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Bill Ballew: Braves Prospect List Q&A 2010, Part 2

Here is part-2 of the two-part Atlanta Braves prospect Q&A with Baseball America's Bill Ballew. For part-1 click here.

Q:  Which young player package will be better in the long run? Which group would you prefer?
(A) Tyler Flowers, Brent Lillibridge, Jon Gilmore and Santos Rodriguez
(B) Charlie Morton, Gorkys Hernandez, and Jeff Locke
(C) Melky Cabrera, Mike Dunn, and Arodys Vizcaino

A:  Give me the first group, mainly because of Flowers. Lillibridge is a decent role player, but really a 4A guy. Gilmore is not a prospect in my opinion, and Rodriguez throws hard but has not made much progress along the organizational ladder. Flowers is a big-time bat and a likely first baseman who could fill at catcher. The second group is mainly about Morton, who is a decent starter for a non-championship club. Hernandez will hit his ceiling pretty soon, and Locke has not shown enough consistency to be considered a guy to work around. Cabrera is overrated because he was a Yankee, Dunn is decent but not a long-term answer, and Vizcaino is a potential stud but has a long way to go before he reaches the big leagues.

Q:  Despite a safe above-slot pick of Mike Minor, how would you rank the Braves 2009 draft when compared against Braves' drafts of previous years? Did they focus too much on college and JuCo players while abandoning their usual draft sytle of selecting a lot of high school talent?

A:  I believe they fell in love with the juco approach in 2008, when they did very well, and went a little overboard last year. I don't see a lot of impact potential with the 2009 class, which proved to be Roy Clark's last with the Braves. Clark did an amazing job as scouting director and had several of the best draft classes in Atlanta history. Unfortunately, 2009 does not appear to be one of them. I believe he was limited because of the budget as well as some other things that were taking place behind closed doors that contributed to his departure. Mycal Jones and a few others could prove to be interesting, but I don't see this class as being a big-time contributor to the organization's depth.

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Q:  How will the new Braves Director of Scouting, Tony DeMacio, affect the team's draft philosophy and style in the coming years?

A:  I think it will depend in part of what's available, but I would expect there to be some significant changes. The Braves had several scout teams throughout the country under Roy Clark in order to get a better look at potential draft picks but those have been eliminated since Clark's departure. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Braves draft more players from four-year colleges. With the removal of the draft-and-follow process a few years ago, Clark opted for more junior college players over the past two years. Again, this is all conjecture, but I believe DeMacio will have a somewhat different style than Clark, even though they both are disciples of Paul Snyder.

Q:  Does Jo-Jo Reyes still have a future as a major leaguer? Can he bounce back and become a big league starter? Is his future with the Braves, or have they lost confidence in him?

A:  It seems to me that the Braves have lost confidence in Reyes. I know I have. His situation reminds me of Horacio Ramirez, who has bounced around as a fringe big leaguer since leaving the Braves. Yes, there is a dearth of pitching at the major leagues, but part of the reason for that is guys like Reyes and Ramirez who fail to live up to expectations. Suffice it to say that if Reyes is going to contribute long-term with the Braves, he has to get started with a strong spring.

Q:  What is the biggest strength of the Braves minor league system? The biggest weakness?

A:  Without a doubt the strength of the Braves' system is a plethora of left-handed pitchers. I'm suggesting they are all major league pitchers, but Roy Clark used Paul Snyder's tried-and-true approach during his final few drafts of, "when in doubt, take a lefty." The pitching from both a right-handed and left-handed standpoint remains very strong. The weakness is the lack of depth among position players, particularly at shortstop and third base. The latter could prove crucial with Chipper Jones heading toward the finish line.

Many thanks to Bill Ballew for once again giving some great answers to my questions.

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Tyler Flowers or Arodys Vizcaino

If what Ballew is suggesting is correct about Flowers turning out to be a big-time middle of the order bat and Vizcaino maybe never reaching his potential, that trade will amount to a major long term loss for the Braves. However, to me, it seems just as feasible that the exact opposite will ultimately be the case.

by fandave on Feb 9, 2010 8:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't see it as a major lost.

Flowers didn’t have any spot on this team, short term or long term. We turned him around for a season of near Cy Young dominance, an outfielder with atleast a small amount of potential, a power lefty relief arm, and a team’s top pitching prospect. Just a briliiant trade IMO. I have no problem with it working out for the Sox as well.

