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The Myth of "No Discernible Improvement"

Over at CNNSI, Jon Heyman has posted his latest curmudgeonly screed.  It's basically a rant about teams being too cheap (no wonder people think this guy is a bit too cozy with Scott Boras).  One of the teams he mentions is the Braves.  He states that due to Frank Wren being "remarkably cheap," there was "no discernible improvement" in our roster.

Now, I think it's pretty hard to argue that Wren was "remarkably" cheap, but my real problem is with the "no discernible improvement" crack.  I've seen this meme in many national columns.  It's understandable on one level, since the players we've acquired, by and large, are not exciting, and we gave up Javy Vazquez (of course, there was approximately a 0% chance Javy would equal last year's production anyway).  But if you spend just a few minutes examining our stats from last year and comparing them to reasonable projections for the players we will have this year, it becomes clear that the 2010 Braves are--on paper, anyway--at least somewhat improved from last year.

Star-divide

Let me count the ways:

1) The outfield.  I don't think outside observers realize just how awful our outfield was last year.  Think of this: All 3 members of our starting outfield at the beginning of last year (Anderson, Schafer, Francoeur) played at below replacement level last year.  In other words, we could have picked up 3 random bench players / minor leaguers and gotten better production.  Check out their combined line: 1053 PAs, .251/.298/.366 (AVG/OBP/SLG), 20 HRs, -11.4 UZR, -1.8 WAR (Wins Above Replacement, via FanGraphs).  

About the only good thing you can say about that line is that it's not Greg Norton's (more on him in a sec).  This year, we'll start the year with McLouth, so he replaces Schafer's ~200 PAs.  The rest will be divvied up among Cabrera, Heyward, Hinske, and possibly Schafer (but presumably only if he shows he can do better than last year).  Unless something really wacky happens, replacing those 1000 or so horrid PAs should be good for at least 4 more wins by itself, because even if Melky stinks and Heyward's not ready for prime time, they'll still be better than replacement level.  (McLouth will obviously far outdistance Schafer's numbers.)  There's a good chance of a 6-8 win improvement if someone has a breakout year.

2) Greg Norton has been put out to pasture.  Not to be mean, but man was he bad last year.  He slugged less than .200!  How do you even do that?  On the plus side, he walked 8 more times in 97 PAs than Frenchy did in 324 PAs.  But still, he managed to cost us almost a win (-0.9 WAR) in less than 100 PAs.  Replacing his at-bats with Hinske (or anyone else, really) will at least get us back to replacement level, and probably a bit better.  Add another 1-2 wins.

3) Improvements from holdovers.  McCann and Escobar are just entering their primes and could break out.  Plus, McCann's eyes should be fixed now.  Chipper and Lowe are good bets to bounce back at least somewhat.  Hanson and Prado will start all year.  Add in the fact that no holdover is an obvious bet for major regression (like Vazquez would have been), and it seems likely that we'll improve even in the areas where we "stay the same."  We could easily see a 4 WAR improvement (or more) from this group, but let's be conservative and say +1 WAR.

Compare that to the 2 likely areas of decline:

1) The Vazquez to Hudson drop-off.  Hudson's good--he could easily be better than Vazquez this year--but he's not going to match Javy's 2009.  Seems like a good bet for around -3 WAR compared to last year.

2) The bullpen.  I don't know that there's ever been a fool-proof bullpen, but this certainly isn't it.  There's a decent chance Wagner and Saito match Soriano and Gonzalez' production and everybody else fills in ably.  There's also a decent chance that a few guys blow out their arms from overuse and we see Craig Kimbrel closing in August.  Still, the bullpen is the easiest piece to fix midyear via trades or promotions.  I think it'll end up being OK.  Let's be pessimistic, though, and say that this costs us another -1 WAR or so (the bullpen totaled 5.2 WAR last year, so that's a relatively big drop-off).

This is far from a thorough analysis (maybe I'll break it down further in future posts), but even on the conservative side, we're looking at a very likely 6 win improvement versus a possible 4 win downgrade.  That's a total of +2 wins, and it could easily be a much bigger improvement than that.

