Calling all armchair managers...
by ryan c on May 10, 2010 1:15 PM EDT
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Well, our braves are royally sucking, 3 key players are hurt, 2 of them disabled, mccann is back to glasses, and there is no power on the team. Glaus seems to have found a knack for singles and K's in the worst of situations and Melky has been downright Smelky.
Things couldn't look worse for our beloved braves. Bobby Cox has never been the "shake it up" manager and neither has the braves organization been the type to fire coaches to prove a point, so no matter how many people get on the "Fire Pendleton" bandwagon, it's probably not going to happen. However, Bobby will often tweek things a bit by shuffling the lineup and the FO will often shake things up a bit via trade or dfa. So, what is the solution?
Is there a solution? Probably not, but something does need to change. This is not necessarily an agree with me/disagree with me type post. It's more of a "what would you do" post. Please try not to get too eccentric in moves/deals (no pujols trades please), but keep it within reason. I'll kick it off...
My armchair manager solution: When Heyward returns to action, pressured or not, he needs to get more ABs. Chipper, whether he likes it or not, is not a #3 hitter anymore. Nate Mclouth has said many times that he's not very comfortable at leadoff. The lineup has been tweeked numerous times with Nate, Melky, Diaz, and Escobar all receiving time leading off and none have showed they deserve the role. Yet, our 3,4,5 has stayed the same, even with the obvious power outages from them, while heyward continues to sit batting 6th or 7th. So, here are my changes:
1. DFA Melky. He provides nothing to this team and we have no future commitment to him. There are many teams that might be interested in Melky as a CF so a trade could also be an option, however if I'm Frank Wren, I can't be that patient.
2. Sign Gary Sheffield. Hopefully we can acquire something of minimal value for Melky but I wouldnt bank on it. It'd be nice to pluck Alex Gordan from KC, however I dont see a match there and it'd take a lot more than Melky to get Alex. So, that brings us to the open roster spot...Gary Sheffield. With Melky gone, there will be a hole that needs to be filled and hopefully it can be filled with some pop. Although Gary has seen better days, he can still swing a bat and play the field (not all that well, but he's serviceable). His defensive ratings were atrocious last year but that was a very small sample size and the upgrade he'd provide on offense would be well worth the one ball/4-5 games that he wouldnt get to that melky would have been able to catch. tt.
3. New Platoon: Hinske/Sheffield: Hinske is a career .800 ops player againt rhp. While there's not a huge platoon split against LHP, gary has consistently hit LHP better for his career (.940 ops compared to .896 against rhp). While I think a .940 ops would be a longshot from gary, an ops over .800 wouldn't. This obviously becomes a moot point if Matty D starts mashing again, however his inconsistency when handed a full-time job might have finally worn on me. So, it's back to PH extraordinaire for you Matt.
4. Lineup reconstruction: Hopefully, BMac and Escobar can rebound and show some pop for the rest of the year, however I think the years of Chipper Jones in the 3-hole should be laid to rest. Chipper still remains one of the best in the league at getting on base, however just getting on base is not what a typical #3 hitter is supposed to do. Here's my newly constructed lineup:
1. Chipper
2. Prado
3. Heyward
4. Mccann
5. Hinske/Sheffield
6. Glaus
7. Escobar
8. Mclouth
This lineup construction actually promotes SCORING (YAY) with high OBP/OPS leading off, situational hitting batting 2nd, and high OBP and OPS coming from the 3rd and 4th holes. And, the most important part of the 1-4 hitters...CONSISTENCY. While all players can go through funks, these 4 will atleast draw walks when in a funk.
4. It's the pen for Kenshin: Kris Medlen deserves the opportunity to start. Kenshin, victim of an insanely stupid park, gave up 3 hr Sunday and is looking very hittable these days. Medlen, although not terribly sharp, provided the braves with 4 1/3 innings of 1 run ball and the braves won their only game of the Philly series, something Kenshin hasnt been able to say so far this season. Maybe he needs to get some advice from Joe Morgan on "How to Win". Nothing fancy...just Kenshin and Medlen swap roles. KK gets to hang with Saito. Medlen gets to hang with Hanson.
5. FIRE TERRY PENDLETON....just kidding.
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Fire the training staff and get new people who will keep Chipper, Escobar, and Heyward on the field.
I would just hope that players come back healthy and produce. I can see eventually slotting Prado at leadoff, Chipper second and Heyward third, but I don’t know if we want to do that yet—-and we can’t until Chipper and Heyward are back anyway.
