Roster Jockeying
by edesade1 on May 12, 2010 6:03 PM EDT
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I'm wondering if anyone has any insights into the possibility of simply letting the following players walk over the next 45 days because I'll be damned if I want to see any of them take the field:
I'm fairly sure the speculation on players like McPopout and Melky is rampant on every Braves board. However, it needs to be vetted. Clearly Hinske is a better option in left. I think Matty is dialing in and is a known better second half hitter. These others beginning to really drain the line-up.
When Jordan comes back (which it sounds like he could some time this summer) we'll have to move someone to make room: who?
When Melky is still sub-Mendoza in mid-June do we look at Gregor Blanco (who we know isn't "the answer")?
If Hank Blalock comes free, do we make a move for him as further Chipper insurance?
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by Smoltz's Beard on May 14, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
hinske
youve only seen against righties… obviously you keep mclouth in for defensive purposes in CF because ur not gonna want melky there. unless ur playing infante in CF, keep him there. and a platoon between diaz and hinske is clearly the best choice. we saw some life from hte caveman today.
We’ve seen far more life from Melky this season than from Diaz. Also, Melky is a much better defensive CF than Infante.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 12, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
but what infante brings with his bat imo is ahead of what melky brings
Fail…on so many levels.
How does OGT work for fanposts?
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 12, 2010 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
what is OGT?
Nice avatar change btw.
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by 10-4 on May 13, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d.
OGT strikes again!
:)
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 13, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I am am all for the following lineup
Heyward RF
Mclouth CF
Hisnke/Diaz LF
Granted I wish we get more out of CF, but McLouth is superior to melky defensively. And sadly still has more offensive production so far this year with more speed.
Mclouth .172/.304/.280
Melky .200/.288/.238
I think they both (Melky and McLouth) leave much to be desired defensively in the OF.
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by Mighty Healthy on May 12, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Blalock
He’s a boras client so i don’t see much of a chance of getting his services. I could see the mariners pulling the trigger for him, they’ve been worse than the braves on offense :).
So.. IF we wanted Blalock (and I’m not saying that we do)… Wouldn’t we just trade for him if we’re afraid of Boras? He’s not a FA unless he opts out of his deal AND Tampa Bay can’t then trade him within fourty-eight hours. Right now he’s a tradeable commodity.
Okay… if that’s what you’re worried about, why bring up Boras at all? I don’t think you’ll find too many folks that disagree with you in the sense that we shouldn’t go out and get Blalock. If we were to do so though, it would be for spare parts. Blalock doesn’t carry nearly enough value for us to give away anything of significance for him. I don’t see a spot for him on this team, though. He’d be a fourth-string 1B/3B and cost someone more valuable a roster spot.
I don’t understand your concern here. First you say Boras is a red flag, when really he’s an extraneous consideration. Then you throw out a one-liner about bad history with rental players, which I can only assume refers to the Tex can-o-worms, because we haven’t rented anyone else in recent years. Blalock is not that kind of player though; trading for him would be much more like the Frenchy-Church swap where we give away a piece we don’t really have a use for anyway.
The post suggested Blalock as a replacement for chipper. I read that as he would be our future third baseman meaning some kind of deal would have to be made as chipper is going to play out the rest of this year. With Boras as his agent, he will more than likely test free agency after this year anyway. Trading for him is pointless as we already have a Blalock-esque player in hinske this year. And who is the someone we don’t really have a use for that the rays would be remotely interested in?
I don’t think we need further insurance for chipper with infante and conrad playing. Plus i’ve always liked Blalock for some reason. I thought he was going to be an All-star third basmen.
That’s understandable, as we don’t need Chipper insurance, particularly not in the form of a wash-up like Blalock. If we’re going to go get a long-term 3B solution, we need to seriously consider Alex Gordon. But I don’t personally believe even that is necessary yet., unless he comes cheap and in that case the depth he would create is not a bad thing.
I suppose I was thrown off by your initial comment about Boras meaning we didn’t have a much of a shot at landing Blalock in the first place, because there’s certainly not going to be a sweepstakes for him. He has very litlte value right now, as a trade piece or a FA.
