Braves Lose 6-3 to Brewers
by Scott Coleman on Jul 18, 2010 5:32 AM EDT
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PrintThe Brewers need to get over themselves. Why the hell would Jonny Venters throw at Prince Fielder to lead off the 8th in a game that actually matters to us? There's no reason for Prince to freak out and then take a dirty slide into 2nd base to potentially end Alex Gonzalez's season. That's not a part of baseball. Wild pitches happen. Get over it.
Anyways...that game wasn't very good.
The Brewers got on the board in the 4th when Prince Fielder grounded into a 6-4-3 double play to score a runner from 3rd. The Braves battled right back in the bottom half of the inning when "Lefty Killer" Matt Diaz hit a 2-run rocket HR to left field.
Fielder hit a solo-HR in the 7th to tie it, and then it all fell apart. Hudson loaded the bases and then walked in a run on a 3-2 slider in the dirt to Rickie Weeks. Peter Moylan came in to stop the bleeding, but promptly gave up a 3-run double to Corey Hart. Brewers lead 6-2 after 7.
Eric Hinske hit a solo-HR in the 7th to get the Braves within 3 runs. Martin Prado and Jason Heyward both hit singles to bring Alex Gonzalez to the plate as the potential tying-run, but he struck out on a filthy sinker.
As you probably saw, Jonny Venters accidentally hit Prince Fielder to lead off the 8th inning and was ejected from the game, as was Bobby Cox. As mentioned above, Fielder than made a dirty slide into 2nd base to break up a double play, but the Teletubby was unsuccessful. Gonzalez could've retaliated, but decided to show class and walk away.
The Braves couldn't score in the 8th or 9th and fell for the 2nd straight night at home.
MVP:
Corey Hart - 2-for-4, 3RBI
LVP:
Peter Moylan - That 3-run double really hurt. Peter HAS to get that out in a close game and the double essentially ended the game.
Tomorrow's game is at 1:35EST. Derek Lowe against Manny Parra.
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by Scott Coleman on Jul 18, 2010 5:38 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I appreciate team loyalty as much as the next person, but come on. A pitch over his head then a pitch in his back? That had to be intentional. But the real problem was Cox once again leaving in a starter in the 7th inning to lose a game. Use your damn bullpen. It’s great!
by redwards95 on Jul 18, 2010 6:33 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
this isnt against you personally, but people complain when Bobby takes starters out early and doesn’t let them finish the game…then they complain when he uses the bullpen and says he is overusing his relievers.
to the first point i comepletely agree..not to mention Prince got hit the other day. and gets hit all the damn time..its not fun to get hit and when it is happening a fair amount you probably struggle to tell when it is intentional and not intentional…in sum MVHS needs to get over himself
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I do not know when the Braves last suffered the ignominy of two consecutive losses at home.
But I do know the Phillies won and are only 4.5 GB.
I say we need a win today.
Lowe (3.03 ERA over his last 6 starts) is on the mound and Heyward, Jones and McCann all need to be in the lineup.
It is not a do or die game, exactly, but still …
It’s an amusing read over at Brew Crew ball. The rambling wanders from “Bobby Cox is senile” to " The Braves can go “f*ck themselves”, about how both Cox and Venters should be suspended, and how our fan base is stupid. Shockingly, however, not ONE thing is said about Fielder going out of his way to try and tackle González. You see what you want to see I suppose.
"My God! Good news fans, the Braves are showing signs of life for the first time in weeks. As a matter of fact, they appear to be beating the crap out of each other."
The hate
for the Atlanta Braves is part of any Milwaukee fans’ DNA. Whether that individual is an 80 year old who saw Hank Aaron as a rookie or some 18 year old kid…it’s just part of their biological make up. They be hatin’ just because.
Does anyone even know how to bunt anymore?
just ignore them
the stuff they were saying was crazy. Even if we did intentionally plunk Prince, its a part of the game. It happens. They just have an inferioirty complex
This Corey Hart guy is having a good season.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 9:45 AM EDT reply actions
its just a fluke..he has no talent and has never shown he was ever any good before…he is just having a lucky 350 PAs (ignoring the fact most of his numbers arent that out of line)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Ah, now I see.
DO NOT WANT! NOT EVEN FOR AN UNPROVEN SP OF WHICH WE HAVE PLENTY!
