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Braves Quote For The Day... Convincing Wags To Stay

From DOB's blog today about Peter Moylan trying to convince Billy Wagner to continue to pitch next year:

"Oh, no," said Moylan, one of Wagner’s biggest fans. "He still loves it. You can tell he still loves it. And I’m still convincing him every day, trying to get him to come back another year."

Keep working on him, Peter. Keep working on him.

Remember when some people were worried about this year's pen?


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2010 - Billy Wagner 4-0 22 0 0 0 9 2 21.1 12 4 4 2 8 33 1.69 .94


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33 strikeouts and 8 walks? That’ll do.

And I always like the Wagner signing. Saito…not so much.

"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- You know he's gonna get you, you just never know when or where."

by Scott Coleman on Jun 3, 2010 5:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

like the saito signing or not

he’s been pretty damned good for us so far.

by atl192485 on Jun 3, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

So far, yes. I’m still worried about that arm though.

"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- You know he's gonna get you, you just never know when or where."

by Scott Coleman on Jun 3, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is just as likely to fall off...

as Moylan’s, O’Flaherty’s, or Wagner’s. Saito has been fine, and even if he does go down, we got Kimbrel and others. He’s been a good signing and much better than say Lyon, Rodney, or any of the other former closers that were available and more expensive.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 3, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen to that

I shudder at the thought of having Rodney or Lyon at the end of the game for us. Yuck.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jun 3, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moylan and EOF aren’t 40 though.

And agreed about Lyon and Rodney. That would’ve been a disaster.

"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- You know he's gonna get you, you just never know when or where."

by Scott Coleman on Jun 3, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or keeping Gonzo, disastrous too...

and don’t get me wrong, I always liked him and he is certainly a better pitcher than either Lyon or Rodney imo. But after their usage last year, it was almost guaranteed that one of Gonzalez or Soriano went down this year. And Gonzo is that one, if not Soriano later (except he’s playing for a contract, and in his history that guarantees his good health).

And just cause Moylan and EOF aren’t 40 doesn’t mean they aren’t possible to go down. Relievers are pretty much all a roll of the dice on health from year to year and month to month. Saito no more than any other. Besides he wasn’t used harsh last year in that deep Red Sox pen, so aside from age, he seems a safer bet to me than our two departed closers, among others.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 3, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Bobby can just remember

not to use him 3 straight nights or anything else like that, he’ll be just fine. Even Bobby should be able to learn to not use a 40 year old 3 straight nights, right?

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jun 3, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

+1

I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. ~ Crash Davis

by Old Braves' Fan on Jun 3, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

……….

"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."

by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jun 3, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The’ve both worked out great, though. The only times Saito has been bad has been when Bobby has clearly overworked him. Other than that, he’s been dominant.

I’m so glad we have Wags and Saito and not Soriano and Gonzalez. Wags and Saito are cheaper and better (Soriano is still good, but I still prefer Wagner).

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jun 3, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we should

go all “Lebron” and start putting up billboards and making fan videos to convince him to stay

Lead off walks usually lead to runs, unless they don't. -Joe Simpson

by Chapel420 on Jun 3, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

REC'D...

I love it when I plan comes together.

by XBEARDX on Jun 4, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good to know

Would love to see Wags close games for the Braves next year if he’s as able as he is now and actually wants to do it.

I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. ~ Crash Davis

by Old Braves' Fan on Jun 3, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

i have loved this pen since we signed both Wags and Saito

however to be honest (and I could be wrong) I think most, or at least some, of those against the signings were more worried about Bobby’s use of this year’s pen – i.e. repeatedly throwing a 38 and a 40 year old out there 3 consecutive nights or 5 times a week. Their worries will probably not be completely erased until the end of the year.

But I would love to see “the Sandman” there next year, once he’s able and willing of course

by ByrneSupremacy on Jun 3, 2010 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

What if the bravos feel like kimbrel is ready to be our closer by next year? Do we block him for another year of wags?

Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!

by Brave Neander on Jun 3, 2010 5:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

He won't be "blocked"

He’ll just pitch the 7th or 8th inning.

Also, I think it’s getting a bit ahead of ourselves to assume Kimbrel is going to be ready to close any time soon. He’s very young and has not ironed out his control issues yet. I wouldn’t count on him being ready to close until 2012 at the earliest. Though I do want him in the pen by the end of this season, so he can get his feet wet vs. MLB competition.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jun 3, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS

And if I were predicting a non-Wags closer next year, it’d be Saito, Moylan, or Medlen, not Kimbrel.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 3, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or

just to throw out a dark horse, a Jonny Venters / Kris Medlen L/R tag team.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jun 3, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or

We sign or trade for a veteran arm to become our closer. Similar to what we did with Wags and Saito this year.

"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- You know he's gonna get you, you just never know when or where."

by Scott Coleman on Jun 3, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, sure.

But we might have more pressing needs (replacing Chipper, etc.).

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jun 3, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess. Just giving an option since Kimbrel shouldn’t and won’t be our 2011 closer.

"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- You know he's gonna get you, you just never know when or where."

by Scott Coleman on Jun 3, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glaus to replace Chipper

Chipper retires with Bobby after the WS win this year.

by Bobby Cocks on Jun 3, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

My knuckles are a bit sore from knocking on that wooden table

...fuck lucky charms

by VivaLosBravos on Jun 3, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

or does that only work to prevent stuff

I’m not sure I understand superstition

...fuck lucky charms

by VivaLosBravos on Jun 3, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to think...

with the guys we have under contract and coming up, we won’t need to sign or trade for an arm for a few years and just use within.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 3, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

no tag team...

they never seem to work. Medlen could do it, he gets good K rates and works lefties well. Saito has the experience, and has one more year left to offer him arbitration. Moylan just seems like the guy next in line, but you could argue he serves better value being able to use him every other day and in any situation than he would in a restricted role of closer.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 3, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this completely.

