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Does Melky Care?

<a class='sbn-auto-link' href='http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/597/Melky_Cabrera'>Melky Cabrera</a> playing for the braves (AJC photo by Jason Getz)

Melky Cabrera playing with the Braves. (AJC photo by Jason Getz)

 

I've read posts--not a lot but certainly a few--since the Braves resurgence began which questioned whether Melky Cabrera cared about his performance since he'd been traded to the Braves from the Yankees. Speculations ranged from, "he thinks playing for the Braves is an insult, he's not trying," to "He's not hustling because he's not a Yankee anymore." Basically: he liked playing for the Yankees, he doesn't like playing for the Braves. Somehow Hinske avoided such speculation, despite the two of them having an almost identical year, on paper, with a slight advantage to Eric (who has a slightly higher OBP, drawing about two more walks per 100 PA, and a higher SLG with three more homers in 100 less PA.) Maybe it's a Yankees thing, or maybe it's a cultural mechanism for handling poor performance to appear flippant at stressful times in the public eye. But maybe...

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...It's a player who's been frustrated by not playing up to his own perceived potential, frustrated by not putting up all-star numbers. The facts are that Melky is having as good a year as he's ever had, aside from the lack of HR production. He's right there were he's always been. It's the reason the Yankees traded him, because they want/wanted first tier-guys and the Melkman doesn't have anything more than weak second-tier stuff. I just don't happen to think that's for lack of caring or trying or even for lack of hustle. Take a look at the run to first base on a ground ball out; sometimes guys hustle, sometimes they leg it out until the ball is basically in the glove but then slow down, sometimes they just jog hoping the ball will sail into the dugout. If you want hustle every time Conrad is just about the only guy who does, but sometimes Melky gives it his all, sometimes he doesn't; everyone's guilty of it.

If you want to gauge players attitudes on the field, there aren't really stats to turn to. I looked for stats on frequency of times players loafed to first on fielded ground balls but I didn't really find anything, nor is there anything on times guys appeared to not care when popping out or committing an error. But I have watched just about every inning of every Braves game this season, including spring training, and if there's one guy who pretty consistently seems to be putting forth less than maximum effort and reacting with absolute maximum annoyance and frustration--presumably aimed at the Gods--it's not Melky Cabrera.

 

Yunel Escobar plays baseball like I type and drive. Fast, reckless and believing full well that his ability far exceeds reality. When I run over a curb or type Penis instead of Paris, I realize I should probably slow it down and think more about what I'm doing, but when Yunel drops an easy fly ball or boots one unnecessarily trying to barehand a ball hit to chipper, he seems irritated, but he doesn't actually do anything about it. He doesn't seem to have made any adjustments in spite of putting up a performance in the first half that clearly warrants at trip to the minors. This Braves team is full of guys adjusting. Coming off an unbearably bad run at the beginning of the season the team adjusted and more than recovered. The one part that hasn't, is Yunel Escobar, and he needs to be sent down to sort himself out at the plate and to get his head out of the clouds. It'll almost be like getting traded from the Yankees to the Braves: a reality check.

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Melky seems to care quite a lot.

I attend quite a few home games and watch most of the other games on TV. Melky may not always hustle down the 1st base line , but he usually does. Escobar is something else though. After watching him in last night’s game I actually wondered if he really wants to be traded. Missing that fly ball and the half assed throw to Glaus. He doesn’t seem to care sometimes, Melky’s not the attitude problem. Just my 2 cents.

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by jimmontg on Jul 10, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Melky cares

The look on his face after his, and Omar’s home run proved it all. The guy loves the team a lot, perhaps even as much, or more than the Yanks.

Jason Heyward is the reason that Chuck Norris parks his car in a garage.

by Joseph_C on Jul 10, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

way off...

different people deal with mistakes differently, Escobar clearly does better by not getting mad at himself (Actually most people do) its retarrrrrdeeeddddd to want to see your players getting upset or mad at themselves when they make a mistake.. i understand it demonstrates competitiveness, but it does not make you perform better…in fact, getting down on yourself makes you perform much worse for most people

by willlinn on Jul 10, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

All I can say is..

For the doubters who didn’t think Escobar has an attitude problem.. Re-watch last nights game. I’m not talky about losing the ball in the lights or making the occasional error.. That’s going to happen. I’m talking about the lackadaisical toss to glaus. Granted it was glaus call to turn around and tag failcouer.. But a stronger throw than a t-baller and glaus wouldn’t have had to of come off the bag and put the tag on him. Then in the dugout he was looking directly into the camera shaking his head like he did nothing wrong.. Maybe he didn’t think he did.. But we can’t have other players getting injured due to the laziness of another.

