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Things Read in Other Moms' Basements - Around the NL East 05.08.10

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The first thing I want to say is that I'm glad that pacgnosis and mvhsbball are in charge of doing recaps these days, because I don't really envy their duties one bit right now. Last year, when it was a loose rotation of myself, gondeee and cbtits doing previews and recaps after the all-star break, the Braves lost more than three in a row only twice, and the second time was the tail end of the season, where I was busy getting trashed in Minnesota after the Braves were finally out of contention. The winning was fairly consistent, and it was easy to appease everyone. But now, the Braves are off to a very poor start and wins, let alone hits and runs on the road are becoming extremely hard to come by. Almost get no-hit one night, only to have Jamie Moyer make a little bit of history by becoming the oldest man in history to throw a CGSHO the next. With all the injuries, losses, and overall poor play, it's certinaly difficult being a Braves fan these days, and I'm running out of things to tell you guys. But pac and mv, they're doing a great job of coming into work each day and delivering the summaries, bad, and rarely, good.

I know the people mean well, and they have been nothing but polite and class acts here, and are no doubt still very much welcome, but the competitor in me sighs with disappointment when Mets, Cards, Nationals, and Phillies fans come over here and offer their polite condolences to us for how crappy the Braves are playing. As I said, visitors are always welcome as long as they're civil, but the fact of the matter is that the Braves are playing so poorly, that other teams' fans, even "bitter" divisional rivals' fans are feeling bad for us. I do not like this notion. I preferred when Mets fans were miserable that Chipper Jones still owned them, Phillies fans being baffled by Martin Prado's utter inability to be retired against them, and Nationals fans irritated when Tim Hudson delivers quality start after quality start against them. This is the passion that sports rivalries and competition bring out in fans. Not this pity. And the worst part is that the Braves have done very little to make us, and our opponents' fans believe that a turn around will ever come, at least on the road.  I'm not telling all other teams' fans to stop coming here, quite the contrary, but in my frustration, I just wish it weren't like this.

The only slice of silver lining that I can hope to comfort with is the simple fact that the Braves are 8-4 at home, while they are 4-12 on the road - 12 games at home compared to the 16 played away. So far, home is where the heart is, and as long as the Braves can maintain their moderate success going at home, they might be able to remain in position to strike at some point. Hopefully. Either you can have a little faith in that facet, or pull out the "I'm only being realistic" card that is so quickly unsheathed to cover up for how you've given up on the season but choose to attempt to envelope the rest of us with your wet blanket. You know that look your mom/wife/imaginaryGF gives you when you're seething with rage over Brian McCann airmailing a throw to second base into the outfield, and then they kind of either nods or shakes their head ignorantly to get you out of the way? The way your non-sports loving friends kind of glaze over when you try to explain how bothered you are by Derek Lowe's slider doing its job but Chase Utley still finds a way to get enough barrel on it to flare it into LF? Yeah, most of us feel your pain too. Which is why you're discouraged from using TC as a place to solely vent your frustrations; because a post posted out of anger and discontent is only going to be responded by those with the same negative feelings, and seldom does anything good come out of it.

All I can say is that if you're not enjoying Braves baseball, then don't watch it/listen to it/follow online. Disconnect, go do something else. It doesn't make you any less of a fan to miss a game or a week's worth of games, just like it doesn't mean you're suddenly betraying your favorite restaurant because you want to try something else sometime. I love being pleasantly surprised when I anxiously turn my phone back on after watching a movie, log onto a mobile browser, click ESPN: MLB scores, and see the number next to ATL being higher than the opponent's. Or when I go to a sit down restaurant and pretend to go to the bathroom so I can walk by the bar and hang around long enough to see on the SportsCenter bottom line that the Braves have defeated the Pirates. Step out of Mom's basement, I promise it will still be there when you get back.

Great googly-moogly, this was the longest intro I've ever written. Welcome to another week's edition of Things Read in Other Moms' Basements.


Marlins prospects tearing sh*t up this week - Miami Herald
Fish equivalent of super prospect, Mike Stanton has purportedly hits a 500 ft. home run. He's also hitting .341 with 14 HR, and an OPS of 1.437 at the time of this writing. And Andrew Miller, down in A+ ball in Jupiter was part of a combined no-hitter on Thursday, throwing six no-hit innings (with six dreaded walks kills), and two relievers completed the no hitter.

Star-divide

Fredi Gonzalez has closed door meeting with Fish after getting swept - Miami Herald
I really wish Bobby Cox would do one of these sooner rather than later.

