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The Replacements

 

With all of this rain making life boring, I thought I would take a more in-depth look at our roster. I am going to compare how our current players are doing vs. the people they replaced. Due to length, I am only going to look at position players in this edition. All stats are updated to 4/24/10.

Star-divide

 

First up is Kelly Johnson vs. Martin Prado.

Kelly Johnson- .322 AVG / 7 HR / 11 BB / 12 RBI

Martin Prado- .406 AVG / 1 HR / 9 BB / 4 RBI

I am honestly happy for Kelly. I wasn't his biggest fan, but I'm glad to see things are starting to click for him. Too bad he couldn't do that in a Braves uniform. If he did, though, we would have never gotten to see Prado grow into the solid everyday starter that he has become. On numbers alone, Kelly is having the better year right now, but I expect him to level off. He has been hitting mostly in the 1 or 8 hole for Arizona this year. The reason he has so many RBIs is because people are actually getting on in front of him. His power won't last. He has never hit more than 16 homers in a season, so I expect him to reach around 20-25 this year. Prado is more consistent and plays a bigger role in the offense. If you take him out of the batting order, our offense feels out of place. Kelly could miss some time and their line up would still produce about the same. I don't see Prado having a huge RBI year, but that's not due to his lack productivity. Either way, the braves made the right call on this one.

 

Next up is Casey Kotchman vs. Adam LaRoche vs. Troy Glaus.

Casey Kotchman- .279 AVG / 3 HR / 7 BB / 14 RBI

Adam LaRoche- .278 AVG / 1 HR / 7 BB / 7 RBI

Troy Glaus- .182 AVG / 2 HR / 6 BB / 8 RBI

So...Kotchman has just maxed out his power bar. Honestly, there isn't a huge discrepency in these numbers. Yes the averages are a bit different, but Glaus has crushed some balls that just haven't found holes. Think back to the No Hitter (capatilizing out of respect), Glaus's hit should have broken it up, but Dexter Fowler made the catch of his career. I'm confident he will come around. LaRoche is definitely the surprise to me out of this bunch. Usually his average is much lower at this point in the season, so I'm scared for the posibilities the second half of the season could hold. At least he's on my fantasy team. LaRoche does have Justin Upton hitting in front of him and Mark Reynolds behind him, not too shabby. So far, I think the Braves made the wrong decision in letting LaRoche go, but I don't think he would have produced like this in our lineup. I expect Glaus to prove me wrong. My prediction: Glaus will have a bigger second half then LaRoche.

 

Next up is Ryan Church vs. Jeff Francoeur vs. Jason Heyward.

Ryan Church- .308 AVG / 0 HR / 2 BB / 4 RBI

Jeff Francoeur- .286 AVG / 3 HR / 8 BB / 10 RBI

Jason Heyward- .246 AVG / 4 HR / 11 BB / 16 RBI

This doesn't even seem fair. We all know Heyward is unreplaceable, but Frenchy isn't doing too bad. Granted, this won't last longer than 3 more weeks. I still don't know how he has 8 walks, tripling his career total. There is still one glaring difference between Frenchy and Heyward- CLUTCH. Everytime Jason Heyward has come to the plate in big moments, he has delivered either with a hit or walk. Francoeur would have swung at three straight sliders in the dirt. Also, it's not even fair to put Ryan Church on this list for two reasons. 1. He can't even start for the Pirates. 2. When he does play, they usually bat him 5th... that's never a good idea. Obviously, good choice Braves. Thanks for finally cutting the chord.

 

Next up is Garret Anderson vs. Melky Cabrera.

Garret Anderson- .143 AVG / 1 HR / 0 BB (9 Ks) / 4 RBI

Melky Cabrera- .153 AVG / 0 HR / 8 BB / 2 RBI

This matchup is pretty even statistically, but I will ALWAYS take Melky over Anderson for two reasons. 1. Melky doesn't run like an old man. 2. He walks a much better rate. These two players serve two distinctly different roles for their teams. Melky has been leading off a fair bit and Garret doesn't play much, he usually pinch hits. That makes this even worse for me because Garret is striking out a lot in his few attempts. At least Melky is letting his teammates look at some pitches. In this battle, Melky wins and Garret strikes out. (couldn't resist)

 

Finally, Greg Norton vs. Eric Hinske.

Greg Norton- .145 AVG / 0 HR / 20 BB / 7 RBI (The entire 2009 season)

Eric Hinske- .368 AVG / 0 HR / 2 BB / 6 RBI

By far, the most clear cut battle of the replacement vs. the original player. Eric Hinske has been a blessing and a pleasure to watch. I feel a since of hope when he comes to the plate. I started to get that for Norton in his first AB last year, then he swung. Hinske has already almost surpassed Norton's RBIs and it won't be long before he starts knocking some out of Turner Field. Hands down, Hinske defeats Norton and makes him want to retire and become a coach.