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
that isnt the reason we traded for him…we traded for a guy who has some pop (not 17HR pop, but some) and plays good defense…or at least thats what i imagine is going through the FO’s head
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
After reading how relieved the other guys seem to be by not having Escobar, I am becoming a believer that it was simply a removal of a cancer.
I think Wren found a comparible defensive SS with some upside (if only for this season) and dumped Esco at the first opportunity.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If I had to guess...
I’d say the two prospects made a difference. Can never have enough quality left handed relievers, and it seems they like the SS.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 18, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
…except it is still being reported that we have interest in him…
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Then let it play out...
why bitch about it. Some think Hart is playing over his head, with the Brewers demanding a huge price (going from the rumors of Sanchez or Bumgartner from the Giants) and there can be better value from Minor (like saying using what looks to be a promising young start and shipping out a current starter in the rotation over the off season for a 3B, CF, LF or prospect package). You obviously think Minor for Hart is a good deal. Neither of us actually know whether or not that’s true consider we don’t have a crystal ball to a) see what Minor can do in the bigs, or b) if Hart can keep this up or if he goes back to the production in 08 and 09. But that’s mu opinion on it, we’ve said our peace, agree to disagree and just let it lie seeing how things play out going forward..
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 18, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not bitching…all I said was that this Hart guy is having a good season.
If nothing else, he is killing us. Let’s pull the Yankee card and get him just so he doesn’t hurt us anymore. lol
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
the original comment sure seems like fishing bait...
and you’re second comment with the all caps is the ‘beating a dead horse’ imo. Yeah, people think Minor for Hart isn’t a good trade, some do. Either way, que sera sera, whatever will be will be.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 18, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Baxter, you know I don’t speak Spanish.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
ill take some of the blame i prompted this whole thing….you can blame me…i agree with you we need a CF more than a LF…but if we want to make our team better (and i think Hart makes us beter, and from what i understant you agree you just don’t like the pricetag) and there are no CF to get we are forced to either stand still or get a LF
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Yes. I blame you.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
So you understand my thoughts...
I think Hart COULD make us better. (Is this year his true level, or 08 and 09?) But then, a Diaz/Hinske platoon can do a lot of damage when both are on their games. Hart could be better than that, could be worse. I don’t think the chances are worth giving up a valuable young piece that could allow us to move a veteran starter in the offseason, which can free up money to address other needs and also bring back a better return than what Minor can bring back..
As you may have noticed, my overall idea is Hart just isn’t enough of an upgrade over Hinske/Diaz. If we’re paying a price to upgrade, why go for a marginal improvement. Why not go big and see what it’d cost to bring in a player that can truly be big time. We’ve got the young prospects to pay a huge premium for a premium player, like the probably untouchable Braun, or even a lesser guy like Mark Reynolds that can provide as much at the plate as Hart imo and be a Chipper replacement for next year.
First off…as much as i am comfortable with a guy that strikes out I ave no desire to see Mark reynolds on my team….i dont trust a guy who strikes out that much, bc he can’t trust him to produce consistently…but w/e to each his own.
I thought i characterized ur thoguhts on Hart, but maybe i messed up a bit…my thing is I think Hart is a least a sideways move this year (at best a big improvement) (there is a chance he falls off a cliff, but i dont few that as a reasonabel chance at this point, notwithstanding some wild fluctutation in luck based metrics)….and if we are trying to win this year, which by all accounts is the goal (evidenced by the statements from the FO) i dont see us waiting to the offseason, bc that doesnt make us any better now. I’m not sure I’m happy giving up Minor, if we could make some other package i would consider it, bc as you said he could be really valauble in another deal .
I think our feelings on HArt are about the same, with me being slightly more optimistic about his future. And then its a matter of you not wanting to trade a highly regarded prospect at a chance of getting better (or at least you want a more garuanteed chance).
I think we are close on this and ultimately it doenst matter what we think (just what Justin thinks)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Pretty well put...
and you’re close enough. I’m not so much opposed to moving Minor, although of course would prefer not to, but my thought is more on Hart. Is he like the first half this year and his rookie year, or like his last two years? That and I think a healthy Diaz makes for one helluva platoon for LF (even better if McLouth can refind his stroke opening up Melky to play there). Just a simple difference of opinion I guess, with both Reynolds and Hart having their reasons for and against.
