Heyward Homers (yet again), but Braves fall 6-3
by Scott Coleman on May 5, 2010 1:52 AM EDT
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If I would have told you 5 minutes before tonight's game that Chipper Jones, Brian McCann, Nate McLouth and Jason Heyward would have seven hits combined including a HR and a two 2Bs, would you have believed me when I said the Braves would only score 3 runs?
I doubt it.
That's exactly what happened on Tuesday night as the Braves fell to the Nationals 6-3.
The night started off well for our boys in blue via a leadoff double from McLouth and then Martin Prado reached on an error from Nationals RF Roger Bernidia. After a Chipper Jones strikeout and Brian McCann walk, Troy Glaus juuust missed a bases clearing double that was caught by Nyjer Morgan which brought in McLouth from 3rd. Jason Heyward walked to keep the inning alive, but Melky Cabrera weakly grounded out to end the inning. Braves lead 1-0.
The 1-0 lead didn't last long for the Braves, as Kenshin Kawakami surrendered a solo-HR to Josh Willingham in the 2nd inning. The Nats scored again in the 2nd when Ian Desmond drove in Ivan Rodriguez on a single up the middle. KK really struggled with his command in the 2nd.
The Nats lead was short lived as Jason Heyward ripped a line-drive to center field for his 8th HR of the season. It was an absolute rocket to the gap and the ball cleared the entire field within 2 or 3 seconds. This Heyward kid might be good one day.
With the game tied at 2 in the 5th, Ian Desmond hit his 2nd HR of the season to left and Adam Dunn absolutely destroyed a baseball to the upper-deck in right field to make it a 4-2 game in the 6th. The Natinals would add a run in the 7th and 8th inning courtesy of RBI singles from Cristian Guzman and Roger Bernidia. The Nationals lead 6-2 going into the 9th.
The Braves battled back in the 9th, but ultimately fell short. Chipper Jones reached base with a walk and moved up to 2nd base on a wild pitch. Brian McCann had a fantastic AB and drove in Chipper with a RBI single up the middle. Troy Glaus came up to the plate with 1 out with BMac on 1st and Heyward on deck, but Glaus hit into a 5-4-3 double play to end it.
Nationals win 6-3.
The Good, Bad and Ugly after the jump.
The Good:
1. Jason Heyward - 2-for-2 w/ 2BBs, HR(8); I know he's only 20-years old andI know it would be already has a ton of pressure on him as it is. I know this. But with the way the kid is hitting, he might just force the Braves to move him up in the lineup. And if teams start pitching around him to face Melky, the Braves might have to move him up. He's unquestionably our best hitter at this point.
2. Brian McCann - 2-for-4 w/ a BB
3. Chipper Jones - 2-for-4 w/ a BB
4. Kenshin Kawakami - 5IP 7H 3ER 1K/0BB 2HRs; I kinda wish there was an "average" section in the post, because that's exactly what KK was tonight. No walks and 3 runs in 5 innings isn't bad, but it's not good either. The 2 solo-HRs weren't good and it still feels like Kenshin has little episodes during games where he starts to throw BP to the hitters. Tonight's start was an improvement over previous ones and hopefully he'll continue to pitch better in May and beyond.
The Bad:
1. Martin Prado - 0-for-5; I think it's safe to say Nitram has come back to earth. He's still hitting the ball well, but it's seems like it's always right at someone.
2. Omar Infante - 0-for-4; the Braves NEED Omar to hit well while Esco is on the DL.
The Ugly:
1. Melky Cabrera - 0-for-4, 7 LOB - 7 runners left on base? Are you freakin' kidding me Melky? If he gets one hit, the Braves probably win tonight. Andas long as he hits behind Jason Heyward, teams are going to pitch around our 20-year old phenom to face Melky. I'd love to see Matt Diaz tomorrow night, bad April be damned.
2. The Bullpen - 3IP 3ER 4H 2BB/2K; Eric O'Flaherty, Jonny Venters and Jesse Chavez were all horrible tonight. Along with Melky, they cost the Braves the win tonight.
3. Home Plate Umpiring - Yeah, I'm not even get into this. What a joke.
MVP - Jason Heyward
LVP - Melky Cabrera
What's Next:
The Braves and Nationals will face off on Wednesday night for game 2 of the 3 game series. The Braves send ace Tommy Hanson to the mound and the Nats counter with former Brave Luis Atilano. First pitch is at 7:05EST.
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That was definitely Desmond’s 2nd homer of the season, not his fifth. My fantasy team would be much better off right now if it had been his fifth.
fixed
thanks for heads up. Just didn’t read the box score right.
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
by Scott Coleman on May 5, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I needed it tonight. Wondeful Comcast decides to do maintance work at 8pm at night when I’m trying to write my recap and work on one of my finals. And all I get is this creepy recorded telephone message saying “Hello, you will probably not have internet or phone access tonight. We are doing maintenance that will last a few hours starting at 8pm. Sorry for any inconvenience this brings you. Goodbye.”
I don’t blame them for making it an automated recording and now a live person. I wasn’t too happy and they’re gonna get a nice phone call tomorrow morning
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
by Scott Coleman on May 5, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Comcast blows. Epically. We used to have Time Warner in Memphis, and ours was one of the territories that changed hands in that giant TW/Comcast/Adelphia merger-buyout-realignment deal a few years ago. We never had any complaints about TW, but after Comcast took over everything went to shit. Unexplained internet outages no less than once a month, phone outages at about the same rate, failing equipment, everything. My folks just had a DVR box installed in their living room, and a month later that’s already stopped working. I don’t know what their business plan is, but they’re going to get their boardroom stormed by an angry mob eventually if they don’t start fixing some of this nonsense.
But of course, their greatest sin was rearranging all the channel numbers and confusing the hell out of me, and in the process cutting the 10 or so HD channels I used to get out of the wall and trying to convince me to pay extra for a box to get them back. At least Jesse James used a fucking gun…
Sucks in SC too. My g-rents had it.
Their latest business plan is to change their name to Xfinity to duck the complaints and trick people into buying more into their evilness .