DFAing Melky and signing Sheffield would be beyond stupid. Sheffield hasn’t been able to play passably in the OF for many years now (although there aren’t many stats because he has been a DH)—even his stints with the Yankees in 2004 and 2005 weren’t good. And it would be even worse now as the fork sticking out of his back would further limit his movement. I don’t see how adding a player similar to Garrett Anderson from last year (yes, in their primes there was no comparison, but now, well, Sheffield is a shell of his former self) helps us any.
And if Melky’s performance thus far this season merits his being DFA’d, so does the performances turned in by McLouth and Diaz. And if you DFA all of them, Heyward will never be healthy because it is tough to avoid tweaking something while playing all three outfield positions simultaneously. DFAing Melky and not Diaz and McLouth would just be bitterness due to the Vazquez trade, and that would be silly for anyone to do; no less the front office that made the trade.
Unfortunately, there really isn’t any help available in AAA, nodoby is hitting particularly well there either. (On Friday night, the Braves managed five hits combined by Gwinnett and Atlanta—-that has to be some sort of record.) As unpleasant as it seems, we have to wait and see what we can do with the guys we have, because, right now, there just aren’t any better alternatives.
A name that keeps coming to my mind and is rumored to be very available (to the tune of relief help and a marginal position prospect) is David DeJesus. I know is not an impact player but he is a consistant everyday good defender in left with experience batting 1 or 2 in the order. I wonder if a Melky-Chavez package would be good enough (or substitute positional prospect for Melky) and then bat DeJesus at leadoff.
It would be a very low profile move but wouldn’t hut us much at all and could really balance our lineup without sacrificing any defense.
Jason Heyward wins at baseball.
by bbxxj on May 10, 2010 3:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Chavez has a ton of team control left, but with our pitching surplus, he would be replacable. Somebody from the pen will have to go before long anyway if we’re gonna keep both Kimbrel and Venters, both of whom I hope we do keep. Chavez, Marek, Proctor, Dunn, there are several potential arms to package with Melky, Diaz or McLoth this summer. Wren likes making trades, I’m looking for 1 in June, 1 at the deadline.
Heyward is pretty good
I agree, our relief surplus is really our main source of trade chips, and with teams like the Royals desperate for relief help we may be able to snag a decen outfielder without a real prospect hit. If DeJesus came in here and hit .280/.350/.450 with a few homers and steals like he usually is capable of I would be very pleased.
Jason Heyward wins at baseball.
by bbxxj on May 10, 2010 3:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
DeJesus
Cabrera plus an inexpensive reliever would cut the Royals salary by about a million dollars, they might do it. Taking Diaz back plus that reliever would save them $2 mil.
Heyward is pretty good
I seriously doubt the Royals trade DeJesus...
…without getting at least a decent prospect in return. Guys like Chavez, Marek, Proctor, and Dunn are fungible middle relievers without much trade value (remember, Chavez’s true name is “salary dump”), and Melky doesn’t have a ton of trade value, although he has a little. The problem is that DeJesus isn’t very expensive and is productive. We would have to give up something real to get him.
It drives me crazy that Chipper has a death grip on the 3 hole. Here’s a crazy idea, bat the pitcher 8th, Chipper 9th to get on base for the top of the order. If he gets back to near his career numbers, move him back to 2nd or 3rd. He’d lose some AB’s, but maybe that would help his injury count too.
Heyward is pretty good
Grip?, more like strangle hold
I wonder what his reaction would be….Bobby’s move seems to be to “sit” him for a rest. Yesterdays game saw him pass on at least a 1/3 of hittable balls (strikes) and I kept wondering why he did not pull the trigger. At least one it was a hitters count 3-1 and no outs. Now that Troy is making contact a little more we need him to turn up the power a little…yes it will mean a few more stikeouts but, duh, as long as he does not approach Adam Dunn numbers it will be cool.
my lineup
1. Infante
2. Chipper
3. Heward
4. Heap/Glaus
5. Glaus/Heap/Prado/Diaz
6. Prado/Diaz/Yunel/Freeman (yes call him up)
7,8 combo of left overs
9 pitcher
Glaus power
Now that he’s making contact, I think the power will come before too long. I’m just glad he’s getting singles at this point, gotta walk before you run.