Struggling Coghlan put into lineup anyway - MLB.com
Despite the fact that he was put on the bench for struggling, unfortunately for the Fish, Cameron Maybin has decided to start struggling too. Desperately seeking a spark, Fredi's got little choice but to go back to Coghlan to try and spark the offense.

Prospect Scott Cousins hits for the cycle in AAA - Fish Stripes
The 25-year old outfielder did in reverse fashion, by homering first, followed by the triple, double, and then the late-game single. I wonder how many more rare events are going to happen in AAA this year?

Anibal Sanchez isn't that bad - Miami Herald
Reading this article, I couldn't help but think how familiar all this sounds if "Anibal Sanchez" were replaced with "Kenshin Kawakami."

Obscure stat alert - MLB.com
In a loss to the Giants, Hanley Ramirez and Dan Uggla made obscure history - both of them homered in the same game for the 20th time, making it the most by any middle-infield pair, currently playing ball now.

Marlins sign Doug Mientkiewicz to minor league deal - Miami Herald
In order for the Fish to fulfill Jonathan Brandis' SeaQuest prediction of the Marlins 2010 World Series championship, the Marlins pick up the same guy who the Red Sox used to win their 2004 title.

When strikeouts are OK - Marlins Maniac
An interesting read discussing the difference in the value of a strikeout when it's coming from a power guy versus a contact-and-speed guy.

Clay Hensley placed on bereavement list - Miami Herald
Sad news for the Fish reliever, who was informed of the unfortunate news of his father's passing.

Andre Dawson gets a sneak peek at his HOF section in Cooperstown - Miami Herald
It must be really slow for the Herald if they're covering a guy that only played for the Fish for only the last two years of his 21-year career.

 

Stephen Strasburg goes to New York - Federal Baseball
Syracuse, New York, that is, after being promoted to the Nationals AAA-Syracuse Chiefs. His debut will be against none other than our own Gwinnett Braves.  And how did he do?  Dominant.  6.0IP, 1H, 6K, 1BB, 65 pitches.  He also dropped a bunt, and delivered a 2RBI single.

OPS guy doesn't really try to walk - Nats Insider

"No. I never try to draw a walk. I never, NEVER, go up there looking to draw a walk."

Also mentions that if Brian McCann is not catching, he will probably see a pitch he likes. Because they're BFFs.

The Franchise is now endorsing things - WaPo
Now I haphazardly mentioned recently that Ryan Zimmerman is the consummate professional, and doesn't really ever do anything that draws any attention to himself. Well, now that's changed pretty quickly, as the Franchise has started doing endorsements in the DC area. And not the generic canned endorsements for Eastern Motors, because Zim's a classy guy. So he plays the didgeridoo for a Mercedes dealership, and has starred in a line of caveman commercials for Geico.

John Lannan sits out with elbow pain - MLB.com
Quietly among the league leaders in quality starts from the last two years, it's bad news for the one consistent rock of the Nationals rotation, John Lannan, as he is temporarily shelved with pain in the one place a pitcher doesn't want pain - the elbow. Matt Chico will likely be his interim replacement. Also mentioned in the link is that GM Mike Rizzo was out in Nevada scouting, you know who.

The mythical "chemistry" big reason for Nationals success - WaPo
The one intangible that can't be measured by statistics, the Nationals clubhouse is demonstrating better chemistry and unity than in previous years.

Matt Capps named April's Delivery Man of the Month - MLB.com
But aside from chemistry, is the contributions of the most solid Nationals closer since Chad Cordero, in Matt Capps, whose 10/10 saves in the month of April has earned him the dubious honor of Delivery Man of the Month. I still stand by all my claims that he's not that great and is likely playing over his head, and that the Nationals would probably be well off trading him while his stock is high, sooner, rather than later.

The Nationals' season - luck or destiny? - Federal Baseball
An interesting look at the Nationals' strong start versus Pythagorian W-L, and the factors that have contributed to their current success. Is it luck, or is it destiny?

Nationals have a chance to steal the city - WaPo
Admittedly, I'm not a big fan of Thomas Boswell, never have been, but I have to admit that I like this article he wrote. With the recent choke of the Capitals, return to the abyss for the BulletsWizards, and months away for the Redskins, the early success of the Nationals is a great opportunity for them to win some localites over. DC's a town that only likes winners, and for a team that is struggling to draw fans to the park, it's something to try to capitalize on.

