Halladay Too Much for the Braves
by gondeee on Apr 21, 2010 9:47 PM EDT
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PrintAs expected the Braves offense was shut down by Roy Halladay, who went through the first 11 batters he faced tonight in order. The Braves got some hits after that, but never put enough together to score any runs. Their best chance came in the seventh when the Braves loaded the bases with one out. Yunel Escobar then grounded into a tough-luck double play as the ball ricocheted off the mound right to the Phillies second baseman.
Tim Hudson pitched really well, and on any normal night it would likely have been good enough for the victory, but not when Uncle Roy is on the mound opposite you. There's really not much more to say about the game. Roy Halladay was just his usual self. He made pitching look pretty easy against the Braves. Not much we can do but tip our caps.
As a side note, the Braves bullpen continues its awesomeness. Jonny Venters pitched two brilliant innings in relief of Hudson, and Takashi Saito had a good inning. Hey, I'm just trying to find positives from this game.
The Braves have just 2 runs off opposing starters over the last four games.
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Dave O'Brien and Rick Sutcliffe are morons
the end.
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
I agree
those two guys just would not shut up about Heyward. You would think he was the best thing since sliced bread.
by homerlanding on Apr 21, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
In a battle between JHey and Chuck Norris...
J-Hey would win!!!
More magic from 22!
by HereComesBream on Apr 21, 2010 9:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He is
sliced bread is disgusting unless it has a piece of beef squeezed in the middle!
More magic from 22!
by HereComesBream on Apr 21, 2010 9:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow
I can’t really say if I’m dissapointed or not. Yes, that 7th(?) or whatever where Esco just failed was dissapoining, but it seems that we were flat out overmatched. It happens. Too bad it screwed up my fantasy week and now I’m gonna get hell from my Yankee friends. I’m pretty sure we’ll rebound just fine tomorrow.
Oh and btw, finally getting around to NAHWAL. expect it in about 15 or so.
"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"
Our offense sucked! Our pitching was fine tho.
More magic from 22!
by HereComesBream on Apr 21, 2010 9:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Our pitching was more than fine.
It was GRREEEATTT!
God typed "iddqd" before creating Jason Heyward.
obligatory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDzAaUcoaks
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
I'm of the mindset that we had a bit of a moral victory tonight.
I mean, we were supposed to get shutout. But we weren’t supposed to hold their vaunted offense to 2 runs, and it took everything they had (web gems aplenty) to hold us to a shut out. We hit the ball extremely well given the circumstances, and are one bad hop and a play by Victorino away from either tying or taking the lead. So, yeah we lost. But I think we paint tomorrow and take the series, which is all you can ask for. Especially given that Doc was pitching. GO Braves!
yeah, i’m wondering how many points i’m gonna lose tonight…
"Dum spiro spero"
by Bravely going forward on Apr 21, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I always have one guy who has a bad start. This week it was Porcello. Now I need Lincecum to do the same for any hope this week
"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"
oh, that’s funny. i have porcello too, actually. i have him, tommy, clayton kershaw and david price, along with tim hudson. i know it’s not halladay/lincecum/sabathia, but i really dig my guys.
"Dum spiro spero"
by Bravely going forward on Apr 21, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Just dropped porcello. Picked up Liriano instead. I’m too fed up with one bad start. In an all pitchers league I drafted lincecum, josh Johnson, Tommy, jj, and Soria as the guys to count on and I’m somehow in last in my division
"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"
by GoBravesNY on Apr 21, 2010 11:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tomorrow's game should be interesting...
Derek Lowe brings the offense. I’m feeling an 8-6 like game in the future after this pitch-fest.
+1
Another uninnocent, elegant fall into the unmagnificent lives of adults...
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 21, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanna go to sleep but Anerican Idol isn’t over yet… Snore.
More magic from 22!
by HereComesBream on Apr 21, 2010 9:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Back to Idol: Mary J Blige singing Stairway to Heaven? What the fruit cups?
More magic from 22!
by HereComesBream on Apr 21, 2010 9:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Crystal Bowesox is worth every Adam Lambert that we have to endure.