Heyward is pretty good
THIS
We have to remember he missed practically all of last year. It takes time to get back up to speed
by eaheckman10 on May 11, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
in response to cavebird and bbxj...
comparing garret anderson to gary sheffield is a disgrace to gary’s offense. i could agree with you on the defensive side except gary’s arm is better than garret’s. sheffield is a far superior offensive player even now. gary had an ops of .823 last year while garret’s was .705. their values are not even close.
and dfa’ing melky has nothing to do with bitterness. he’s been a below average offensive left fielder and a well below average defensive centerfielder. he was a 4th outfielder before he came to the braves and he’s gotten worse. diaz needs time and has shown year after year that he is a slow starter. dfa’ing mclouth is out of the question because of the money he’s owed. whether you agree or disagree, dfa’ing or trading melky makes the most sense financially. diaz atleast has value from one side of the plate. melky, left-handed, right handed…he sucks all around.
i dont mind dejesus if the problem were getting on base. it’s not. acquiring dejesus takes ABs away from hinske and does nothing to the power outage that we’re facing.
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That still doesn't make any sense to me.
There is no reason to believe that Sheffield would not make at least a small regression from last year due to age, and a large one might be forthcoming. Add that to his defense and while you are right that he still might be better than Garrett Anderson, he still isn’t any good, and isn’t the solution to anything.
As for DFAing Melky, you are basing his regression on about 30 games. But then you turn around and say that Diaz still has value against lefties, even though through the same sample size, Diaz has sucked against lefties this year. I don’t see the big deal on McLouth’s salary; he is paid $4.5 this year and $6.5 next year. If we just dump guys that suck, that money is already gone, why would that stop us? Yeah, Melky is not signed through next year, but he is signed for this year, so that money is already gone, and we don’t save anything by DFAing him as opposed to simply non-tendering him in December. I don’t see how DFAing Melky makes the most sense financially—-our commitments are our commitments—-DFAing anyone won’t save us any money, whoever it is.
dfa'ing melky vs. mclouth...
melky: roughly 2 million dollars
mclouth: 9.5 million dollars
considering mclouth has a better track record and plays better defense, your argument is indefensible.
diaz has a career .900 ops against lhp, yet he has ops’ed under .700 every April since he has been part of the braves organization. he’s notorious for being a slow starter.
melky’s career ops line is .719 against rhp and .664 against lhp. matty d, who is considered a platoon player because of his weakness against rhp has a career .707 ops against rhp.
so lets see…he has the worst career line of all 3 players, he will cost the team less money, and he’s hitting like a barbie doll.
and i’m not basing his “regression” on a 30 game sample size, but rather a career’s worth of data that says he’s worse than mclouth and diaz.
My opinion cant be wrong. It's my opinion. Those who don't like it can piss up a rope.
You are still wrong about the money argument.
It does not cost us less to DFA Melky than McLouth (or Diaz for that matter). What we owe them is already money we have to spend. Whether we DFA Melky, DFA McLouth, DFA both, or DFA neither, we will still pay them a total of $11.5 million approximately.
Also, if your reason for wanting to DFA Melky is that you think he is a bad player period, then we are back to my original point that you hated the trade. If you think he is so bad overall that he should be DFA’d, you obviously hated the trade.
Finally, your career number comparisons leave out one crucial factor: age. Diaz is 32, McLouth is 28, Melky is 25. That means that Melky is much more likely to improve than McLouth or Diaz. With Heyward back, Melky, hopefully, can go back to being the fourth OF, which is a much better role for him. I still don’t see the need to DFA him. Certainly not for some over-the-hill vet who could easily be finished.
actually no i'm not...
because we have no future financial commitments to melky.
and to your point about age: if age is the only qualification you bring to your argument then i heard that francoeur guy is young. why dont we go get him? age is only a legit argument when the player is actually improving from year to year…not getting worse (as is melky). AND THAT’S NOT USING A 30 GAME SAMPLE SIZE!
and it’s funny that a “32 year old” is considered “over the hill”. you must be 18 or something to even bring in that argument. and it’s funny how your accusations of meusing a 30 game sample size on melky’s performance is unjustified, yet you contradict yourself by calling matt diaz “over the hill” after 30 games this year (when he was easily our best outfielder last year and has proved year after year to be a great hitter and decent fielder).
and melky wasnt even close to the center piece in that trade, so if it were just for melky, then yes, i would have hated the trade. however, there are 2 guys in the minors that you might have heard of that are having promising years: dunn & vizcaino.
and dfa’ing mclouth means you have to fill not one, but 2 holes in the outfield next year (because there’s no way the braves tender a contract to melky next year) which will cost much more money.
do you think if the braves dfa’d mclouth that someone would just play center field for free?
