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Braves Mid-Season Top-30 Prospects:  21-30

Cory Harrilchak has all the tools to go far, even if none of them are spectacular.

Cory Harrilchak has all the tools to go far, even if none of them are spectacular.

It's time for Talking Chop to present the mid-season top-30 prospects for the Braves organization. This list was compiled by taking the three lists of gondeee, yondaime4, and cbwilk and averaging them together. There was a lot of disagreement about the bottom two thirds of the list, but there was also a lot of consensus as to who the top-10 prospects should be. This shows the current state of the Braves system -- 10 or so top-flight talents, and then a bunch of other guys who people have different opinions on.

We'll present the top-30 in groups of 10 each today, tomorrow, and Wednesday. On Wednesday we'll ask all the Talking Chop readers to submit their own list of the Braves top-30 prospects. While a top-30 is daunting, you've got fair warning and three days to do some research. We'll then take all of the lists and average them out to arrive at our Talking Chop mid-season community top-30 Braves prospects.

Here is the bottom third. Note that stats for hitters include batting average / on-base percentage / slugging percentage, while stats for pitchers include ERA / WHIP / innings pitched.

21 Cory Harrilchak, OF :: .286/.359/.371 between Rome and Myrtle Beach
Gregor Blanco, Melky Cabrera and Josh Anderson all come to mind when I think about Harrilchak. He has a very similar skillset to these guys though with a bit less power and a bit more on-base skills. Cory has always been able to hit for average and I don't doubt that he will continue to hit above .300 as he moves up the ladder. He can also take a walk and has some speed to burn (though he has had some issues harnessing it properly this season). Defensively his speed helps him get to balls others can't and his strong arm is an asset at any of the outfield spots. Long term, if he can continue to get on base at a high clip and learn the nuances of professional base stealing there is no reason Harrilchak can't be a valuable Major Leaguer. 

22 Caleb Brewer, RHP :: 3.86/1.56/32.2 at Rome
A big right-hander who can pump his fastball into the high 90s, Brewer missed the second part of 2007 and all of 2008 after succumbing to Tommy John surgery. He didn't join Rome until May after being beaten out for a spot on the roster to start the year by other pitchers, but he has been effective there. He hasn't dominated in the same way he did last season, but he has a big arm and big league potential and seems, at worst, destined to be a back of the bullpen type pitcher.

23 Cody Johnson, OF :: .210/.282/.385 at Mississippi
Johnson's critics have argued that his boom or bust approach won't allow him to succeed at the higher levels, but those same critics wouldn't have believed that he could have had successful years at the lower levels the last few years. His approach needs a lot of work, he strikes out as much as any player in the Minor Leagues, but he also has as much power as any player in the Minors, and that kind of tool can't be overlooked. Still, the clock is running on Johnson, and he needs to learn plate discipline now, or he will never make it out of double-A.

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24 Brett DeVall, LHP :: 4.02/1.49/71.2 at Rome
After being the Braves top pick in the 2008 draft, DeVall was having a successful pro debut between the Gulf Coast League and Rome when he reported arm discomfort and was shut down after just 64 innings of work. Brett has a great pitcher's frame but just average stuff, which has him relying on his baseball IQ and location to get the job done. Since returning to action this season DeVall has been solid but unspectacular in most of his starts. It may take the whole season for him to get back to form, but when he is healthy he has the frame to be an innings eating starter. Though the top of the rotation projection one would expect from such a high draft pick (40th overall) may not be there.

25 Paul Clemens, RHP :: 3.44/1.49/49.2 between Rome and Myrtle Beach
A lean and lanky right-hander, Clemens can get his fastball into the high 90s, which he pairs with excellent break on his curve. The Braves shifted him into relief last season and he's had much more success out of the pen, especially since the team also allowed him to go back to his original delivery, a lower 3/4 arm slot, and reincorporate his long leg kick into his windup. He still has the ability to succeed as a starter and an arm like his can shoot through the system at any time.