That girl is pure talent. She is the second coming of Janis Joplin!
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 21, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Man
Man you just have to tip your cap to Halliday,dude was on his game.Hudson didn’t pitch bad,if he pitches like that all year he’ll be alright.We just ran into good pitching tonight that’s all.Don’t blame the bats for this one.
This one was hard to watch, personally. I was really bummed after that seventh inning opportunity evaporated.
However, I liked watching Johnny Venters pitch for the first time; he’s got two scoreless outings already.
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
You talking about Jo-Jo Reyes?
What’s JJTICB?
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
by TonyAlmeyda on Apr 21, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Then yes, you’re correct.
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
by TonyAlmeyda on Apr 21, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m actually a little concerned about Yunel not hustling down the line. It’s become the norm for him to not even attempt to run out most ground balls, and he’s way too important for his head to be in the wrong place.
"Dum spiro spero"
by Bravely going forward on Apr 21, 2010 10:25 PM EDT reply actions
btw, i wasn’t gonna say anything until DOB mentioned after the game that multiple guys in the clubhouse agreed
"Dum spiro spero"
by Bravely going forward on Apr 21, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That was definitely worth getting pissed off over – Glaus busts his ass to beat out the DP against the Rox, and on his game-ending chopper tonight, but Yunel can’t even hustle on an RBI chance?
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 21, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
No sir, I don't like it.
"Dum spiro spero"
by Bravely going forward on Apr 21, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
I havent even thought of Ren and Stimpy in yeeeeears.
Help me! Some bullies threw my shoes over a telephone wire...with me in them!!
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Apr 22, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
You could tell Yunel was upset that Utley made the play, not that i’m making excuses for not hustling. They even showed him after the play pointing to the sky as in "Why God Why? I’m sure he was frustrated as all getout that he put a good swing on the ball only to have it ricochet into Chase’s glove. That may have dampered his hustling spirits.
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
It was more of throwing his hands up in the air
while laughing. If he hustles, it’s a non-issue because he’s on first. You make your own luck, and if he runs that one out, he lucks into an RBI with Utley bobbling the ball and not being able to turn the double play.
by hailtogeorgia on Apr 22, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
i don’t know if it’s quite that bad, i just want to see him give 100% on offense the way he gives 110% in every other aspect of the game
"Dum spiro spero"
by Bravely going forward on Apr 21, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Bobby yanks him out of the game more often than you think. It does nothing to him. He just ignores it and goes back out there and do the same thing he has been doing. Escobar is who he is. Can not change him.
by romone_braves91 on Apr 22, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If I remember correctly, he seemed to learn his lesson last year. Didn’t he go 75 games with just an error or 2, and finish the season at .299 after Bobby sat him for not hustling. Eventually he will get his shit together, maybe because Cox pulls him, maybe because somebody talks to him, maybe because Chipper and McCann call one of their famous closed door meetings. One thing certain, Esco is not a .200 hitter, he’ll work that out.
Heyward is pretty good
you know
i love Yunel sometimes like when he makes those amazing defensive plays. However, he does show a lack of focus a lot of times like not hustling down the line and such and it gets old after awhile and really makes me want to get rid of him.
Of course now because i wrote this he will have an amazing weekend of games
by drumzalicious on Apr 22, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember last year Bobby benched him for just this.
I could tell from what little Bobby did say about the benching that he was fed up with him. I feel Bobby has him on a short leash, and would not be surprised if he puts his a$$ on the bench again this year. He drives Chipper nuts also…..
im beyond benching him
just send him to the minors lol
by drumzalicious on Apr 22, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
It’s something that warrants more than getting a little concerned about, though. This isn’t the first time he’s done something like this, and I’m sure it won’t be the last. At some point, the guy has to mature enough to understand that you hustle down the line in every situation.