I’m excited to see Dunn, him and Kimbrel could be special finishing off games.

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by bwellnjonesco on Feb 9, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Flowers didn’t have any spot on this team, short term or long term.

Right, it’s not like this team has been looking for an affordable right handed power hitter to bat in the middle of our lineup for the last few years or anything …

by Lennox on Feb 9, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I meant defensive wise. McCann is obviously gonna be our catcher for along time, barring injury of course. The club made it clear it values Freeman as the long term solution at first by labeling him untouchable in the Peavy talks. Our DH spot is currently occupied by Timerekjaiommyhin Hudowerrjensonami.

So, yeah I was right.

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by bwellnjonesco on Feb 9, 2010 1:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think it’s quite that cut and dry. Personally, I hope to see McCann’s bat force him away from catching here in a few years. It would certainly allow him to be more of an offensive threat, and likely would prolong his career as well.

Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur

A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.

by timmy3 on Feb 9, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wanted a McCann move to first before Salty was traded. I think he could hit 40HRs there, however, the future first base spot is Freeman’s to lose IMO.

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by bwellnjonesco on Feb 9, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t question that. I just know it’s probably in the best interests of Mac to move away from catcher after he grabs 2-3 more Silver Sluggers. Whether it be first or left or whatever.

Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur

A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.

by timmy3 on Feb 9, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Personally...

I don’t think he’d be good enough defensively to play anywhere but C and not be a liability.

by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 9, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he’d be just fine at first base. He’s slow but he’s not unathletic and he has soft hands. Plus, the guy just knows baseball.

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by cbwilk on Feb 9, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is he quick enough for 3rd?...

Cause, well, the future of 1B seems in the hands of Gigantor Harry Potter.

by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 9, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think so. He wouldn’t be Pablo Sandoval over there but it wouldn’t be pretty. I think if they had made him a 3B in the minors Mac could have handled it, but his body has matured differently by now than it would have it that happened.

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by cbwilk on Feb 9, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The club made it clear it values Freeman as the long term solution at first

The club made it clear that they valued Flowers as a prospect. Having a valuable prospect isn’t the same thing as having a certain position set in stone for the next decade. These guys are all prospects, which means that any of them could fail to live up to expectations, be a bust, develop major injury issues, whatever.

If we kept Flowers and he and Freeman both ended up being big bats, do you really think we wouldn’t be able to find a spot in the lineup for two quality bats that are both making the league minimum? Especially when Chipper is in the twilight of his career and we will need to replace him at 3B in the next few years?

by Lennox on Feb 10, 2010 7:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They made it really clear they valued Flowers as a prospect, an expendable prospect. They traded him, that clears up everything.

I should have made myself more clear, no one is guaranteeing Freeman to be a long term solution. However, the club is putting trust in him to be that guy (by not trading him).

If you want to keep Flowers for 75-150 at bats a year, then fine. I think he was more valuable to us as trade bait. I’m not buying the Flowers replacing Chipper at third possibilities.

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by bwellnjonesco on Feb 10, 2010 8:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I should have made myself more clear, no one is guaranteeing Freeman to be a long term solution. However, the club is putting trust in him to be that guy (by not trading him).

The club put trust in him to develop more value as a prospect by not trading him, the fact that his primary position is one where we’ve had trouble filling for years probably helped. None of that equates to Tyler Flowers not having a place to play if he were still with our team.

If you want to keep Flowers for 75-150 at bats a year, then fine

No, I’d like to have him for 600 or so though.

I’m not buying the Flowers replacing Chipper at third possibilities.

I’m sure that 18 years ago a lot of us wouldn’t have bought Ryan Klesko replacing Ron Gant in LF.

by Lennox on Feb 10, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the fact that his primary position is one where we’ve had trouble filling for years probably helped. None of that equates to Tyler Flowers not having a place to play if he were still with our team.

Then why did we move Flowers from mostly first to strictly catcher, after we signed our franchise catcher to a six year contract.

Also, throwing someone in left field is pretty different then putting them at third. Flower’s range at third would be laughable.

But hey, with all the sinkerballers in our system who cares about infield defense?