Jermaine Dye
I know the guy is awful defensively, but he could give us some pop in the outfield if he was up for playing for the league minimum. I love Matty and think Melky has potential, but Dye could offer more in terms of power than either ever could.
Jermaine Dye
1) Has no pop left
2) Is horrific defensively
3) Wants WAAAAAYYYYYYYY too much money
When you've said Jason Heyward, you've said it all.........
Here’s the thing about Hank Blalock: he sucks now. He was good, but now he’s not very good. There are plenty of guys who could help more than him, including either of the third basemen playing AAA or AA for the Braves.
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He’s also missed 13 of his team’s games with nagging injuries, mostly related to his bad back. Doesn’t really make sense to pick up insurance for Chipper if the guy is going to have his own injury issues.
And really, I’d be more with his recent Major League numbers (good but not exactly great, especially for a corner outfielder) and the fact that he’s way too immobile to play 3B at even an average level, than 105 AAA at bats.
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I wasn't advocating for Blalock...
although an AL club likely adds him whether it’s Tampa dumping Burrell, or another where he can DH.
Personally, I like our team as is. Let the young guys continue to come up and fill in gaps, going outside the organization only for long term players such as an under 30 LF who could leadoff, or 2B since I think Prado could play LF decent enough. I don’t see much need to add anything else, as whatever holes we might have can be filled from the inside. Bullpen hole opens up? Kimbrel, Gearrin, Dunn, etc can fill it. Starting spot? Medlen for now, Minor for next year. OF? Schafer, perhaps even Matt Young as a 4th OF. 1B? Freeman. Other than 3B, which if Chipper and Infante are around isn’t a huge concern until say 2012 when perhaps Hicks, Linares, Salcedo, or another would be ready (any idea what happened to Jake Hansen? Is he still in extended spring?). I don’t really want us going outside for Burrell or much of anything right now unless it something that can be added to the young core of Heyward, Hanson, etc.
by Mr. Sanchez on May 13, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
should say Blalock instead of Burrell at the end there...
but then if he’s released for the Rays to call up Blalock, I’d assume we’d have our share of folks saying we need to pick him up for LF. I wouldn’t be too keen on that idea either.
by Mr. Sanchez on May 13, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Hanson is still in XST. And from what I saw in ST it looks like he’ll be an outfielder from now on.
And Prado’s bat really only plays well at 2B. As a second baseman he’s above average, but as a corner outfielder his production just doesn’t cut it. He needs to stay at 2B.
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I;ve never bought into that thinking...
Prado is a good hitter, combined with the rest of our lineup, I like him in it. I don’t think he’d be too bad as a LF, especially with the production we can get from C, RF, 3B, SS, etc. Of course, that depends on just what we can find for leadoff, be it a 2B or LF if Prado doesn’t claim the job this year. And also what kids like Schafer and Freeman are able to produce. I don’t think having Prado’s bat in LF is a problem, if we are getting the desired level of production from McCann, Heyward, Chipper, Esco, Schafer, and Freeman, as well as whatever 2B we brought in to leadoff. Unless you are the Yankees, the can’t all be big time bats.
And thanks for that on Hanson, I’d figured as much considering there was no talk of him being injured. But after two years in the GCL, it seems like pretty slow progress if he starts his third year in Danville. And with the errors he had (40 in two years) and a fielding % that dipped below .800 last year, it was pretty easy to guess he wasn’t gonna stick at 3rd.
by Mr. Sanchez on May 13, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Hanson is still only 20, so it’s not the worst thing ever that he’d be at Danville. Granted, being 21 at Rome and playing LF instead of 3B doesn’t exactly do him wonders as a prospect, but it certainly doesn’t kill his career.