What gets to me even more about him not hustling this time, though, is the situation surrounding him not hustling. Down by two runs against the Phillies’ ace, bases loaded with one out in the seventh…this is undoubtedly the best chance you’re going to have to score all night. If you hustle down the line, you give yourself a chance to beat the double play and knock in a run. You keep the inning going and then have men on first and third with two outs and a chance to tie. If you don’t hustle…you have none of this. I realize that Yunel’s a top-tier shortstop, but he’s lazy on the base paths. Do we need to get Cadahia to tell him before every at bat to make sure he runs all the way through first base? This is pony-league kind of stuff.
by hailtogeorgia on Apr 22, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we hit the ball hard, and just missed a couple opportunities.
Call it the homer in me, but we see him a couple more times and I think we score some runs on him.
Completely agree. Seems like everyone got some good swings on the ball tonight. Some bad luck and most of all the Phillies played outstanding defense from start to finish. Lots of good defense by both sides tonight.
by Sir Stealth on Apr 21, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, all things considered I think the game actually went fairly well.
Another uninnocent, elegant fall into the unmagnificent lives of adults...
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 22, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
So this is what it's like...
to see a team lose and their fan NOT bash their team, AVOID profanity, and give CREDIT to a quality opponent to retain their DIGNITY.
Hmmmm…
Wish I could’ve seen it yesterday.
by Wren_and_Stimpy on Apr 21, 2010 10:49 PM EDT reply actions
That’s what we do on Talking Chop.
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
by Scott Coleman on Apr 21, 2010 10:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ok, I've decided I might not be the bad luck guy...
I watched last night’s game, and the Braves had that miraculous come from behind win (after my efforts of pretending to be a Phillies fan to jinx them). I did not get to see tonight’s game, and the Braves lost. :(
Record when I watch: 5-4
Record when I don’t watch: 3-2
Then again, there could be no correlation at all. Sample sizes are still too small, damn’t! :-p
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 21, 2010 11:23 PM EDT reply actions
I said this in the gamethread, but I will repeat it: Roy pitched a great game, they played some fantastic defense, and they got a couple of lucky bounces – and beat us 2-0. I am fine with that.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 21, 2010 11:35 PM EDT reply actions
It will be nice to see us score some runs early in the game tho against the opposing starter. i’m not just talking bout this game of course cuz its not secret Halladay is awesome. i think we’ve faced all-around awesome pitching these first two weeks. hopefully that offense that we all know is there is bout to burst out…
Question
Does anyone else get really annoyed by the “phlyin Hawaiian” as I do. He just gets under my skin with some of his behaviors. Him and “J-Roll” are just the only ones on the phillies I can’t stand. Is it bad I was happy when Jimmy was no longer in the lineup?
by ChipperForManager on Apr 21, 2010 11:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Shane Victorino is the biggest douche I’d love to have on my team
"Batting second and playing shortstop-he's Cuban. Yeah, his name's Pablo...no, eh, Yunel Escobar, sorry"
by GoBravesNY on Apr 21, 2010 11:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I remember in 08 when we had all those injuries. Chipper was out and Victorino collided with Mac. It was awful, he gave him a concussion. I wanted to punch Victorino and ever since then I’ve hated him.
More magic from 22!
by HereComesBream on Apr 22, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i think i know what you mean
"Dum spiro spero"
by Bravely going forward on Apr 21, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Racist IMO
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
~Earl Wilson
by BeantownVol on Apr 22, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
; )
jk
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
~Earl Wilson
by BeantownVol on Apr 22, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Tip of the cap
Halladay was sick again tonight. I, like everyone else here, absolutely hates to see our team lose but sometimes you just run into a guy like that. Friends were shocked when I made the outlandish prediction that I would actually be surprised if Halladay doesn’t win 20 games this year. So far so good for that prediction.
ON THE VERY BRIGHT SIDE, Joe Morgan took a job with the Reds if it hasn’t already been mentioned. Thank god there will be no more of his inept broadcasting.
Semi-interesting observation
I’m in no way saying Ol Roy and Tim Hudson are comparable pitchers, but comparing their career stats makes for an interesting thought exercise.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/Players/H/Roy-Halladay.shtml
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/H/Tim-Hudson.shtml
Although Timmy is two years older, they’ve both pitched in almost the exact same amount of games, they have virtually identical win and loss totals, ERA, IP, strikeouts (Roy’s got a 95K edge), and WHIP.
