
because they have fought hard & certain players have stepped up & are stepping up when others were slumping (Prado, Infante, Blanco, & Diaz of late) but it also remains to be said that the Phillies & Mets have been helping our cause by their recent play.
A baseball diamond is, most simply, the intersecting of four 90-foot baselines, and, most powerfully, the intersecting of seemingly random lives.
If the “shorten the swing” plan works, that’s great. If it doesn’t, Ross sounds expensive and not really wanted, Hart can’t play CF and might turn into a bidding war as the Padres, Giants, Braves and possibly others are interested. Didn’t Wren come from Baltimore? What about Adam Jones?
Heyward is pretty good
I’m in the crowd that thinks we can trade for Hart and put Hewyard in CF if McLouth fails….its would be a short term fix for our CF problems (i certainly dont think Heyward should be a regular CF).
it all depends on the price for Hart.
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
They asked for 2 pretty good starting pitchers and a reliever from the Giants,
Heyward is pretty good
It was one or the other, IIRC. Not both.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
In that case, Minor would be a reasonable offer.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Trade Proposal, what do you think Frank?
if Mclouth starts to hit, trade him. The Brewers need a legitimate lead off hitter. Yes, they have Weeks but if they put Mclouth in the leadoff spot and move Weeks down a spot and Braun hits 3rd, thats a sick 1-3 combo with power. include Mike Minor, they need a Major League ready pitcher and I believe MM will be ready for “them” next year. As far as another SP throw in a 2nd tier type of pitcher. Dont give em Teharan or Freeman, NO WAY!
by AlRoBraves95 on Jul 19, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Weeks is one of the better leadoff hitters in baseball he has a very good OBP McLouth is not an upgrade (leadoff wise)
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
With his athleticism and struggles at 2B defensively,...
I honestly wonder if he’d be good in LF. Not for the Brewers obviously with Braun, but for another team like say us.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
there have been rumors of moving him to CF, ala BJ Upton….he said he is a second baseman and doesnt want to move (ala Alfonso)
but there has been conversations about that especially in MLW where they have Lawrie to play 2B when he is ready (although he might be a worse defender than Weeks….MLW the land of beer, brats, cheese, and bad defense)
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
You ain't lying on their horrible D...
it’s across the board bad for them it seems. And that makes sense trying to move him to CF (although like you say Lawrie ain’t an upgrade, nor would be McGehee imo).
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
the move to CF has been shot down by Rickie, but you never know…and if the prospect they just brought up Cain can play then movign Rickie doesnt make sense…
it’s funny how they rebuilt their team to improve their defesne and they are worse than ever….as a Brewer fan it is hard to watch sometimes
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
wait
are you proposing Mike Minor AND another pitching prospect for Hart!?!?!?
no thanks.
by drumzalicious on Jul 20, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd be more interested in Adam Jones...
how much would he command? If we could get him without giving up Teheran or Freeman, that’d be a gorgeous deal.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Not a fan of Adam Jones, he strikes out too much and doesn’t compliment that with a good walk rate or power (so far at least). he has tons of potential and is very toolsy, but that only goes so far and doesnt help us win this year…if this is an offseason deal i can get behind it a bit more.
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
The K/BB is his biggest problem in my eyes...
but he’s supposedly a strong defender, and still just 24 (so room to improve his eye and contact, as well as get stronger). He had 9 HR as a rookie, 19 last year, and 14 already this year. So maybe upside of 25-30+ per?
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope Nate comes back on fire
So then we can put Nate in the 2-hole… I really wish Bobby would move Heyward back to the lower part of the lineup…
Heyward in the 2-spot – .235/.333/.360
Heyward in the 6-spot – .359/.469/.846
I rest my case.
Kawakami - 1, Halladay - 0
i like the idea of mclouth in the 2-hole and heyward in the 6-hole.
Prado
McLouth
Chipper/Omar
McCann/Glaus
Glaus/McCann
Heyward
Hinske/Diaz
Gonzalez
Melky
Only on Heyward’s off days in the rotation.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the difference is the stat lines is more about timing than placement, but I’d like Heyward at the 5 or 6 hole too.
Heyward is pretty good
"in the stat lines"
sorry
Heyward is pretty good
A really big fat THIS.
I just want to see Heyward look hungry for RBIs again. I miss his aggressive streak.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
I think we are fallin gvictim to SSS here…he probably is the same htiter whether in the 2 or the 6 hole…he just had a hot streak int he 6 and has been hurt while in the 2 for most of the time…
its merely a rough correlation not causation.
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
That could be the case
But from what I’ve seen, he looks uncomfortable there. Maybe it’s like he said, maybe he did develop bad habits from the thumb injury, and if that’s the case… I still like the idea of putting him lower in the order to work things out.
