Bullpen Coalition Shines as Braves top Phillies, 4-1
Through 5 innings, this game looked like the same old story. Braves starter pitches decently but leaves trailing 1-0? Check. No hits from Braves' position players? Check. Frustrating double plays? Check. Seven men left on base (all by Troy Glaus!)? Check.
From there, though, the script reversed itself. In the 6th inning, the Braves broke through against Phillies starter Joe Blanton. Chipper Jones led off with an infield hit, then moved to second on a solid single by Brian McCann. One batter later, Eric Hinske roped a double off the right-field wall, tying the game at 1. Melky Cabrera followed with a solid RBI single to put the Braves in front (that's right--2 clutch hits in one inning!). Omar Infante added on with a sac fly to give the Braves a 3-1 lead.
That would be Blanton's last inning. His final line: 6 IP, 3 R, 5 H, 2 BB, 3 K, and a -0.089 WPA. Troy Glaus saved himself from goat-dom by singling in a run off Danys Baez in the 9th. Had he made an out there, he would have left 11 men on base in the game, which seems like it would have been a record.
(Bullpen props and Awards after the jump...)
Though the Braves' offense wasn't great tonight, the 4 runs they provided would more than enough for the Braves' pitchers. This was a great showing by the bullpen. Kris Medlen did an admirable job in the spot start, making it through 4.1 innings and giving up only 1 run. He worked around 9 hits but did not walk anyone.
Medlen was followed by 6 Braves relievers, nearly all of whom pitched great. Eric O'Flaherty got Medlen out of a jam in the 5th. Craig Kimbrel was wild, walking 2 of the 3 batters he faced in the 6th, but Peter Moylan got a huge double play to end the threat. In the 7th, it was Moylan's turn to be saved, as he put the tying runs on 2nd and 3rd with 2 out. Jonny Venters came in and got Ryan Howard to fly out to end the inning (Howard is already 0/3 off Venters).
Takashi Saito blew away the Phillies in the 8th, striking out 2 (including Jayson Werth). Finally, Billy Wagner closed out the win with a 1-2-3 inning, including a strikeout of Chase Utley. All in all, it was a great game for our bullpen, who continue to show that they are this team's greatest strength. For anyone who lived through the Chris Reitsma era, this bullpen is a godsend. Frank Wren (and the farm system) deserve tons of credit for acquiring and developing so many solid-to-dominant relievers.
It's great to know that the Braves won't be swept in this series. With a good effort tomorrow, we can even take the series and even up the road trip at 3-3. By the way, for all the moaning that's been going on, the Braves have won 5 of 8. I know 3 of those wins were against the Astros, but still. Once Heyward and Escobar come back, who knows what might happen?
Awards
MVPs: The Braves' bullpen-- 4.2 IP, 0 R, 0 H, 4 BB, 3 K, and a combined 0.357 WPA (0.420 if you don't count Kimbrel)
Honorable Mention MVPs: Kris Medlen-- 4.1 IP, 9 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 3 K, and a 0.089 WPA pitching, and 1/2 with a 0.040 WPA hitting; Eric Hinske-- 1/3, BB, RBI double, R, and a 0.096 WPA; also Mac and Chipper-- each 1/3 with 2 BBs and a run.
LVP: Wilson Valdez-- 0/4, K, GIDP, and a -0.244 WPA
MVPILE (MVP in a losing effort): Shane Victorino-- 1/4, RBI, BB, SB, and 0.086 WPA
Clutch plays (more than 1!): Hinske's RBI double (0.177 WPA) and Moylan getting Valdez to GIDP to end the 6th (0.141 WPA)
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Go Braves!
I sure hope Heyward makes the game on Sunday. But I’m glad the Braves proved they can win without him, especially because of the bullpen. (though not preferably!) I was also glad to see Chipper hitting this game!
Jason Heyward is the reason that Chuck Norris parks his car in a garage.
uh oh
DOB tweet: Chipper had a mild groin strain on his infield hit in the sixth inning, but says he expects to play tomorrow.
Chipper is now up there with Mike Hampton, IMHO. Whenever Chip tweaks, strains, or does anything to his body, it’s not even surprising anymore.
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
by Scott Coleman on May 8, 2010 7:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mr. Glass...