Roy’s clearly been more dominant the last several years and has been more consistently dominant over the course of his career, but their numbers stack up pretty favorably, even though Roy has a slight, though detectable edge on several of the vitals. It’s not worth a lot, but I am somewhat impressed/amused at the similarity between the two career numbers and it gives me another reason to like Hudson.
Tim Hudson is vastly underrated – even by Braves fans.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 22, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
He was legit back in the early 00s for the A’s, if he had been able to sustain that sort of performance the same way Halladay has (and in Halladay’s case he even improved) then Hudson would definitely be thought of in the same light.
No knock on Hudson, still a great pitcher, but I feel like the fact that he’s underrated is due to the fact that he’s been unable to recreate that level of success. Here’s hoping this is the year.
Another uninnocent, elegant fall into the unmagnificent lives of adults...
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 22, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
He struggled coming to the NL for a bit, and then the injuries got him. I think he has a big year this year though.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 22, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
So I didn't see the game at all
But from what I gather, the game was the following:
-Roy Halladay being Roy Halladay, which is naturally a CG/SHO
-Tim Hudson pitching excellently, but when your opponent is Halladay, there’s little you can really do being down 1-0 and 2-0 all night long
-Jonny Venters with another impressive multi-inning relief appearance
-Saito with another impressive relief appearance
Honestly, yeah, a loss stinks, but can’t say I’m surprised by the result. Losing to one of the best pitchers in baseball is nothing to be ashamed of, and it looks like our own pitching was superb all night long, as well. Just didn’t put any runs on the board.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Yunel didn’t even try to run hard after Utley made a diving stop on his line drive up the middle. I’m kinda surprised Bobby didn’t pull him.
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
by Scott Coleman on Apr 22, 2010 12:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just missed some runs by inches though. Once on a robbed HR that Glaus hit and once on a grounder up the middle that bounced off the mound directly to the 2nd baseman. Frustrating.
+1
don’t want to take anything away from Roy, but they played some impressive D …
"There's a little sound off the bat," Cox said.
Howard had a bunch of slick plays too.
Another uninnocent, elegant fall into the unmagnificent lives of adults...
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 22, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
defensive
Bad announcing or not, games on ESPN mean I can watch a Braves game. Unfortunately, I didn’t get home until the 8th. Even from what I saw, the Phillies played some outstanding defense. You just have to tip your cap to them this time around.
I didn’t see Escobar’s slumber down the line, though. That would have most definitely aggravated me.
by hollerin' brave on Apr 22, 2010 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions
We didn't do too bad
Chipper got on twice Hinske got on and J Hay got the 1st walk out of Halladay in 26 innings and our pitching was pretty Damned good. That long ball just short by Glaus was heartening as well, all in all the only thing really wrong was we lost to,as Smoltz said , “the best pitcher in the game.”
Senator, we have another old saying,"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." Fletcher
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Not too shabby on a night with NBA and NHL games on, not to mention a game that went by quickly with Huddy and Halladay on the mound.
"(Jason Heyward) is like the Grim Reaper -- you know he's going to get you, you just don't know where or when."
It was a fast game, wasn't it?
Was over in time to catch the episode of South Park 201.
Senator, we have another old saying,"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." Fletcher
Halladay is awesome. Tip of the hat to him and the Phillies for some excellent defensive work last night as well. We didn’t catch any breaks but after some of the wins we’ve been getting this year I’m not too disappointed. D-Lowe needs to pitch a solid game tonight and we need to get some runs off of Moyer early. Go Braves!
Is it just me?
I’ll give in to the fact that the Braves have run up against some great pitching performances, but they are one lucky swing from being shutout three times in a row. 3 shutouts in 14 games is something to be concerned over, I don’t care who is pitching. Unlucky bounces, great defensive plays, bla bla bla – all of those are excuses to me. This team is struggling to score runs in almost every game – there are 3 major holes of the 8 regulars. Heyward has 25% of the runs batted in, so what is going to happen to the team’s record as soon as teams stop pitching to him and make others do the cleanup work?
