And that makes 8: Braves Get Bashed by Cardinals 6-0
by Scott Coleman on Apr 28, 2010 11:08 PM EDT
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PrintFirst of all, I found this stat over on Vivaelbirdos.com. Read it and then read it a 2nd time. And then a 3rd time for good measure.
In 2006, the year the Cardinals won the World Series, they had TWO 8-game losing streaks. TWO! I know we're playing badly, but keep this in mind.
On a night that Talking Chop did the ULTIMATE form of "slump breaking", a Nate McLouth silent treatment on the Opening Thread, the Braves' offense and defense fell asleep and the pitching suffered because of it.
In the bottom of the 1st, Kenshin Kawakami had a double play ball hit at Yunel Escobar, but Esco botched the catch and allowed runners to move into scoring position for Albert Pujols. Pujols delivered and drove in the 1st run of the game with a RBI single to CF. The Cardinals struck again via a wild pitch on a Colby Rasmus strikeout. The Cardinals scored again on a wild pitch in the 3rd inninng making it 3-0.
The Cardinals essentially ended the game in the 5th inning, when sophomore phenom Colby Rasmus drove in a runner with a RBI double and was then scored on a 2-RBI single from David Freese.
The Braves threatened to cut into the 6-0 lead in the 8th inning with back-to-back hits from Yunel (double baby!!!!) and Marteeeny Weeeny, but they were stranded after a Chipper flyout and Troy Glaus strikeout (which sadly would've been good for 200 hate comments in the Open Thread.)
That was the ball game. Cardinals win 6-0.
The Good (ha!), Bad and Ugly after the jump.
The Good:
Yunel Escobar - At least he's getting hits and on base from the leadoff spot. He went 1-for-3 tonight with a double and a walk.
Jesse Chavez and Eric O'Flaherty - 2IP 2H 0R
The Bad:
Kenshin Kawakami - The defense and offense certainly didn't help him out, but KK still struggled. This man is truly a professional. I'd probably get into a fist fight with my teammates if they scored for me like they do KK.
4.1IP 5H 4ER/5R 4BB/4K
Matt Diaz - 1-for-4, 3Ks against a lefty. Ugh.
Jonny Venters - 1.2IP 2H 1ER 4BB/1K
The Ugly:
The Braves' offense - 0 runs, 7 hits. Ha. (props to Melky for 2 of them!)
The Braves' defense - 2 more errors. That makes 20 errors in 21 games. Yowza.
Chipper Jones - 0-for-4; why is he still playing hurt? He's obviously not right and now he's playing for his own pride instead of the team. He's been pretty bad since injuring/straining/tweaking his hip in New York and is only hurting the lineup right now. I'd love to see Prado at 3B and Infante at 2B tomorrow.
Upcoming Game:
The Braves and Cardinals finish their 4-game series tomorrow afternoon in St. Louis. Jair Jurrjens will pitch for the Braves and former Brave (*wipes tears) Adam Wainwright will pitch for the Cardinals. First pitch is at 1:40EST.
And just incase you forgot the Stat of the Night:
In 2006, the year the Cardinals won the World Series, they had TWO 8-game losing streaks. TWO! I know we're playing badly, but keep this in mind.
GO BRAVES.
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The lack of OT didn't seem to help...
Let’s not do that again, ok? Its absence made the game even harder to watch.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 28, 2010 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
ROFL
You should at least try to convert her to being a Braves fan – I’m working on that with my wife.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 29, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh she is, she’s just not a glutton for punishment like me. She’ll go to games and cheer, but as far as sitting for 3 hours watching this current team, well, it ain’t happening. She watched some of the game last night, said “this is pitiful”, and left the room.
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
Ya know, I thought the same thing about Chipper tonight. He just doesn’t look right.
Jason Heyward is so good, he makes David Wright piss in Ryan Howard’s pants
by heap16 on Apr 28, 2010 11:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That game
was crappy, but we’ll turn it around. But please Scott, don’t take away the OT.. that made it so much worse. I’ll sacrifice NAHWAL for a win
"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"
Chipper's Bats
When did Chipper start using a light bat when hitting right handed? He has always used a black bat hitting right handed and light hitting left.