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it looked like he hurt himself again…dangit. I think at this point, he should just sit and get healthy until this road trip is over. He’s not healing continuing to go out there night after night and staying injured.
Sometimes I wish BJ had kept his mouth shut, who knows how many games we might have done better if he had not been in the lineup trying to play at less than 100% because of maybe trying to prove himself after that happened.
"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West
Wow. Kind of a stressful game to watch, but the result was great. Was anyone else a little surprised to see Kimbrel come in when he did?
"Dum spiro spero"
by Bravely going forward on May 8, 2010 7:37 PM EDT reply actions
Me.
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
by Scott Coleman on May 8, 2010 7:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just like there’s the Derek Lowe Win, I think we now need a new category “Troy Glaus RBI” for a hitter who fails to drive in a run all day despite multiple opportunities then redeems himself with a weak single.
Troy Glaus does not hit weak singles….
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope...
If it were a weak single, he wouldn’t have made it to first. Fact.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
This!
I can’t believe the hate for Troy Glaus. Good God, what does he have to do for some ppl to give him a break?
It seems as though he must hit a HR every game to please some. The guy was a cheap pick up. If he just hits singles all season, we still get our moneys worth, as I step off my ban box……
well...
he did leave 9 guys on base today AND has only hit 2 HRs…there is reason to be angry at Glaus…
by SouthernPanther on May 8, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
I’m not saying get rid of Glaus…i’m just saying the hate towards Glaus isn’t totally unfounded…
by SouthernPanther on May 8, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m just saying the hate towards Glaus isn’t totally unfounded
thats is completely and utterly wrong
there is no justification for hating a player for not playing well. There are numerous reasons for hating people, them saying stupid stuff, not trying hard, being an ass, not putting an appropriate amount of bend on the bill of a hat. But not playing great is hardly a reason. If he wasn’t trying hard, or if he didn’t seem to care, then you might be able to make an argument that the hate is properly founded.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
FUGA and Joe Johnson (not baseball related but after his comments tonight) are just a few people to come to mind that are worth hating.
"Braves fans in the hizzy" -Boog
"Is that like the crib?" - Joe
by GwinnettBraves on May 9, 2010 4:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
THIS
Troy hasn’t hit well, but his play at first (a new position) has been almost flawless, and, as noted elswhere in this thread, his batting average is pretty close to his lifetime BA. He spent most of last season on the DL. He’s been trying hard and hasn’t been a total jerk. He hasn’t given us reason to hate him. I can understand frustration with him, but then the whole offense has been a frustrating disappointment.
You’re expecting far too much for $1.75mil….
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
he may only cost us 1.75 mil....
…but shouldn’t i be expecting more out of our #5 hitter…it has nothing to do with his price…but the #5 batter HAS to be more productive for our team to succeed.
by SouthernPanther on May 8, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s been the 2nd most productive guy on the team….
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
simply cause he has had the most chances to drive in runs at the #5 spot...
how many times has troy GIDP with the bases loaded and 1 out or struck out with runners on. the #2 batter isn’t going to drive in runs like the guy hitting #5, thats arguably the only reason glaus is the 2nd most productive guy on the team. I’m all for keeping gluas, I just understand why a lot of people hate Glaus.
by SouthernPanther on May 8, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s hitting like .236. He’s a career .255 hitter. That’s not too far off, especially considering he missed last season and the entire team is struggling even more than that. He is tied for 2nd in HRs (sadly), 3rd in slugging % (I think) and 2nd in RBIs. Is it because of the spot he’s hitting in the lineup? Maybe. Would anyone else currently on the team be doing any better in that spot? Doubtful. As for the GIDPs….he went through a short phase where he was doing that a lot, but he actually hasn’t in a while now. He’s been hitting a lot more line drives lately. It’s hard to hit into a double play off a line drive (although, he did actually have that happen to him once this season – bad luck).