On the bright side, if this team can win 92 games getting shut out every 4th time out, just think how many they’ll win scoring runs consistently. Like i said, I’ll give in to running into a couple buzzsaw pitching performances. But last I checked each of those pitchers have only one shutout and only one is a perennial CY candidate, and it’s not Kyle Kendrick. We’re almost a month in, so before too long we will have to accept what this lineup can bring to the table and right now (and until Yunel gets on track) the Braves have only four capable run producers. I’m still confident they will get on track, but the benefit of the doubt is quickly fading for me. How do others feel? Am I reading into the slow start from so much of the lineup TOO much?
I've been thinking the same thing
The Braves just aren’t scoring on starters right now (when Lowe isn’t pitching), and that does have me a little concerned. If you look at last night, balls were hit hard and just didn’t result in hits. Batting averages on the season are terrible for several players who will eventually bring them to more normal levels. Should really be able to put some wins together when that happens. Until then, if they can remain at or over .500, I’m thrilled.
by Southern IN Chopper on Apr 22, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you’ll find that most people on here will disagree with the majority of what you just said.
Another uninnocent, elegant fall into the unmagnificent lives of adults...
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 22, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand how you feel
It is very early into the season, but the long stretches we’re we can’t get anything at all going are starting to worry me a bit. I’ll take the last minute wins, but we are a hair’s width away being under .500 by a couple games. Not that record matters at all this early into the season. I’m just hoping the rest of our bats start heating up fairly soon.
Fair enough and it’s why I asked others’ opinion. But where am I so far off base. It’s not the #s of shutouts, the percentage of RBIs Heyward to the rest of the team. It’s not that the team scored 25% of its total runs on opening day and it’s not that five players who have had significant playing time are still hitting below .200.
Do you really expect those 5 players to continue hit below .200
that Heyward will continue to factor so much into RBI production, and the Braves will continue to struggle so mightily against starting pitching?
If so…well I don’t know what to tell you. The Braves have had one of the tougher schedule’s so far in the NL so if they come out of this month with around a .500 record, no matter how it is accomplished, it is actually a good thing.
I would be concerned if this continues through May because Atlanta will be facing some…less than stellar opponents most of the month.
by DogDaysofSummer on Apr 22, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I don’t feel like that. “I’m still confident they will get on track, but the benefit of the doubt is quickly fading for me.” I will stop whining until they get into a more manageable portion of their schedule. I guess the majority of my frustration comes from the fact that I know this team is going to contend – so struggling so mightily to hit against these better teams frustrates me -but maybe I should have expected it. I am being a worry-wort, I know. It’s only April.
by CharlotteChop on Apr 22, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
FYF and I'll-Cost-Ya
Per AA:
Jeff Francoeur was bound to regress from his 1.538 OPS heights but who knew it would happen so fast? He’s now 0 for his last 22 and saw just eight pitches in four plate appearances tonight
Jerry Manuel’s new bullpen toy Manny Acosta debuted tonight. He struck out the side in the 6th, then served up a two-run homer to a hot Alfonso Soriano in the 7th.
Sounds about right.
Another uninnocent, elegant fall into the unmagnificent lives of adults...
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 22, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions
And Braves nation moves to the edge of it's seat
And breathes a sigh of relief.
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A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
~Earl Wilson
by BeantownVol on Apr 22, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
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A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
~Earl Wilson
by BeantownVol on Apr 22, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I fail at life.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
~Earl Wilson
by BeantownVol on Apr 22, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
We need Halladay. Too bad we can’t afford him. The Phils must be paying him truckloads of money.
More magic from 22!
by HereComesBream on Apr 22, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
$20 million a year. I am not sure he is worth that much considering he only plays 35-37 games a year.
by romone_braves91 on Apr 22, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Tough loss - especially when were so close to scoring late.
(Yunel would be fined if I were the manager for not hustling down the line)
We still can take the Series with a win tonight – and go on to do the same to the Mutts taking the lead in the NL East with us. :-)
Curve: The loveliest distance between two points. ~ Mae West
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