My opinion cant be wrong. It's my opinion. Those who don't like it can piss up a rope.
Dude Chill
Schafer will be the CF next year
Heyward will be RF
Melky will be our 4th OF
Diaz will be gone
We will fill LF via free agency
3b will be Chipper
SS will be Yunel
2B will be Prado
1B will be Freeman/Hinske
Bench Players
Hinske
Melky
Conrad
Ross or another backup Catcher
Infante b/c I said so
Another Free Agent
We will get rid of
McClouth
Release Diaz
Wagner Retires
Saito is a toss up and probably not on Braves in 2011 but could be.
and hopefully move either Kawakami or Lowe most likely kawakami
Age is an important factor but not the only factor. However, not being the only factor does not lessen the age consideration or the legitimacy of the argument. Diaz is not that good and Bobby got the absolute best from him. Diaz is a role player and has always been so. Yes, he had a good year last year but he is not a starting OF except in circumstances where we don’t have anything better at the moment. the guy isn’t TEX in the second half of the season either. His shelf life in MLB is 4-5 years max and he won’t get any better than what he was last year and I doubt he ever hits those numbers again.
JEFF F could be good if someone taught him how to take a walk and that’s why teams will give him a chance over and over again until he hits 29+ then like Diaz his probability of improving decreases and therefore his role and MLB shelf life does so as well. Melky is 25 you are absolutely wrong about DFAing Melky. Money, Youth, Flexibility, everything about that is wrong.
Melky is a 4th OF but could easily be more useful than Diaz. he can play all OF positions and Diaz is not a good OF. He can switch hit and yes he can’t hit anything right now. Diaz cannot and isnt hitting anything right now either. melky is 25 and Diaz is 30+ the only true thing that Diaz has over Melky is his intense gamer mentality which I respect and Like. When bobby goes so will Diaz whether it’s deserved or not.
Don’t get super mad and say rude remarks back. I’ve been matter of fact in this post and not rude. If we disagree “which we do” then so be it. Cavebird always has something to say about my posts as well but he’s right on this one. DFAing Melky is just bad business at this point. Schafer will be in the bigs next year and even if he completly blows at the plate he will start because of his defense.
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dont assume my posts are condescending. scroll up to cavebird’s first post before passing judgment.
in a perfect world where finances are plentiful, dfa’ing mclouth (who has more speed, better defense, and more power and owed more money) might be an option the braves might take. however, money is a big deal and dfa’ing mclouth means you’d have to pay smelky 3.5 million dollars to stink again, costing your team 10 million dollars in poor production instead of just 6.5.
as of right now, the braves are going to have to pay for (or replace internally) a left fielder, backup outfielder, utility infielder, 1st baseman, backup catcher, bench bat, setup man, and closer.
so, you guys plan to add centerfield to that equation?
charmin to the rescue again about poor etiquette on posts, even after that heading below
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as of right now, the braves are going to have to pay for (or replace internally) a left fielder, backup outfielder, utility infielder, 1st baseman, backup catcher, bench bat, setup man, and closer.
LF – McClouth/Melky – Check
4th OF – McClouth/Melky/Diaz – Check
Utility IF – Intante/Conrad/Diory – Check
1B – Freddie Freeman – Check
2nd C – Sammons/Ross – Check
Bench Bat – Plenty of F/A out there
Setup Man – Venters/Moylan – Check
Closer – Kimbrel – Check
So, really we only need to be concerned about 1 or 2 positions going into next season. And if we are talking about a CF – Schafer – Check.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 12, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
So if we're building the 25 man out of next spring...
C-McCann
1B-Freeman
2B-Prado
SS-Escobar
3B-Jones
RF-Heyward
CF-Schafer
LF-McLouth? Melky? Diaz? Acquisition?
BN-Infante
BN-Conrad
BN-See LF? Matt Young?
BN-Acquisition? Resign Hinske?