I hate this losing streak, and I hate it even more the Muts are on a winning streak.
by CooperstownChipper on Apr 28, 2010 11:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
REASONING BEHIND THE NO OPEN THREAD:
A couple members (myself included) of the TC Staff thought it might be a good idea to change the Braves’ luck by not having an OT. I know a lot of you didn’t like it and I’m sorry I didn’t have it up tonight.
Don’t worry though, it’ll be up nice and early for tomorrow’s game.
Again, we were just trying to try something new to break the slump. Sorry to all of the TC faithful who wanted to participate.
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
hey on the bright side
at least there’s fans that want the OT in the midst of an 8-game losing streak…. :-\
by BravesRaleigh on Apr 28, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t worry about it.. it was actually a great idea.. I’m just saying, if it happens again, I’m pleading the 5th and posting a rouge OT (jk)
"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"
Because, clearly it’ll be on a day that lumberjack pitches. And if you don’t show up than it means you hate lumberjack, and if so, F*ck you.
nice catch though
"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"
Shirtless....
I vote they play shirtless. Except for the coaches….PLEASE.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
I didn't...
Was I supposed to?
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 28, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
damn it! I forgot.
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
by Scott Coleman on Apr 28, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Started out, but after the first inning I put on something every time we had an error, K’d, didn’t hit or score after a walk or base hit.
I had on 4 layers of clothing (including shoes) by the time it was over. ;-)
"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West
by NCChopper on Apr 29, 2010 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Positives about tonight's game:
1) The Braves turned 4 double plays
2) Venters managed to pitch out of a bases loaded, no outs situation (albeit he created it) without giving up anymore runs.
3) Prado broke his 0 for 9 mini-slump
I know….I’m grasping at straws here.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 28, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions
Sympathy from a cards fan
You guys will be fine…i sat and watched as the cards had two 8 game losing streaks and one 7 game losing streak, yet still won the world series… but you have too much pitching not to be a playoff team… and if its any consolation, i hear pujols is available… for heyward, hanson, and freeman
60% of the time, it works EVERY time
by thenextgen on Apr 28, 2010 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Class
Very nice to see a classy post from an opposing fan.
Heyward is pretty good
We've actually seen a good number of them lately...
It’s much preferable to the typical trolls you’d expect to stop by after their team wins.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 28, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
As a rule...
Cards fans tend to be smart and have a sense of history and also one of decorum.
Unlike some other team’s fans I could mention…
by Sam Jethroe on Apr 29, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Like the Phillies?
ZOMG we’ve been good for 3 years and we’re now the #1 franchise in sports!!!
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
by Scott Coleman on Apr 29, 2010 12:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
:(
but…but…but… i thought i was yout guys favowite :’(
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Apr 29, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the sentiment.
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
by TonyAlmeyda on Apr 28, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you
very nice to see a classy opponent. Plus we get some humor, which is not common around here anymore. Rec’d for being a nice person. Plus your sig also belongs to someone here, so its ironic
"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"
would you guys be interested in Randy Gress?
I’d do him 1-for-1 for Pujols.
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
by Scott Coleman on Apr 28, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
pshhh
why would you undervalue Gress like that?
"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"
We could throw in Jo-Jo, too...
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 28, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Only if they want to eat some of Al’s salary.
Help me! Some bullies threw my shoes over a telephone wire...with me in them!!
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Apr 29, 2010 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve always thought that St. Louis had some of the classiest fans. I have made 2 trips there and have never had any trouble with any fans. I was there last year when the Braves swept the Cards in St. Louis and didn’t hear any bad comments about it.
Hinske
Please sit Chipper and play Hinske. Pleasseeeeee.
"You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!"
"Lollygaggers!"
"Lollygaggers"
Well, granted it is difficult to get a hit as a pinch hitter all the time. Odds are some playing time could only help. But yeah, I’m grasping at straws ha ha.
"You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!"
"Lollygaggers!"
"Lollygaggers"
You do know he’s 3 for his last 8, right? That’s .375.
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
by TonyAlmeyda on Apr 28, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
My positive input
At least we didn’t get no-hit like the Gwinnett boys did.