26 Todd Cunningham, OF :: .286/.370/.381 at Rome
The Braves spent their second overall pick in this year's draft on the Jacksonville State third baseman, but their plan for him seem to be to use him as an outfielder. He won the Cape Cod League batting title last summer posting a .387 average with a wooden bat, proving that his switch hitting ability can make the transition from the metal bats of college to the wood bats of the professional ranks. He isn't going to hit for much power, but he can control the strike zone and hit for a high average while stealing a few bases. The keys to Cunningham's future will be how his defense plays in center field, and whether or not he can develop more home run power.

27 Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg, 1B :: .323/382/.430 between GCL (2 rehab games) and Rome
He's moving slower than some would like for a college player, but injuries have slowed him a bit this year. He has quick hands and a body that should create some power down the road, though he hasn't shown much home run power this season. At some point he should have a breakout performance. He's keeping his average up, though, and his strikeouts down, which is a good place to be. Once healthy look for him to move up the ladder quickly.

28 Michael Dunn, LHP :: 1.05/1.13/42.2 at Gwinnett
Michael Dunn has been flat out dominant since coming over in the Javier Vazquez trade. Dunn features a mid-to-high 90s fastball from the left side that he combines with a slider that ranges from above average to plus. In April, May, and June he allowed just 1 ER in each month covering 28 appearances, until he finally surrendered 2 ER on July 6. The only knock I can see on him at the moment is his control: he has issued 22 walks in just 42.2 innings of work. Dunn has the kind of arm you look for at the back of the bullpen and he has already proven that he's ready to get out of AAA, now he just needs the opportunity to prove himself in Atlanta.

29 Cory Gearrin, RHP :: 4.41/1.43/49 at Gwinnett
With his sidearm delivery Gearrin gets a ton of movement on his fastball and sinker, allowing him to generate ground ball after ground ball. He gets into trouble occasionally when he leaves the ball up and his delivery style can lead to control issues, which is always accompanied by walks. Still, he has the stuff and the mental makeup to be a solid middle reliever in the vein of Peter Moylan.

30 Robby Hefflinger, OF :: .250/.303/.382 at Rome
There is a lot of power potential here, but all the trappings that come with it too. He has a big swing that doesn't seem to change from pitch to pitch, and that leads to a lot of strikeouts and poor plate discipline. His value is in his power and he'll need to turn some more doubles into homers, increase his walks, and cut down on the K's if he is to find success.

Just missing the cut:  Cory Rasmus, Edison Sanchez, Benino Pruneda, Ryan Weber, David Filak, Tyler Stovall, David Hale, Scott Diamond, Willie Cabrera, and Tyrelle Harris.

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he is the third best relief prospect int he system…if not lower…

its not a indictment of his abilities, just Kimbrel is better as are a couple other guys…not to mention the fact his upside is as a reliever and while you need a good bullpen to win bullpen arms are relatively numerous…so he wont get a lot fo attn.

Prospect lists are dominated by potential and upside

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 12, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good points, all making sense. I don’t view 28 as “low” but I did think he’d be a little higher. Though I’ve been a Braves fan my entire life, I never have really paid attention to these lists, so it’s good to get insight from those who have and do.

by CharlotteChop on Jul 12, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

i remember reading some rumor that the front office and dunn/his agent had a falling out regarding their plans to bring him up? anyone know if there was any truth to this? just curious

by shariyar on Jul 12, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, that ranking is all due to me. I was the only one of the three who ranked him, and I had him 16th, right between RSF and Brewer. Like I said, there was a LOT of disagreement on the last 20 or so spots, and I think we’ll see that when everyone lists their top-30. The first 10 or so are pretty straight forward, but after that there’s a lot of differing opinions on guys.

by gondeee on Jul 12, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Dunn should be at least 21. I would take Dunn over anyone of those guys cause none have the potential Dunn has. If you consider than Moylan, EOF, Venters and Kimbrel are the only sure bets to make the team next year than both Dunn and Marek should play large roles for the team.