BN-Sammons? (Ross deserves and likely gets an offer to start somewhere)
SP-Hudson
SP-Hanson
SP-1 of Lowe/KK/JJ
SP-another of Lowe/KK/JJ
SP-Minor/Medlen
RP-Kimbrel
RP-Gearrin
RP-Moylan
RP-Minor/Medlen
RP-Venters
RP-EOF/Dunn
RP-Chavez? Saito? Wagner? Proctor? EOF/Dunn? Hyde? Several others?
by Mr. Sanchez on May 12, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
if we're talking roster, there needs to be money involved...
mlbcontracts.blogspot.com has our financial obligations for the 2011 season as 59 million to 6 players so will get them out of the way:
derek lowe, chipper jones, tim hudson, kenshin, bmac, nate
assuming we pick up infante’s 2011 club option (which i didnt realize it was a club option) that adds 2.5 more (61.5)
so, that’s 61.5 million spent on 8 players. there are 8 players arb eligible and atleast 5 of those will get picked up (escobar, jj, prado, o’flaherty, moylan). the questionables will obviously be diaz, melky, and saito (he’s actually arb eligible for the 3rd time).
with that being said, those 5 players’ increase in salary could reach 8-12 million on top of what they were already making (stephen drew made 3.4 million his first year of arb eligibility and i think we all know that escobar is better than him).
so, lets shoot the middle and say those 5 players collectively cost an extra 10 million. with their salaries already at a collected 3 million for this year, that’s 13 million+61.5= 74.5 million on 13 players.
let’s continue: 12 spots right now..
minimum guys:
medlen- 500k
hanson- 500 k
heyward- 500k
conrad- 500 k
venters- 500 k
kimbrel-500 k
freeman-500 k
schafer-500 k
total for minimum players: 4 million
20 players: 78.5 million dollars
5 roster spots available: 3 bullpen spots, 1 outfielder, and a backup catcher
2010’s payroll: 83.9 mil
if nothing changes, there will be less approx. 5.5 million dollars to fill 5 spots.
are you still thinking melky as a 4th outfielder at 3.5-4 million is justifiable?
My opinion cant be wrong. It's my opinion. Those who don't like it can piss up a rope.
It's a bit far out to be projecting money as well, although I know that's a part of it...
Simply put, if we’re building next year’s roster, it appears the vast majority of it is in place except for the end of the bench. LF is a ?, but it can be answered by an internal option stepping up (Melky, McLouth, Diaz), or perhaps an acquisition in free agency or trade. We have young arms, expendable veteran OF, and legit starting pitching to move out in trades. Money will be figured out over the winter, once we figure out who stays and who goes as far as arb offers, extensions, and trades.
what's wrong with those assumptions...
infante and ross- are free agents meaning they will cost money and both have value far beyond what we can probably give them.
moylan- until he can prove capable of getting rh hitters out, is no setup man.
kimbrel and freeman- your’e talking best case scenario there. while freeman i can see, there’s no way that we start the year with kimbrel as closer.
sammons- huge downgrade for a backup catcher and, considering the offensive production that is taken away when bmac sits, sammons will probably never realisticaly be an option the braves will consider.
melky for 4th outfielder at 3.5-4 million? really?
the problem with the braves is that our offense relies on a backup catcher and a utility infielder that can hit due to bmac being such a big part of the offense and chipper staying hurt so often. filling holes left by david ross and omar infante with diory hernandez and clint sammons is a major downgrade. if i were a betting man, i’d say that there’s no way in hell that this happens.
but this whole argument started b/c cavebird said this:
“It does not cost us less to DFA Melky than McLouth (or Diaz for that matter). What we owe them is already money we have to spend. Whether we DFA Melky, DFA McLouth, DFA both, or DFA neither, we will still pay them a total of $11.5 million approximately”
and i responded with this:
“in a perfect world where finances are plentiful, dfa’ing mclouth (who has more speed, better defense, and more power and owed more money) might be an option the braves might take. however, money is a big deal and dfa’ing mclouth means you’d have to pay smelky 3.5 million dollars to stink again, costing your team 10 million dollars in poor production instead of just 6.5.”
justin, do you realize how much blind faith you are putting into your roster by assuming that freeman is going to start at first, schafer in center, kimbrel at closer, and venters/moylan at setup man, sammons at backup catcher, diory at utility player? do you honestly think that will all happen and would you be comfortable with that team considering diory hernandez and clint sammons will probably each get 30 starts in a season?
My opinion cant be wrong. It's my opinion. Those who don't like it can piss up a rope.
please excuse the typos....
My opinion cant be wrong. It's my opinion. Those who don't like it can piss up a rope.
kimbrel and freeman- your’e talking best case scenario there. while freeman i can see, there’s no way that we start the year with kimbrel as closer.