"These days, anytime one of my pitchers keeps Murphy in the ball park, I pat 'em on the fanny" - Pete Rose
by BravesCPO on Apr 28, 2010 11:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
uh, we did that already
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by Mighty Healthy on Apr 28, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember Skip saying a few years ago on TBS during another gnarly slump...
…“I think at this point Braves fans should avoid all sharp objects.”
Melky overheard after the game: “Wow, sure was weird to get a hit. I mean, man. Damn. I swung and the ball just went and I ran and I was safe. Gotta call Cano.”
This one was hard to stomach, but that tidbit about the two eight-game losing streaks made my day a little better.
Hinske needs to be starting; Chipper hasn’t been real “chipper” in the field or at the plate lately. Maybe he can start tomorrow?
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
Like
some others have hinted at I think Chipper is trying to prove Brian Jordan wrong. He probably would have took a few games off after that injury against the Mets if Jordan hadn’t said what he said.
A picture says a thousand words unless it is a picture of the Alabama football team then it only says one word.........CHAMPION!
by AlabamaTitans2009 on Apr 28, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Chipper can try and prove all he wants. It’s up to Bobby to sit him, and I think it’s time Bobby play the “I’m the manager card” and sit him for a few.
"You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!"
"Lollygaggers!"
"Lollygaggers"
Probably
I love Chipper and don’t want to seem negative, but was too damn frustrated not to post it. Already kinda regret it…
As well you should...
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Then Brian Jordan should just keep his mouth shut. I lost a little respect for him when he said that.
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
by TonyAlmeyda on Apr 28, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Chipper’s going to be in the Hall of Fame. Brian Jordan is not. Chipper should just ignore that comment.
"You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!"
"Lollygaggers!"
"Lollygaggers"
Well
the losing streak can’t last forever. I hope we get a win tomorrow. I’m glad we got Jurrjens going for us tomorrow but it will be tough going against Wainwright. Go Braves.
A picture says a thousand words unless it is a picture of the Alabama football team then it only says one word.........CHAMPION!
by AlabamaTitans2009 on Apr 28, 2010 11:33 PM EDT reply actions
No OT was a stupid idea.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 28, 2010 11:38 PM EDT reply actions
I enjoyed watching the game without the crazy doom posts for a change. Maybe I’m stupid, but I still think this Braves team will be good. I’m looking forward to the OT’s return, but liked not being tempted to keep up with it for a change.
Heyward is pretty good
You could always just watch the game without the OT up…some of us enjoy the OT and watching the games “together.”
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 28, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
i think it will be
4 or 5 starters batting under .200, only 1 guy near .300, and that guy only has 1 homer and a couple rbis
by BravesRaleigh on Apr 29, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed.
I’m in California, I have nobody I can really talk Braves baseball to. OT is a great place to vent, big time. It adds a very enjoyable element to watching the game.
[only built for cuban linx]
by Mighty Healthy on Apr 28, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Only 12 hours until the next one is up…
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
by Scott Coleman on Apr 29, 2010 12:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No OT was a stupid idea
My reaction to the “No OT” last night:
1. Initially a sense of “What the Hell?!” and felt very disappointed since I had worked all day outside and was looking forward to the game and celebrating the Braves getting back on the W side of things.
2. Then I laughed. Literally. Thinking what a great example of the unique personalities and mindset of the Mods here at TC and not being afraid to mix things up at times to keep us surprised.
3. I closed the laptop, said a little prayer of “I hope it works” and shared the couch with the hubby and the dog as we watched the game. Like the old days before I found TC.
.
I missed you all and the banter that we enjoy – but I think it was OK to have this little slump-busting experiment.
But don’t EVER do it again you hear!?!
.
"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West
+1
Cinderella is beast.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Losing 8 in a row with this team only means that we are going to win 12-14 in a row.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 28, 2010 11:40 PM EDT reply actions
I called that for June.
My reasoning is such: the team normally sucks in June, not in April – this is just opposite year.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 28, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
"it all comes out in the wash"
When it does, whoever is playing the Braves is going to lose
Heyward is pretty good
I hope we can turn it around this year but I can’t wait for next year. Hopefully with Cox gone we can trim away the fat on this team.