Poll
Who has been the better replacement?
Martin Prado
18 votes
Jason Heyward
46 votes
Troy Glaus
1 votes
Melky Cabrera
1 votes
Eric Hinske
53 votes

119 votes | Poll has closed

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I would let Hinske be the new 1st basemen, and let Glaus become the new Norton.

“Who knows? Maybe he’ll get the swing back.”

And Melky is as just shitty on offense AND defense as I had heard. Horrible player. And he’s hanging out with Yunel all the time. That’s fucking great.

"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
"i’m going to keep stats on you for as long as it humors me….target is unclear" - BMacAttack (noob)
^^^directed at me. lmao. what a queef.

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 26, 2010 1:23 AM EDT reply actions  

What the hell are you talking about regarding Melky’s defense? I think he’s made some pretty good catches this year. His arm is a little questionable, but that’s been the case with all our outfielders so far.

"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."

by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 26, 2010 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t need to post the same negative comments in every thread.

Another uninnocent, elegant fall into the unmagnificent lives of adults...

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 26, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

"Look out Atlanta. He [Jason Heyward] is going to wow you."
-Chipper

by kauf67 on Apr 26, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry

It was 1:30am Monday morning and I was pissed. Not an excuse, but I was angry.

"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
"i’m going to keep stats on you for as long as it humors me….target is unclear" - BMacAttack (Hohn's queef)

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 27, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still stand by this statement?

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on May 3, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm…no reply. That’s odd.

Another uninnocent, elegant fall into the unmagnificent lives of adults...

by Smoltz's Beard on May 4, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quite.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on May 4, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying I wouldn’t want Prado around, but for the 3-4Mish that Kelly was gonna cost, wouldn’t it have been GREAT to have him around to play left, and leave Prado in the lineup as well? Just sayin’. We could use that kind of shot in the arm that he is providing ’Zona with right now.

by J-Freak on Apr 26, 2010 8:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Too bad he couldn’t do that in a Braves uniform. If he did, though, we would have never gotten to see Prado grow into the solid everyday starter that he has become. On numbers alone, Kelly is having the better year right now, but I expect him to level off.

He DID do this in a Brave’s uniform – 2008 – his last full season here in Atlanta. While I agree that I am happy to have Prado in the lineup, I do miss KJ. Prado will always hit for a higher average, but KJ will get on base just as much, and he has more power. That’s why I wanted him to stay.

One more thing: You say that KJ currently has the advantage in numbers, but you expect that to level off – do you expect Prado to not level off? Do you honestly think he is going to hit over .400 for an entire season – or even over .350? Come on, man.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 26, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

It’s a shame we couldn’t have kept both. I shed a tear every time I see Kelly in a Snakes jersey

by eaheckman10 on Apr 26, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kelly wasn’t a consistent hitter, he’s more of a flash in the pan.That’s why I love Prado so much, he is always in on the action. And I DO expect Prado to level off, but to a lesser degree than Kelly. I believe Prado will finish in the .300-.310 range, while Kelly in the .260-.270 range.

by Huntington31 on Apr 26, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, KJ was streaky. Prado has been streaky too – and last year had a slump for nearly as long as KJ and just as bad.

Kelly will finish with a lower AVG than Prado, but a comparable OBP and higher OPS.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 27, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

to say KJ produced for a full season is misleading...

in 07 and 08, his full year numbers are solid. But go month by month, and they are 3-4 great months, a couple bad ones, and a lot of average ones. He was a very streaky player but at the end of the year his numbers came out solid. His numbers also fluctuated depending on whether Bobby had him hitting 1 or 2, or in the lower half (where he was always much more productive).

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 26, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

What makes 3 great months plus 3 bad months worse than 3 average months?

by eaheckman10 on Apr 26, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on how great, how bad, and how "average" I guess...

but if you aren’t carrying to wins like say Chipper or Andruw have in the great months, and are a huge drain in the bad months leaving men on, making costly outs, etc, it’s not hard to imagine you could cause more Ls in the bad months than create Ws in the good months. And I was meaning 3-4 great months over the full 2 seasons, not in a single season. In a 6 month season, we’d be lucky if 1/3 of it was Hot Kelly.

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 26, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's no such thing as "how average."