On Reynolds, I'd agree on the Ks...
but he’s put up some pretty strong #s the last two years otherwise, and he’s relatively cheap the next two years replacing Chipper until Salcedo or Leonard is ready. That would be the primary motivation behind why I’d like acquiring him, his ability to play 3rd next year and the year after. I think he has that right handed power that could help now, and is better than any other option for 3B out there when you factor in recent production and price (I’d rather have Beltre than him, but he’d cost a LOT more).
I would love Beltre…and i think he is a reasonable option depedning on much he is looking for a 3-4 year deal at 10M a year would be wonderful in my mind…I just don’t know if that will be enough.
with Chipper’s money off the books and hopefully unloading Lowe or KK we would have monye for raises and what not.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Now you are getting it.
:)
To be honest with you, you are the one that turned me on to Hart. I was skeptical of his numbers this year too, but you sold me. I trust you on this as much as anyone, you being a Brew-follower and all.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Macha seems to think we decide to hit their guys after they hit home runs. What? Can he not see that that makes absolutely no sense. Why would we go after the Brewers, a team that essentially means nothing to us? Do we ever hit other guys after they hit home runs? No. Its not like Ryan Howard is exactly gracious when he hits them against us, but we don’t go out and hit him. But I guess Bobby must just have something against his shitty team. Yeah right, Ken Macha, get over yourself and your crappy team.
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by sleezer1788 on Jul 18, 2010 10:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Come On
Prince jacks a long HR, shows up the Braves on the follow through and bat flip. Venters subsequently throws one over his head then puts one right on target between the shoulder blades. If you don’t think that’s a purposeful message then you know a lot less about the workings of baseball than I ever thought. Come on.
Even if it was intentional (and I am not saying it wasn’t), why is the Brewers side so pissed off? To use your own words, they must know a lot less about the workings of baseball than I thought.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
How many player’s knock on opponents clubhouse door after getting hit by a pitch? Fielder does.
Heyward is pretty good
Do you remember the situation?
It was Guillermo Mota who hit him, he was a Brewers player the season before. I’m not going to defend him going to the other clubhouse looking for a fight, that was f’ing stupid but there was small rationale there.
Fielder was really pissed, bc him and Mota were really good friends while Mota was with teh Brewers…and he took offense to Mota throwing at his head.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
the plunk may have been on purpose but it had nothing to do with his swing. Prince has a big swing, It may have been because of Gonzales getting hit, or because Prince is a massive douche bag. On the other hand, it may have been an accident, Brewers fans need to forget it and stop their bitching. When they were saying “Bobby is classless” it shows how cluelss they are, since Bobby is known as one of the classiest guys in baseball
i dont care what the Brewers fans say..i care more about how the Braves fans act…because it reflects on me as a Braves fan…so when people say stupid shit that makes no sense (things that are blatantly wrong, many things are opinion and i wont say that is stupid)…like Prince needs to grow up and not retaliate because he got hit, thats ridiculous Bobby has had his pitchers hit guys to retaliate, our playres have taken players out on slides… like you say its part of the game..and there’s no reason to get worked up about it..just ingore what some Brewers fans (and thats key its not all of them…its just a segment) and move on.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
you are right that is a small segment of them. Brewers fans are genreally smart, but still I take personally when I read the comments I see over there. Maybe its my own fault for going over there. And come one man, maybe I shouldnt have called PRince a douche, but he isnt known as the classiset guy in the world
I guess they have to posture in their own way. But surely the Brewers understand. That follow-through bat chuck thing he’s doing will get him a few more of those. The best is watching the replay and hearing Princess squeal like a little leaguer when he gets plunked. I was just our esteemed author a hard time – I think he knows what was up but was being a good, loyal fan (I almost hinted a tint of sarcasm in his opening statement).
by CharlotteChop on Jul 18, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
"Sometimes I think it is a great mistake to have matter that can think and feel. It complains so. By the same token, though, I suppose that boulders and mountains and moons could be accused of being a little too phlegmatic."