Right now the coaching staff is fine without Pendleton. Glaus, Kawakami, hopefully Lowe, and I’m ready to move Escobar if we get a decent replacement. His immaturity is killing us.
Glaus has been one of our hottest hitters lately. He is only on a 1 year contract, so you will get your wish, but please, for the love of baseball, stop pretending like he sucks.
“Decent replacement” for Esco is about as likely to happen as the Lowe/Vaz trade.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 28, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Glaus has looked good only because he gets 1 hit a game and everyone else has an 0-fer.
As far as Escobar goes he’s a good player but he has attitude issues and makes to many mental mistakes. When watching other teams play no one makes as many dumb mistakes as he does. I really believe that’s the biggest reason why no long term deal has ever been brought up about him.
Still a hypothetical 1-4 is .250 plus walks thrown in. I’m fine with Glaus. We all knew he struck out and hit low avg but is a great ball player. He’ll be fine.
"You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!"
"Lollygaggers!"
"Lollygaggers"
Right...
And .250 is close to Glaus’ career BA.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 28, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Glaus has 4 hits and 5 walks in his past 4 games with a slash line of .364 .563 .455 1.017
that is more than just a hit a game. He isn’t just “looking” good in a mirage sort of way. He IS good in a glad he is on our team sort of way.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 28, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
except for that K… but acceptable. I really don’t understand why everyone is down on Glaus
"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"
That K was ridiculous. It was worse when Heyward K’d backwards on the EXACT same pitch.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 28, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Fowler robbed him of extra bases, Victorino robbed him of a HR and Polanco robbed him of a double down the 3rd base line.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 28, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
dont forget
the wall robbed him of another double down the line, only got a single cuz it bounced back right to holliday
by BravesRaleigh on Apr 29, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention the Braves are only paying 1.75 mil.
Seriously, even if all he did was pinch hit that would be cheap.
by DogDaysofSummer on Apr 29, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t get all the Escobar hate. Sure, he makes mental errors, but he is a top 10 shortstop. Hard to find a better package of offense and defense for so cheap at a middle infield position
Agreed….he just needs to find that offense again.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 28, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Top 10?
I’d say top 5….if not top 3. And I don’t think that’s fan bias.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 28, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Top 3 is a stretch, but top 5 isn’t too far off. I think I have him somewhere around 6 on my personal list.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 28, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
well, NL only
Hanley
Tulo
J-Roll
Esco
I could see him top 3 at the end of this year
"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"
I’d put him above J-Roll, but an argument can easily be made for J-Roll above him.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 28, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree on Rollins.
I think he’s headed downhill.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 28, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Alcides>Esco? no way
"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"
You can't say someone is better because he MIGHT be better SOMEDAY.
You have to go with performance by players at the position RIGHT NOW.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 28, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
SSS much?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Of that list, you can cross off Drew, Bartlett, and A Escobar.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Jeter?
Really? Maybe a few years ago… Jeter isn’t the player he used to be.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 28, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Offensively, Jeter is better. Defensively, it isn’t even close – Yunel by miles.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
We need a guy like Jeter on this team though. We have nobody on this team that wants to win as badly as Jeter does. A lot of people talk negatively about him, but I’d take him on my team in a heartbeat. Even playing SS.
by dunnytwogloves on Apr 29, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Jeter’s calm eyes and big heart make the rest of his team play better.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
then my list is
hanley, salcedo, ernie banks, honus wagner, jeter, alcides, reyes, ripken, yunel
by BravesRaleigh on Apr 29, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
If the game starts at 1:30, what time should the OT for the animal sacrifice start??
/just curious, so I can work it into tomorrow’s schedule…
You probably want to get the animal sacrifices out of the way during the AM hours....
That way you have time to clean up all the blood before the game.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 28, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought you were supposed to wear the blood from the sacrifice during the game?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 28, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Hrmmm.....
Maybe I’ve been doing it wrong. So THAT’S why the team keeps losing!
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 28, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Chipper probably shouldn't be in the 3-hole anymore
He gets on-base, but he’s almost no power threat at all, and he really hasn’t been for the past 2 seasons (even his batting title season). Troy Glaus shouldn’t hit clean up either.