Boston too
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
~Earl Wilson
by BeantownVol on May 5, 2010 8:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At least in Atlanta
Comcast > AT&T/BellSouth, Verizon or anyone else
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Uverse has been pretty dank, actually… better than comcast
"I should have been like, 'Thank you, new guy. Don’t try the veal!'" - Chief Noc-A-Homa (Hohn's offspring)
Well
I was a bellsouth customer that had to endure the transition into AT&T, and sure Uverse and all their new crap might be good, but it’s still no reason to treat your existing customers like dogshit while the move takes place. Crap customer service = no more customer
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Uverse isn’t offered in my area yet. I hate comcast too…it’s always the channels I watch that seem to go out. Never the f*cking lifetime channel though.
To top it all off, the cost for what I’m getting is just too high. I’ve already complained but they won’t give me any incentives or current offers. It just sucks cause there is no direct competition. Unless I want to seriously downgrade to basically a dial up. Ugh.
threaten to cancel
that is how you get them to offer lower deals. Threaten to cancel completely…
by Andy Braves Fan on May 5, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
That requires competition...
but if there is a local competitor, threatening to switch to them usually results in getting the best deals they offer.
not necessarily
You dont’ have to say you are switching, but simply that they have lost your business. Blame the economy, whatever. Trust me, I have done it before.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 5, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Have to admit
that DP ball by Glaus was crushed in the ninth. I thought it was through for sure off the bat.
He hit some others well too, he didn’t have lady luck on his side at all last night.
"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West
You mean all season…
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
All in all...
I’m not pulling my hair out. Yeah, it’s frustrating and I absolutely hate to lose to Livan Hernandez but this just seems like a garden variety in-season loss, rather than a return to the full on frustration of nearly everyone being ice cold or having Wile E. Coyote luck during the losing streak. Glaus, in particular, has a swell building behind a Karma dam that is going to be something to see when it finally breaks loose.
Not to nitpick
But the whole “This kid might be good someday.” “Who is this Heyward kid? Send him down.” “Some young rookie that probably won’t last long.” etc. etc. got played out at least 2 months ago.
60% of the time, it works every time
I still get a chuckle out of it.
"Braves fans in the hizzy" -Boog
"Is that like the crib?" - Joe
by GwinnettBraves on May 5, 2010 9:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Just recently got played out for me. But I agree.
Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!
by Brave Neander on May 5, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe for hipsters like us
…but every time he has a couple of strikeouts in a game, some bunch of hoseheads, on line or on ESPN, start that up for real. It won’t stop any time soon.
Umpiring
Was the worst I’ve seen this year and that’s really saying something. One pitch that was particulary horrible was a 3-2 to Desmond in the eighth. It was literally ankle high and was called a third strike. Just atrocious umpiring tonight.
When the guys in the booth are talking automated umps, you know it’s pretty terrible.
Blue Jerseys
I actually like the threads, but what ever happened to the Braves road unis?
I am a traditionalist – wish they’d go back to all grays on the road.
by CharlotteChop on May 5, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the blue unis too, but I’m surprised they haven’t gone grey to try and mix up this road travesty.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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"i’m going to keep stats on you for as long as it humors me….target is unclear" - BMacAttack (Hohn's queef)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 5, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Blaming the Umps
Umpires suck – get over it. Umpires do not cost teams games. Going 0-4 with 7 LOB costs teams games.
This
The Braves have loaded the bases in the first inning with less than two outs three times this year. Yesterday was the first time the Braves were able to bring home a run in that scenario, with Glaus’ sac fly. Otherwise, this kind of ineptitude is quite unacceptable.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
This team just isnt' that good.
I say we end up 3rd in the east.
Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.
BLASPHEMEY!
How can you honestly say that?
Glaus hit 3 rockets that all ended up being outs. If just one of those falls, it is a completely different ballgame.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s been doing that for at least a week, too. You gotta figure that somehow, eventually, some of those well-hit balls are actually going to fall in and we’ll hop on a serious hot streak. The universe seriously owes us by now…
For realz.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
He should hit them a little harder so we know it will fall……….out of the park
by Braves24 on May 5, 2010 2:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Even though Infante went 0 for, I would have had him batting 7th and Melky batting 8th. Melky’s back to watching good pitches and swinging at crap.
We need to take some notes from the freaking Nats.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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"i’m going to keep stats on you for as long as it humors me….target is unclear" - BMacAttack (Hohn's queef)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 5, 2010 8:16 AM EDT reply actions
So, after one game, Melky sucks again?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
to be fair, Melky was never great, and I don’t think he ever will be.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 5, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
To continue with the fairness, nobody ever said he was great or that he would be.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
but I mean, he was a 4th OFer at best who got stuck in the leadoff spot to start the year. He has a career .330 OBP (or something like that) and has had many years below that mark. It’s not just after one game that Melky sucks again.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 5, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
He never sucked to begin with. He is an average player. He got off to a slow start and then had a stretch recently where he was getting hits. Now, one 0-for game later, people are saying he sucks again. Many people around here are just so knee-jerk and fickle. It is really annoying.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
That's fair
I just always felt that he sucked. This is no knee jerk reaction, I felt that way when he was on the Yankees as well. Ok, sucks may be over the top, but I certainly felt he was below average and over-rated. I haven’t been back and forth on that at all.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 5, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, Andy. My thoughts, exactly.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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"i’m going to keep stats on you for as long as it humors me….target is unclear" - BMacAttack (Hohn's queef)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 5, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
My problem with Melky is that he seems to get run out in the field every damn night, and he’s just not a MLB starting caliber outfielder. If he was being used as a 4th outfielder getting 1 start a week and coming in as a defensive replacement late in games, I wouldn’t really hate him. But as our starting LF, he sucks beyond words.
So, I guess my total hatred of him really boils down to how Bobby is using him. I really wish he would go on the DL or something though. If Diaz isn’t going to get the chance to play, I’d much rather see one of the guys currently in Gwinnett get the playing time instead an overrated ex-Yankee
Shouldn't Wes Timmons get a shot at 3B over that Chipper guy everybody talks about?
Well said. That’s basically been my stance since the trade was announced- he’s really nothing special, but we’ll be alright if he’s the 4th man used to rest the other guys, getting 2-3 starts a week max. But that’s not how he’s been played, so I’m rather frustrated.
The other problem is we’re handcuffed with his salary. He’s the 9th highest paid player on the Braves roster, and the fourth highest paid position player. With those salary numbers on this budget crunched team, we almost have to start him, but boy would I have preferred that money gone to someone else.