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
he's definitely swinging the bat better
glad his avg is up…it was an abysmal for a while. I hope he starts hitting more XBH though…he only has 4 all year. 2 HRs and 2 2Bs, for now…I’ll take the W today and be happy. Hopefully we can win tomorrow!
by SouthernPanther on May 8, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m afraid Glaus may not hit many XBHs, other than HRs. He’s just too damn slow. However, most of his singles are good enough to score a runner from second. Some of them seem like they could even score a runner from first. So, in a sense, his singles are doing the job of XBHs. He just needs to start hitting them more when runners are on, instead of when the bases are empty.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
a little bit more timely hitting would be nice…i think thats all people are asking for
by SouthernPanther on May 8, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It really is Troy’s fault that people are not on base when he gets hits.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 9, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
please tell me you're joking
every time he came up to bat yesterday there were at least 2 men on base. He has been batting all year with the bases loaded or two on and routinely GIDPs or strikes out. I’m okay with arguing with people who make since but don’t get delusional in your defense of Troy.
by SouthernPanther on May 9, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Sweet post.
Never mind the fact that he’s had 48 plate appearances with RISP so far this year. The RBI leader in MLB is Miguel Cabrera…he’s had 36 plate appearances. He has 32 RBI’s.
The Triple Crown leader in the NL (Andre Ethier) has had 37 Plate Appearances with RISP. He has 32 RBI’s.
Heyward has had 32 Plate Appearances with RISP. He has 26 RBI’s.
So I really don’t think that Glaus not getting opportunities is the problem here. In those 48 PA’s, his slash line is .244/.333/.341. With the bases loaded (8 PA’s), its .000/.125/.000.
by dunnytwogloves on May 9, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Uh oh...
stats provided. What will justin say now?
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
How many hits does Troy have with nobody in scoring position?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 9, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
So Troy isn’t hitting with runners in scoring position as well as some of the best players in the game.
Cool.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 9, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah….ya know, I’m sure there are like a dozen guys hitting better with RISP than Troy. Nevermind that they all probably make at least 5x his salary….
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 9, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
once again
if he can’t hit well with RISP, than he shouldn’t be hitting 5th…
by SouthernPanther on May 9, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
not anywhere close though
he has had a lot more opportunties (48 vs. 36 and 37) yet has significantly less RBIs (16 vs. 36 and 32). He isn’t anywhere close to those guys, with that many appearances he should do better than 16. 0/8 with the bases loaded is unacceptable
by SouthernPanther on May 9, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll grant you one thing in that. The 0/8 with bases loaded is pretty bad. But, is it possible that it’s just that small sample size thing rearing its ugly head again?
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 9, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe...
I guess we’ll find out through more of the season. I sure hope he turns things around with RISP, if he can get hot with RISP we are gonna score a lot more runs.
by SouthernPanther on May 9, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait, you mean that 3 ABs by one guy aren’t enough to crucify him?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 9, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Troy had a bad game yesterday – which is what we are talking about (his 8 LOB).
So, since TG had a bad game, we should dump him, right?
Since TG isn’t hitting as well as Miguel Cabrera, we should dump him, right?
Since TG is a .250 career hitter, and he hit .250 yesterday, we should dump him, right?
Since TG hits the ball harder than anyone else, but is running into all kinds of bad luck lately, we should dump him, right?
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 9, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree. If he only hits single we are beyond screed! Who cares how much he costs. The Braves got him to produce. It’s not crazy to want your #5 hitter to be more productive & show a little power. 9 LOB’s are brutal.
Read my post above. You seem to be confusing the actual number of bases in an XBH with the purpose of the XBH.
The 9 LOBs were brutal, but it’s not as if he’s the only guy on the team stranding massive numbers of runners. I’m pretty sure Melky has stranded even more than Glaus, while hitting lower in the order.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget
Glaus was the only person who prevented Moyer from throwing a perfecto last night. He just had one bad game. It happens.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on May 8, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
good point
i would not be able to handle 2 no-nos in less than a months time
by SouthernPanther on May 8, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Troy Glaus had a hit 2 days ago that hit the wall – for a single. He hits the ball as hard as anyone else in the league. Stop complaining about his singles.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 9, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Thumbs Up!
Now waiting for multiple posts and constant bitching from a certain “just incredible” blogger – ahem.
by Nova Scotia Steve on May 8, 2010 8:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll fill in for him.