All that about having guys producing is great, but they have to produce. Right now Chipper, McCann, and Escobar aren’t doing squat. I can almost guarantee Mac turns it around, and if Yunel ever gets healthy for more than a month he’s going to be a solid SS, but that’s a big if. It is a huge question whether or not Chipper is ever going to be a high level player again though. Heyward is amazing, but he’s still only 20. I hate to say it, but he wouldn’t be the first superstar rookie to fall off the face of the earth. I don’t think it will happen, but don’t discount the possibility. And I love Schafer and Freeman, but they’re both totally unproven as Major Leaguers and shouldn’t be counted on yet. Right now, the only sure thing in the Major Leauge lineup, aside from Heyward in RF, is Prado at 2B. There’s only a handful of 2B in baseball that are really worth having on a team, and none of them are leadoff hitters, nor are the Braves likely to spend the cash to get them. Why mess with something that works perfectly? Sure, he’d be Ok in LF, but his production wouldn’t be anywhere near as impressive and then you’d just have 2 guys in the lineup producing like second baseman (and likely more given the way things have gone the last few years).
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Here’s the thing about that…If you are putting an inferior product in LF and settle with that because of production you are getting out of C, you are completely giving up the advantage that you get by having a strong hitting catcher
we need a solid leadoff hitter, and a center fielder. i think we need to go after someone like nyger morgan or andrew mccutchen, but there are also many other speedy outfielders that would be worth going after. we all know that the pirates are always huge sellers so i think we could get mccutchen if we either give them back mclouth or give em melky (or both) and maybe add some prospects and kenshin
by bravesrgonnawinitall on May 12, 2010 10:17 PM EDT reply actions
i think we need to go after someone like… andrew mccutchen,
LOL. Not a chance in hell Pittsburgh is sending him anywhere. He’s one of the few bright spots for them right now, and one of the reasons they sent McLouth to us. He’s young, good and cost-controlled. And let’s not forget the hefty public backlash in PBurgh when they shipped McLouth out of town- they won’t be repeating that kind of move anytime soon, particularly not dealing another centerfielder to the same team just a year later.
That, plus he is part of their “plan”. If that organization shipped him out during his arb years, well I’d hate to see what would happen. McCutchen is about as untouchable to the Pirates as Heyward is for us.
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i dont mean look for them, those were just the first youg, speedy outfielders i thought of and with the stupid moves the pirates have made in the past and the nationals lack of pitching i thought that they might be thoughts for a future outfielder/leadoff hitter
by bravesrgonnawinitall on May 14, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I still think we need a 1B.
So… What about Billy Butler? He would be a cheaper alternative to Gonzalez, and he plays for the Royals, who love our prospects. Just throwing out an idea.
The only time the Mets win is in the offseason.
If we’re going to block Freeman, it needs to be for an elite power threat like A-Gon. Butler is a solid player, don’t get me wrong, but Freeman may very well be as good or better. With Glaus finally moving beyond his putrid start to the year there’s no reason to overpay for a marginal upgrade for this year that’s going to block our first baseman of the future, who by all accounts may indeed be ready from the word go next Spring. He started slow too but is starting to mash.
this
now that Glaus is hitting, the thought of us trading for a 1B a little silly. and it’s not like Glaus just had a hot couple of games; he’s been killing the ball all season long.
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by Scott Coleman on May 12, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Gordon
He’s playing in left field now in AAA and absolutely crushing them. You know Dayton would take any player he previously scouted in the Braves minors. That would give us a potential future left fielder/3b option.
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We need to give them all more time...
in my opinion.
Nate has not been hitting very well, but I think his approach at the plate is still good. He isn’t flailing away and looking terrible, he’s still drawing walks. Maybe I’m just being optimistic, he does have a lot of strike-outs (26), but I think he will come around. Let’s face it, Schafer is not coming up anytime soon. September is the earliest we are going to see him. What other options do we have? At least his defense in center is great.
Melky might not even be an issue at this point. Given Hinske’s mashing in the past couple of games, I definitely don’t think Melky will be in the lineup as much and Matty D will be getting the starts against lefties. Melky is the odd man out at this point if Hinske keeps hitting. I know RBI’s are fickle sometimes, but 13 RBI in 39 AB’s for Hinske is pretty impressive. No way Melky is above him on the totem pole right now.
Kawakami has not pitched that bad, he is just getting poor run support. If he was getting the support Lowe has been getting, there’s no way his record would be 0-6. We need to give him more time. I like his chances Friday against the D-Backs if our offense shows up like it has been.
it’s just soooo much uncontrolled and improper public rosterbation.
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