So, you can see Freeman manning first, even though he is still in AAA, but you can’t see Kimbrel being our closer, even though he has looked fantastic in relief in late innings at the MLB level so far this year?
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 12, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
kimbrel...
might inherit the closer’s job sometime during the year, however giving billy a 2nd year option (which he’s obviously not taking) tells me that the braves might have other plans for 2011.
and it wasnt that long ago when kimbrel really struggled with the infamous walk (10 WP and 45 bb last year in 60 innings).
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Giving Billy the 2nd year option was smart GM-ing just in case Kimbrel wasn’t ready yet.
They have already called him up, which indicates that they think he is ready, and that isurance of a 2nd year option with Wags is now unnecessary.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 13, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?...
Infante is not a free agent. As noted above, he has a relatively inexpensive option that will almost certainly be picked up. Ross goes, and if Sammons isn’t acceptable (although we’ve certainly run out worse before—Corky Miller, and Eddie Perez wasn’t exactly Javy Lopez with the stick), backup C isn’t a major concern.
Um, “Moylan is no set up man”? Check out his career numbers. His splits against righties prove that he’s “capable of getting rh hitters out”. One way or another, that bit was EXTREMELY mistaken, either in player or description.
Kimbrel and Freeman—All signs point to Freeman at 1B next year considering how he’s doing in AAA. Kimbrel looks to have the control problems answered, and as for closing next year, I guess that depends on who else we got, and how well he looks the rest of the way. Moylan could possibly close, or Medlen if Minor takes the 5th starter spot. Wagner might change his mind, and Saito would be arb eligible with significant closing experience. Especially if Kimbrel can show out this year, closer doesn’t seem like an issue.
Melky as 4th OF, if he can’t pick it up and prove a possible LF option, I doubt we offer him arb to just be a bench player. Not an issue.
“our offense relies on a backup C and a utility IF”? Are you high? Our offense relies on Jason Heyward, Prado or Escobar or whoever setting the table for bats like JH, or Chipper, McCann, etc below. Yes, Chipper and McCann are big producers that occassionally miss time. But to claim our offense “relies” on two backups ignores the contributions of other starters, especially the player currently providing the bulk of our production.
by Mr. Sanchez on May 13, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
+ the number of “discussion” that we have had over the past few months – in other words, A LOT!
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 13, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
mr. sanchez...
making clint sammons our backup catcher is not an option the braves will consider because too much of our offense depends on good offensive production from the catcher spot.
would you care to make a friendly wager on the above scenario unfolding/not unfolding?
and i was the one who self-corrected concerning infante. for some reason, i swore his option was a player option. obviously , it’s not.
obviously the moylan statement was directed toward lefthanders who hit him at a ridiculous rate. no way we make him setup man…he’s too valuable to be held down to one inning. he’s a situational pitcher, not a setup man.
and justin…
i’m glad you have insight on wagner’s option and kimbrel’s future closing gig. i didnt realize frank wren came out and said such. fyi, kimbrel has pitched 1.1 innings in the major leagues and he has 2 walks. that proves nothing about his “control” and neither does that 15 inning sample-size in gwinnett.
My opinion cant be wrong. It's my opinion. Those who don't like it can piss up a rope.
I have as much insight as you do…
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 13, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed...
however you talk in absolutes.
also, you stated that kimbrel has looked “great” in late innings thus far, yet he’s only pitched 1.1 innings. and 0.1 of those innings he was taken out because he couldnt find the plate.
My opinion cant be wrong. It's my opinion. Those who don't like it can piss up a rope.
…hence the words “so far” that I included in my comment.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on May 13, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Moylan's been a set up man, a great one...
and check the numbers, I wouldn’t call that a “ridiculous rate”
by Mr. Sanchez on May 13, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
career numbers:
273 avg with a .392 obp against lh hitters? that’s not ridiculous?
and obviously there’s not much data but it’s atrocious this year: .438 batting average .609 obp 1.109 ops
just continue dodging the stats….
My opinion cant be wrong. It's my opinion. Those who don't like it can piss up a rope.
Reading Comprehension ryan c, please try it.
I did not call Matt Diaz over the hill. (For the record, I am older than Diaz, lol. My baseball skills are not improving. Not getting worse, either, however, because they are nonexistent. At least that is something.) Re-read my other post. I said I saw no reason to DFA Melky for some over-the-hill vet who could easily be finished. I obviously didn’t mean Diaz—-you DFA a guy to get him off your roster, meaning you would replace him on the roster with somebody who is not currently on the roster. Since Diaz is already on the roster, we couldn’t DFA Melky for Diaz. My reference was obviously to Sheffield, who is the player you suggested we DFA Melky for. And, yes, Sheffield is an over-the-hill vet.