KK is a good pitcher. If we’re swapping someone for Medlen, make it D. Lowe.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for Stepping Up
FANTASTIC – #5 if i remember correctly. 0-7 tomorrow… I hear Mark Bowman already has the game recap written….Kawakami will give up a few hits/runs and come out of the game because of a “blister”….and before you know it the Braves will be tippin caps and flying to Milwaukee!
by Nova Scotia Steve on May 8, 2010 8:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
0-7, eh?
He’s somehow going to pick up two losses tomorrow?
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't rule it out...
by Nova Scotia Steve on May 8, 2010 8:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ha...
That’s all you get. Not even a full laugh…
If you ever want to argue in good faith, please do so. The main point of contention seems to be whether Kawakami is, or is not, one of (if not THE) best #5 starters in the majors. I actually challenge you to find a #5 starter from another team and show a favorable comparison between his stats and KK’s. For that matter, compare KK’s stats against D. Lowe’s…
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I just really find it difficult
To continue to defend a guy who is 0-5 with an ERA of 5.47 and opponents are hitting almost .300 against the guy. Like really. You’re telling me teams like the Twins, Rays, Yankeeseven Blue Jays or Phillies don’t have good serviced # 5’s with better #’s??
by Nova Scotia Steve on May 8, 2010 9:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes.
I’m telling you exactly that. But, you’ll refuse to believe it as long as you keep focusing on W-L records. You do realize that winning or losing a game is not under the pitcher’s control, right? A guy can go out and throw a perfect game for 8.2 IP in a scoreless affair until he walks one batter, only to be pulled by his manager, who brings in a reliever, who gives up a triple, thus giving up a run and having the loss credited to the starter who pitched a gem and was worthy of the win.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I Agree
A “guy” can go out and throw a perfect game for 8.2 innings. But that guy won’t be Kenshin Kawakami.
by Nova Scotia Steve on May 8, 2010 9:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I seem to recall a game pretty close to perfect that he pitched….
And the losing pitcher was the #1 on one of those teams you tried to claim have better #5s than KK.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
he's pitched one great game...
…hes pitched several crappy ones
I’m not one of the people who wants KK yanked…but I don’t think his duel with Holladay holds much water anymore…
by SouthernPanther on May 8, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't just one game!
He pitched a good half dozen GEMS last year. The Halladay one was just the shiniest gem. He’s pitched two great games this year and taken losses in both of them. It’s getting ridiculous how much people hate on KK for not winning, when he gets ZERO run support. D. Lowe’s pitched far worse games than KK this year. And JJ pitched the worst game of any Braves’ starter this year. Why aren’t those two being attacked?
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
D. Lowe
certainly has been attacked…I agree he is worse than KK. People aren’t attacking JJ because he is a big cog in he future of the braves. I’m just saying, I agree, KK is a solid #5, but naturally when a guy is 0-5 with a 5.47 ERA people are gonna be calling for his head…
by SouthernPanther on May 8, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
But they shouldn’t be calling for his head more loudly than they call for D. Lowe’s! KK pitches better and gets paid less for it. His W-L record is only worse because the offense refuses to show up on days he pitches. It has to be frustrating for him.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree
but when a guy’s ERA is that high…and he has no wins (which i totally understand is not his fault), naturally it is going to happen. I’m on your side, I’m just trying to represent the other side of the argument.
by SouthernPanther on May 8, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Miracles Do Happen....
I see “The Miracle in Atlanta” game is being discussed. That was LAST YEAR. What have you done for me lately???? PS i hope KK wins tomorrow…but i’ll tell you one thing – i sure as shit wouldn’t bet on it.
by Nova Scotia Steve on May 8, 2010 10:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
KK
nearly beat Tim Lincecum in SF.
“What have you done for me lately” is not a good approach to judging players, at least not when the “lately” encompasses all of 5 starts.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on May 8, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I already alluded to that start in this thread. No one seems to care. They just fixate on the 0-5 record.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
JJ is not a cog in our future. He is trade bait or a free agent.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 9, 2010 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
what???
Justin, how could say that? You’re not satisfied unless you have an argument (some justified, some ignorant). If I came out and said jj would be traded or allowed to walk in FA you’d probably tell me how stupid I am, and how terrible a braves fan I am. He’s been hurt and ruffed up so far this year, but he was one of the best pitchers in the nl last year. He should be next in line (right up there with heyward) for a lucrative contract extension.
Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!
by Brave Neander on May 9, 2010 8:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He is a Scott Boras client who has pitched better than his periphs for 2 seasons.
I never once have told anyone that they are a terrible fan, btw.
The fact that he was one of the best pitchers in the NL only supports my thoughts that he is trade bait or going to be a F/A.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 9, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not always out of their control. The Rays have a better #5 starter. So KK does not get that title, so far this year.
That's true.
And you could probably find a couple more #5 guys who are clearly better. But KK has to be one of the top 5-6 #5 starters, I would think. He deserves to be a starter in MLB.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on May 8, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I've got a suggestion for your next post...
Do a comprehensive analysis on the #5 starters for each team for last season, and this season so far. I’d be interested to see how KK actually ranks objectively.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That's interesting.
Kind of tricky, given the fluid nature of many teams’ #5 slots. But I guess if their #5 starter is fluid, that means the guy in there is likely not very good. I could stick to just the guys who have been in the rotation for at least a certain number of starts.
Thanks for the idea.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on May 8, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If a team used mainly 2 guys as a #5, you could average their stats. If they trotted out a different #5 every week, it could be tricky, though.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you add some #4s and #3s from teams with winning records last year too? You know…just to finally make some people (NSS) shut up about all of this?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 9, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Better yet...
Why don’t we do a comprehensive analysis of pitchers who have signed a contract for 3 years at $23 million + perks (or better) and see how that analysis plays out.
I suspect KK will be towards the bottom of that list, although he’s at least got Lowe beat.
We didn’t invest in this guy to be a mediocre 5th starter, and if we did it’s a boneheaded move. There’s a reason why all these other teams rotate prospects, young players, long relievers and veteran retreads into the 5th slot – it’s so they can have millions of dollars of payroll freed up to invest in other things…like offense, defense, baserunning, etc.
Sweet post.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 9, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Emphasis on "so far"
The Rays, while being a good team, have been playing at a ridiculously high level this season. The Braves, also a good team, have been playing at an inexplicably horrendous level this season. It will balance out some, eventually. It’s that damn small sample size thing…
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Ain't it a bitch?
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on May 8, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I never once bitched. The people crying about Kawakami are the ones bitching. I just post his stats.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 9, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Hope you folks are right. Gutsy job by Medlin today. No way he shouldn’t be in the rotation given the way a couple of them have pitched.
By who?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 9, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great win!!
Takes a lot of pressure off. I was hoping for a sweep of the Brewers to make this a successful road trip. Coming into the road trip I was hoping for at least a 4-5 road trip. Just gotta split the next four. Go braves!! Gotta keep scratching out wins till the bats heat up. Schedule finally gets humane for the rest of the month.
Braves Win! Braves Win!
Time to bust out!
Diaz on the offensive slump:
“I know it’s not from a lack of work or a lack of effort,” Diaz said. “We’re all down in the cage doing what we can do. If we all do bust out at the same time, it could be dangerous. We just hope that day comes sooner rather than later.”
Looking forward to said breakout on Sunday—hopefully J-Hey will be back!
Jason Heyward is the reason that Chuck Norris parks his car in a garage.
great win today!
too many LOB, but i’ll take it!
Tigers love pepper; they hate cinnamon.
by Jareth Cutestory on May 8, 2010 8:06 PM EDT reply actions
Didn’t you make this same post in the OT? :-p
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
TBS has a bad spell check program. They spelled Heyward’s name: “Hayward”!
http://www.tbs.com/sports/mlb/
Jason Heyward is the reason that Chuck Norris parks his car in a garage.
Blasphemers...
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the same article here as below, I'm sure
The Associated Press author is to blame-ESPN doesn’t write up their own game recaps, and neither does TBS.
Has anyone seen mlb.com "pulse?"
Sorry if this has been mentioned before. For those of you on twitter, it shows the tweet volume of each team (which is somewhat inaccurate since an opposing team’s fans could include #braves and vice versa with braves fans and the opposing team) on an inning by inning basis. Our highest tweet volume in the entire game? After having the bases loaded with one out in the first and not scoring… Braves fans must like to complain more than they like to celebrate (or Phillies’ fans were including #braves in their celebratory/derogatory posts)…
I dunno, but I see know reason as to why the braves would get rid of him. He’s good…real good.