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by SidGlaus on Jul 10, 2010 11:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Did anyone really complain this much when Andruw Jones had an overconfidence problem? I don’t think so. I think they just enjoyed his stellar defense and 40+ HRs.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2010 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Jones and Esco dont compare

Andruw would hit 40 HRs and plays great D, but sometimes lazy

Esco yet to hit aHR this season and plays average D and is very lazy sometimes

OJ didn't do it

by bflobraves on Jul 10, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plays average D? Wait, what?
 
Have you watched Yunel Escobar? Despite last night’s shortcomings, the dude can play SS with the best of them.

"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton

by UMDBHIK on Jul 10, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

If not better than the best of them.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

he makes many errors though and almost broke Glaus arm yesterday, he is careless sometimes…he is a good defender besides the bonehead plays

OJ didn't do it

by bflobraves on Jul 10, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll grant that he can play a bit lackadaisical sometimes. However, he gets to a lot of balls that most shortstops cannot. As such, he may make more errors. Furthermore, he has an absolute cannon which, if off target will account for his throwing errors.
 
The Braves are better with him at SS than without him.

"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton

by UMDBHIK on Jul 10, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are describing Hanley Ramirez, not Yunel Escobar.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

no he’s not Hanley has hit a HR this year…he has hit a couple of HRs actually.

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 10, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

They did once it got in the way of his performance.

Same thing with FYF.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

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by MichaelProcton on Jul 10, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I run over a curb or type Penis instead of Paris,

LOL

The one part that hasn’t, is Yunel Escobar, and he needs to be sent down to sort himself out at the plate and to get his head out of the clouds.

No he doesn’t. +20, +13, +12 DPM fielding runs above average in 10, 09, and 08 respectivly and positive marks in URZ and Total Zone every year during that time. That is an elite defender at the hardest position. Making league minimum. When you get to as many balls as he does you are going to make some mistakes. It’s funny how people only focus on the negative plays he makes while shurging off all the good ones. Try to write with at least some objectivity.

With crappy overpaid vets of course!

by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Jul 10, 2010 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

He's a skilled defensive player

Unfortunately his defensive numbers don’t make up for his weak offensive first half.

Yunel Escobar and Tim Hudson… have the same batting average. .237.

by floydwiley on Jul 10, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good analogy.

Are we pissed off because Huddy is hitting .237? Heck no, because he brings other things to the table that help the team. Likewise, thanks to Yunel’s defense (when he’s not out to lunch) and ability to take walks makes him a valuable part of the team, and make his poor batting average not that annoying.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jul 10, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, was anyone else expecting Huddy to swing away last night? Maybe expecting isn’t the right word. Hoping probably is more what I meant.

"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton

by UMDBHIK on Jul 10, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the first half

Hudson has been above average in his defensive role as well as at the plate. Yunel exceeds the average only in his defensive role, whereas offensively, even accounting for his ability to take walks (his OBP is only .334) he fails to make up for that with the number of runs he scores on the basepaths on free passes or with the balls he snags other shortstops couldn’t have gotten to. He has amassed, in this first half of the season, a deficit which he will have to work to repay offensively in the second half by making changes to his swing and his mental approach to the game and to teamwork.

Sounds harsh for a player I ultimately like and think will improve, but it’s true.

by floydwiley on Jul 10, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yunel has been worth 1.1 WAR

which is disappointing but far from terrible (T-11th in MLB among SS). That OBP you cite is above the league average, and particularly good for a shortstop. In fact, it’s the 6th-best OBP of any shortstop in the major leagues. Combine that with excellent defense and you have a very good player, even as bad as his AVG and ISO are. (If you believe his DRS numbers over his UZR numbers, that makes him even more valuable.)

He has his flaws, but he has been helping the team despite all that. To imply otherwise is kind of ridiculous.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jul 10, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

So...

You’d be happy to have a shortstop who puts up those numbers indefinitely? No home runs and an average only a pitcher can be proud of? I think it’s a little ridicules to assume that an attitude shift wouldn’t allow him to realize his significantly better potential, especially being so young.

You can’t really penalize the guy for not scoring after he reaches base. There are a whole lot of other factors at play there.

Obviously. What I mean is: when you draw walks to allow for potential runs. Sometimes those chances will bare fruit depending on your place in the lineup more often than others. Hitting at the bottom of the lineup significantly lessens the value of his presence on the basepaths. As you say, there are a number of factors at play here, I just don’t think everyone is taking them all into account.

by floydwiley on Jul 10, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would I be happy with those numbers?

Sure. They’ve been plenty good enough so far. Average isn’t meaningful. The lack of power is distressing but far from a deal-breaker here.