Shouldn't Wes Timmons get a shot at 3B over that Chipper guy everybody talks about?
This is true
Melky really is a 4th OFer. He has been over-exposed as a starter. And furthermore, he doesn’t have the power needed to play LF. Of course, Diaz may not be ideal either. The Braves really could use a real LF instead of an odd platoon.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 5, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I can agree with this.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep. What I’ve said all along. He’s a 4th outfielder, and we’re parading him around like he’s going to make a real difference.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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"i’m going to keep stats on you for as long as it humors me….target is unclear" - BMacAttack (Hohn's queef)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 5, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
At any rate
If he sucks enough that he’s getting Heyward pitched around, one of two things has to happen- either move J-Hey up in the order to protect him better, or put someone different behind him. If he stops getting anything to hit we are seriously screwed.
This team can get on base. They just have a tough time getting the runners home. So many men left on base yet again. WTF is up with this team not being able to get runners home? Just bad luck or are the guys just pressing?
It's both
It’s been said ad nauseum in here already, but guys like Prado and Glaus were getting robbed last night on well hit balls, so that’s bad luck. But I’m sure some of the guys are pressing, too, given our recent struggles and wanting to be able to post up a win for guys like KK instead of saddling them with more losses.
I know it’s still EARLY (a favorite word around here, of late) but this club is looking more like a “What if” than I originally thought.
I know KK isn’t to blame here (far from it), but it seems like people go long on him fairly regularly. And his pitches really haven’t had a whole lot of movement, lately. I would rather see Medlin in the rotation. If Zambrano can go to the pen, so can KK.
We have to stop the bleeding, now.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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"i’m going to keep stats on you for as long as it humors me….target is unclear" - BMacAttack (Hohn's queef)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 5, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Medlen for KK flip? Medlen has been money, but can he take it to the rotation?
by CharlotteChop on May 5, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
After a month, we’re in 5th place. What’s the worst that could happen?
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
"i’m going to keep stats on you for as long as it humors me….target is unclear" - BMacAttack (Hohn's queef)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 5, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
After a month, we’re 4 games out of first. Let’s keep some perspective here.
by kidnarcolepsy on May 5, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh geez. Not this again.
What did KK do wrong last night???
He had one rough inning in which he gave up 1 run.
Other than that, he looked pretty good. Yeah, he gave up the HRs, but that happens sometimes. KK pitched well last night, and certainly good enough to win.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I Love That Idea!
Watchin' Bobby Cox Turn Falcon Red Since 1991...
(A True ATLien)
by Dirtybyrdatl4life on May 5, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Who is Medlin?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
lmao. A thousand pardons.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
"i’m going to keep stats on you for as long as it humors me….target is unclear" - BMacAttack (Hohn's queef)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 5, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I guarantee you that they know how to win ballgames – score more than the other team.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, I didn't get to see this game...
From the sound of it, I would’ve just been pissed off at Melky’s ABs, if I had watched it. Maybe it was for the best.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 5, 2010 8:50 AM EDT reply actions
Just one of those games.
Still can win the series. We knew that Kawakami was our weakest SP going this series, so I still have confidence that we can grab 2 of 3.
i agree
we have our two best SPs on the mound to finish out the series. I would think that a split is a worst case scenario, especially with the arms they have starting in games 2 & 3.
It's a 3 game series....
How can there be a split? And worst case scenario is getting swept, not that I think it will happen.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 5, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I have learned to refrain from using the words “should win” and Kenshin Kawakami in the same sentence. I don’t buy this sympathy bit bloggers and writers are giving this guy for a second. He’s just not that good IMO and definitely not an $8 M a season pitcher. I love how Mark Bowman talks about another tough luck loss for KK on braves.com but let’s not mention the solo shots (always has problems with the long ball) he gave up and runners on base all night like bugs surrounding shit…Put this guy in the BP – if not for the teams sake but for the simple fact fans don’t have to listen to excuses about a pitcher that really isn’t that great! I’m going rally behind Kris Medlen from here on in.
by Nova Scotia Steve on May 5, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe once he’s 0-8, Bobby will finally make the necessary change.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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"i’m going to keep stats on you for as long as it humors me….target is unclear" - BMacAttack (Hohn's queef)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 5, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
And by that, I mean, Medlin has much better stuff than KK. This isn’t me in “panic mode” or anything like that. From what I’ve seen, Meds has better stuff, and can go 7 innings.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
"i’m going to keep stats on you for as long as it humors me….target is unclear" - BMacAttack (Hohn's queef)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 5, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Has Medlen ever pitched 7 innings??? KK has.
Have you actually seen KKs stuff??? It is filthy.
Seriously. We get it. You don’t like KK. Stop making shit up about him though.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
So a guy with a 3.8K/9 ratio in 2010 is filthy??? By that logic, Jamie Moyer is super filthy then.
by dunnytwogloves on May 5, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
KK has filthy stuff. Yes. Have you ever seen his curve?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
11 K’s through 5 starts tells me that it’s not filthy enough. Yes, his curve is good, but so what? The batter can just wait for his weak fastball.
Also, KK has gone at least 7 innings twice in his MLB career. let’s no act like he’s some workhorse.
by dunnytwogloves on May 5, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
KK has gone at least 7 innings in 4 starts in his career, and most of the rest were 6+.
I am not saying he is a work-horse, but you can’t pretend he isn’t a good pitcher.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
My mistake. I was using Fangraphs game log and for some odd reason they put in a line of headings again, and I didn’t look any further than that.
by dunnytwogloves on May 5, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
30 starts seems to be enough to gauge a guy (or not). He’s 7-17, with a 4.09 ERA, 1.36 WIP and .266 Opp BA. You can call him the giant killer, dragon slayer, or whatever all you want but he’s not shown consistency with his "nastiness’ enough to be considered such. It seems for every dragon he’s slayed he’s been thrown in the moat three times. Of course, as always, this is just..like, you know…my opinion man.
by CharlotteChop on May 5, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
W-L is jack shit. ERA is pretty useless too, but I’d say a 4.09 ERA for a 5th starter is pretty damned good, and a 1.36 WHIP is good too – especially for a 6th starter.