My thinking is that even if this is based on potential, would you rather take a really good reliever or a 4th outfielder like Harrilchak. I guess IMO, after seeing the bullpen falter for 2 decades for the Braves I just value the reliever more than a bench guy. That’s my reasoning and that’s why I think Dunn should be at least 21.

by Jaymin Patel on Jul 12, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel he should be higher too, but I guess he is alittle older (than the others on the list) and the walks are still pretty high. Anyways, I felt like he was probably in our top 20 prospects before the season started, and all he has done is dominate AAA much more than I expected. Also, he hasn’t given up a homer this season.

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by bwellnjonesco on Jul 12, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll admit he should probably be listed and I am guilty of not having him on my list, but I was influenced by the fact that he apparently doesn’t have a future with Atlanta and we may never see him appear in an Atlanta Braves uniform. I know that may not bear any reflection on his ability but that was my thinking at the time.

by yondaime4 on Jul 12, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don’t think 25 year olds who are limited to being lefty relievers should rate high on a prospect list. The idea is to look at the guys who you think will be the best long term Major Leaguers, and while I love Dunn and what he can do, at best he’s just a reliever, and since most of them are only good for 2-3 years max, that’s not a lot of great value.

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by cbwilk on Jul 12, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with your assessment of ranking relievers, however, I believe Dunn seperates himself from the “most” group of relievers you mention. I see him as more of a closer type of relief pitcher. His mid-to-high 90s heat and big slider are convincing enough. When you factor in him being a lefty and being totally anti-homer this first half, I see plenty of potential for more than just 2-3 years of great value.

The control scares us all, but remember, he was an outfielder in 2005, so pitching at this level is still fairly new to him. Also, he has reduced his BB/9 by a full point from last season (5.6—>4.6).

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by bwellnjonesco on Jul 12, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some of those things you point to are what keep me from getting too excited as well. He hasn’t been pitching that long and he doesn’t have a great record of success behind him, so how much can I really trust this first half? Since he’s never done anything like this, has he turned a corner, or just had an incredible run that is due to end any day now?

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by cbwilk on Jul 12, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

He’s legit, it just depends on the actual ranking system and what you are voting on. If closeness to helping out the big ballclub is a factor he has to move up dramatically, if it isn’t as big of a factor you can put the players who obviously project to be better in front of him. However, his certain niche ability happens to be a strength on the major league ballclub even though he could certainly help this team if needed.

He still walks too many but he’s a legit pitcher, in my opinion.

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by BenDuronio on Jul 13, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he’s legit too, but I still wonder.

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by cbwilk on Jul 13, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with you saying he hasn’t had a great record of success behind him. Since becoming a pitcher, he has always racked up the Ks and limited the hits pretty well. Even when the Yanks experimented with him as a starter, he pitched along the same lines (similiar to JJ Hoover’s dominate SALLY league run last year).

The only level where he hasn’t had success was a very brief run with the big league club.

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by bwellnjonesco on Jul 13, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

are we gonna have to wait till tomorrow to get the next installment, bc im not sure i have that kind of patience.

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 12, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

What if I tell you that Andy Otero is 20th, will that hold you over until tomorrow?

by gondeee on Jul 12, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

thatll work…thnx

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 12, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I assume that the 'just missing the cut' group got votes from someone.

Because I’m happy with the way the depth looks, especially with someone like RSF being below 20. I haven’t sat down to look at the depth, but I’m cautiously estatic about the draft this year, for not only depth but upside as well.

And then there’s the pitching quartet.

by soup du jour on Jul 12, 2010 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Correct, those guys who didn’t make the cut all received votes from at least one of us. Actually, Rasmus got votes from everyone, they just weren’t high enough to put him in. I had him highest at 24.

by gondeee on Jul 12, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a mathematical oddity with Rasmus. It’s a shame, but hopefully he just keeps doing well and forces us to all rank him higher next time.

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by cbwilk on Jul 12, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Much better numbers as a reliever this year for Cory.

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by BenDuronio on Jul 13, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think in general he’s just better suited for the bullpen. But he personally prefers starting, so that’s one of those things he probably needs to get over mentally.

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by cbwilk on Jul 13, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

His numbers as a starter are scarily on pace for MLB average now that I look at them. http://statcorner.com/pitcher.php?id=474284. Scroll over the stats on the bottom stat line and you can see what I mean…

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by BenDuronio on Jul 13, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t want that to come off as saying anything negative or positive about that, it’s just really weird how close his numbers are to the MLB averages that they list.