The sad thing is, we really have no alternative for either of those spots…
[only built for cuban linx]
by Mighty Healthy on Apr 28, 2010 11:44 PM EDT reply actions
Chipper is just fine as a 3 hitter. He OPSd just fine – even in his slump year.
Chipper will not hit 30+ HRs, but he will hit 20+. I am fine with that from him, provided he still has an OBP of .400.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 28, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
you think Chipper will even hit 20 hr’s this season?
[only built for cuban linx]
by Mighty Healthy on Apr 28, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 28, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn’t even hit 20 last year.. and he barely hit 22 in 2006, so i dunno
[only built for cuban linx]
by Mighty Healthy on Apr 28, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He hit 19, so let’s not act like he wasn’t close. He also had one of the worst averages of his career last year.
Why did you skip 2 seasons to find another season in which he had a lower HR total? Picking stats that support your argument much?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 28, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
my bad brosive, but i'm still right
2010: Chipper has 2 hr’s
2009: Chipper hit 18 hr’s
2008: Chipper hit 22 hr’s
[only built for cuban linx]
by Mighty Healthy on Apr 29, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
in 1997, he hit 21 HRs. I still fail to see your point.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
My point: He’s not going to hit 20 hr’s THIS SEASON. With his #‘s, he would be a superb #2 hitter. I don’t think he’s driving the ball or even a striking fear in pitchers anymore to be a #3 hitter anymore.. but, we don’t have an alternative or anything better to supplant Chipper.
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by Mighty Healthy on Apr 29, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve long been an advocate of Chipper in the 2 hole, but he is still a fantastic hitter – probably the best on the team – and that is exactly where you put your best hitter – in the 3 hole.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you think Chipper is currently the best hitter on the team?
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by Mighty Healthy on Apr 29, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
Does he have the most power? No.
Does he have the highest average? No.
Does he have the best plate discipline? No.
Is he the most complete hitter on the team? Yes.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
This.
Chipper is the most well rounded hitter, and the one likely to be the most consistent (when not hurt). He’s the “professional hitter” that FUGA could only dream of being.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 29, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he’ll hit at least 18 HRs.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 28, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
At his current rate, he won’t even break 15.
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
by TonyAlmeyda on Apr 28, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, at this current rate, he will hit 15.4 HRs.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 28, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
And you think that’s ok for the 3 hole? Not on a Bobby Cox managed team, Bobby sits around waiting for the 3-run HR. The thing is, nobody on this team can do that at a high enough rate.
I don’t see anyone, except Heyward, and probably Heap hitting 20 hr’s this season. That’s a problem. And NOBODY will steal 20 bases.
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by Mighty Healthy on Apr 29, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Possible 20 HR hitters on this team, in no particular order:
Heyward
Glaus
Chipper
Heap
Nate
Possible 15 HR hitters:
Prado
Yunel
Hinske
Diaz
Just because nobody has hit one in a while, doesn’t mean they can’t.
The offense will come around. The law of averages say that we shuold be in for a fantastic ride at some point this season.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
You beat me to it...
I was typing up almost that exact same reply when yours went through.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 29, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
So wait…Chipper and Glaus are going to hit 20 homers (presumably playing the whole season) AND Hinske is going to hit 15 homers (presumably off the bench). Dude, you’re drinking the kool aid man.
We are a team that tries to play for the long ball, with no legitimate big time power threats.
by dunnytwogloves on Apr 29, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Um…no I am not. Why do you think these numbers are impossible to achieve?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
How is Hinske going to get the necessary at-bats to hit 15 homeruns, if Chipper and Glaus are getting the at-bats to hit 20?
Also, this team is last in slugging % in the league. We’ve hit 12 homeruns on the season (and 3 of them came within 10 pitches in our last win). We love to talk about the “potential” of this team…but potential doesn’t win games.
by dunnytwogloves on Apr 29, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
By getting spot starts at 1B, 3B and in LF or RF and by being the #1 bat off the bench.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
The last time Hinkse had over 15 homeruns was 2008 when he did in fact hit 20. He did that in 432 plate appearances. So he averaged 21.60 plate appearances per homerun. His career rate is one homerun per every 31.37 plate appearances. So let’s split the difference and say it will take 25 plate appearances per homerun.