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by bwellnjonesco on Feb 10, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Then why did we move Flowers from mostly first to strictly catcher, after we signed our franchise catcher to a six year contract.

We moved Flowers from playing first to catcher because he was signed as a catcher, and was playing first because he had a minor injury. It’s also because Catcher is a more valuable position for a prospect .

Also, throwing someone in left field is pretty different then putting them at third. Flower’s range at third would be laughable.

Oh, and you base this on?

But hey, with all the sinkerballers in our system who cares about infield defense?

Clearly not our FO. Chipper Jones is an awful defender at this point in his career, Martin Prado is a weak defensive 2B as well. We’re also converting a 3B to 1B as well this season.

by Lennox on Feb 10, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you not know the difference between third and outfield? Little league teams put the best player at 3rd or short and the worst player in left field for a reason.

Chipper isn’t awful, he’s def. not the same player anymore, but give him alittle credit. Prado isn’t a weak 2nd basemen either. Not great, but NOT weak.

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by bwellnjonesco on Feb 10, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Little League? Seriously?

And Chipper was indeed awful last season, 2nd worst in the game by UZR.

by Lennox on Feb 10, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There’s very little chance that either Flowers or Freeman would be even adequate third basemen. Flowers has never played there and isn’t athletic enough to do so and if the Braves thought Freeman would be able to play there they wouldn’t have moved him off third to first base as soon as they signed him (third basemen are more rare than first basemen).

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by cbwilk on Feb 10, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not even adequate? Isn’t Freeman supposed to be an elite defensive 1B, does he have a noodle arm or something that would preclude him from even being a serviceable 3B?

And surely the fact that we drafted Gilmore the round before Freeman effected where we chose to play him early on (and doubtless that decision has effected where we chose to play him since).

by Lennox on Feb 10, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You understand the physical differences in the range and movements required as far as first and third are concerned right? Also, if you’ve actually seen Freeman, just seen him standing somewhere, it doesn’t take a great baseball mind to see that his body wouldn’t play well at third.

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by cbwilk on Feb 10, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I played both positions in High School, which is obviously different than pro-level play, but I personally never found much difference in the physical demands of either position, outside of the throwing, and the body control when fielding a bunt I found more awkward at 1B. Obviously it’s better to be taller at first base, as it helps you field high throws better and make a stretch.

You still have to field the ball in to the hole (which if you’re RH is easier at 3B, as you don’t have to use the backhand), you still get screamers hit down the line. Sure, there are more right handed hitters so the 3B sees more action fielding the ball, but that’s actually less of an issue in the majors as a disproportionate number of MLB players bat left handed.

Outside of the throwing arm, I really don’t see all that much of a difference between the two physically.

I just don’t think that 3B is that much harder of a position if you’ve got the arm for it, so I find it hard to believe that one of the two wouldn’t be adequate at 3B if needed. Obviously that is something that we’ll probably never find out.

And, like I said, whether either of them will ever develop in to a ML star level hitter is still in question.

by Lennox on Feb 10, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough, all good points. Personally, I don’t see Flowers as being athletic enough to even remain in the field, and I guess I feel like Freeman would do OK at third but maybe be a little bit of a liability, and honestly I just think they’re both too thick to do well at the hot corner, but still, that’s just my opinion and we’ll probably never know.

As far as the last part, very true. But, I think Freeman is a very good bet to be a star level hitter and I think Flowers will be a solid above average regular.

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by cbwilk on Feb 10, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Flowers is similar to Saltalamachia to me....

and I’m sure I spelled Salty’s name wrong. But at the time of both, we could have used a young, slugging 1B. But with both, we kept them almost exclusively at C in the minors instead of seeing how they’d work at 1st. Because of their reluctance to try either Salty or Flowers at 1B, I’d assume the front office considered both more valuable as trade bait than as part of the big league roster.

by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 10, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You missed a ‘c’.

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by cbwilk on Feb 10, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think that comparing Flowers to Salty is accurate, as Flowers has been a much better and consistent hitter than Salty ever was as a prospect. Salty had one great season in the minors, and then had a really bad follow up season, got off to a hot start in ’07 and was quickly called up to be the backup catcher, then dealt while his value was still relatively high.