If you think a trip to the minors will cure what ails Yunel, you are naive. Remember when we sent Frenchy to the minors? That worked out well. Sending an established player—especially one with attitude issues—down to the minors is much, much more likely to make things worse than better.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jul 10, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why care about his average

When his on base tells a much better story. It’s down a bit, but the big problem with him has been not putting himself in scoring position like he has in the past. He’s 5-5 in stolen bases which makes up for it in the smallest amount, but he isn’t hitting doubles or homers. I like doubles and homers, but sometimes getting on base and playing great defense is fine from shortstop. Obviously, we are winning despite his offensive troubles. He should come around eventually.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio

by BenDuronio on Jul 10, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree he will come around. When Yunel really exceeds, he is hitting the ball to the right field gap. On a positive note he had 2 really good hits to the right side. Sadly he was robbed of one and basicallly walked into 2nd to the delight of Frenchy.

by AJCbeat on Jul 10, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, Wait...

I thought this was a fanpost on Melky. If it is….I love the way Melky hustles, he’s not the fastest guy on the team but he gives it all he’s got when running the bases. I also think he, Hinske and Glaus have brought a winning spirit back to the team that has been lacking for the past couple of years. This team works together like the Braves teams of the 90’s. I love this team! They are So much fun to watch! That don’t give up even when down by several runs they keep giving it their best until the final out!

Washington Tribune, June 29 2010 – "The stonecutters carving Stephen Strasburg’s name onto the Washington Monument have been directed to await further instructions."

by HEYJUDE on Jul 12, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can’t really penalize the guy for not scoring after he reaches base. There are a whole lot of other factors at play there.

"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton

by UMDBHIK on Jul 10, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Melky is fine. Right now, he’s an excellent 4th outfielder, yet disguising as a starting OF. I like Melky, but personally I think Gregor provides better D and can do more in the 8th hole.

Yunel…his defense is beyond spectacular. Great range, good glove, excellent arm. Yet he’s been slumping for 3+ months. He’s been really lazy. Last night, he screwed the pop-up, totally messed up the throw to Glaus and caused him to get hurt, and on a groundball to short he totally loafed down the line. His act is starting to get tiresome I do say.

by ZC1 on Jul 10, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I bet Fredi changes all that next year…

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man

I almost can’t wait to see what happens when Fredi Gonzalez—a fellow Cuban, don’t forget—gets his hands on Yunel. It’ll either end with Yunel developing into an all-star or the Braves trading him. There’s not much in-between.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jul 10, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you think Melky doesn't care,

you clearly haven’t been paying much attention despite having watched as many games as you claim to have watched. Have you seen him after someone gets a big hit? He’s one of the first to celebrate and act goofy. I think he hustles a lot, too. He’s had his share of awkward-looking plays, but that’s not due to laziness, just an inherent kind of weird unathleticism that is a part of his game. He’s not a great player, but he’s certainly not a lazy or apathetic one.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jul 10, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Didn’t somebody mention here that he’s been a solid mentor to the Latin players also? That kind of teamsmanship (a word I just made up) has to count for something.
 
Unless I dreamt reading that.

"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton

by UMDBHIK on Jul 10, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He certainly seems to have a good rapport with them

in the dugout and on the field.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jul 10, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's...

sort of the point of my post.

by floydwiley on Jul 10, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry,

I’m just kind of pissed at the implication that is often expressed around these parts that certain players don’t care. I know you aren’t saying Melky doesn’t care, exactly, but it did kind of sound like it at times (“sometimes Melky gives it his all, sometimes he doesn’t”). I wasn’t really sure what your point was and just wanted to point out that he’s not lazy in case you were saying that. Sorry I misinterpreted.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jul 10, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeh,

I’ve read this nonsense before. It is literally impossible to tell if a player doesn’t care unless he is blatantly lollygagging on a regular basis. I don’t understand how anyone who has watched Melky in the past could think he doesn’t care. I see the exact same player in every way.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio

by BenDuronio on Jul 10, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont want to say I watch every player everyday , but there are very few instances that i can think of where aplayer deliberately loofed a play, Hanley earlier in the year and Manny has from time to time…other than that I can’t think of a lot of instances…sure sometimes guys don’t run out groundballs, but that happens…nearly everyone does it…

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 10, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

If Melky didn’t care, the MELKY CHOP would never work. He has to bust his fat ass down the line to get those infield singles, and I commend him for doing what it takes to beat the throw to the bag.

That’s hustle this fellow fat ass could only wish about having.

-C

by cthabeerman on Jul 10, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Melky = MVP

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jul 10, 2010 2:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Take a look at him in the picture posted in the fanshot.

OK, did you look? Good.

Now, take a loo at this one:

I see at least 10-15 extra pounds (and not the good kind). If Melky were in good shape and still struggling, I probably wouldn’t hate him nearly as much. He’s not (at all, this is some of the laughably worst shape I’ve ever seen an outfielder play in, Andruw Jones territory) and until he is I’m going to continue to dislike him for it, fair or not.

by PWHjort on Jul 11, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

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