If you all think Medlen could put up better numbers (except strikeouts) you are crazy. Medlen is a good pitcher, but so is KK. Either one would be a fantastic #5.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
One thing that I'm curious about Medlen would be how he fares against the order a 2nd and 3rd time around.
He’s fared fine as a reliever, but I’d be interested to see if, as he tires, he can still get those hitters in the 5th and 6th innings.
by soup du jour on May 5, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
6th starter?
Typos kill… :-p
I agree with what you were saying, though. I keep preaching that KK is about the best 5th starter in baseball. No one wants to listen, though. Is he being paid too much to be a 5th starter? Maybe, but that’s another argument…
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 5, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, 30 starts is no where near enough to gauge a guy – that is less than 1 full season.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s my whole point..he’s an average pitcher. He’s not great, he’s not terrible. And he’s defintitely not nasty yet. Serviceable #4 or #5, and that’s where expectations should lie.
by CharlotteChop on May 5, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
He is better than average, and I didn’t say that he was nasty, but rather that some of his pitches are.
Serviceable #3, good #4 and fantastic #5. That is what our expectations should be.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Any team with KK as a #3 is not a playoff team. In fact the Braves should trade him to a team that needs a 3rd starter for a 3rd OF and put Meds in the rotation.
by CharlotteChop on May 5, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
The Phillies have Blanton as their 3rd starter. THey are a playoff team, and Blanton isn’t that impressive.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 5, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Their offense is stacked though.
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by Scott Coleman on May 5, 2010 12:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That doesn’t have anything to do with their pitchers.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you even realize who some of the playoff team’s #3s are?
I’ll list some of the contenders and their #3 starters for you:
Cardinals – Kyle Lohse – 5.28 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, 0-1
Brewers – Doug Davis – 8.87 ERA, 2.15 WHIP, 0-3
Rockies – Greg Smith – 6.35 ERA, 1.8 WHIP
Angels – Joe Saunders – 7.04 ERA, 1.79 WHIP, 1-5
Phillies – Jamie Moyer – 5.70 ERA, 1.33 WHIP, 3-2
So yes, any team with someone like KK as their #3 is a playoff team. STFU now, please.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Never thought of KK as a #3
If the Braves suddenly had to drop down to a 3-man rotation, I thought it would be pretty obvious, it would have gone Huddy-Hanson-Jair, with maybe Lowe in there to take a turn every 7th day, but never once would I have put KK up at #3.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
That is because we have much better pitching than most teams. There are plenty of teams out there who could/would use KK as their #3.
The point is – KK is a fantastic #5 pitcher, and the fact that we are all bitching and moaning that our 5th pitcher gave up 3 runs is a pretty good situation to find ourselves in.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
And? It wasn’t like he threw 100 pitches in 5 innings and had walk issues, etc. Bobby pulled him for a PH in the 6th.
Most teams are pleased when their #5 gives up only 3 runs in 5 innings.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Again, a servicable eveing on the mound. Not nasty or dominant or neccesarily deserving of a win. This Braves team has scored 7 runs in a game 4 times?
by CharlotteChop on May 5, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
So now, we are supposed to base our pitcher’s performances on the inability of our offense to score runs?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, if KK went the distance he would have given up 5.4 runs last night – so the Braves would have needed 6 (sorry I said 7). You are just fun to mess with.
by CharlotteChop on May 5, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
He retired 9 of his last 11 batters, so you can’t project that out like that. Nice try though.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s like talking to a brick wall.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Except the stats back me up?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
But when stats support others opinions
There’s a million reasons why they shouldn’t be tallied — not enough performance to evaluate, one bad outing, etc.
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by Vance in Sacramento on May 5, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
you can, but you will look foolish…
by Andy Braves Fan on May 5, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
you can, but you will continue to look foolish…
FTFY
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
guys, come on, I am just messing around, having some Braves banter. Don’t be insufferable pricks. It’s hard enough for justincredubil
by CharlotteChop on May 5, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Then stop saying stuff about KK that just isn’t true. If you are joking around, you aren’t doing a good job of it, because it isn’t really funny.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. You would have thought we were talking about KJ again the way you are sticking up for this serviceable, interchangebale #5 pitcher.
by CharlotteChop on May 5, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I tend to defend good ballplayers when people make up stuff that isn’t true about them. Sue me.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I would hate to see your actions....
when KK goes to the bull-pen…
by Nova Scotia Steve on May 5, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Then start defending a good player instead of a servicebale, interchangeable one.
by CharlotteChop on May 5, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
justin can you at least admit that
KK has not done well this year? That would end this bullshit argument.
Yeah. I have said that a few times in this thread already.
But last night, he did well.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
now can you admit that he did not do well last night?
the solo shots hurt and his 2nd inning was garbage. He didn’t lose the game for us but he certainly did not win it.
It’s sort of unfair to him because the rest of the pitcher in out rotation (even lowe) have the ability to go out and give us 6 or 7 shutout, and we expect the same from KK.
KK could have gone 6 last night, had Bobby not pulled him for a bat in the 6th.
And no, I will not admit that KK did not do well, because he did. He made 2 mistakes that got crushed and worked out of a jam in the 2nd.
He retired 9 of the last 11 batters he faced and didn’t walk anyone, so how can you say he did not pitch well???
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
If you expect that out of KK, you have unreasonable expectations.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d argue that KK goes out and gives 6 or 7 shutout innings about as often as D. Lowe….
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 5, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Just go back to last year when it happened. I was fine with it, because we were replacing him with Tim Hudson, who is a better pitcher.
We cannot say that Medlen is a better pitcher right now – and I am one of the guys who thought Medlen should get a rotation spot last year.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
So then is it too early to say Hanson is a good pitcher? Or do we need to wait until some further point in time?
And the dude is 34 going on 35. It’s not like he has all of this time to prove himself.
by dunnytwogloves on May 5, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Would you have said the same thing about Kerry Wood and Mark Prior?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Would you have said the same thing about Tim Lincecum, Tim Hudson, Pedro Martinez?
by dunnytwogloves on May 5, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
After 30 games? Yeah, probably.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Lincecum
had a 4.00 ERA in his first season, 24 starts. Just FYI.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 5, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
And I would have said that 30 games is not enough to gauge what kind of pitcher he is…just FYI.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe because they were all young. KK is now 34. At some point, he is what he is.