-Kurt Vonnegut, "The Sirens of Titan"
by Bravely going forward on Jul 18, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Hudson's face
after Moylan gave up the 3-run double…. classic…. if you like seeing pain and anguish on your hero’s face
Moylan has struggled with inherited runners this year, he’s probably apologized to Hudson a couple of times this season all ready.
Heyward is pretty good
Huddy was PISSED. Apologies dont take the runs off the board. Nor do they put the triscuit crackers in my mouth.
Well, maybe if you told me they were delicious Triscuit crackers I could have enjoyed them with you
by Quilvio Veras on Jul 18, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure Venters thought he was throwing that ball at a trash heap, Fielder looks like a garbage truck out there. I doubt it was intentional, it looked like he was having a tough time gripping the ball. But, maybe it was intentional, maybe they wanted to piss him off and see if he would come knock on our clubhouse door. Obviously, Prince doesn’t like getting hit.
Heyward is pretty good
Huddy had trouble gripping too – remember ball 4 on the go-ahead run?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Fielders slide wasn't out of the ordinary...
He was trying to break up the double play. It was an aggressive slide, so be it. I’ve seen it multiple times from multiple Braves players over the years.
His swing has not changed one iota over the years. That’s how it looks when he swings hard. It was the same swing on his double from Friday night.
Matt Diaz had some great post-game comments about Prince, said he played with him in the minors and he likes to crowd the plate so he gets hit a lot, but at the same time he understood why he was upset, getting hit by Hanson then getting buzzed and then getting hit between the numbers on the very next pitch? Diaz said he totally understood the anger.
false
given the prior ejections, Fielder absolutely should have been tossed for a slide like that. It was late, rough, and obviously intended to hurt someone. He actually had to get out of the way of the throw, b/c his fat ass was too far from the bag, and he started up again full speed (so like 2 mph) just to get at A-Gonz.
An aggressive slide is totally fine, even sometimes when the ball has been cleared easily beforehand. Going in obviously angry, immediately following the ejections, after being plunked, is bullshit bush league.
I’m not sure, but I cant remember Glaus having any type of tantrum this year
I haven’t seen a good bench clearing brawl in a while, light him up again today and see what happens, might be fun!
Heyward is pretty good
Prince went out of his way to do that after he had been tagged out. He line Gonzales up. If he wanted to retaliate he should have gotten Venters while he had the chance. Remember this is the same player who tried to go to the opposing team’s locker room last year and fight the potcher after the game.
No tantrum...
But the aggressive slides into 2nd have happened from Braves players.
Prince is a professional player and I don’t think he’d try to hurt a guy intentionally, ESPECIALLY with all the money that he’s got on the table right now. He plays the game hard, I like that. I wish I could see the video of that slide again though.
There is nothing wrong with aggressive slides, but Prince was being a punk. He stayed out there tying his shoes to “claim the ground” or something. Start Chavez, bring Lowe in from the bullpen after tagging Prince again!
Heyward is pretty good
See now that is just dirty. Even Bobby Cox post game said he understood the anger because it looks intentional from their side of the field.
Yes it’s dirty and there’s no chance of it happening. I truly believe that the only dirty play was Prince’ slide and then hanging out at 2nd base afterwards. ……Plunk him!
Heyward is pretty good
If you were Prince...
and you were hit on Friday, buzzed then hit in the numbers right after. How would you feel?
I would probably feel like the team that I am playing against didn’t like the way I show-boated on the HR that I hit, and next time, I should probably just be a grown-up and go about my business like 95% of the rest of the league does.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
get over yourself man…it’s a fucking game….who gives a crap if he dances like a ballerina after hitting a HR…you don’t want him to show boat…don’t make bad pitches that Prince can hit 450ft. Its the same as the stupid argument against dancing in the endzone and that argument sucks too…“act like a professional”…they are paid to play a child’s game…then we complain and say guys like JD Drew never look like they have fun…but when Prince or Manny is having a good time..we complain and say they should act more professional… Some guys want to celebrate some don’t who gives a shit…
If he celebrates and you feel wronged fine hit him…but dont act all pissed off when he does something to retaliate…and dont get pissed if tomorrow Parra plunks Chipper or Heyward…
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I am not pissed off. I am just answering the question from a personal perspective.