Ian Desmond latest young shortstop to draw comparisons to Cal Ripken, Jr. - WaPo
Why is it that every few years there's always a shortstop that comes up who makes a few slick plays, hits a few homers, and then suddenly he's the next Cal? Jeter, Tulo, come to mind immediately, but now Ian Desmond? As much as I think he's going to be a bonafide Brave-killer throughout the next decade, give him more than a month before making the complementary comparisons to Cal Jr.

Nationals attempting to hire Bryce Harper's JuCo coach as a "scout" - SI.com
Commence backpedaling - stories of Harper's attitude problems are attempted to be quashed, his mythical baseball-playing brother, and the curious method of putting Harper's coach on the payroll for "scouting" reasons.

Customized Bryce Harper Nationals shirt sighted at Natinals Park - WaPo
It's going to suck for this guy if the Nats pass over Harper. Those customized shirts ain't cheap.

 

HOF pitcher, Robin Roberts, passes at the age of 83 - Beerleaguer
I'm not going to pretend like I really knew who Robin Roberts was, but he's apparently considered one of the greatest RHPs in Phillies history. Phillies uniforms will have #36 on their right sleeves for the remainder of the season as a result.

Leave it to Philly to go overkill - Huffington Post
When a fan gets onto the field, it's supposed to be 20-40 seconds of hilarity and cunning wit. How many security guards can the perp elude, how many ankles can they make buckle with their Marshall Faulk-like moves? How long will it take for the security guards to inevitably tackle the perp, and just how many additional guards will take a cheap shot on someone on the ground? Well unless you're in Philadelphia, you'll get answers to very few of those moves because instead of trying to do it the old fashioned way and tackle someone, Philadelphia security just resorts to the Buzz Killington method of simply tazing the bro.

Prospect watch: Domonic Brown - The Good Phight
Brown is the likely reason Jayson Werth won't be back next season, and he's seemingly progressing right on schedule. He doesn't have the raw power that Mike Stanton has for the Fish, but he's becoming a legitimate five-tool threat. With Brown, Heyward, Strasburg, Stanton, and Ike, the NL East is going turning into one big showcase for young talent coming up.

Charlie Manuel will miss Saturday - Philly.com
Likely due to medical reasons, but the Philly skipper is going to sit Saturday out. Hopefully it's nothing severe, and he's back on the stoop the next day.

Ryan Madson out for up to eight weeks - Beerleaguer
I can't really think of a clever line for this one. It's his own dumb fault for getting injured in the first place, and I already made the joke about Jeff Bennett last week.

Jimmy Rollins headed to rehab in Clearwater - MLB.com
Out since April 13th, Rollins heads to Florida for some rehab, and then likely 3-4 minor league starts before returning to the big club. If we're 1-2 against the Phils without Rollins, imagine what it's going to be like with him back.

The Halladay Rules - Philly.com
To me, this editorial is kind of a stretch, comparing Roy Halladay to Michael Jordan. Maybe in the essence of how both Halladay now, and post-retirement #1 Jordan became more "refined" athletes to finesse their dominance, but what it sounds like to me in the end, is that both guys were really good at playing the umpires/offciating crew like fiddles.

2008 World Series victory voted top Philadelphia sports moment - Philly.com
Personally, I would've gone with Wilt Chamberlain's 100 point game, because that's something that will NEVER be done again.

 

Next week is big for Carlos Beltran - MetsBlog
In a nutshell, if Beltran's recover does not show significant improvement, the likelihood of needing more surgery increase. Now I'm not saying this is getting to me Mike Hampton-esque, but it's certainly no laughing matter.

No timetable for Daniel Murphy's return - New York Daily News
The sad thing is that despite his great attitude and saying all the right things, so many Mets fans have already forgotten about him since the emergence of Ike Davis.

Pedro Feliciano - an All-time Great Met? - NY Sports Dog
(hat tip: Amazin Avenue)
As far as I'm concerned, the answer is no - he's still a LOOGY.

The difference between Mets and Yankees fans - WSJ
I find it kind of ironic the results of this survey, because the Mets are the ones short for "Metropolitans," a name that is supposed to mean they're all sophisticated and drinking Courvoisier out of exaggerated goblets, but it turns out that more Mets fans are slobs and, well, more "truer" baseball fans than Yankees fans, who are apparently all metrosexuals.

"Mets fans own more guns,"

Mental note: don't eff with Mets fans in New York.