So how many starts does someone need for you to judge them?
by dunnytwogloves on May 5, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, he was fantastic last year, and not great this year. You tell me – should we wait before we pass judgement?
KK was dynamic during his career in Japan, so if you want to use his age as a factor to gauge how good he is, he was damned good. He hasn’t been as good in the USA as in Japan, so we need some time to see what he really is.
Either way you look at it, KK is not a bad pitcher and is great for a 5th spot.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
stop it
you have said he was “fantastic” last year too many times. I agree with you that he was better than his numbers, and I think his luck will turn in his favor this year, too. But to refer to his performance last year as fantastic is just a bit excessive.
In context – he was fantastic for a #5.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
2009 KK #'s
6.04 K/9
3.28 BB/9
0.86 HR/9
3.86 ERA
1.34 WHIP
Translates to a pretty good #3 starter
Heyward is pretty good
But he has a high ERA in 5 games this year!!!
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I just wish you would admit he’s not all that and a bag of chips. And maybe we have better options than him as a #5
by dunnytwogloves on May 5, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish you would admit that he is not a terrible pitcher and that he is a really good option for our #5 spot.
We do not have better options than him at #5 – maybe Medlen, but Meds was not impressive as a starter last year and is perfect for the BP role that he has right now.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Also...
if you look at the splits for 2009 for KK. He “earned” his 12 losses. It’s not like he was outpitched in those games.
So when it’s KK’s turn to pitch in the rotation, do you think to yourself, “Yes, the Braves are getting a win tonight!”?
by dunnytwogloves on May 5, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow. Did you really just say he deserved 12 losses?
And yes, when KK pitches, I feel confident that the other team is not going to score a lot of runs.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
in 5 of his losses, he gave up 3 earned runs or less. How exactly did he “earn” those???
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
this
really? I mean, the guy almost always gives a QS. That was a pretty absurd statement…
by Andy Braves Fan on May 5, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
As are most of these statements about him sucking.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
13 QS’s in 25 starts isn’t all that great of a % for somebody who would be a #3 on most teams….
by dunnytwogloves on May 5, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I would say that is about average.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Is there
statistical support for this statement? Or is it pure conjecture?
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by Vance in Sacramento on May 5, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure it’s out there somewhere. I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but maybe fangraphs has something.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I ask because
If that’s accurate, it does alter my perception of KK and his value
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by Vance in Sacramento on May 5, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Andy Braves Fan posted some data earlier in the conversation that you could compare to other pitchers to see just where KK stands.
I was having another conversation with a fellow TC-friend of mine who brought up a good point – KK is inconsistent. He is amazing for a few games and ugly in some. Not really a quality of a #3 starter, regardless of his overall stats.
Maybe more to follow on that one…
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not like he’s going 8 innings! He’s allowing 3 earned runs or less in 5-6 innings. In fact, he had 6 starts last year where he allowed 3 or fewer earned runs. On only one of those starts did he go longer than 6 innings (and it was 6 2/3). In three of the starts he only went 5 innings.
by dunnytwogloves on May 5, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Because Bobby is known for letting his starters go 8 innings…
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, when you are only pitching 5 2/3 innings per start…the earned runs tend to stick out a little more.
by dunnytwogloves on May 5, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
You mean, when a #5 pitcher averages 5 2/3 innings with an ERA under 4 and a Whip of 1.3 it somehow isn’t a good thing?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
As I recall
6 IP and 3 or less runs is the definition of a quality start.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 5, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Facts have no place in this discussion.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
3 in 6, not 3 in 5. Do you want to make it 3 ER in 5 IP to support your argument? We can, it’s an arbitrary qualification anyway.
by CharlotteChop on May 5, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps you would like to use some stats to suggest that KK is not a good pitcher? You haven’t produced anything like that yet. Meanwhile, back at the bat cave, ABF and I have shown time after time how KK is not only “serviceable” but far above average as a #5.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but 4 ER in 9 IP isn’t a QS. Tell me what’s up with that?
by dunnytwogloves on May 5, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Never said he was terrible – but I am also not going to give you #3 either. I don’t think many people on here will give you #3. He is a serviceable, “good” 5th starter. But usually 5th starters can be interchangable, and if he continues to progress at the current rate, all I ever said was that Meds should be given a shot. Talk about small sample, dude is 20 something years old with one MLB service year under his belt.
by CharlotteChop on May 5, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps you should look at his numbers?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
You blew me up for using 30 starts as a usable sample for KK. If I can for him, can’t for Medlin. 4 starts brother. Lower BAA, same WHIP, better ERA. As I said, they are interchangeable at this point. Nothing more, nothing less.
by CharlotteChop on May 5, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is my point.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I find this ironic
That your judging Medlen based on 4 starts in 2009…
by Nova Scotia Steve on May 5, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not judging him based on those starts at all.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Then what are you jugding Meds on???
The kid’s opportunity is coming…like it or not…it’s coming…
“but Meds was not impressive as a starter last year and is perfect for the BP role that he has right now.” – your quote
by Nova Scotia Steve on May 5, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
You should probably look at his minor league track record, the fact that he STILL projects as a BP arm, and the fact that I love Kris Medlen before jumping to conclusions.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Just like KK's number of Japan are holding true
by Nova Scotia Steve on May 5, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
His Ks are down and BBs up, but that is about it. He is facing tougher hitters, using a different ball, etc.
His numbers in Japan will not translate – they never do.
However, he was still the best #5 in baseball last year, and is better than many playoff contender’s current #3 pitchers.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
And this is the guy who says “facts have no place in this discussion”…
by dunnytwogloves on May 5, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Go on…
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Very.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Lincecum
through 30 starts it dropped down to 3.55. The first 6 games of his 2nd season his ERA was 1.74.
by dunnytwogloves on May 5, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Ohhh I've seen it
It looks like a looping beach ball thrown about the same speed as a pedestrian crossing the street.
by Nova Scotia Steve on May 5, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Ignorant.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The Royals should totally bench Greinke too, since he is 0-3.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
1. KK is a good pitcher, and he is our #5 who would be a #3 on most other teams.
2. His counting stats are as good as the league-average #3.
3. It was a tough-luck loss for KK – he gave up 3 runs. That should be good enough to win on almost any night.
4. KK has had the lowest run support of any pitcher in baseball for the past year. If he is on any other team, he has at least 10 wins last year and is probably about 3-1 this year.
