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Notes From Braves Minor League Camp - 3/14

Today was the first full squad workout for the Braves' Minor Leaguers.

Today was the first full squad workout for the Braves' Minor Leaguers.

Today was my second and, unfortunately, final day at the Braves complex in Orlando and I was once again fortunate enough to spend my time at the most magical place in Florida; no, not Disneyland, the Braves Minor League facility. Today was the first full day of workouts, where every player who will be present in this year's Spring Training, was in uniform and working out. Unfortunately, it wasn't exactly a full workout because the dual road game split squad scenario with the Major League team led to around twenty-five of the Minor League players being taken on the road. Of course, that was fortunate for the guys who got to go and experience Big League Spring Training, most of them for the first time. Like yesterday, I was really just an extended session of BP and PFP, so there's only so much I could glean from things, but I'll share what I saw, and can remember.

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One of the most interesting conversations I had all day was with the Braves' Director of International Scouting, Johnny Almaraz. He was incredibly friendly, as all the Braves front office folks are, and very proud, rightfully so, of the work he and his scouts have been doing at bringing top international talent to the Atlanta organization. Because so many of us here at TC have been curious about him, I asked Almaraz about left handed pitcher Andy Otero, who dominated the Dominican Summer League as a 17 year old last season. Otero wasn't in camp; Almaraz said that he and the rest of the international players who aren't in camp, and are likely to end up with a short season team, will arrive in Orlando April 9th to take part in Extended Spring Training. I asked what type of pitcher Otero is and Almaraz said, "he's a great pitcher" and "he has an unhittable curveball". I guessed that Otero was slight of frame, but Almaraz corrected me, calling him "stout" and adding, "he's going to end up being like Mike Hampton as far as his body goes." I know, I screamed inside my head when I heard him mention Hampton, but what he was really saying is the kid is a pretty solid athlete. So, I think it might be worth getting even more excited about Andy Otero.

The new batting helmets that the Minor Leaguers are now required to wear are ridiculous. I had this strange feeling the whole first day out there that the hitters all looked strange, but I couldn't put my finger on it until I got back to the hotel and looked at my pictures. The helmets are comically huge and they really do make everyone look like a bobble head. Ironically enough, a few of the players told me the helmets are actually a lot more snug than the old ones, maybe even too snug.

I'd never seen the players so split up before. All the infielders were on one field taking grounders, the catchers and outfielders were on another, running their drills at home and in the outfield respectively, and the pitchers were rotating between doing PFP on two different fields and running bunting drills in the cages. It takes a good amount of time to run so many drills with so many players and the Braves were incredibly thorough with each guy, taking balls straight on, to the left and right, and over their heads. One of the intersting things about the PFP was that if the coach hitting to the pitcher was able to get the pitcher to miss the play, the player had to run a lap around the field. What's more, he had to choose another player to run with him, which was a pretty good incentive for all the players to push each other to field well and not make dumb mistakes or lose focus. I'm sure there were other things like this going on, but that was the only one I was made aware of.

Today was the first day of throwing live BP for all the pitchers and everyone I saw looked pretty good. I got a great look at a few of the young foregin players, including lefty Carlos Perez and righty Robinson Lopez. It was very obvious that both of them were working on things, heck, they just got back into the country yesterday, and this was their first time throwing this Spring, but their talent was also very obvious. Anyway, I was able to get this great shot of Lopez:

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Arodys Vizcaino is getting lessons in the Braves' way on and off the field. The Yankees organiztion doesn't exactly pride itself on being fan friendly and I had heard some talk that Vizcaino hadn't had the best relation with the fans so far in his career. What I'd seen of him sort of confirmed this, as he did sign a few things for the handful of folks who actually knew who he was, but didn't seem very happy about it. He's been spending all his time with Julio Teheran and it appears Teheran is taking it upon himself to make Arodys more like a Brave. At the end of the day the guy I'm traveling with asked Teheran to sign a small stack of cards (ok, it was a fairly sizeable stack of cards, my friend is a little nuts with the autographs), Teheran is one of the nicest and fan friendliest players you'd ever want to meet, so he had no problem doing it. But, before he started signing, he hollered at Vizcaino, who was slinking away when he saw my friend start talking to Teheran, to come over. They had a quick conversation in Spanish that amounted to Vizcaino saying, "All those? Crazy", with Teheran's response as "Shut up". Teheran proceeded to spend a good ten minutes slowly signing the cards while Vizcaino watched in silence with dumbstruck amazement. It was an impressive show of leadership on Teheran's part, particularly if you realize that if he's that willing to set a player straight for something as trivial as signing autographs he's going to go to unparalleled lengths to set them straight with on field issues.