Kawakami - 1, Halladay - 0
I think that you could probably plug any other hitter on our team into the 2 hole and still get the same or better production that J-Hey is providing there. It just appears (lame eye test) that he’s more comfortable lower in the order. Maybe he’s slightly concentrating on getting on base now (because he’s in the 2) compared to driving in people before (not a bad thing to concentrate on doing what the lineup position might dictate). I’ll probably be proved wrong, which I hope I’m wrong.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
He doesn’t look comfortable there. I think anyone could put up the same production in the two hole, but if you drop him the the sixth/seventh spot he will rack up alot of rbis
he probably doesnt look comfortable because of the thumb injury….not to mention, no offense, but I’m not gonna trust your opinion on whether he looks comfortable there or not…I’m gonna trust the fact that his skill set is appropraite for a two hitter (he is gonna see a lot of good pitches with Prado on base a lot and with Chipper behind him). He has good patience and good power to drive in Prado. batting him maximizes his ABs and keeps good balance of RH and LH throughout the lineup
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I agree with you about he has the skill set to bat second and the injury has effected him. Normally you want to have the two hole hitter move the runner over by anyway. I would rather have him hit sixth, where there are more rbi situations then for him to hit second where he could be good, but I don’t think that is where he can be the most productive.
What player would you want to hit often in rbi situations?
Mclouth/Melky or Heyward
unless you can garauntee me that 6th is gonna have more RBI situations (FYI you can’t)…im gonna take Heyward and leave him in the 2 spot…he has the chance to drive in Prado and his job is to get on base which he is very capable at….he gets more ABs and he is in a spot that fits his skills well…6th would be fine, but we dont have anyone to bat 2nd…
for me the problem doesnt exist as a deficiency of 6 hitter, it is a problem that we dont have anyone to bat 2nd…would you rather have McLouth or Melky batting 2nd?
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I can’t guarantee that the sixth hitter is going to have more RBI situations, but that is how it normally turns out. The two hole hitter has the leadoff, pitcher, and the eigth hitter in front of them, not exactly your best hitters. The sixth spot has three, four, and five. I think the heart of the order will get on base more than the bottom of the order, therefore the sixth spot is going to have more RBI situations than the second spot.
and Prado has been hitting in the second spot the past two years, where he has done great. If Mclouth returns to normal, I would like to see him leading off and Prado hitting second. Mclouth provides speed leading off and Heyward, I think, will have the opportunity to drive in more runs in the sixth spot.
there is no way we move Prado from the leadoff spot….I thought Prado should bat leadoff from the beginning of the year…
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Speed < OBP
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 20, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
but Mclouth is good at getting on base. Prado has a higher career OBP, but also with a significantly higher average
McLouth isn’t THAT good at getting on base – something like a career OBP of .330-ish?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 21, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Your ’’case’’ does not allow for outlying factors, the biggest of which is the thumb injury, which clearly affected his performance while he was hitting 2nd.
"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson
by sleezer1788 on Jul 19, 2010 11:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the case for heyward as an RBI man, not a table-setter
situational splits
BA OBP SLG OPS
Bases Empty: 165 PA .203 .309 .434 .743
Runners On: 153 PA .304 .425 .456 .881
RISP 95 PA .301 .453 .452 .905
RISP w/ 2out: 48 PA .343 .521 .514 1.035
formatting fail
.203 | .309 | .434 | .743 Bases Empty: 165 PA
.304 | .425 | .456 | .881 Runners On: 153 PA
.301 | .453 | .452 | .905 RISP: 95 PA
.343 | .521 | .514 | 1.035 RISP w/ 2out: 48 PA
not anywhere enough plate appearances to make any kind of judgements off of
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
especially with so much of his time in the two holes...
coming with the thumb injury.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 19, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
especially with so much of his time in the two holes…
TWSS
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The biggest thing that I get out of this Bowman piece is there’s a very serious possibility that Wren will be a buyer coming up on the trade deadline.
Like with the get of Gonzalez, my bet is he nabs another unexpected somebody.
BINGO
We’ll know what Wren does when it is reported. I half expected an MLBTR announcement this morning on Hart becoming a Brave after the series was over yesterday. Wren will probably surprise us all if he makes another deal.
Heyward is pretty good
Melky for Freeman, Nate, Teheran, and Melky.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
Even in 2008, GB had an obp of 360.
so… if nate doesn’t look like an improved hitter, than we should just bring back GB.
I’m an idiot!
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
hmmm your truthiness intrigues me
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Why is this not green yet?
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
I Love Yankees
The Yankees are the best team in baseball!