5. KK does not struggle with the long ball. Stop making crap up that you don’t know anything about. In 37 games, he has given up 18 HRs. That is 18 HRs in 182.2 Innings Pitched – or roughly, 1 HR every 10 innings. That is pretty damned good. Shut up with the “KK gives up too many HRs” bullshit.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
3. It was a tough-luck loss for KK – he gave up 3 runs. That should be good enough to win on almost any night.
With the exception of Lowe, our pitchers (both starters and BP) have had to pitch all year with no room for error.
We score out typical 2-3 runs per game and they just simply aren’t allowed room to make a mistake of any kind.
I’d hate to face that reality every time I took the mound.
"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West
This is true, but it doesn’t take away from the fact that KK pitched well-enough to win.
I am still confident that our offense will turn it on at some point. I just hope that our pitchers aren’t all wound up and trying to be perfect before that happens.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope you’re right about the offense. I too think there is no way we can continue this pathetic hitting with RISP all year.
And, thanks for not busting my chops for the typo. LOL
… We score out our typical…
"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West
I don’t do that, do I?
At least, not to people I like.
I like you!
:)
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember most people base their judgments after one night
We get it, in the grand perspective of things, KK is an average pitcher, suffering from way-below-average run support. But as it pertains to last night, and just last night, KK didn’t have a very good outing. Run support be damned, he did not pitch that well; I watched the game, and to justify what I saw, I looked at some pitch fx numbers:
His primary pitches were the 2-seam, change, and curve. His curveball, which Willingham and Desmond both teed off on, were hanging most of the night. If you hang pitches, they will eventually get nailed. His changeup which he threw around 21-25 times was almost as flat as a board, and he simply just wasn’t throwing strikes with his fastball. Overall, he did what he’s been doing in the United States, which has been too much nibbling, but his curveball is what got him in trouble, and it appears to be what the Nationals batters are waiting on.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Fair points. It is a bit ironic that his curve is what was getting nailed – because I think that is his best pitch and one of the best curves in the game. It has so much bite! But, if you leave them hanging, no matter how much bite it has, it will get teed off on.
You have to admit though, that there were two or three times that KK started to walk off the mound after a pitch, because he thought it was strike 3 – as did I. He got squeezed a bit. Then again, he got the benefit of the doubt once or twice too.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Looking at the pitch fx, it was saying his curveball had a negative break (too much hang) on the night as a whole, so as much as we know it can bite when it’s on, it just wasn’t biting enough at all last night. Although, I will admit the strike ’em out, throw ’em out on Ryan Zimmerman was a straight filthy curve
I saw the pitch where KK was already beginning his walk, and yes, it’s debatable, but that’s the problem – it was debatable. Not sure if it’s KK’s reputation as a nibbler, straight squeezing, or just umps being the idiots everyone makes them out to be, but unfortunately, the HP ump’s word is the law of the night.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
His curve is not that nasty
A lot of that break is due to lack of speed. The pitch is about 68 mph. I’m not saying it is that bad but you are giving KK’s curveball way too much credit.
Apparenlty, so were all of those Japanese hitters.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point
I usually look to how people like Tsuyoshi Shinjo perform in the Japan League to get my point across too, so I see where you’re coming from.
No curveballs are nasty on their own
Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright both have ridiculous curveballs. But if that’s all they threw, then it’s useless. KK’s problem is simply the fact that he shows it too much and doesn’t establish his other pitches to make his curveball that nasty pitch that hitters forget about until it buckles their legs.
I hate to constantly refer back to the mythical game against Toronto last year, but KK threw his curveball 15 times out of 106 pitches; three times they swung and missed, and the other eight were called strikes, with at least two of them I quite vividly remember being inning-ending called strike threes. He was utilizing his cutter and 2-seamer the rest of the way, and getting Toronto hitters to forget about the curve, and then when he did drop in the curve, it became nasty.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
It is true
KK has to have the fastball and cutter working to make the curve more effective. Clearly these haven’t been working well for him this season so far. I don’t expect that to continue.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 5, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
true
He has done fine, I haven’t complained about him. At the same time I wouldn’t be upset if Medlen got moved into the 5 spot. We will probably see similar results from the two, but if KK runs into a couple more tough outings, a change might work out better for both of them.
Financially though, why?...
Medlen is solid, as is KK, so it’s not like you get any boost in the bullpen or the rotation from the move.
Good point.
I was just looking at fangraphs, and it seems that he isn’t throwing a cutter this year when he did last year. Any inside scoop on that?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
he did have a start moved
due to shoulder soreness. Maybe he is hurt, or discomfort has altered his mechanics?
by Andy Braves Fan on May 5, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Which makes you wonder how Trevor Hoffman was so successful with just a changeup and a mediocre FB.
Unreal.
by soup du jour on May 5, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Location and mechanics
Any pitcher who can make their delivery look completely indiscernible between FB and CH can succeed. And as Hoffman’s velocity has decreased, his location has stayed fairly consistent. But even now though, the velocity is getting to a point where any good hitters should be able to adjust on the fly.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
God help the team that would like KK as their #3
If a team wanted KK and he wasn’t over paid for his talent level…Would he still be in ATL? I have serious doubts about that.
I have SERIOUS doubts he would be a #3 on ANY major league team…so justincredubil – Don’t give me that bullshit cause that’s exactly what that is.
But go ahead keep defending a guy who’s ERA is five and half….
by Nova Scotia Steve on May 5, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol @ the ERA comment.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
…and the rest of that statement too…
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Kawakami, now 0-5 with a 5.47 ERA,
by Nova Scotia Steve on May 5, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec’d.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Funny, I thought pitchers were wanting to allow
as few runs as possible. Apparently ERA is worthless though. Advanced stats rule all!
Worthless alone, yes. In context, it is useful.
Saying a pitcher sucks simply because he has a high ERA is not smart.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh?...
Cause you know who’s really been great, Aaron Harang and Jake Peavy. Don’t let those high ERAs fool you, anyone would love to have them. Honestly, I’d love to hear how a pitcher with an era of 5+ is doing well.