I did spend a little bit of time over at the Major League field in the morning and was fortunate enough to meet Mike Minor. He seemed like a nice kid and actually a little bit awestruck of his whole situation. I'm really looking forward to getting a chance to see him pitch at some point in the Minors this year, because I believe he's a lot better than folks are giving him credit for. It was nice to see Tim Hudson spend about fifteen minutes giving an impromptu coaching session to Minor, Mike Dunn, and Erik Cordier. Huddy knows his stuff and has no problem helping anyone smart enough to listen to what he has to say. Fortunately, the Braves constantly go after high quality people and these guys were smart enough to pay attention:

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When I tell people I'm going over to Minor League camp I get a lot of condescending looks and responses, and I always chalk that up to a huge amount of ignorance. Frankly, the Minor League side of the complex is a lot more fun and interesting than the Major League side, and it's not like you can't get some Major League flavor over there. The Braves have several coaches, including Leon Robers, Sixto Lezcano, and Lynn Jones, who had substantial Major League careers, and every now and then you see some special guest come over, such as Hall of Famer and Braves legend Phil Niekro:

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I know he looks old and grumpy in this picture, but Nucksie was actually incredibly nice and was very friendly to the few fans who were back there. The card he signed for me instantly became one of my favorites in my entire collection. I wasn't sure if his nephew Lance was still attempting to pitch with the Braves, so I asked but apparently Lance wasn't asked back and won't be playing this year. Knucksie spent about thirty minutes talking with a large group of pitchers, all of whom were listening with rapt attention, rightfully giving the man the respect he deserves. Not only was the talk edifying, it was just plain neat for the players. As David Hale told me, "I'm going to call my dad right now!"

My Spring Training trip will continue for another nine days, but unfortunately I won't be around the Braves' complex any more. It's all downhill from here, because nobody can come close to beating the Braves. When I get all the way back home and get my pictures straight I'll make up a nice post with a lot of fun stuff.

CB Wilkins is the author of the baseball novel Four-A.

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Awesome pic of Lopez

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by Sid Bream's Moustache on Mar 15, 2010 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

except...

the glasses make him look KRod-ish.

by Mr. Sanchez on Mar 15, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dope

[only built for cuban linx]

by Mighty Healthy on Mar 15, 2010 1:15 AM EDT reply actions  

CB, do you know if Dustin Evans is in camp again this year? I played a year of high school ball with him, and I know he’s been hurt for most of his career. I was wondering if he’d hung up his cleats yet.

To Hell With Georgia!

by tgriffith3 on Mar 15, 2010 1:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, Dut is there and he’s fully healthy. He’s basically missed the last 2 years but before that he was one of the team’s better pitching prospects. Hopefully he can regain the form he had because not only would that be a great thing for the Braves, but for Dut, who is one of my absolute favorites. The guy really is awesome and he has as much fun as any player I’ve ever seen.

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by cbwilk on Mar 15, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Holy mother of...

what a great shot!


he’s going to end up being like Mike Hampton as far as his body goes." I know, I screamed inside my head
Congrats on your self-control. I would have involuntarily screamed out loud.
Thanks for the reports.

by Lizziebeth on Mar 15, 2010 2:10 AM EDT reply actions  

You're the man, CB

Cool to hear about Teheran mentoring Vizcaino a little bit. Maybe they’ll end up with a relationship like Freeman and Heyward.

And sorry to hear about Lance Niekro. Would have been a neat story if he could have made it back to the bigs. Checked out his stats, by the way…not so good. 5.61 ERA over 33 2/3 innings in rookie ball. Sometimes it just doesn’t work out, I guess.

by Weldon on Mar 15, 2010 3:47 AM EDT reply actions  

They had a quick conversation in Spanish that amounted to Vizcaino saying, “All those? Crazy”, with Teheran’s response as “Shut up”. Teheran proceeded to spend a good ten minutes slowly signing the cards while Vizcaino watched in silence with dumbstruck amazement.

Much love to Julio for that. Gotta love it.

Omar Minaya is my hero!
"I'm not even allowed in Mexico."

by mvhsbball on Mar 15, 2010 4:03 AM EDT reply actions  

It was funny because my friend and I had noticed those two were always hanging out, like Freeman and Heyward or Ortegano and Osuna, and he said, “I hope Vizcaino doesn’t ruin Teheran.” Again, not that Vizcaino was outright rude, he did sign stuff when folks asked, but there was a certain feeling about him. But I countered that Teheran might change Vizcaino, and apparently that’s exactly what he’s trying to do. Julio is an incredibly smart guy who has his shit together and it’s great to see him being a mentor to other players, even guys just as old as he is.

I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it: https://www.createspace.com/3407939
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Mar 15, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I must admit to getting a little mini-rush from reading that. More reason to love our top pitching prospect; it’s gonna be fun watching him develop (though as a West Tennessean, I’m completely dependent on your writings for any insight into these guys). Thanks for this cb, keep up the excellent work.

by J-Freak on Mar 15, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just gonna 2nd this response instead of typing my own. Except, replace West Tennessean with Middle Georgian.