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by BenDuronio on Jul 13, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am still on the Edinson Sanchez bandwagon even if I didn’t get him on the final list.

by yondaime4 on Jul 12, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

really surprised you didnt get yur boy on the the list….its like death, taxes and a Willie Cabrera update on the minor league recaps

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 12, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

i was the only person who voted for him sadly.

by yondaime4 on Jul 12, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think when I voted I hadn’t seen him play 3B this season. I thought as a 1B he was a lot less valuable. Now that he’s playing 3B too, I’d have him on there, and maybe a lot higher. I’ll just have to correct that on the year end list.

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by cbwilk on Jul 12, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know how Harrilchak or Cunningham could be rated higher than Cabrera at this point.

They all have very similar skill sets, with the one exception being that Willie actually has some power potential (16 HR at Myrtle Beach in 2008.)

by J-Turn14 on Jul 12, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m on that bandwagon too, although, all I know about him is that he is young (19), tall (6’4) w/ room to grow (195lbs), and he gets on base (.447OBP DSL, .418OBP GCL). Would love to see him stick at 3rd..

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by bwellnjonesco on Jul 12, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

David Hale

has been dropped out of the top-30? He finished 22 at the end of last year’s list. I know he hasn’t pitched good as a starter, but his reliever numbers are very impressive.

by Braves24 on Jul 12, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I say with Hale we use the reverse starting rule. Put the closer in at the beginning of the ball game for one inning then let Hale come in and ‘relieve’ the rest of the game and watch him rack up 8 inning no hitters. Also Single A relievers don’t get love on prospect lists. Sorry.

by yondaime4 on Jul 12, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was voted 29, NR, and 28, so he just missed.

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by cbwilk on Jul 12, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a Cody Johnson critic...

…I note that Johnson had, at best, one successful year above rookie ball, and that was just okay in 2009. In 2008, his OBP was .307 in low A ball. That just isn’t successful. So, no, I still don’t believe that he had successful year the past few years. And this year, well…..

One request for the future updates: can you add K/BB numbers for pitchers? They are probably more meaningful numbers for prospects than ERA and WHIP. Thanks!

by cavebird on Jul 12, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

So, he was more successful at the higher A ball level and you’re still nitpicking the lower level? It doesn’t even matter because he obviously learned from his mistakes that year and made the adjustments into 2009.

As for this year, he got off to a horrendous start, then, in May, he really started hitting well, knocking the ball out of the park like he always has, then he had the severe hamstring injury right in the middle of that that’s basically made him a non-factor since. You can clearly judge that he sucked that first month, but you also have to give credit for the adjustments he made. If he hadn’t gotten hurt, hustling his ass of trying to beat out a single by the way, then who knows how things would look right now.

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by cbwilk on Jul 12, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was simply making the point...

…that he hasn’t had two years of success at A-ball as the post stated. Honestly, since minor league seasons are about honing skills and working on weaknesses, one could argue that none of his seasons have been successful because he has not succeeded in improving the largest stumbing block to his advancement.

As for who knows how things would look without the injury; it is true nobody can know for certain what would have happened. However, based on his clear track record, I am fairly certain that it would have involved a whole lot of strikeouts. Hell, the stats say that while he was “raking” in May he still managed to whiff 36 times in 82 AB’s. For the season his has whiff 97 times in 205 AB’s. Striking out almost half the time just won’t cut it. I guess I am not seeing the adjustment here—-seems like he is still doing his whole feast or famine massive hacks and just happened to hit the ball a few more times in May of this year and in 2009.

by cavebird on Jul 13, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sluggers strike out. Every year the HR leader is among the lead leaders in strikeouts. But pretty much every team would love to have that guy, even with the Ks. It’s not a big deal. Cody is going to strike out, that’s just how it’s going to be. Step away from that unavoidable fact and examine the kid based on other things. You’ve picked this one thing to harp on because it’s easy to do so and aren’t willing to look at anything else. If he fails, great, then you’re right, but it’s easy to say he’ll fail, it’s a lot harder to actually look at the major improvements he’s made since becoming a pro and see why he might succeed.