  

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As currently constructed, how do the 2010 Braves compare to the 2009 Braves?
Much improved
30 votes
Slightly improved
74 votes
The same
7 votes
Slightly worse
6 votes
Much worse
0 votes

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Fuck Heyman

Sorry we don’t have $150 million dollars to
give to a free agent. Sorry we actually have a budget and can’t spend freely like others do.

Go make up some more rumors with your buddy Scott Bora$.

Remember folks, I'm almost always wrong.
My sig was too long...

by mvhsbball on Feb 4, 2010 12:01 AM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

No kidding...

payroll last year was around 90mil, payroll this year is around 90mil. OH NO, he’s spending the same amount of money, what a cheap wad.

by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 4, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, what the hell? Wren is setting payroll now? WREN OWNS LIBERTY MEDIA!!!!!

You heard it here first. Heyman always breaks the news first. What a fantastic writer.

by bbxxj on Feb 4, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No Obvious Regression Candidate

I’m a little worried about JJ on the regression front. I have a hard time seeing him maintain his mindblowing 09 levels. I’m not saying he’s going to suddenly start sucking or anything, just that another 2.60 ERA is probably not going to happen

by sexbobomb on Feb 4, 2010 12:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

that's fair

but he still should be really good.

by Andy Braves Fan on Feb 4, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Regression, though a possibility, isn’t obvious with JJ…

Pujols is NOT God.... sure he'll hit .350, hit 50 bombs, and drive in a 125....but then again...so will Heyward..

by lemke2blauser2bream on Feb 4, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

And even if he does regress, it won’t be disastrous.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by pacgnosis on Feb 4, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I take your conservatives and raise you a couple

Improvements category (3). Chipper had a horrible second half. His May 1st BA was .306. June 1st: .316. July 1st: .292. Aug 1: .292. Sept 1: .276. Oct. 1: .267 (finishing at .264). Horrible by his standards (.307 career). Anything in the .310 range would be huge with Glaus and McCann behind him. Even if he doesn’t stay healthy, an average Chipper season should be worth 3 more wins without trying hard… one extra per month is certainly reasonable.

Declines category 1: Lowe had a downer year. If either he or Huddy has a bounce-back year, then we at least match the wins that JV took to NY. And heck, we all know that JV should have had 20 wins, except for bullpen issues. With that, I would argue for at least a push from last year… and quite reasonably, an improvement since the offense should support the pitching better.

Dare I ask for a 10 win improvement?? Well, for that, a lot of things would have to go right, but the pieces would seem to be there. It would take 92-95 wins to derail the Phils, but if the bullpen holds together, I have no issues with offense, defense, or pitching.

by carpengui on Feb 4, 2010 1:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Way off topic...

is your picture a blood parrot cichlid?

"Sometimes I wonder what'd it be like to be outside and not hear the birds chirping...I think it'd be kind of nice."

by alligatorimpersonator on Feb 4, 2010 2:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh man I can't remember

That could be it. It was at the GA aquarium. I mostly like the pic because it looks like the fish is supremely pissed off. Not sure if that comes through in that tiny version.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by pacgnosis on Feb 4, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha i see it looks pissed

I have a blood parrot cichlid, and it looks just like that except with a huge smile

"Sometimes I wonder what'd it be like to be outside and not hear the birds chirping...I think it'd be kind of nice."

by alligatorimpersonator on Feb 5, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we are slightly worse. Unless you are a fortune teller there is no way you can say %100 Javy wasn’t going to dominate gain. It’s not like a lot of people predicted how great he was gonna pitch before ’09. But I have always loved Huddy since watching him as a rookie in nearby Oakland & an excited to see him back again.

by FitzFan on Feb 4, 2010 2:13 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Can you elaborate on how the team as a whole is slightly worse than last year? I am VERY interested in seeing some logic behind that madness.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Feb 4, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sure his first reason is because we have Melky Cabrera…

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by cbwilk on Feb 4, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yea I’d totally rather have Greg Norton over Melky.

by BravesRaleigh on Feb 4, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno…while we are far and away better than we were at the beginning of last year (which is indeed the point of the post), I think its much more debatable whether we’re better than the second half team, which I am of the opinion that we are not.