"Hey Fat Kid...the monster is right behind you! RUNNNN!!" -The Host

by bwellnjonesco on Mar 15, 2010 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree on that...

and it’s not like Teheran didn’t have most of us excited already, but that story really makes him sound like a future star if he can stay healthy.

by Mr. Sanchez on Mar 15, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Love it.

You know you’ve succeeded in instilling organizational values when a kid as young as Teheran is taking it upon himself to spread the gospel. Hopefully both he and Vizcaino can fulfill their promise.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by pacgnosis on Mar 15, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOVE IT…..got kinda fired up when reading this! very encouraging to read about “a Braves guy” but very cool to “see” it in action!

by RMM on Mar 15, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks CB. Your insights and descriptions are just consistently fantastic.

by fandave on Mar 15, 2010 6:32 AM EDT reply actions  

thanks, CB

This is great stuff. Sorry you won’t be able to hang around longer. And the stuff about Teheran mentoring Vizcaino is very encouraging!

by hollerin' brave on Mar 15, 2010 7:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Phil Niekro and Walter

Separated at birth?

Shouldn't Reid Gorecki get a shot in RF before that Heyward kid everybody talks about?

by Rhyno18 on Mar 15, 2010 8:53 AM EDT reply actions  

just need that puppet to have a Braves uni and hat and more of a turkey neck and I’d say we’d have a winner for the Cox Mascot.

by Sparhawk on Mar 15, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Andy Otero

I’m so glad you asked Johnny about him. He’s an undersized lefty but goes right after hitters. Hampton w/o the injuries was the comp I first thought of as well but I still think he has a ton of growing to do so he could actually get a little taller as well. So Wandy Rodriguez could be a nice comp.

Have any of you guys and gals seen the movie Sugar? Well most of the forgien born players who don’t speak much english have a hard time interacting with fans which could be the case with Vizcaino. I don’t know but I’m so glad that the Braves have a guy with the leadership qualities like a Teheran who takes guys like Vizcaino under his wings and teach players how to interact with fan. Great Job again CB!

Oh and did Salcedo face te pitchers in live BP and if so how did he look?

by Jay212033 on Mar 15, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I've seen it listed scrolling through..

but haven’t stopped to watch yet. Any review of Sugar you can give?

Hampton, without the injuries, was a pretty good P. I’ll take that comp and smile, although I’m a bit upset cb failed to inquire of the other DSL POY from last year, namely Edison Sanchez (teasing, kinda as I just wish cb could post up at Braves camp and provide us with reports for the next 10-15 days as you’d assume with that much time he could cover almost everyone in the system).

by Mr. Sanchez on Mar 15, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sugar

I don’t want to ruin the movie but it’s basically about dominican players and how they adapt to life here in the states. Now if you don’t like movies where you have to read subscript then this movie is not for you lol.

by Jay212033 on Mar 15, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on how much is necessary...

I’ve enjoyed films like Apocalypse and City of God, but in those movies you didn’t have to follow every word to get the idea of what was going on.

by Mr. Sanchez on Mar 15, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Imagine having to watch a Tarantino movie in subtitles.

"Hey Fat Kid...the monster is right behind you! RUNNNN!!" -The Host

by bwellnjonesco on Mar 15, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll send Almaraz and email and ask about Sanchez. I kind of forgot. I’d love to spend more time with the Braves like I used to, but I’m traveling with a friend and we’re all about the autographs and we have way too much fun seeing 7 or 8 teams.

Sugar is outstanding. I was lucky enough to get to see it in a theater and it actually got me to tear up a little toward the end. I wish it was more of a typical story about a foreign player, it gets a little atypical about midway through, but I’m sure it’s a common enough story, and it’s expertly told. If you like that movie you should also see Half Nelson by the same directors.

I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it: https://www.createspace.com/3407939
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Mar 15, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for checking on Sanchez...

I was kidding in a sense that I don’t expect you to ask about all the players anyone around here might be curious about, but if you can find out that’d be super. Hope you have a great time in Florida man, and looking forward to whatever tidbits you can acquire, be they Braves related or not.

by Mr. Sanchez on Mar 15, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure thing. I might wait until I get back but I’ll definitely email Almaraz. He was all about helping me find out about anyone.

I was at Red Sox camp today and all the players who have traditionally been d-bags about autographs and jerks in general pulled 180s and were pretty nice and open. Even Lars Anderson didn’t give anyone shit. Of course, he’s dead to me so I didn’t even bother to get his autograph.