Jason Heyward is the reason that Chuck Norris parks his car in a garage.
Umm, because this season is over and we could actually get some more prospects from
one of the very few tradeable commodities that we have
Last I checked...
There was still over 80% of the season left.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Fail at life/posting/IQ/reality/fanhood
"I should have been like, 'Thank you, new guy. Don’t try the veal!'" - Chief Noc-A-Homa (Hohn's offspring)
by BMacAttack on May 8, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If ATL falls out of the play-off race
The FO should trade Wagner to a contender so he has a chance for a ring!
by Nova Scotia Steve on May 8, 2010 9:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He'd have to ok the trade.
I’m pretty sure Wags has a no trade clause.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade talk? Really? Little early for that. Offense has been pathetic, but it will get better. 5 games out in EARLY May. Golly, no teams ever come back against those odds.
Braves Win! Braves Win!
Why the hell is this a reply to my post?
Have you read my posts in this thread at all?
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok.
But, just for the record: I’m not advocating trading anyone (except maybe Melky).
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok….D. Lowe, too. Finding another team willing to take on his salary would be an epic win for Frank Wren.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be insane to pay players based on performance. I remember the smoking deal we got on Hampton.
Braves Win! Braves Win!
If anyone here is actually insane enough to believe that this team has a shot at the
playoffs, that is your problem/inability to deal with reality. You probably also clung to that hope last year.
D. Lowe and Melky are not tradeable commodities. They are hot garbage. Wagner and Medlen are about the only players the Braves would be willing to trade that would bring anything valuable in return. It is definitely time to start looking to next year and beyond.
Last year's team?
You mean the one that was two games out of the playoffs with 6 games left… Yeah, they never had a chance. There was never any hope.
/ sarcasm.
At least there are a couple rational people here besides me. Thanks.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet you withdrew from all your college courses after getting a C on the first test, didn’t you?
Don’t give up on a team in May. Ever. Come mid-July, if we’re 10+ games out of a playoff spot, we can have this conversation. Until then, you’d be better served to remember that a team’s record on May 8th is not a great indicator of its final record.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on May 8, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Come mid-July, if we’re 10+ games out of a playoff spot
the 2007 Rockies would like to talk with you about that statement (althought admittedly they are probably the exception that proves the rule, although there are numerous of instances of it happening
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Braves don’t give out no-trade clauses. If they would have, we would likely have landed A-Rod before he signed with Texas.
And he’s not a 10-and-5 guy.
by dunnytwogloves on May 9, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Vazquez had a partial no trade clause.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 9, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
The Braves didn’t give it to him though.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 9, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
such a stressful game!!
the damn ump wouldn’t give us a call, and our bats took forever to get going. but watching the bullpen blow this potent phils lineup away was satisfying!!! Go Bravos for tomorrow!!!!
medlen gave up 9 hits.
just fyi. don’t forget this. We were lucky we only gave up 1 run. we were really one or two XBH from blowing it wide open.
He wasn’t giving up XBHs, though. That was the key that allowed him to strand so many Phillies on the bases today.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugly win. But whatever. If they can not get stomped out for the remainder of this road trip, they have a chance to gain ground. Schedule has been brutal. Starting with the brewers, the schedule gets better
Braves Win! Braves Win!
Why was it such an ugly win? It was a very solid win, IMO.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The amazing amount of men they leave on base stresses me out. All wins are nice, but I didn’t relax to the final out
Braves Win! Braves Win!
But, that's just baseball....
It’s hard to relax before the final out in ANY game, unless it’s a blow out.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
2 questions
a) Why did Medlen only go 4.1 innings?
b) what are the early returns on Krimbel? How good is he? I’m yet to see him get in a game
"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"
A) Medlen pitched relief just a few days ago (and twice total this week), and he’s used to pitching only 2-3 innings in relief appearances. Therefore, he wasn’t stretched out enough to pitch more than 5 innings tonight. Everyone accepted that going into today’s game.