Dunn wasn’t the centerpiece of the trade, either, it was Vizcaino. Dunn has the upside of good LOOGY. That just isn’t a trade centerpiece. He was a cheaper version of Boone Logan who had upside.
As for McLouth DFAing being more costly than DFAing Melky, that still makes no sense. You explanation for it being more costly is that we are going to non-tender Melky, which means that you are saying that DFAing (or otherwise dropping) both McLouth and Melky is more costly than just DFAing Melky, which makes sense as then we have to fill two roster slots instead of one. But that doesn’t make DFAing Melky cheaper than DFAing McLouth.
As for who would play center if we DFA’d McLouth, the two possibilities would be Schafer and Melky. (And for the record, while Melky is below average in center, so is McLouth, the defense metrics show them about the same with McLouth slightly worse.) Now, this is all silliness because there really isn’t any reason to DFA either Melky or McLouth right now. But to say one would be more costly because you are already assuming we are non-tendering the other is ridiculous.
...
while i won’t apologize for disagreeing, i will apologize for my misinterpretation of your age/post. i’m sorry for assuming you were an 18 year old and assuming you were talking about diaz.
My opinion cant be wrong. It's my opinion. Those who don't like it can piss up a rope.
Fair enough.
I just don’t see Melky as being bad enough to deserve being DFA’d. Although if he keeps performing like this all year…..
And, hey,...
…fwiw, I would love to be 18 again, lol.
infante
so far has been a glimmer of hope at the leadoff spot.. why change things until he cools down?
Yeah, he needs to stay in the lineup. Even when Yunel comes back, move Prado to 3B and Infante to 2B so Chipper can rest…or maybe it’s time for some more Infante in CF antics!
Another uninnocent, elegant fall into the unmagnificent lives of adults...
by Smoltz's Beard on May 10, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
wouldnt we all love
a hinske/infante/heyward outfield. oh yeah
At this point…YES
Another uninnocent, elegant fall into the unmagnificent lives of adults...
by Smoltz's Beard on May 11, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
We would love it...
…right until someone hit a fly ball that wasn’t headed towards Heyward.
Shouldn't this.....
Belong in the rosterbation thread?
"Look out Atlanta. He [Jason Heyward] is going to wow you."
-Chipper
honestly....
is it that big of a deal? it’s not “trade scenario” rosterbation. yes it’s hypothetical, but c’mon…
but nice input…sigh
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It's not that big of a deal
But it is a “trade scenario” and does belong in the rosterbation thread. Aside from that I like the creative thinking, and you definitely put some real thought into it.
What I’m with you on:
- Moving Heyward up in the lineup (imo 2nd)
- Mixing it up in some way
- Giving Hinske more playing time
What I’m against you on
- SHEFFIELD
- Letting Melky go. Alot of guys on this team are slumping….should we release them too?
- Moving KK to the pen. He deserves more time, but I’m not against Medlen starting if he/ Lowe continue to struggle
- Moving Glaus down in the lineup. It appears he’s starting to find his groove
"Look out Atlanta. He [Jason Heyward] is going to wow you."
-Chipper
thanks for the input...
glaus probably doesnt deserve to move down.
sheffield is a pretty outlandish idea.
dfa’ing melky is still a very real option to improve this club considering he’s never been good and is known for his “clutch hitting” which is not a repeatable skill.
kk pitched pretty well from the pen last year and he looks really rough right now. maybe it’s a bit premature, but if medlen gets a few more starts and does well and kk continues to struggle, the braves will have an interesting decision to make when jj comes back.
i dont know how to do bullets…can you explain?
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by MacsGlasses on May 11, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd be interested in......
Acquiring Dejesus and Gordon. I think Gordon is a buy low type guy right now somewhat similar to the phillies and their acquisition of Werth. Obviously, this would take a better package deal from the Braves but it would be worth inquiring into.
Melky
Devall
Chavez
for
Dejesus
Gordon
maybe throw Tyler Sample or Louis Coleman in there.
Logic here is that some guys are down on Devall because of health and the Royals obviously are down on Gordon. Melky is a very flexible player that just hasn’t gotten the bat going and the trade seems to be a win/win for everyone. In regards to trading chips offered by braves and salary relief for the Royals I think this is plausible scenario that would be a move for NOW and the future.