He’ll need 375 plate appearances to get to 15 homeruns. He’s got 24 through the first 21 games. He’s on pace for 185 plate appearances right now (and that’s with Chipper having missed a few games and they moved Prado over). He’s not going to get the necessary at-bats to make it happen.
by dunnytwogloves on Apr 29, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
He already has 4, which is on pace to blow his previous 2 seasons out of the water.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Troy Glaus doesn't usually hit clean up....
McCann does.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 28, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Heap, but I don’t think he would be a cleanup hitter on ANY playoff team.
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by Mighty Healthy on Apr 28, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Chipper will be and should be our #3 hitter.
But…
I believe he hurts us more than helps us when he insists on playing when he’s obviously struggling physically.
I’d rather Chipper sit out a few games and get himself healthy rather than weaken our already struggling team by not being able to give 100% either at the plate or defensively. No matter what Brian Jordan says in the media.
I love the guy, but it hurts me watching him play hurt.
"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West
This losing streak....
…should actually be longer (I know, I’m sorry for cursing like this!). Without the comeback wins against Colorado and Philly with 2 outs in the 9th, we are looking at the last solid win we had was the opening game of the Colorado series, which would have made this a 11 game losing streak. Houston can’t come soon enough (even though they now currently have a better record…..)
agreed, if you take all of those game-breaks away from us.. you should take them away from the other teams like philly with their home-run robbing, check-swing doubling, impossible catching lineup.
"I should have been like, 'Thank you, new guy. Don’t try the veal!'" - Chief Noc-A-Homa (Hohn's offspring)
one thing to remember about the 2006 cardinals.
they were in an awful division and were able to win it with only 83 victories
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out." Bill Hicks
by muidomi84 on Apr 28, 2010 11:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
im not beong mean
but like 4 of my friends who “follow” the braves just bailed. like i lol so hard at them
I am not a fair weather Braves fan at all, and by NO means am I happy with the way we have played baseball over the last two weeks of the season. I understand there is a whole hell of alot of baseball left to the season, but this is definatly not the way you want to start the season off.
Except the braves nearly ALWAYS start off bad in April.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 28, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe 2 year ago....?
They started off with a very good April, 16-9 if I recall right. They then promptly followed it up with a dreadful May…lol
OT: Kelly Johnson went yard (again) today
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by Mighty Healthy on Apr 28, 2010 11:55 PM EDT reply actions
8 so far – leading the league! None of them were cheapies either.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 28, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
yessir.. Minus Jason Heyward, KJ has more homers than our whole team… combined!
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by Mighty Healthy on Apr 28, 2010 11:58 PM EDT reply actions
reply fail, btw
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by Mighty Healthy on Apr 28, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Favorite part of the game: Bases loaded, no outs, Pujols and Holliday up, and…no runs score. It was a nice small victory in the game. I felt really bad for Venters though. Must of been an awful feeling before he got the outs.
That was my favorite part of the game, too!
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 29, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Once again, in case you missed it:
A couple members (myself included) of the TC Staff thought it might be a good idea to change the Braves’ luck by not having an OT. I know a lot of you didn’t like it and I’m sorry I didn’t have it up tonight.
Don’t worry though, it’ll be up nice and early for tomorrow’s game.
Again, we were just trying to try something new to break the slump. Sorry to all of the TC faithful who wanted to participate.
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
That was well played Mau…Scott
"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"
by GoBravesNY on Apr 29, 2010 12:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m not even allowed in Mexico.
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
by Scott Coleman on Apr 29, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t be afraid to experiment. I can’t think of any demonstrable correlation between what happens here and the team’s performance, of course, but the value of this effort could be measured in how it made the fans watch the game differently. So even if it made no difference in the dugout, perhaps it got us to look at the game a little more closely…you kow, without all the Shift-A’ing.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
I'm impressed
152 comments and I haven’t had to warn/ban anyone yet. Good job, everyone.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
hobbs can explain more than I could/will spend my time doing, but basically don’t be a jackass, remember it’s a long season and don’t say something to someone you wouldn’t say if you were in the same room as they are.