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by cbwilk on Jul 13, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he doesn't cut down the strike outs, he won't succeed.

That’s the problem. Yes, sluggers strike out. But not at the rate that Johnson is in the minor leagues. Look at the big whiffing sluggers in the majors today and their strikeout numbers in the minors. Mark Reynolds who has repeatedly obliterated the major league yearly strike out record, struck out 322 times in 1393 minor league plate appearances (23.1%), and never struck out more than 109 times in a season in the minors. Johnson has already struck out 575 times in 1656 minor league plate appearances (34.7%). Adam Dunn, another big whiffing slugger in the majors, struck out 270 times in 1483 minor league plate appareances (18.2%). The closest I can find to Johnson’s strike out rate in a successful major league slugger is Ryan Howard, and he struck out 585 times in 2151 minor league plate appearances (27.2%) and that is still significantly less than Johnson.

The bottom line is that guys who strike out at the rate Johnson strikes out in the minors just don’t make it in the majors. I acknowledge that Johnson has many skills obviously highlighted by prodigious power and he has made improvements in some aspects of his game. But what you fail to acknowledge is that if he does not control the strike outs, he will not succeed, and he hasn’t shown any ability to control them yet.

by cavebird on Jul 13, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you continue to fail to acknowledge that those guys were all in college at the same age Johnson is now. I’d guess that if they had face the same level pitching at the same age their strikeout rates would have been out of whack too.

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by cbwilk on Jul 13, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is young.

He does have time to develop. Part of that development has to be cutting down some on the K-rate. I’d like to see him repeat AA next year and see if he can make some improvement. Some guys take more time. I’d love to see him cut down the K-rate—-his power is prodigious.

by cavebird on Jul 13, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

He definitely needs to repeat AA. I thought that before the year even started and the way things have gone has only reaffirmed that. And the bright side is even if he repeats AA, he’s still young.

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by cbwilk on Jul 13, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

he could repeat AA twice and still be age appropriate (albeit at the higher side of age appropraie for the league)

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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 18, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

DeMacio sez

They’re using Cunningham at 3B. Then again, DeMacio ain’t Kurt Kemp, and I don’t think Cunningham has played a single pro game at 3B, yet, so that may have changed.

by PWHjort on Jul 12, 2010 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah Baseball reference has him playing all OF so far. Most everyone I have read says he profiles really well in CF though with a weak arm, so I don’t know how that translates to 3B. Of course one source I read said he was athletic enough to play SS or 2B too.

by yondaime4 on Jul 12, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally I think Cunningham is underrated here

I ranked him in my Top 10(#10 exactly), his bat is ML caliber and his defense is LF would be rated as plus. He’s been playing RF so far and has been doing well with a couple of assist. It says a lot that the Braves put him with a full season team as well.

by Jay212033 on Jul 12, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am on his band wagon as well

by yondaime4 on Jul 12, 2010 4:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I am completely unimpressed by Cunningham, though I’ve only seen him play one game, and I’ll probably have to eat my words at some point. I watched three at-bats and I never saw him turn on the ball. Away, away, away, if you like that sort of thing. Who knows if he was working on something that day, or if that was his game plan for the particular pitcher on the mound.

I suppose if he does profile as a center fielder defensively, then his value goes up. But as a corner player I just don’t like the lack of power. I need to see him more before I get a good read on him.

by gondeee on Jul 12, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like the bat

Don’t like the profile. Doesn’t run well enough to stick in center, probably won’t hit for enough power to play corner OF. This is why he lasted until the 2nd round, not much of a position for him unless he works out at 3rd or 2nd (which is where I might try him).

by PWHjort on Jul 12, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

So

You wouldn’t want a guy in LF that could play plus D in LF, hit .300+AVG/15-20HR/20-25SB? This is what scouts think of his potential with the bat and that he’ll profile as a plus defender in LF.

by Jay212033 on Jul 12, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

But really that’s not great for a LF. LF is a slugger position, it’s probably the least important defensive position, so that’s not as important as being a middle of the order type guy. Those numbers are great for a Major League hitter, but if you’re getting less production out of LF, a traditional power spot, then you better hope you’re picking it up with one of the less traditional power spots, C, SS, 2B, CF.