I couldn’t care less about the entire situation.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
directed at eveyrone in general not just you old friend
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Don’t call me friend, pal.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
don’t call me pal, bud
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Oh yeah? Uh, Gaylord!
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
if you were attempting the ocean;s eleven dialogue…you schruted it
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Dane Cook recognition fail.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
im actually a little proud of not being able to recognize a Dane Cook joke
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
It was old DC though – back when he was still funny and not an overcommercialized douche.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
don’t touch me grandpa, nana is a cheating whore
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Fuck this game! I’m sitting on Baltic with crap!
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Consecutive Home losses
Only other time it happened this year was against the Phils at the start of the 9 game losing streak. Not saying that is going to happen again, but time to step up today D Lowe!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEfkgQ6Dxy4&feature=related
This is the definitive look at Fielder’s swing. Notice not even the exagerrated bat swing guy taking one hand off the bat and holding it up in the air like Fielder did.
I don’t know if he deserved getting plunked. But this slide at second was his weak attempt at a retaliation. He slid well after the throw was gone and about 7 feet from second base. I say hit him again. He’s one of only 2 good hitters in there lineup. Get him off the plate.
Rickie Weeks
Casey McGehee
and don’t act like Corey Hart is a fluke he has the talent to produce like this.
this blind allegiance to the braves and the assumption that everything eveyrone else does it wrong is ridiculous
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
The Brewers are a bad team. Look at their record. Rickie Weeks is a career .250 hitter. Casey McGehee is 27 and is in his second real season. He’s cooled off considerably from his hot start. Perfectly reasonable to believe he isn’t going to hit like this.
And don’t get me started on Corey Hart. He is having a career year. But he is not a front line player. He’s never hit more than 24 homers in a year and he has 22 already. He’s never hit for 100 RBI’s, and he’s almost got 70 already. This is a fluke. He’ll regress to his mean, which is an average outfielder, nothing more, nothing less. There is no shame in that.
Your use of RBI stats does not really support your argument – especially considering that you somehow seem to be assuming that 2009 Corey Hart is legit and 2010 is not – when the truth of the matter is that 2010 is actually closer to the real Corey Hart.
Look at his other stats – LD%, K%, pitches that he is now laying off of that he always chased, etc. Don’t look at RBI. RBI is the hitting equivalent of a W-L record for SPs.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand those metrics. I was simply using RBIs as a rough indicator of his success. He’s only had an OPS over .800 once before in his career. Why is this year more indicative of his career than every other year of his career?
I’m assuming you’ve looked at his line drive and K rates because you mentioned them. Where can I look at them?
weeks has a career WAR of 10, andhas 2.5 this year already…if you are gonna call me a nerd at least do it in reference to somehtin gi would be upset about…being right isnt one of those
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
and as i mentioned his offensive production would be oodles higher if it wasnt for the fact that he is the worst defensive 2B in baseball (this fact is debatable there may be a worse guy, but im being bold)
and his defense would have no business in a discussion of how many good hitters the Brewers have
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
You’re wrong on both account per baseball-reference.com
And maybe I’m crazy, but offensive production doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that he’s a bad defensive 2B
I honestly might be missing something:
2003 – .4
2005 -.7
2006 1.1
2007 1.4
2008 1.6
2009 1.2
2010 1.8
basic math
ok sabermetrics nerds, Weeks has a career WAR of below 2. Horrible.
according to B-R his career WAR is 6…which is 4 better than 2, so you are in fact missing something. and thats if we use B-R’s nbrs, which I’m not inclined to do. I’d rather use fangrpahs which has him at 10 WAR, which is 8 better than 2.
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Technically, I beat you to this, but this darn connection is sloooow.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/weeksri01.shtml
According to B-R.com, his career WAR is 6.0 and he is at 1.8 already this season.
Certainly not “below 2” as you claim.
Fangraphs may have something different.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry. I didn’t realize I wrote career. I meant for his career never above 2. Not sure what you guys are getting at. That is a horrible WAR, any way you slice it.