That's sure a hell of a lot of interest - New York Daily News
So when the Mets waived Bobby Bonilla back in 2000, they still owed him $5.9M. Apparently some arrangement was worked out to defer the money into annual installments of nearly $1.2M a year starting in 2011 until . . . wait for it . . . 2035. I'm guessing the Mets are hoping that Bonilla dies or something in that 24 year stretch and then they don't have to pay him anymore, because it doesn't take a math genius to know that $1.2M x 24 = way the eff more than $5.9M. $28,637,956.80 to be exact. Only the Mets... Only the Mets.

Kelvim Escobar shut down for shoulder surgery - MetsBlog
I remember a few years ago, Tanyon Sturtze pulled this exact same stunt for the Braves. It was funny seeing all this ST footage before the games at Turner Field, and you could always see "STURTZE" running around, stretching, taking PFP, and then he never played a single game for the Braves when the regular season started.

This is Jeopardy! - Metstradamus
No Mets blog makes me laugh more than this one does. And not in the "ha ha, they're the Mets and doing dumb things" kind of way, but in a legitimate, "this guy posts awesome stuff," kind of way.

 

Some bonus links of non-NL east news that were some interesting stories:

Ernie Harwell, 92, passes - ESPN
I'm not going to pretend like I know everything about Ernie Harwell. I knew of his name, and I certainly knew of his voice, but in the end, I really didn't know really anything about him. All I can really say about his passing that he was certainly one of the most iconic voices ever in the game, and that it is very much a sad day for baseball that he has left the building.

Eric Byrnes cut by Mariners, out of baseball, goes to play beer-league softball - Deadspin
Once considered the "veteran leader" of the young and upstart Diamondbacks a few years ago, only to become such a bad player that the Dbacks would cut him outright and get hung with his $11M a year salary and then get picked up by the Mariners, where he sucked so bad that despite being paid only the league minimum by the M's, he's cut and sent home. No problem, Byrnes decides to sit out for a little bit with his $11M cushion and go play beer-league softball. Maybe he'll be the best player on the field again.

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The Phillies...

might make this a division a laugher. They’re playing well without Rollins.

by mdhenshaw on May 8, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

I sort of disagree

As well as the Phillies have been playing the talent level in the East has seemed to have increased, so I wouldn’t be surprised if someone stuck relatively close… I’m wishing that this someone could be us. Series isn’t over… if we someone win these next 2 we’re only 4 games out and it would provide some hope that this team could have what it takes. Not to say if we lose both of them we are totally out of it but… wouldn’t be good.

by lingsched on May 8, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's hard to argue that

Especially the way they’ve manhandled the Braves this year, their “biggest concern” in the NL East. Their bullpen is still a little suspect, but when you have Roy Halladay pitching nine every five days and the offense hanging 6+ runs almost every game, it’s hardly a genuine concern for them.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on May 8, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That bullpen can get a lot better...

with a 2008 Brad Lidge instead of the 09 version. It all depends on him, and then Madson returning to health. If they have that down the stretch, and Hamels back, they’re pitching is more than enough to keep them in the World Series. Depending on Lidge, their rotation after Halladay may be a bigger concern than the pen. Moving Lee instead of Blanton was a bad idea. But I guess they had to at least give others a chance.

by Mr. Sanchez on May 8, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, nerd alert on the Seaquest memory

we have a winner.

Chemistry is bs. We had great “chemistry” when we gave Chipper the silent treatment and McLouth an empty dugout. How’d that do? And I thought Desmond was the next Jeter, not Cal, or at least that’s what Chip and Joe kept saying all series.

I don’t think too badly of Madson. How many of us have hit or kicked something in anger, especially something like a chair.

by Mr. Sanchez on May 8, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Ha

I posted the link to Seaquest a few months ago, which is why it’s still relatively fresh on my mind.

I haven’t striked anything in anger since I was 17. It was after someone called me androgynous.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on May 8, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m guessing we lost again last night? I turned the channel after Werth’s shot.

I fed a fish to a pelican and Frisco bay and he tried to eat my cell phone he ran away

by TradeAndruw on May 8, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: The Mets' financial decisions....

$5.9mil → $28.6mil

Bravo…

"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."

by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 8, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

My two cents

I’ve been reading this blog on a daily basis for a few years now, and this is my first comment— I just had to say something. Let’s face it: the Braves are having a bad year. It sucks. It’s not fun. But it’s the way it is.