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
by Scott Coleman on Apr 29, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Community Guidelines
http://www.talkingchop.com/pages/talking-chop-community-guidelines
It’s a little dated, but the bottom line is attempting to hijack another subject’s thread in order to bitch about the happenings of the game was not welcome.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
You should ban/warn me
With crappy overpaid vets of course!
by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Apr 29, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
where's the frustration?
is it just me, or does this braves squad have too good of a poise? where’s the aggravation after 8 damn losses??
"well if a-lovin' me is wrong..."
go check out some of Chipper’s, Bobby’s and the rest of the team’s quotes after tonight’s game. They’re starting to get pissed. I feel bad for whichever teams gets all this anger unleashed on them
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
by Scott Coleman on Apr 29, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. They’ll score 4 runs on those bastards! :)
by dunnytwogloves on Apr 29, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
I want to see Bobby Cox unleash the anger of 50 Talking Chops unto the umpires and get ejected so magnanimously that it finally wakes the Braves up. I hate seeing other managers do such against the Braves, and for their teams to wake up and respond. Like last year, the Yankees were kind of floating around, and they were reeling after getting shut down by Tommy Hanson in game 1, but then Joe Girardi blows up in game 2, and then the Yankees wake up, take the next two from the Braves and go on to win like 10 straight.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
I kinda think Bobby was trying to do that Tuesday night when they called Pujols safe at 3rd base. You think so too? Bobby kept on going and going and going and dropped the f bomb at least 5 times.
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
by Scott Coleman on Apr 29, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
+492881
"I should have been like, 'Thank you, new guy. Don’t try the veal!'" - Chief Noc-A-Homa (Hohn's offspring)
well
it is the anniversary of the day Jimmy V passed away :(
by BravesRaleigh on Apr 29, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Tonight was a hockey night for me...
That ended very, very poorly…
Between the Caps dropping three straight in the playoffs and being beat in game seven… and the braves losing eight straight… I’m thinking me and sports may need a bit of a break.
Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Colts, Caps, Hoyas, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
BU Hockey: National Champions 1971, 1972, 1978, 1995, 2009
Frank Wren
I think Wren is going to have to make some moves to shake up this ball club. We can’t count on the always injured Chipper, our OF sucks (besides Heyward), Glaus is trash, Escobar hits nothing but ground balls and our SP isn’t as good as it was last year. Im to the point were I wouldn’t mind seeing R. Delgado, C. Betancourt or A. Vizcaino traded for a big bat like Gonzo, because we desperately need a couple.
Sweet post.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Signs of life from the OF??
I know Diaz had 3 K’s, but our OFs were a combined 4 for 11. Not All-Star material, but at least it’s a start.
by tampa bay braves fan on Apr 29, 2010 5:30 AM EDT reply actions
4 for 11 is a .363 BA....
Sounds like All-Star material to me!
On paper….but, I’m not serious.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 29, 2010 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions
So if no the silent treatment made the braves regress
Does that mean for today’s OT everyone should be hyper critical to the point of absurdity?
“WHAT? YOU ONLY CAUGHT THE BALL? YOU SUUUUUUUUXXXXXXXXXXX!”
by DogDaysofSummer on Apr 29, 2010 8:40 AM EDT reply actions
WHY DID I WRITE "NO"
I SSSSSUUUUUUUUUXXXXXXXXXX
by DogDaysofSummer on Apr 29, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I’M DOWN!!! ALTHOUGH I THINK WE MIGHT GO DEAF AND BLIND!
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
I STABBED A GUY IN THE HEART WITH A TRIDENT!
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I just read the recap on the Braves website
And this is what Chipper had to say… “I thought we played well to keep it to 6-0,” Jones said. Seriously? Turning a few doulbe plays doesn’t constitute “playing well”
Lead off walks usually lead to runs, unless they don't. -Joe Simpson
So help me Dorn,
If you EVER tank another ball like you did tonight, I’m gonna cut your nuts off and shove ’em down your throat.
Get serious.
"I should have been like, 'Thank you, new guy. Don’t try the veal!'" - Chief Noc-A-Homa (Hohn's offspring)
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