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by cbwilk on Jul 12, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

But

You would take those numbers in LF? The power could come from RF,3B, 1B and C so the LF guy doesn’t HAVE TO be a power guy. Crawford and Gardner are exception to the power hitting LF and lord know the Braves could use some speed on this team!

by Jay212033 on Jul 12, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the thing, you could take those numbers from LF, but it’s not ideal. You have to have a 40 homer guy and a few other 30 homer guys to make up for the lack of slugging out of LF. The reality is you can probably find a 2B or a SS to put up those kind of numbers and get yourself a slugger for LF. That’s why it’s not ideal, cause it’s just not valuable as an OF unless you’re defensively good for CF or RF. Of course you can take anything if you get production to make up for it elsewhere, but most of the times you don’t get that production out of other spots.

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by cbwilk on Jul 12, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that’s the type of production you can reach as a LF, you’re not very valuable. Plenty of centerfielders can produce simliar numbers as well as middle infielders across the league. Valuable corner prospects are the guys that can possibly be five win players or somewhere around there, not the ones who are speedy and defensively focused.

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by BenDuronio on Jul 13, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who’s a center fielder. He’s great there because those numbers combined with good defense at a premium position are excellent. If he were in LF he’d be just average and hardly worth mentioning.

Also, I love Denard, he’s a wonderful person.

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by cbwilk on Jul 12, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Twins always used Span in LF and Gomez in CF when they played both of them. He’s not really an outstanding defensive center fielder, more average than anything.

Either way, it’s the same thing. A player’s value doesn’t change if he’s playing CF or LF. What’s lost in position scarcity is gained in relative degree of difficulty. A player’s bat may be more valuable in CF, but LF is easier, meaning he’ll save enough runs with his glove to make up for the difference. That’s why they do the positional adjustments in WAR calculations. The difference between an OF corner and CF is 10 runs, exactly as many as you’d expect an average center fielder to save in right or left over the course of a season.

But I was mostly joking in the first place, I really doubt he turns into Denard Span, that’s a very optimistic projection. Span’s most valuable asset is his plate discipline/bat control/zone control. Way to early to know if Cunningham will develop those skills.

If he develops those skills and sticks at 2nd or 3rd, he’ll make several all star teams, all health guaranteed.

Final Cunningham thought, DeMacio says they’re expecting more power to come. I’ll believe it when I see it, but there’s that.

by PWHjort on Jul 13, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I take that production, but normally you want the corner OFs to be power bats. If he could play center, then that would be great.

by Braves24 on Jul 12, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Was just about to post this! Cabrera IS a Top 30 prospect in this system and there’s no way he shouldn’t be. I see two guys that shouldn’t be ranked that are(Clemens and Gearrin). Cabrera is having a far better season and has just as much potential as both of them.

by Jay212033 on Jul 12, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s also a 23 year old repeating AA who doesn’t have enough power to play a corner or enough speed to play center. He’s a good player, but is he really that great of a prospect? What’s his Major League ceiling? A little more refined (better defense, less wild hacking) version of Matt Diaz?

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by cbwilk on Jul 12, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I should go further: Last year, when he was struggling, nobody cared about Willie. He was just an average player that nobody had ever considered a prospect who wasn’t having a good year. This year, when he’s a year older, playing at the same level, and playing well, all of the sudden he’s a prospect? No, he’s still the same player that nobody cared about last year. I’m glad he’s made the adjustments and I think down the line he could be a valuable platoon/4th outfielder type, but that doesn’t make him a real prospect. I’d take the chances of most of our fringe pitchers to succeed over his.

And this week will tell you how the Braves feel about him as a prospect. If they move him up to AAA after the AS break, then they care about him, if they don’t, then they don’t. There’s no reason to leave a guy in AA after a year and a half when he’s straight up raking other than that you don’t feel like he’s in your long-term plans. The Braves are as good as anyone at evaluating their own players so how they treat a guy will tell you more than just about anything.