What upsets me, though, is not the Braves year— it’s the natural ebb and flow of a franchise. What bothers me is how this blog has seemed to make the commenters (i.e., the fans) the bad guys in all of this. The authors of this blog have made a big deal about how the commenters are too negative, or how we should focus on the positive, or why we’re getting upset at the wrong things, or whatever. What the hell? Can we really not be upset at the team, or specific players’ performance, or the coaches, etc.? Why focus all this energy on telling us how to be a fan, and what to care about, and what to be upset at? We’re grown ups. We love baseball, and, specifically, we love the Atlanta Braves. Let us say what we need to say. Realize that when the Braves are playing bad baseball, people are going to be negative. (In my opinion, righfully so.) Focusing on censorship, or telling us how/when/why to feel a certain way, accomplishes nothing.

Sorry if this rant bothers anyone— it’s Saturday, and I’m working, so that’s no fun. But I just hate pulling up one of my favorite blogs and feel like I’m being lectured at for not being the type of fan this blog wants me to be.

Thanks for listening…

by first time caller on May 8, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

The thing with negativity is that is just spreads so fast. I am a detroit lions fan, so I know a thing or two about enduring losing. I don’t mind informed, intelligent comments as to what the problem is for this team when we thought it would be a great year. The problem is that when negativity is wide-spread, it just sucks the fun out of a blog like this. It becomes tiring trying to enjoy games when everyone is just talking doom and gloom constantly. The fans aren’t bad guys, but let’s face it, it’s only May. These guys need to learn to hit and bobby needs to start changing the way things are going in that locker room right now, but it’s not the end of the world just yet.

by telemakhos on May 8, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Perhaps the reason I am bothered is because I use this blog differently than the hard-core commenters. While I often peruse the comments, I focus more on the articles (or whatever you want to call them) that are written. If there are debates in the comments section as to the appropriateness of individuals’ negativity, I could care less. I just hate reading what used to be substantive articles about Braves baseball that are slowly becoming lectures on the appropriate ways to be a Braves fan.

by first time caller on May 8, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I'm guilty

Of being the “preachiest” of the guys here, but that’s because I love this place. The members here have helped me evolve the way I enjoy baseball as a whole, as well as giving me some creepy internet friends that I don’t mind shooting the shit with about other things non-baseball related too. And it bothers me when people show up out of the blue, only after injuries or losses, to rub our collective faces in the dirt that we know is already there. Obviously, based on the way people jump on other people, it bothers a whole lot of other people as well. I can’t control their actions, but at least let me defend my stance.

This “issue” of the dissension between those who want to defend the turf from drive-by negativity-bombers versus those who wish to have their full first amendment rights is obviously the biggest issue this season, more so than the fact that the Braves are having a poor year thus far. But it is relative, because as the Braves fortunes change, does the necessity (or lack of) to encourage people to cool off. I’ve never once said that you are not welcome here if your only objective is to spout off how much you hate this team when they’re losing. I’ve made numerous attempts to encourage members to be mindful and think about what they’re posting before they hit the post button. Because it’s pretty obvious the reaction you’re going to get if you show up after a loss and tell everyone that the team they love sucks and you hate them and wish for everyone to die so they can be replaced by competent players.

It’s not that I’m lecturing people how to be better Braves fans, I’m trying to get across the point of how to minimize the pointless arguments and conflicts that arise here multiple times on a daily basis, multiplied by the number of Braves losses on the season, because let’s face it, most of us have witnessed plenty of times, people holding grudges, dragging out old arguments, and creating an uncomfortable atmosphere for others around. Quite obviously it always falls on deaf ears because the Braves end up losing the next day anyway, and creating Groundhog Day except its worse than the day prior.

I’m sorry if you don’t like the occasional lecture articles that pop up (from me) from time to time, but this is still a community on top of a great Braves news/information resource. And all communities need to be reminded of the rules and guidelines from time to time, especially when things are starting to get out of hand. And like most communities, this one has grown into a pretty well-knit group of regular commenters, hardcore commenters, contributors and interesting people in general, and yes, I admit it is probably a little intimidating to newcomers, but anyone who sticks around, through both the good and the bad, is quickly enveloped into the dysfunctional family without question, if they let themselves.

I commend you on your well-written constructive criticism, and hope you stick around. We’re all hoping the Braves can make a 2005 Houston Astros-like turnaround, so we can see some winning baseball, but mostly to shut me up about social functions.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on May 8, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the reply. I really think that the reason I am bothered is because of the way I participate with this blog. I guess my reply will go beyond the realm of Braves baseball and more into sociology— but it’s worth noting that I feel like a part of this blog even though I never comment. It’s just the way I am, I guess. I don’t know the numbers, but I’d guess there are lot of people like me. For every one NC Chopper, I imagine there are 10 (or perhaps a lot more) people who come to this blog, read every entry, look through the comments, but say nothing. (I’m too busy at my job, perhaps.) So the problem is that I feel like I’m being lectured about my fandom even though you know nothing about it. (And why would you— I never comment.) So, basically, I understand that you get riled up about the negative comments to your posts. But also realize that when you turn your anger (or whatever) into featured postings, you’re speaking to a very specific segment of your blog readers. Perhaps it might be better to keep your ideas as to how to react to the Braves troubles to the comments section.