They traded Flowers as the centerpiece for Javy Vazquez, without really having any other prospects of value in the deal. Javy had to clearly be viewed as a key to getting the team back to the playoffs by the FO. I’m sure the fact that he’s primarily a catcher and that we also had Freeman helped make the decision easier, as well.

So, yes, he was viewed as more valuable as a trade piece, but he was the key to bringing in a very good pitcher. I’m sure that if we could get a Javy Vazquez level player at a position of need, essentially, straight up for Freeman the FO would strongly consider it.

by Lennox on Feb 10, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i dont know why

but for the longest i thought Flowers was a lefty

by drumzalicious on Feb 9, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, pretty much every other hitting prospect we’ve had over the last few years is a left handed hitter, so it’d be easy enough to make that mistake.

by Lennox on Feb 10, 2010 7:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think his argument is more that there’s a big question about Vizcaino because of his age while Flowers has already made it to the Majors. The reality is that Vizcaino is 19 and he has a long way to go, so while he looks like a stud there’s a chance he never makes it to the Majors, whereas Flowers has already made it to the Majors and while he probably needs more AAA time he’s much more likely to make an impact as a Major Leaguer than Vizcaino, at least to this point, if only because he’s already on the cusp. Basically, Ballew elected to take certainty over projection, which is a fair way of assessing things.

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by cbwilk on Feb 9, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Flowers also has more value with the ChiSox than he could have had here, because of the DH. It’s really an unfair advantage for AL teams, because they can take a guy like that who is just a slugging OPS machine and play him anywhere. Flowers is a future middle-of-the-order bat and the White Sox best prospect. Flowers is just a better prospect at this point, especially for the White Sox, where even if he can’t stick at catcher or first he can still be in the lineup every day. Flowers has a career .295/.406/.495 – .902 line in the minors, and is still one of the more under-rated hitters in the minors, IMO.

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by timmy3 on Feb 9, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, very underrated, probably because of what you pointed out, that he can’t play defense as well. He’s a very fun hitter to watch and while I’m hoping he makes the Sox out of ST, I’m kind of selfishly hoping he doesn’t because I think the first series of the year here in Norfolk is against their AAA team.

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by cbwilk on Feb 9, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I hope Flowers has a great career. Here and there I hear people say things like that they hope he’s a bust so that we don’t regret that trade or whatever, but I think that’s a pile of crap. I hope he brutalizes the AL pitching.

Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur

A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.

by timmy3 on Feb 9, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To clarify, I’m by no means rooting against Flowers.

And your earlier point that he is more of an AL player and wasn’t so valuable to the Braves given the defensive shortcoming is spot on.

BTW, although I make no claim of expertise, it was an obviously excellent short-term trade and greatly helped the Braves last season; mid-term – say, this coming season and 2011 – I believe it should be a push or a marginally plus trade for the Braves; and in the longer term, whether Flowers or Vizcaino will have greater ML impact is simply unknowable, but I personally like the odds that it ultimately should come out in the Braves’ favor.

by fandave on Feb 9, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn’t really directing that at anyone in particular.

Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur

A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.

by timmy3 on Feb 9, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just as feasible?

Not to say that Arodys won’t be awesome, but he’s pitched 6 starts at rookie ball 2 years ago, and had 10 starts in short season A ball last year. It’s really hard to even have a good idea of what you’ve got in a pitching prospect at that level until you see how his arm responds to pitching serious innings, and how he handles hitters at higher levels. He’s a long way away, which makes it hard to get anything close to a reliable projection of him at this stage.

Flowers is 23 and has played at every level, he’s the much safer bet to be, at least, a decent ML player at the moment, and has the potential to be a very good hitter.

by Lennox on Feb 9, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My point is both are basically still prospects with high ceilings. Both or neither could conceivably end up being All Star level, high impact players. “Decent” isn’t the target.

by fandave on Feb 9, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

surely you don’t think Arodys and Flowers are comparable….Flowers ceiling is comparable to Arodys…impact bat vs #1/#2 SP (possibly closer, depending on what happens with his changeup)…and Flowers floor is now drastically lower bc he has progressed so much further in his development…right now we know Flowers is probably at least a replacement player and he’s a C, so there’s value in that alone…he could spend the next 10 years as a backup C and still create value…

It crazy to say FLowers isnt a better bet right now than Arodys, and considering their ceilings are that far apart…rating Arodys as higher, or even the same, is nonsense. (IMHO)

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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Feb 9, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We are simply not communicating. I on the subject of apples and you’re discussing oranges.

by fandave on Feb 9, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well if your arguing oranges, you sir are an incompetent

/sarcasm

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Feb 9, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and incompetent nonsense is the worst kind too!

by fandave on Feb 9, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course, if I was going to rank them on a prospect list, I’d but Vizcaino ahead of Flowers.

