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I know a lot of us already read CAC (and PJ is a poster here). But I really thought the effort here was nice, analyzing some of Frank's most important moves.

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Great read

CAC is one of the few places I actually read when I’m looking for someone else’s thoughts about the Braves. The ideas are always well thought out and researched…beats the crap out of most blogs out there (I’m looking at you, bleacher report)

The third-base umpire ran into the outfield and retrieved the biggest chunk. "It's a f***in' potato."

by alligatorimpersonator on Mar 14, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

So, in short, 3 positive moves 4 push/wait and see moves, and 9 negative moves.

by Lennox on Mar 14, 2010 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

And we went 86-76 last year.

Omar Minaya is my hero!
"I'm not even allowed in Mexico."

by Scott Coleman on Mar 14, 2010 9:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And that changes nothing.

by Lennox on Mar 15, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice read.

What exactly is true talent level?

by ATLforlife on Mar 14, 2010 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm more critical

Jurrjens was a fluke. But a jackpot nonetheless. Delighted with that.

McLouth I still like a lot despite having a forgettable 09. I like Morton but couldn’t bear watching Schaffer struggle anymore. (I love Schaffer too).

Tex? people argue we couldn’t afford him. But we turn right around and shovel $15m, 8.3m, 11m contracts to 3 average pitchers (average at the time – Javy was outstanding and I loved that deal at the time). Tex is a legit cleanup hitter, switch hitter, .300 – 35HR great D, made Chipper much better. I still say he would have signed if we’d offered a tad more. Suffering through Kotchman was embarrasing. 10HR out of a 1B – laughable. Glauss is a lottery ticket but at least we can hope. With Kotchman, you knew what you were going to get and he still managed to surprise to the downside. I’m sick of having the worst 1B in MLB.

Speaking of… $15m a year for 4 years to 36 year old Lowe who has been pitching in LA for years? Simply unforgivable. I can’t imagine there was another offer that was even in the same stratosphere as that disaster.

Kawakami… $8m for this guy? I’d rather have Medlen! I’d rather have Morton!

Last but not least, the disgraceful caving in to old pal Hudson and shu-ing out the outstanding J Vazquez. Prices were similar. We decided to keep the guy who is:

a. not as good (I’d predict JV to go 220 IP, 3.1 ERA. Hudson to go 185 IP [if he’s lucky] and a 4.0 ERA. Be honest with yourself – that’s a fair assessment.

coming off the most major surgery a pitcher can have. This one could be the old Mike Hampton ghost of Christmas past.

by nathan rothschild on Mar 15, 2010 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Tex? people argue we couldn’t afford him. But we turn right around and shovel $15m, 8.3m, 11m contracts to 3 average pitchers

Tex got 22.5 mil per year…youd have to cut at least two of those pitchers just to sign one player (and then be stuck with a risky 8 year contract). Who are you running to the mound if you have to cut two starting pitchers?

"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"

by Doghnut on Mar 15, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh

and tommy john surgeries have an incredible success rate..its not unreasonable to be concerned, but you shouldnt expect him to not be able to come back from it.

"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"

by Doghnut on Mar 15, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

KK is not $8m...

not close. Try under $7m.

And I’ll bet my house Javy can’t post a sub 3.2 ERA this year.

by Mr. Sanchez on Mar 15, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

The AL and Yankee Stadium will probably make that statement true…but on the other hand, if he were still with the Braves, he just might do it…

"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"

by Doghnut on Mar 15, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

KK is not under $7 MM, try again.

by Lennox on Mar 15, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's actually under 7 million this year.

Last year he was paid 9.667 million (with his signing bonus), and he’s paid 6.667 in each of the next two.

Pinella: Where th f*ck was that pitch at?
Ump: Lou, don't you know that you're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition?
Pinella: Where the f*ck was that pitch at, a$$h*le?

by Stephen Schmidt on Mar 15, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most people would just look at the average value of the deal.

23/3 = 7.667 a year.

by Lennox on Mar 15, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

And they'd be wrong...

we aren’t paying average. if we dealt him, it’d cost the new team under 7 each of the next two years. When Wren is calculating pay roll for this year and next, KK goes in as under 7.

by Mr. Sanchez on Mar 16, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL So we’re just supposed to forget that he made nearly $10 MM last year because he’s making almost $7 MM this year?

by Lennox on Mar 16, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, when talking about how much he is getting paid, yes. When talking about how much he got paid, no.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Mar 16, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you...

how hard is that to understand.

by Mr. Sanchez on Mar 16, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

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