I think if we manage to keep Wagner next year, then we get rid of Saito and let Kimbrel be the setup man. He’d then transition to closer in 2012 after Wagner retires.

"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."

by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jun 3, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep on him, Pete

"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
"i’m going to keep stats on you for as long as it humors me….target is unclear" - BMacAttack (Hohn's queef)

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 3, 2010 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s wanted to be a Brave for years, I think coming back is a possibility. Didn’t he announce before the team’s turnaround. A playoff run might change his mind.

Heyward is pretty good

by bighop on Jun 3, 2010 6:09 PM EDT reply actions  

WAGNER IS OVERPAID AND HE COST US OUR FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE.

-C

by cthabeerman on Jun 3, 2010 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

i feel like this is a trap?

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jun 3, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

+ as many internet points as you want

Now with brine shrimp!

Don't kiss an ass if it's in the process of shitting on you.

"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09

by buzzdeadwax on Jun 3, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

FAIL!

“You can’t propel repel flavor of that magnitude!”

Don't kiss an ass if it's in the process of shitting on you.

"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09

by buzzdeadwax on Jun 4, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, I can't stay up for most of the games this series

School tomorrow and SAT Saturday and my computer can’t connect to the Internet right now I’m at the library.
Life Sucks.

by bravesforever16 on Jun 3, 2010 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

if you are just now taking the SAT….let me tell you life does not suck for you yet …at least not if the worst that is going on is the School/SAT/Internet issues.

/dismount off high horse

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jun 3, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

this.

"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson

by 10-4 on Jun 4, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

useful tip...

If you get hung up on one problem, don’t spend 10 minutes on it. Skip it. Go back to it later.

"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
"i’m going to keep stats on you for as long as it humors me….target is unclear" - BMacAttack (Hohn's queef)

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 3, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

I took mine about 3 years ago and I spent wayy too much time over the wrong questions.

"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- You know he's gonna get you, you just never know when or where."

by Scott Coleman on Jun 3, 2010 6:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

thats just good general test taking advice

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jun 3, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I hadn’t been so hungover and sleep deprived when I took the SAT, I think I would have scored higher.

by fandave on Jun 3, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe...

…But only a nerd would show up to the SAT test sober and well-rested.

Don't kiss an ass if it's in the process of shitting on you.

"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09

by buzzdeadwax on Jun 3, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny story about that....

The second time I took the SAT I took it still a little drunk from the night before and scored 100 points better on both categories.

Too bad that didn’t work out nearly as well for my college tests.

by DogDaysofSummer on Jun 3, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

ACT...

anyone? anyone? freakin’ coastal people

by foxrobe on Jun 3, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

there’s the line take a stand america we are at war

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jun 3, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m proctoring one….yay me

We have traded away great players for less than nothing and let Texierra walk away, and much much more so pray that Hayward is sent from God and that his energy can ignite the veterans and cause the younger players to hustle more and play winning baseball...

by bpk228480 on Jun 3, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been in the tutoring field for a while now

and I can tell you 2 things that will help you right now besides the obvious (get some rest and so on).

1) Don’t study the day before. Give your brain a break.
2) If you’ve eliminated at least 1 answer, guessing is at least as good as leaving it blank. If you’ve eliminated 2 or more, guessing is always better than leaving it blank.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Jun 3, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dodgers lineup

Furcal SS
Kemp CF
Ethier RF
Ramirez LF
Loney 1B
Blake 3B
Martin C
DeWitt 2B
Kuroda P

Looking forward to a good series.

by Eric Stephen on Jun 3, 2010 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Furcal is a little weinerhead. And does Martin still have the “J” for his mom on the uniform?

"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- You know he's gonna get you, you just never know when or where."

by Scott Coleman on Jun 3, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont know but i looked up his full name and wowsers

Russell Nathan Jeanson Coltrane Martin, Jr.

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jun 3, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

COLE TRAIN!

"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- You know he's gonna get you, you just never know when or where."

by Scott Coleman on Jun 3, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cole @ Gears of War Pictures, Images and Photos

"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- You know he's gonna get you, you just never know when or where."

by Scott Coleman on Jun 3, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s my boy right there.

"UNLIKE CYBORG REYES JOJO MY CPU DOES NOT REQUIRE 'EARNED RUNS' FOR NOURISHMENT"

by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 4, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

that’s a serious two-dollar “handle” right there!

I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. ~ Crash Davis

by Old Braves' Fan on Jun 3, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did last night when I caught part of the Dodgers-D-bax game. And I never knew why he had the “J.” Thanks for clueing me in.

I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. ~ Crash Davis

by Old Braves' Fan on Jun 3, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I follow

soccer too much was expecting a very different kind of WAGs

by otisnixon'sparty on Jun 3, 2010 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Ask and you shall receive

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jun 3, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

If wags doesnt come back

i say make Lowe the closer and put Medlen in the rotation

by drumzalicious on Jun 4, 2010 1:48 AM EDT reply actions  

/raises hand
 
I was concerned about our bullpen when we brought in two guys whose combined ages would make them a candidate for Medicare and also had both suffered significant arm injuries. However, those two have been the least of the bullpen’s problem. So I can say that I clearly underestimated them.
 
Also, Jamie Kotsay can come whack my weeds any day of the week. Maybe twice on Sunday if I got a nap in.

"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton

by UMDBHIK on Jun 4, 2010 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

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