I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it: https://www.createspace.com/3407939
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Mar 15, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think you’re right that Vizcaino doesn’t speak much English, and that could be a factor, but most of the guys who no hablas are more than happy when you give them some attention.

I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it: https://www.createspace.com/3407939
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Mar 15, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm...I don't know about that.

I’ve been to some Charleston games and those mini-Yanks weren’t the nicest pups in the pound. Jesus Montero always looked like he wanted to impale himself when talking to fans.

Who knows, it could just be because they’re shy…

"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner

by Little Lady on Mar 15, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s funny because I saw them in Delmarva that year that Montero was with them and I was worried they were all going to be jerks and that ended up being one of the most fun days I had all year. All the guys were great and really into talking and signing. Who knows, maybe that was just the perfect day.

I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it: https://www.createspace.com/3407939
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Mar 15, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

We all have our days. It’s easy to expect baseball players to be nice and personable with the fans every day, but not necessarily realistic.

"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner

by Little Lady on Mar 15, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice write-up

Keep up the good work!

"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Mar 15, 2010 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Disney World is in Orlando, not Disneyland.

Sorry but major pet peeve of this native Central Floridian.

Great write up though. Very refreshing to see stuff on the the minor league kids.

by blairblink on Mar 15, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Didn’t even realize I’d done that. Huh, never in my life have I made that mistake before. Whatever, Disney was a raging anti-Semite.

I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it: https://www.createspace.com/3407939
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Mar 15, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great job

Teheran just became one of my favorite Braves players.

The third-base umpire ran into the outfield and retrieved the biggest chunk. "It's a f***in' potato."

by alligatorimpersonator on Mar 15, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Bro-hug. Nice job dude!

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Mar 15, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

He seemed like a nice kid and actually a little bit awestruck of his whole situation.

That’s exactly the impression I got of him when I met him last season. He seemed more nervous around me and the other fans than I was around him…which is sayin’ something.

"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner

by Little Lady on Mar 15, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I asked to take his picture and he kind of laughed nervously like he didn’t want to. I told him he didn’t have to but he said it was Ok. I just got the impression he was kind of weirded out by his minute bit of fame.

I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it: https://www.createspace.com/3407939
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Mar 15, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who?

Lopez or Knuckles? They are the only pics I see.

by Mr. Sanchez on Mar 15, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Minor. I have plenty more pictures. These are all I put up for now.

I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it: https://www.createspace.com/3407939
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Mar 15, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny

I like Minor. You can tell that he makes an effort to be nice to the fans, he’s just not comfortable with it yet.

"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner

by Little Lady on Mar 15, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teheran gets a gold star!

And he moves up a notch in my book. Great write up, CB. Rec’d.

"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner

by Little Lady on Mar 15, 2010 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Great job, CB

I’ve been very curious about Otero lately, so it’s good to at least get a sense of his body type. Hopefully he can approach the success that he had in the DSL in the GCL.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by pacgnosis on Mar 15, 2010 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

The unhittable curveball and the fact that he’s apparently a smart pitcher really got me excited.

I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it: https://www.createspace.com/3407939
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Mar 15, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looking through my pics I noticed something I forgot to mention; Gerry Rodriguez and Jake Hanson both worked exclusively in the outfield. Neither took ground balls at their natural positions, first and third respectively. Rodriguez had played some outfield before but as far as I know Hanson has only played third.

I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it: https://www.createspace.com/3407939
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Mar 16, 2010 12:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Hanson's minor league #s were filled with errors...

and Rodriguez seems like one who could slowly and steadily work his way into a big league spot.

by Mr. Sanchez on Mar 16, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was amazing to me how many people were in love with RSF and ignored Gerry. They’re the same age and Gerry was playing one and then two levels higher and playing just as well. He’s a great hitter.

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www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Mar 16, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

That might be pushing it a bit far...

Rodriguez had a strong year, and while it was levels higher, RSF had MUCH better raw numbers. As you can guess, I’m not arguing their potential as prospects, but the RSF love is a bit understandable comparatively. I’m a big fan of GR, but he is kind of a Yankee trash looking like Brave treasure. With that background, he’s kind of going to fly under the radar until he gets a big year (last year was good, but to the common eye that 260-280 avg and sub 850 ops isn’t going to get noticed). Meanwhile Riann Spanjer Fursternburg is a name that catches the eye. The SA background will draw curiosity and he was unreal out the gates with numbers that will bring attention. I can’t find his split, but if I recall right he went about a month hitting 500 and ended up 350 with a 950 ops. I can understand your sentiments on both as prospects, but you’ve got to see just why “many people were in love with RSF and ignored Gerry”.

by Mr. Sanchez on Mar 16, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was so disappointed that RSF didn’t have a South African accent.

I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it: https://www.createspace.com/3407939
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Mar 16, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

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