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by cbwilk on Jul 12, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with a lot of this. He profiles as nothing more than a 4th outfielder type at this point. Repeating levels as a 23-year-old should be a sign to temper expectations. However, I have a good feeling about him. Martin Prado wasn’t thought of as much of a prospect either. I’m not saying he’s the next Prado but I just really like his skillset as a 4th outfielder and think there’s a decent chance he’ll make a good one.

by ajones2522 on Jul 12, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think this is necessarily true if they already have a full outfield contingent at AAA. I love Willie and his minor league work has been really nice all except last year where he missed some time with an injury and just never got his timing down. I view last year as a hiccup and even though he’ll probably never be great, he probably could be a Melky Cabrera type valuable defensive outfielder who might get on base a good bit.

by KC Ryan on Jul 12, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he doesn’t have that great arm like Cabrera, so even defensively he doesn’t have the same value. Otherwise a good comp though. Of course, by the time Cabrera was 23 he’d been in the bigs 3 years.

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by cbwilk on Jul 12, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same things were said about Prado

“Nothing more than a utility player!” Also 23 is not old at all for a guy in AA so why is everyone acting like that’s old or something. Hell Mycal Jones, RSF, Harrilchak and several other guys are all almost the same age as Cabrera but are behind him(although they were just drafted last season). Some guys take time to develop and maybe Cabrera is a late bloomerr but his career numbers haven’t been horrible.

by Jay212033 on Jul 12, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, personally I never said that about Prado.

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by cbwilk on Jul 12, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cabrera has a 0.44 POW, league average in the majors is close to .57, he’s not very good. He’s got little speed, very little power, and is repeating a level. While it’s nice what Cabrera has done this year, it’s very hard to project him to be good in the Majors.

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by BenDuronio on Jul 13, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Um......

“A little more refined (better defense, less wild hacking) version of Matt Diaz”

You just described a LF Martin Prado lol! Cabrera hits righties far better than Diaz could ever dream as well.

by Jay212033 on Jul 12, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

And like I said higher in the thread, if Prado was doing that and limited to LF I wouldn’t be very pleased with it. It’s not hard to find a slugger for the least defensively taxing position. The reason Prado is so valuable is because he’s producing like that at 2B.

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by cbwilk on Jul 12, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad to see a little PC love at #25. He’s quietly working his way up, up, up and is often overshadowed by the more well-known and watched players at the same level (Vizciano, Teheran, et all). Now that they’ve quit messing with his mechanics and natural delivery, I think he will continue to get even more impressive over the rest of the season whether out of the pen or as a starter.

by rbravesfan on Jul 12, 2010 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

opinions...

such passions! such caring!

i hope these kids get to read some of this…who knew they mattered so much?

by blazon on Jul 13, 2010 6:50 AM EDT reply actions  

You missed Brett DeVall’s dad (supposively) coming in here and ragging people about stating their opinions about his son. He really made a fool of himself by disrespecting his son’s fans, and had no idea about the intelligence of most of our members. Even though I was positively speaking for team-Brett, I was still offended.

Alone in the world of the little CatDog...

by bwellnjonesco on Jul 13, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

When was that?

Don't kiss an ass if it's in the process of shitting on you.

"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09

by buzzdeadwax on Jul 13, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

He does it everywhere

It’s annoying. Pretty much any time someone writes something that he doesn’t see accurately portrays DeVall, he will write a ranting comment.

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by BenDuronio on Jul 13, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Check this out

http://scoutingthesally.com/2010/05/sally-stock-watch-5222010/#comments

Guy’s a low life, piece of shit, dumb SOB. By far the most amazing trait about him is his stupidity.

by PWHjort on Jul 13, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, personally I’d hate to see whatever kind of stuff my dad might be posting on the internet…

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by cbwilk on Jul 13, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol. Who the hell does he think he is? As if the Tampa Rays would tell him who they’d pick.

by FitzFan on Jul 14, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

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