Nobody ever said that a pitcher with a high ERA is doing well. But a pitcher can have a high ERA and be a good pitcher – Jake Peavy being a great example.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
So you are not distinguishing between...
someone who is generally a good pitcher, like say Jake Peavy, and someone who at the current time is not effective and is pitching poorly, like say Jake Peavy.
ERA has a lot more value than say, W-L record. But you and Smoltz Beard can keep trying to act like others are foolish for posting conventional stats instead of FIP, xERA and all the rest of that algebraic nonsense. ERA is not worthless alone. At small differences, there can be some discrepency, but you’re gonna have a pretty hard time arguing that someone with an ERA over 5 is pitching better than someone with an ERA under 3 when both have a similar and significant number of innings.
Livan Hernandez has virtually the same FIP as Kawakami right now. In other words, they are both pitching to about the same level of skill, but one is getting results, the other is not. That is why you cannot put faith in ERA alone.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Call it luck or whatever you want...
Livan is keeping runs off the board when he’s on the hill, and that’s what it’s all about. You may feel differently, but in the real world, results matter. And the results show Livan is allowing fewer runs than KK. No one is saying that will remain the case going forward, but so far this season, Livan has done a better job on the bump than KK.
Livan didn’t keep anything off the board yesterday – his defense did.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep making excuses...
there’s excuses for why you got the job done, and excuses for why you didn’t get the job done. In the end, no one gives a shit about your excuses, all they care about is did you get the job done? Livan did, end of story.
Am I making any excuses?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
KK didn’t make excuses. He said it was his fault. But as observers of the game, we can say that the defense really helped a pitcher out, or really failed a pitcher.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 5, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
This
"I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire. That being said, it is "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln
by Vance in Sacramento on May 5, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
And how did our D fail KK last night?
and did Livan’s D really contribute that much to our inability to drive runners in? They made some good plays, but not any I’d say shouldn’t have been made. Even Morgan’s catch on the sac fly, while not as clean as it could have been, is one that gets made a lot easier by a CF taking a good route to the ball.
Well
in this case, the D didn’t fail KK, the offense did. All I am saying is that KK did a decent job, kept the Braves in the game. Seeing as how he didn’t have his best stuff last night, I’m ok with that. It is just too bad that his margin for error was effectively 0.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 5, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That might impact W-L, but not ERA...
and I think how some haphazardly dismiss ERA as worthless is wrong. The D last night had nothing to do with the difference in KK or LH last night.
I would tend to agree
ERA isn’t useless, but when there is a significant difference between ERA advanced stats like FIP, or if the pitcher is unusually BABIP unlucky, then I think that should be taken into consideration.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 5, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
And what is D. Lowe’s ERA? For that matter, what is JJ’s ERA?
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 5, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
One of his problems is his strand rate is sitting at 60.3%
Which is part luck but part the fact that he’s only got a 3.76 K/9% in the young season. I’m not exactly sure why his Ks have dropped, but once his strand rate gets a bit better he’ll get a little more for his efforts.
I’m a bit concerned about the drop in strikeout rate, and as Hobbs stated in another post, his hitability (hanging pitches with a WHIP about 1.6), so hopefully he can get that K rate back up to where it was last year.
by soup du jour on May 5, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Early season rust? Readjusting to a starter role? Worried about giving up just one run (due to our offense)?
Idk why the Ks have dropped either, but I am pretty confident that he will turn it on.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, it is a good thing that we aren’t paying him $8M…
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I did a post on this last season
when folks on this blog were complaining taht KK was overpayed. His performance is almost EXACTLY average for his pay-grade. The only performance outlier among pitchers in his paygrade was Joel Pineiro.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 5, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember that. It was a good one.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
It drives me nuts when people say ridiculous things about guys like KK as well.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 5, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. Read up above where someone said he struggles with the long ball. What???
Do people really believe these things, or do they just say them to get a rise out of people like you and me?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it is a little of both
I think with KK, the frustration is that he does nibble. That can be frustrating. That said, his performance has been very admirable. Last year I felt was especially impressive. It can’t have been easy to adjust to a very foreign culture as well as a significantly higher level of competition at the same time. KK did this admirably, and in the end he was fine. I expect that the league has adjusted a little, and his mechanics may be a little off at the beginning of the season (being undersized and such probably makes small changes in his mechanics more significant than a guy like Hanson who can power through). He will get back to that level, though some folks still seem determined to under-value him.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 5, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate to say it
Regardless of the defense and justification that a few of us can put up for KK, I get the feeling that he’s going to be running out of time soon. Most of us here are well enough to more or less disregard the W-L, and ERA to an extent, but that’s us, and not the rest of the masses and people that make the decisions. He has never won two straight starts, and his propensity to unsuccessfully nibble are frustrating many. Simply far too inconsistent as a whole, thusfar. Unfortunate too, because he was throwing so well, loose and relaxed in ST; sure some of the later innings were against minor leaguers, but they’re still professional ballplayers too.
Sometimes, it appears that KK isn’t necessarily trying to adjust to MLB as much as he’s trying to make umpires adjust to him, which isn’t going to work. Being the frail egoists they are, KK walking too off prematurely is only going to piss off an ump which could theoretically wipe a fair strike off his tab at a future time.
All I’m really saying is that if there’s a string of successful pitcher promotions in the minors any time soon, or any reason to DL or cut someone, or rather convenient to move KK to the bullpen for someone else, I wouldn’t be surprised to see KK out of the rotation at this current rate.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
It is sad that this is true.
I am not saying that KK is probably the odd man out here, but rather, that he doesn’t deserve to be.
And why are we even having this big of a discussion about it? Pitching has not been, is not, nor will be this team’s problem.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, this debate is going is going to be the case every KK losing decision until KK is ultimately removed from the rotation. Bruce Chen went 0-8 for the O’s back in 2005 before they mercifully removed him.
I’m curious, with Saito in the bullpen, I’m curious if the Braves would need KK in the bullpen, and if they would be willing to swallow their pride and send an $8M guy down to AAA to stay stretched out and loose, as well as work on things in lower pressure?
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
“I’m going rally behind Kris Medlen from here on in.”
At least until he struggles a little bit.
When you've said Jason Heyward, you've said it all.........