Overall, though, keep up the good work. Thanks.

by first time caller on May 8, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a fresh perspective

And while I agree that I am speaking to a very specific segment of readers, as I stated previously, this is still a community-driven site, and if community problems escalate to a point, it has to be addressed where most of the community will see it, the front page.

I respect your suggestion, but believe you me, I’m not really too keen on having to do it, but this season’s been the worst I’ve seen yet, for whatever reason – the nine-game losing streak, all the networking with Yahoo/Fanhouse/Facebook that SBNation has integrated that has made it easier for pissed people to come vent their frustrations, or a combination of everything. I’ve made numerous attempts to encourage people to cool off in comments in the past, but not everyone reads the comments, sometimes being a comment just doesn’t get anyone’s attention, or people are so immersed in their own arguments and watching other people argue like train wrecks, and pay no attention to anything else.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on May 8, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad you stepped out to say hello finally. It’s a good testament to the folks who create this place that you’ve felt like you’re a part of the community all along, even without commenting.

(makes a mental note to see just how many comments I have now since I’ve never checked that).

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on May 9, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for writing such a well-reasoned comment!

It’s not the negativity that bothers me per se. It’s the comments that assert that because a player is struggling that he’s worthless/lazy, or that because the Braves have a losing record they have no hope to make the playoffs. In other words, it’s not negativity but reactionary, poorly thought out negativity that is the biggest problem.

When the team is losing, you are going to have a bit of negativity. We all realize and accept that. What I enjoin people to do is to A) think about what you are saying before you post it, and B) try to say some positive things, too. Because even when things are going bad, there are still silver linings and lights at the end of the tunnel. The folks who only focus on the negative would be better off if they took a step back and tempered their criticism with praise for those who merit it. In the same way, TC is better when there is a balance between the negative and the positive.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on May 8, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fredi

Perhaps was just given the writing on the wall? Until proven otherwise I’m going to assume this is the case, if only because I hope like hell he manages in the ATL next year…

by J-Freak on May 8, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

No offense to TP and McDowell

But I’d be ecstatic if Fredi brought his coaching staff (except maybe BP coach, because I love Eddie Perez) to ATL next year. I’m always amazed at how loose and easy he keeps the Marlins throughout his entire tenure thus far.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on May 8, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

Give me Freddi and Eddie and to hell with the rest.

Well…McDowell isn’t a bad pitching coach, but he’s just a little too laid back for me. I prefer a more of an active pitching coach with mound visits and such and Roger stays parked on the bench quite a bit. I wouldn’t be too upset
if he stayed though.

"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."

by Scott Coleman on May 8, 2010 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Freddie with Eddie as his bench coach would be sweet.

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by cbwilk on May 8, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never understood how he could possibly be on the hot seat.

I’ve generally thought he’s done a fantastic job. He’s been given almost nothing to work with, yet he always gets that team into competitive situations. If Loria has issues with the team underperforming, he really ought to at least be willing to spend up to their revenue sharing level. Hanlet, Johnson, and Nolasco are nice pieces, but that is nowhere near a playoff team as currently constructed.

Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...

by Stephen Schmidt on May 8, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

*Hanley*

Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...

by Stephen Schmidt on May 8, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have this joking theory

That some teams just have propensities that come with wearing the jersey. No matter what scrubs you put on the Marlins, they’ll turn into that perpetual 3rd place team that always plays hard no matter what. Nate McLouth has me thinking that being a Pirates outfielder means you’re good on the Pirates, but nowhere else. Baltimore closers always do well in Baltimore, and then go elsewhere, and aren’t nearly as effective (BJ Ryan, George Sherrill, Chris Ray). I think Loria might think similarly, and it didn’t matter if it was Girardi or Fredi, the Marlins will be fine whomever takes over next.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on May 8, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they'll be fine

And then Loria will fire that guy, too, and probably right after he wins manager of the year.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on May 8, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the subject of luck vs. destiny,

Destiny is just the name they give to luck that lasts longer than 1-2 months.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on May 8, 2010 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

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