No it isn’t. A horrible WAR is -X. Anything positive is not horrible, and 1.8 at the midway point of a season is borderline A/S level.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
he has been playing since 2005 (disclaimer I am using fangrpahs WAR)
his first two years he only played 90 games and in 2006 he stil lput up 1 WAR (which i admit isnt great, but decent)
in 2007 he postd 3.1 WAR in 120 games
in 2008 he posted 2 WAR in 130 games
in 09 he was hurt and only played 37 games, still had 1.4 WAR
in 2010 in 90 games he has 2.5 WAR…
the biggest knock on him shoiuld be staying healthy…and his defense (which we agree has no place in this discussion)
also, a wOBA of 350 for his career is pretty good.
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
See his K% and my previous comment about him laying off outside pitches.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
it is of some relevane, but if your not gonna look at the whole picture its irrelevant…
as a leadoff hitter he continually posts a 800 OPS or higher, steals 20 bases and hit HRs…
he is a horrible defender but that is really the only susbtantial knock on Weeks (unless you think he strikes out too much, which i can agree with to an extent, but he is still productive to make it worthwhile)
In RE: Hart….
he is playing over his head, but not by as much as most people think…his plate discipline has improved (last two years a respectable walk rate), his K rate is pretty much static (it is bound to go up when he is seeng more pitches with the improved plat discipline), his BABiP isn’t off his career numbers (317 vs 308 career). Only one thing is bound to drop and thats his HR/FB rate, 19 is too hgih for him but 23-24 is reasonable. and with that his SLG will fall from its current nbr of 575…but it would fall to 400 or something it will probably rest in the high 400s or low 500s. If I am right about this he is still an average defender at the corner wiht a 850 OPS and good pop. thats better than any OF we have …now i fully admit we need a consistent CF more than a Corner OF, but sometimes when you want to improve you have to make the move that helps even if it isnt in the place of most need.
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
But that’s the problem – RBIs are not an indicator of success. They are due more to the people in front of him.
This year isn’t more indicative of his career than other years. This year is more indicative than last year though, considering last year was WAY abnormal for him.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitive?
lol, ok.
Because every singe swing is exactly the same, right? I would say that batting stance has his normal swing down but the one-handed swing is something that comes out every once in a while when he swings really hard.
Obviously kidding about bat swing guy being definitive
But imagine seeing that swing from the bullpen. Probably pisses you off. So you hammer him with a slider.
Fielder can’t take a big ole swing like that if he’s got in the back of his head that he might get plunked. What the Braves did last night is as old as the game itself.
haha
Yeah, I know.
I just think that people who don’t watch him play on a consistent basis can’t judge a showboat swing. I watch and follow both the Brewers and Braves and I will say that it was not an intentional HBP but at the same time I understand why he’s a bit angry.
I don’t like that he went so hard at Gonzalez but I understand it. Prince isn’t a dirty player and I don’t think he’d ever try to go after a guy with intent to hurt him. I hope it doesn’t escalate today, two classy organizations don’t need to tarnish their seasons…especially the first place Braves.
Well this sucks that he had to hit Fielder
i bet they come at JHEY today…i really have a strong feeling that they will
OJ didn't do it
They will only come at Jason if Jason lets them come at Jason.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
No. I mean if Jason wants the Brewers to come at Jason, only Jason can allow that to happen.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
he is making a veiled attempt at expressing his love for heyward and his greatness essentially alleging thing sonly happen if Jason heyward decides they should happne, he is the force which makes actions happen in the universe
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I Chuck Norriss’d it, but bflobraves Schruted it.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Schruted it. It’s just this thing people say around your office all the time. Like when you screw something up in a really irreversable way, you Schruted it. I don’t know where it comes from though. You think it came from Dwight Schrute?
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
what is the conversion rate of a schrute buck
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
500 more and you can have a 10 minute bathroom break.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 18, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck you, Corey Hart
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 18, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions
All I have to say about the last two nights is this: Losing to bad baseball teams at home just should not happen.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
this is a philsophical question…what constitutes a bad team…a team below 500? a tea, that is over 500 but clerly overperforming their abilities…
just curious
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
The Brewers are under 500 and deservedly so. They’re not good.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
i wasnt saying in reference to the Brewers…just in general what is the dividing line for a bad team. is it 500, or is there more that goes into it. because if a team is under 500, but there is reason to beleive they can and should be above 500 then do we make that correction (for example is a team one game below 500 a bad team, if they have played the hardest schedule)
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I think “bad team” can be defined by any team that you don’t expect to win very many games.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 19, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
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