By definition, it’s either average or it isn’t. There are whole spectrums of above and below average, from marginally to phenomenally, but average is average is average.

by J-Freak on Apr 27, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

And with Kelly....

it’d tend to be the bad months were hitting 1st or 2nd, while the great ones came hitting in the 7 hole. Then again, maybe that spot in the order was a contributing factor to more than just how detrimental it was watching Cold Kelly.

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 26, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t say KJ produced for a full season – I said that in his last full season, he produced. Big difference.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 27, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love Jason Heyward, but Jeff Francouer hit more than Greg Norton. I voted for Heyward, but Hinske is a utility who can actually hit. He replaced an awful utility player, who doomed us whenever he stepped up to the plate. He’d be better off as a bat boy.
My point is that Hinske must be better because of who he replaced, and how awful Norton was. Frenchy wasn’t as awful as Norton.

More magic from 22!

by HereComesBream on Apr 26, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

In terms of impact though,

its hard to vote for a bench player when full-time Frenchy or KJ were hitting so poorly last year. In terms of value, I voted Prado because I think Production(Prado) – Production(KJ) > all the others.

That’s without doing my 20 seconds worth, though.

by soup du jour on Apr 26, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and this is comparing 2009 production from me, if that wasn’t clear.

by soup du jour on Apr 26, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

one not on Johnson, ALL 7 of his homers have come at home in Arizona. On the road he has a .629 OPS

by yondaime4 on Apr 26, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

There’s a nice article on fangraphs that shows that even the homers he is hitting in Zona are not cheapies.

by eaheckman10 on Apr 26, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kelly Johnson infatuation

I don’t understand it. Any educated Braves fan knows he has these month long hot streaks where he’s on an absolute tear. His problem is that he’ll hit in the .200 range for the rest of the season. It’s irrational to compare his stats so far this year to any other full year since Kelly is such a streaky player. I’ll take Prado every day of the week because of his consistency.

"Look out Atlanta. He [Jason Heyward] is going to wow you."
-Chipper

by kauf67 on Apr 26, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I never understood that.

by Huntington31 on Apr 26, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

ur are dismissing Prado’s streakiness as he carries a 400 batting avg…is that not a hot streak that inevitably will be followed by a cold streak which brings his avg to a more reasonable level, presumably 300 (meaning during that stretch he will be hitting 200). this is without mentioning that generally KJ has a better walk rate and more power.

it’s fine to like Prado more than KJ, but at least use some sense or admit you have an irrational preference of Prado. I admit i irrationally prefer KJ, even though in the end they are the same overall result.

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Apr 26, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you're getting at

And yes, Prado is certainly on a hot streak, but my point is that Prado will probably hit over .310 this year and give us consistent production throughout the year (he hit .284 or higher all but one month last season). I suppose it could just be my personal bias towards Martin though.

"Look out Atlanta. He [Jason Heyward] is going to wow you."
-Chipper

by kauf67 on Apr 27, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s what I don’t understand. People criticize KJ for his streakiness, but ignore Prado’s, and even claim that Prado is consistant.

Let me prove this. I will post two stat lines. You tell me which is worse, and which belongs to whom:

Stat line #1: .240 .276 .333 .609 – 46 games, 200 PAs, 4 HR, 5 2B, 30 Ks, 9 BB
Stat line #2: .209 .273 .328 .601 – 52 games, 196 PAs, 2 HR, 13 2B, 30 Ks, 15 BB

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 27, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are both KJ?...

the reason is that for KJ, those runs are common place, for Prado, it was a one time occurence so far.

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 27, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

But a one time occurence in his one season of opportunity…

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 27, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

…in which he was streaky.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 28, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for both KJ and LaRoche, by the way, guys

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO KELLY JOHNSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2010 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

All your base are belong to Kelly Johnson?

http://www.dailygrammar.com/

"I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire. That being said, it is "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln

by Vance in Sacramento on Apr 29, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it helps

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO KELLY JOHNSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vince has had a rough start to the SBN community. lol

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on May 3, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

A) I use Webster’s Dictionary, not the “Urban Dictionary”
B) Whatever cartoon that is, I don’t watch cartoons, so it is of no relevance to me

"I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire. That being said, it is "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln

by Vance in Sacramento on May 4, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nor did I play Sega Genesis

or am I online enough to worry about what was “viral” in 2001…

"I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Beatrice Hall paraphrasing Voltaire. That being said, it is "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln

by Vance in Sacramento on May 4, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

You should probably relax a little bit, and realize that you are the odd guy out in this particular conversation, not DbacksSkins.

He made a joke that 90% of the internet world would get. You are one of the 10%. Don’t start bitching about it or trying to make yourself somehow seem better for not getting the joke.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on May 4, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

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