Sick burn.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Umping, hard hit balls, nice plays
Why don’t we just all tip our caps while we’re at it…
by Nova Scotia Steve on May 5, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions
From the mouth of the Dragon
"It’s not the run support, it’s the way I’m pitching," Kawakami said. "I’m not getting into a rhythm. It’s pathetic. … In all my experience, I’ve never been through something like this."
He gets one or two more start…maybe…ready some comments on AJC…it seems there could be a move coming…But Jurrjens needs to be healthy first for anything to happen.
by Nova Scotia Steve on May 5, 2010 9:49 AM EDT reply actions
"comments on AJC"
I think I’ll pass, I can read “first” on this site now. KK has not been great, but he has been a lot better than his 0-5 start. In business, volume covers a lot of mistakes. In baseball, it’s runs. KK had a rough start in ’09, but he came around and was a statistically very good pitcher, I expect the same this year.
Heyward is pretty good
The Mets.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
RISP hitting - we must improve this stat.
I too think perhaps J-Hey will be pitched around until we have someone behind him the opposing pitchers consider an actual threat. I’m not saying put him in cleanup, but he needs to be protected more to get pitches to hit.
It was good to see Chipper and BMac connect with the ball last night and if Troy’s luck had been any better at all, he would have had a great night and we would have likely won.
Hopefully tonight, Tommy will get the first of the 2 we need to win this series.
"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West
I Still Say We Need To Trade For Adrian Gonzalez...
Watchin' Bobby Cox Turn Falcon Red Since 1991...
(A True ATLien)
by Dirtybyrdatl4life on May 5, 2010 10:05 AM EDT reply actions
While we are at it, we need to bring in Ryan Braun and Carl Crawford too.
Maybe JoJo for A-gon, Parr and Sammons for Braun and Melky for Crawford?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Done, Done and DONE!
If only the GMs for those teams were brain damaged enough to make those trades….
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on May 5, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Short term thinking.
We have legit 1B prospect at AAA, and I promise you we won’t get A-Gon without giving him up. Then in 2 years, A-Gon signs a contract with Boston or NY that we can’t compete with, and we’re stuck with another 2 or 3 seasons of Scott Thorman or somebody at 1B.
Making moves as a small/mid market team, you have to treat it like chess and think several moves ahead. Only the NY, Boston and LA teams can treat it like Bingo and just see what falls out of the hopper.
Shouldn't Wes Timmons get a shot at 3B over that Chipper guy everybody talks about?
I like that analogy.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
We're fine.
Face it, the Nats shifted correctly all night and put themselves right in the path of our hits. On those few occasions that we hit somewhere else, they made fantastic defensive plays (Morgan robbing Glaus, RF robbing Prado, etc). We can grip all we want about 0-7 RISP etc, and I’m usually first on that bandwagon, but last night it just wasn’t happening.
Sometimes the ball just doesn’t drop, and sometimes the other team defends better than you hit.
This was a frustrating but not a bad loss — the Nats simply defended their field better and exploited the few mistakes KK made.
i'll be there tonight
i get to see a tommy hanson start and hopefully a braves’ offense that is collecting some runs to go with all those hits
by hollerin' brave on May 5, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions
As an outside fan, I expected Heyward to be good.
I really didn’t expect him to be this good this fast though.
Reyes, Thole, Wright, Beltran, Bay, Davis, Martinez, Tejada...
by Stephen Schmidt on May 5, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions
I don't speak for all of us...
But I tried to temper my expectations some, given how we’d been burned by Frenchy, J-Hey is only 20, and making a concerted effort not to let the hype get to my head too badly. I said he could go 25/90 on the year, but he could easily go 30-35/110 on the year now, and I have never been happier to be wrong about how a guy was going to perform.
So, I do speak for all of us when I say- BOW TO THE AWESOMENESS THAT IS J-HEY.
Neither did I!
But, I am not complaining at all!
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I think several on here ate their Wheaties this morning...
And.. if anyone is interested – SportSouth is replaying last night’s game right now.
And.. if anyone is interested – SportSouth is replaying last night’s game right now. At least here where I live they are.
"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West
I <3 your sig.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Why would anybody want to watch that game again? lol.
Even if I WASN’T at work, I wouldn’t re-watch it. Heyward’s homer, sure, but that’s it.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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"i’m going to keep stats on you for as long as it humors me….target is unclear" - BMacAttack (Hohn's queef)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 5, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
The strike-em-out-throw-em-out DP was nice too – and probably something we won’t see again for a long time.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Dear Pujols
I can’t believe how much time I blew discussing over Kenshin Kawakami.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
wow, no kidding, what an unproductive way to spend time.
by CharlotteChop on May 5, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Better than projecting the value of an office building ten years from now
which is what I am currently doing
Are you an appraiser? If so, man I did not envy you in the last few years. I can only imagine how people would react when finding out their property values decreased.
by dunnytwogloves on May 5, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I was mighty pissed when I realized my home’s value decreased 14%
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Ouch.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m hoping I bought my home at the valley.
I work for a bank, and in our commercial area, if we have to sell a commercial property on our own, we are generally getting 50% of the liquidation value of an appraisal (which would probably be about 40% of the appraised value). It’s rough.
by dunnytwogloves on May 5, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish my home’s value only decreased 14%…
People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
We need Jurrjens to bounce back
If this happens, the KK situation will be a footnote.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 5, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
And personally, I think the run support has been weighing down on KK and JJ.
But I’m not as worried about JJ.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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"i’m going to keep stats on you for as long as it humors me….target is unclear" - BMacAttack (Hohn's queef)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 5, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
While this is entertaining to say the least...
I’m leaving for a while and you all can enjoy this riveting discussion further.
In spite of the loss last night – today, I’m a happy camper because I just tried a new mascara that rocks, it’s a gorgeous day here and I’m headed out to the grocery to get some nice steaks for cooking on the grill tonight.
Catch you all later on the GT… enjoy yourselves.
"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West
I beleive you mean “voy a la cocina a buscar los bistecas para cocinar esta noche” or something like that.
Feliz Cinco de Mayo!
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 5, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
250 comments in a loss thread?
Way to go TC.
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
by Scott Coleman on May 5, 2010 12:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think there is one person who can get credit for the huge comment #...
Mr. Bieber himself, or at least his namesake.
Haha
Seems like Justins are always controversial. Justin Bieber, Justin Timberlake, Justincredibul, etc etc.
:)
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