B) CK was apparently sharp last night (I didn’t get to see it, either), but he showed a bit of his characteristic lack of control in today’s game. Of course, it was partially the umpire’s screwy strike zone, too (3 good strikes got called as balls). Bobby pulled him and brought in Moylan to induce a GIDP to end the inning. CK definitely throws hard, though. That’s for damn sure.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He threw 88 pitches
and his first start and obviously longest outing of the season. Too bad he didn’t make 5 innings. He’s going to be a gooder – already is. Kris Medlen has really impressed me this year. its time to give him a shot. BC is already using him in pressure situations this year and he has responded really well IMO. He should get another start.
by Nova Scotia Steve on May 8, 2010 9:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
WTG Boys
Ahh, I feel so much better when the Braves win. Hopefully Kawakami can pitch good Sunday and get some run support.
Answer to a. Medlans conditioned to be a reliever. I heard Bobby wanted 75 pitches from him. He threw damn near 90. Great effort
Braves Win! Braves Win!
Who?
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 9, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Kawakami has come to a point where he must win. You can only be awful for a certain amount of time. I’m fairly confident he’ll pitch well tomorrow—I just hope the offense will explode.
Jason Heyward is the reason that Chuck Norris parks his car in a garage.
I'm with you Joe
our offense should explode and make the Braves the best offense in the NL east
...in dixie land i'll take my stand: rooting for Atlanta
Kawakami was pretty good in his last start.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 9, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
You MUST be using extreme sarcasm
IP H R ER HR BB K
5.0 7 3 3 2 0 1
Thats his last start….the only thing acceptable on that stat line is 0 walks.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
6.0 IP and 3 ER is a QS. He could’ve pitched an extra inning, but Bobby pinch hit for him. And the 0 walks is more than acceptable – that’s spectacular. Do you realize how rare it is for a starter to give up 0 walks?
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 9, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
No sarcasm. That is a pretty good start.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 9, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
7 hits and 2 HR?
hahahaha
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
in 5 innings from a #5 starter? Yes.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 9, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell me if I'm crazy
Followed the game on AtBat while at work, and the boxscore said we had 22 LOB. I’m glad for the win but I must’vs stared at that for 5 minutes wondering how the hell it was possibe with I think 7 hits and 6 walks?
Happily supporting non-championship teams and self-medicating since 1996.
by chantshuffler on May 8, 2010 10:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You're right...
22 LOB isn’t possible. I think the actual number should be around 11-12?
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Theoretically a team could leave 27 runners on base in a nine inning game.
There could be alot of dropped 3rd strikes to have that happen. Maybe Wakefield is on the mound?
Doesn't take any funny business.
If a team leaves the bases loaded in all 9 innings, that adds up to 27.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on May 8, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
it counts people more than once
say there are two on with 1 out. The next person up strikes out leaving 2 on base. Then the next guy up strikes out two…leaving those same two on base. Well it counts both batters as leaving two men on base. see what I’m saying?
by SouthernPanther on May 8, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't know it counted like that?
That seems kinda screwy…
That would allow for 81 LOB in a normal 9 inning game.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
only on gameday...
it keeps track of individual LOB. The team LOB stat was more around 11 or 12
by SouthernPanther on May 8, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
11
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on May 8, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Summing the individual LOB of everyone on the team seems like a pointless number.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems like that
because it is pointless.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on May 8, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
well...
thats where people are getting the stats like Glaus left 9 on base today…
by SouthernPanther on May 8, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
That’s being applied to Glaus. Glaus is an individual player – not the entire team.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at "Team LOB". For this game, our team LOB was 11.
the individual numbers added together double count, because they count LOB with less than 2 out. So Glaus and Hinske both got 3 LOB in the 1st even though only one of them ended the inning.
Individual LOB also counts guys who end up scoring. So for instance when Glaus lined out in the 6th with 2 on, he was credited with 2 LOB in his column, but both of those guys actually scored, so they’re really not LOBs in the team sense.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on May 8, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks...that's what I was going by.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
what everybody else said
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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"i’m going to keep stats on you for as long as it humors me….target is unclear" - BMacAttack (Hohn's queef)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 9, 2010 12:30 AM EDT reply actions
GREAT win today
i hope d. lowe was watching medlan pitch. although he gave up a bunch of singles he put up one really important 0 on the board today: 0BB. we have a phenomenal bullpen as we saw today. the offense will come around, and the starting pitching will be dominant. at some point all three of these will come together and we will be a force in the NL. will we turn it around in time to make the playoffs? well that’s what we play 162 games to find out.