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions
I’d like to suck them.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
AND BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
perhaps he forgot to sign off...
and in the words of Lou Brown, “I think someone’s having a little fun with [him]”.
Winnar.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m here
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions
I’m a true Yankee fan…the Braves suck!
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions
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This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
Could David Ross
play the outfield?
Çhip Caray rox
I don't get the concern about acquiring McLouth at "peak value"...
He was a 27-year old center fielder coming off seasons where he posted .810 and .856 OPS’s. He was at .819 when they acquired him and he proceeded to OPS .773 the rest of the way. He wasn’t as productive as they anticipated, but he was productive enough for a center fielder. He got off to a horrible start this year, and then got hurt. It’s possible he would have snapped out of it and been going reasonably good by now. Who knows?
Because he hasn’t really demonstrated that he’s capable of putting up numbers like he did in Pittsburgh since he’s been here.
So I think it’s likely that, while his numbers may not have been as heinous as they were pre-injury, they still would have been pretty shitty. I hope I’m wrong, but I just don’t think the dude can contribute on a regular basis.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
I think McLouth still has potential and hope he gets back to form...
But they need to put a shock collar and shock his ass everytime he swings at a high fastball because its out of control and makes me want to pull my hair out
by michaelcooksey on Jul 19, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
i think nate's got in in him
i bet he puts in a good second half to make up for the first half
Even funnier,was when Wade said " I feel sorry for whoever has to guard us". Uh, I'm pretty sure there is a defense right here in Boston that specializes in punking teams just like yours Dwyane. Nobody scores on us easily.
If McLouth still sucks
I would rather just run Melky/Blanco out there instead of overpaying for slight upgrades in Ross/Hart/Jones.
If a trade had to be made I would go after Felix Pie. Or overpay for someone that’s actually good.
The WAR folks like yunel apparently. i know this, bobby cox hated going to war with this guy. ~Jon Heyman
by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Jul 19, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions
I wanna know is Josh Willingham a good fielder or not….damnit he keeps on wavering between decent to bad to average…make up your damn mind JOsh
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Fielding
I have him as +2.5 in a corner.
Chone has him at -1 in a corner.
Tango fan scouting report grades him a 2.96.
Since he is 31, I’d say +1 or 0 in a corner over a full year is a good projection.
The WAR folks like yunel apparently. i know this, bobby cox hated going to war with this guy. ~Jon Heyman
by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Jul 19, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
ya i know its just going through his DRS and UZR it is fluctuating from year to year wildly as anyone i have seen…
Based off my guess I had him as an average LF
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
McLouth's Return
Noooooooooooooo!
Head falling forward onto table! THUD!
Nate has one week _ it is going to take a miracle.
Nate has one week to prove that he can help the Bravos down the stretch and nothing short of a miracle will do. I like most of you have been reading the comments and hearing the news of guys we have scouted and I am still in favor of only talking to the Blue Jays about Jose Bautista. Guy is having a huge year with 25 hr’s and more RBI’s, and he is still under team control for one more season. Braves have always wanted Ross and definately Hart for some reason (Hart I meaN). Realisitcally if Hinske haven’t come down to earth after May the Braves would not be shopping right now. The fact of the matter is we need another RH bat in the OF. Either a guy that can play LFon a truly regular non-platoon situation or a guy to play in CF. NATE you have one week good luck but I think Frank Wren has already made up his mind on this issue. I would also like to say that all the guys we talk about the Braves getting in rumors, blogs, etc…. are never the guys we actually trade for and acquire; simply put I would look for us to get a guy not named ROSS, BAUTISTA, WILLINGHAM, or HART at the deadline. Nate my friend I believe you days in ATL are over in about a week and hopefully you take Jesse Chavez and crappy KK with you as well.
My trade:
Braves get : J. Bautista (2011 opt included)
For
N. McClouth, KK, Chavez, and minor league (S. Marek anyone, lol I mean they took Jo-Jo Reyes for god – sake)
Go Braves.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jul 19, 2010 9:01 PM EDT reply actions
I wish
You (gondee) could talk more about Blanco. When he was called up (I forget if it was May or June) you made some pretty flippant remark about him and essentially implied that he was pretty worthless.
I just feel bad for players like Diaz and Blanco – they come up and generally perform above expectations, but in the end they either ride the bench or get sent to triple A. Blanco is having a terrific season, can play some great defense, and deserves to be in the big leagues. I guess the logic (as you mentioned) is to determine how good McLouth is doing and possibly use him for trade bait. If that’s the case, I hope come August 1 Blanco is back in Atlanta.
Anyone else think
Wren could already be working on a deal for another OF bat?
What if McLouth is conveniently coming off the DL against a team in need of an OF? Showcase maybe?
just a little thought
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