Now I know the Royals' braintrust isn't the smartest...
…but if they did anything but laugh at that offer, they should be all fired instantly. Even if Gordon is struggling and has been (foolishly) sent down, he still has some value. DeJesus has far more value than Melky. If we want a DeJesus/Gordon package, we would have to give up something real for it.
Devall isn't chump change by any means
Melky is a salary relief move so the value of DeJesus and Melky is moot because of that relief offsets the value. Maybe a someone better than Chavez but serious not much more than that for straight Melky (Relief Arm) and Dejesus.
Now Gordon is a highly touted guy but many scouts are down on him lately and the Royals obviously sent him down for a reason. So there’s wiggle room here. Maybe Devall is not the guy but he’s not a chump change piece either. Maybe you add another prospect in the deal but that trade is pretty real
Dejesus
Gordon
Melky (Salary Relief can play NOW)
Chavez (Can Play NOW and cheap)
Devall (Legit Prospect who could be a top 7 prospect in braves organization if not some health issues)
Maybe a Scott Diamond guy who could get called up sooner rather than later.
But honestly I wouldn’t offer more than that. The IDEA PRESENTED ABOVE WAS TO BUY LOW. I even gave an example of Werth and Phillies. The idea is not to offer to much as it’s a buy low situation. If they balk at it then move on.
Well, I guess we could try it.
But like I said, if the Royals did anything but laugh, their entire front office should be canned. And DeJesus doesn’t make that much money, so we can’t just get him on the cheap for salary relief. If we want someone on the cheap for salary relief, I am sure the Royals would give us Jose Guillen for a bag of used balls.
I'd be interested in.........
This line .375/.435/.552 in AAA
Who is this? Blalock who the Rays have to make a decision on in the next few weeks as Blalock and Boras have threatened to use their opt out clause if he’s not promoted to the big’s for his 975k contract.
Just saying he could be a useful guy at 1B or 3B as a backup kinda the Hinske of the infield. Might not have room for him though?
I'd be interested in...........
Pushing Lowe to the following real hard:
Dodgers
Boston
Angels
or Kawakami to the following
Brewers
Reds
Angels
Nationals
I’d have more faith in Pedro Martinez coming off the beach and pitching than D Lowe. The kawakami idea is more of salary relief next year if we can’t get rid of Lowe. FYI I don’t think trading Lowe away makes us a less competitive team once JJ is back.
We tried to move Lowe in the off-season.
And had absolutely no takers. I don’t think he has particularly improved his stock since then. Boston has 6 starters already, the Dodgers aren’t taking on salary given the owners’ divorce, and the Angels went a different direction. As for Kawakami, we’d be selling low, and I honestly don’t think people would take his salary right now.
Just because there were no takers this summer doesn't mean needs have changed
Dodgers are going TO HAVE TO PICK UP A Pitcher and with money coming off the books in droves this offseason they can afford to do so without severely affecting their current budget.
Angels went in a different direction and it’s biting them in the behind right now. Plus they can take the salary.
Bosox was a stretch but I’d be interested in what there going to do in order to stay competitive in the east this year. They got a ton of money coming off the books next year and Wakefield doesn’t count as a starter anymore. Plus Beckett is having back problems. However, you right this one is a stretch.
I think the dodgers and angels are legit partners if we don’t ask for hardly anything in return.
Kawakami is a sell low right now. But I honestly think he’s going to pick it up in May and June. He’s not as bad as he seems. 8 Million is not a bad deal for one year contract if he can pick it up. I mean the Brewers only have one pitcher maybe two if you count Wolfe any better than him. The dodgers could be interested at that price as well.
I don't think the Dodgers will pay for anything.
Period. They could still sign Washburn without giving up anything and get him cheaper than Kawakami. But they don’t and they keep trotting out junk at the back end of the rotation. They just won’t take on salary while the divorce is going on. No, they don’t have to pick up a pitcher, they can just keep trotting garbage out there, which is apparently their intention. And Lowe’s contract is just too big. I don’t think we’ll eat as much of it as it would take to get anyone interested, unless and until Lowe starts pitching better. At which point, we wouldn’t want to move him, lol.
As for Kawakami, we could possibly move him, I guess. But why would we sell low?
Really, with JJ on the shelf, why would we trade any pitchers?
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