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by cbwilk on Feb 9, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that seems like a shock to me, pray tell why?

do you really think their ceilings are that far apart.?

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Feb 9, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, yeah. The word on Vizcaino is that he can be a number 1 or 2 starter. Flowers is going to be a DH, which limits him severely. As big and powerful as he is, I don’t really see him as a 40 home run guy, more in the 30 to 35 range, which doesn’t sound like that much of a difference, but it is. So, at the end of the day, he’s likely to be a run of the mill slugger, definitely something valuable that everyone desperately needs (just look at the Braves’ recent history without one), and he won’t add any value on defense. A top of the rotation starter is just more rare than a slugger; there are lots of guys who step in for a few years and hit some homers, but there aren’t that many than can be considered aces, or near aces, which is more than being just the best pitcher on your team, it’s being one of the best around.

If Flowers could stick as a catcher he’d be more valuable, even if he could stick as a first baseman, but I just don’t see it happening. But the biggest issue is their ages. When I’m pitting one prospect against another I’m looking at a combination of what they’ve accomplished and what I think they can accomplish and age plays a big part because of the projection involved. Flowers will be 24 this season, which means he’s just about done developing. You know what you’ve got, which is nice, but since Vizcaino is only going to be 19 his potential to breakout is huge. His potential to fail is huge too, but I like to be optimistic rather than safe.

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by cbwilk on Feb 9, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Flowers probably could be a catcher or 1B though. He wasn’t going to be a catcher for us, and his defense isn’t that great, but he ended up on a team that actually needs a DH this year, but doesn’t really need a catcher or 1B.

Mike Piazza wasn’t exactly a good defensive catcher either, but because he play the position AND was a great offensive player, he was extremely valuable. But we’ll see if Flowers ever gets used at catcher. He might end up making the permanent move out of the position.

by Bronn on Feb 9, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You know, I’d love to see some of these advanced defensive metrics go back and evaluate Piazza over his career, cause it was always my feeling that he gave up as many runs as he drove in. Just look at a team like the Braves, who rarely steal; every time they faced Piazza it was off to the races. My guess is he really wasn’t as valuable as we’d all likely think he was.

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by cbwilk on Feb 9, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

in Piazza’s defense his CS% was league avg the first 6-7 years of his career…and his career CS% of 23 is only slightly below league avg…im working off baseballamerica’s assumption that 25% is league avg….

so theres really no reason to believe he wasnt at least adequate behind the plate…I realize there are other things to catching, (i.e. receiving, calling a game, and what-have-you)

I always thought he wasnt a defensive liability until he got to the Mets (coincidence, i think not)

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Feb 10, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He gave up 1400 SBs in his career, while throwing out 423.

For comparisson:

Bengie Molina – 601/286
Johnny Bench – 610/469 (WOW)
Jorge Posada – 912/373
Pudge Rodriguez – 732/626 (WOW)
Javy Lopez – 798/309

Those are just some names of guys that I knew have been catching for a while. It is obvious that teams ran on Piazza WAY more than any of these other guys.

Also, FWIW, B-A.com, the league average for CS% is 31%.

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by justincredubil02 on Feb 10, 2010 5:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

See, that right there is a great stat, mainly because it proves what I thought, that people ran on Piazza more. So catching the same percentage of guys isn’t really the same if everyone is running on you twice as much.

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by cbwilk on Feb 10, 2010 7:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

first off outside of Javy you picked 4 of the best defensive C in recent memory…no one is gonna run on those guys….show me what a league avg defensive C did for their career…I already know more people ran on Piazza than on Pudge

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Feb 10, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also a good point. Do it justin or swo and I will be forced to ridicule you.

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by cbwilk on Feb 10, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am having trouble finding a list of all-time leaders in CS%…can anyone help with this quest?

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

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