In games like this
The official scorer should have option to assign the win to a starter, even though he didn’t go five. I wouldn’t want to make that a habit (and very few guys who went less than five would even deserve one), but when you have a guy who is a spot starter with medium expectations for pitch count going in, he should be eligible. No big deal, but Meds deserved a “W” for his effort today.
And I couldn’t care less how many guys Glaus left on. He brought home the one who gave Billy enough room to work.
I’m also glad Saito rebounded from his last outing. He looked fabulous today.
The Braves were losing 1-0 when Medlin left the game. That’s why he didn’t get the win. The 5 inning rule had nothing to do with it.
They took the lead in the 6th inning. That’s why EOF got the win, eventhough he only threw three pitches (!!!). He was the pitcher of record when the Braves took the lead…luck of the Irish.
I thoroughly enjoyed the game
Medlen did a wonderful job in his outing, and as much as I have cringed watching Prado and Chipper allow balls to pass the last few games, the pitchers and defense have been absolutely rabid about inducing Vidros. Seriously, I really can’t recall seeing so many GIDPs in such a short span as this week.
All the BP pitchers today did great work, maybe with the exception of the nervous Kimbrel, but Moylan and Venters both getting out of huge critical jams was gigantic, and Saito was a flat out door slammer in that 8th. And watching Billy Wagner freeze Chase Utley in the 9th had me doing the imaginary chainsaw strikeout motion from my couch, yelling like Tom Hallion.
Great win today, hopefully there will be more of that tomorrow.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
No other team in baseball is better than finding those just-out-of-reach gaps than the Phillies. Consecutively.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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"i’m going to keep stats on you for as long as it humors me….target is unclear" - BMacAttack (Hohn's queef)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 9, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
THIS ONE'S FOR MY HOMIE EricGreggWasPaidOff
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The combination of FOX and the allure of alcohol wouldn’t let me watch until after the game was nearly over, but I watched the “Enter Sandman” outs at my local Buffalo Wild Wings and was the only consumer to applaud when the Braves won. Let’s go win a series on the road in 10 hours, mkay?
LET’S GO BRAVES!
i just stared at that thing for like 2 minutes.
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
by Scott Coleman on May 9, 2010 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions
That makes THREE Rainbow Llamasauruses to celebrate this Braves win! Yay!
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 9, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
At work early in the morning...
I hope this game helps Bobby realize that he needs to use Hinske as the LH in the LF platoon against RHP.
LHP:
Infante, O.
Prado, M.
Jones, C.
McCann, B.
Glaus, T.
Heyward, J.
Diaz, M.
McLouth, N.
RHP:
McLouth, N.
Prado, M.
Jones, J.
McCann, B.
Heyward, J.
Glaus, T.
Hinske, E.
Infante, O.
Both of those line-ups have amazing potential – and when Esco comes back, are deep 1-8.
Agreed
Eric is a very valuable player who can play a number of positions. He was brought in to pinch hit, but he can do a lot more.
Theres a reason he won ROY.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
I had my Mother's Day early with my Mom yesterday and had to DVR the game...
..and watched it late last night. It was so nice to see our guys come away with a WIN against the dang Phillies!!!
The BP sure backed up Medlen and it was nice to see. And better yet, we scored more than 2 runs!
Looking forward to today’s game and hopefully we’ll do to Philly what we couldn’t do to the Nats – and take the series.
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And.. pet peeve here…. his name is spelled MEDLEN for goodness sake!
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"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West
Are you sure?
It’s not Medlin? Or maybe its Medlan?
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 9, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I thought it was spelt “Boy Wonder”….
by Wren_and_Stimpy on May 9, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not that common of a name, people. Chill. I always call him Meds, anyways. But yes, I have accidentally spelled it with the ‘i’.
They’re coming to take me away, ha ha; they’re coming to take me away, ho ho.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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"i’m going to keep stats on you for as long as it humors me….target is unclear" - BMacAttack (Hohn's queef)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 9, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions

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