by soup du jour on Feb 4, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we dont need to be better than the team that finished the season…by outperforming the first half we only need to continue that level to be in the same spot as we finished last year (hopefully u follow)….we were 39-42 in the first half and then finsihed 47-35 in the second half (which includes a complete collapse as our playoff run ended)

so we are certainly better than we are in the first half lets predict we go 43-38…i think that is pretty reasonable considering how bad we were in the first half with Schafer, FYF, and FUGA. now if we maintain that we finished at the same record…now obviously the same record 86-76 doesn’t put us in the playoffs, but I think its nearly impossible to say we are worse now than we were last year…you can say we aren’t better, bc our team in the second half was really really good. but on the same hand our team in the first half was pretty bad and its pretty impressive we were near 500.

think about what we dealt with in the first half, the aforementioned OFers, Hanson starting in June, McCann’s prolong absence from the lineup with eye problems, Casey Kotchman at 1B, KJ had some serious issues. Presumably our team will not have to deal with these things…Glaus even at his worst > Kotchman, our OF is markedly improved, McCann can see, the only real issue for me is the Prado over KJ (i think they are very similar players and the same thing that happened to KJ could happen to Prado…Justin you’re not allowed to say anything, that said Prado was the right choice bc of price)

if we were to replicate our second half performance we would be a 94 win team, which i dont think we are…we could be if everything turns out perfectly. but just bc we arent as good as our second half doesnt mean the 2010 version of the Braves is not better than the 2009 version

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Feb 4, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I <3 you

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Feb 4, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

XOXO

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Feb 5, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we dont need to be better than the team that finished the season…by outperforming the first half we only need to continue that level to be in the same spot as we finished last year (hopefully u follow)….we were 39-42 in the first half and then finsihed 47-35 in the second half (which includes a complete collapse as our playoff run ended)

I indeed follow, but I disagree that we don’t need to be better than the team as a whole last year.

<Good stuff here./blockquote>

No disagreement on all of this.

if we were to replicate our second half performance we would be a 94 win team, which i dont think we are…we could be if everything turns out perfectly. but just bc we arent as good as our second half doesnt mean the 2010 version of the Braves is not better than the 2009 version

While all true, I would consider an 86 win season a failure, or at least below expectations (assuming 86 wins isn’t good enough to get to the playoffs). The way we finished last year and the construction of this years team I have high hopes for the season. I wasn’t wowed by the offseason, but as information trickles out we really just didn’t have the money…so it seems he did the best he could. I have complaints about some things, but nothing serious enough to deter my playoffs or bust mentality.

Now, I may have to change my expectations and goals during the season due to unforseen circumstances (injuries, terrible start, a really strong wild card team), but as it stands right now I have expectations of a playoff finish. To expect anything less isn’t asking enough from the team, IMO.

by soup du jour on Feb 4, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

D'oh.

I think its legible, so I’m not gonna repost it.

by soup du jour on Feb 4, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i got what ur saying…and i dont disagree….that said I dont think 86 wins would be a failure…i would be happier with 88-90, but 86 is pretty much what we should win…so I can’t be too dissappointed…Im being fairly conservative with my predictions on Prado, Heyward, LF, and Glaus. I think our rotation will be slightly worse than last year (not dramatically) and our offense will be better…and our bullpen should be better, especially deeper.

all that said… i dont see us being 2-4 wins better unless a lot of things go well for us…which is a possibility.

in sum…im pessimistic about our chances, in order to not be dissapointed…but i feel like with solid health and improvements from our younger guys…we could have a great season.

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Feb 5, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well put

I agree… If the truth is that the team is somewhere between the two halves, then let’s split the difference b/w 94 and 86. 90 wins seems like a reasonable goal. Obviously, we need some luck on the health front, but for the most part every team but the yankees needs that in order to win 90. I think there’s a very good chance we win 88+.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by pacgnosis on Feb 4, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think I’m with you, or at least close. I think this year’s team is slightly worse than our second half team, just slightly, but significantly better than our first half team. So as a whole, our team is better.

by MatM on Feb 5, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

FW predicted Javy’s ’09….

Pujols is NOT God.... sure he'll hit .350, hit 50 bombs, and drive in a 125....but then again...so will Heyward..

by lemke2blauser2bream on Feb 4, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So did many of us around here.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Feb 4, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

damn….i didn’t….

Pujols is NOT God.... sure he'll hit .350, hit 50 bombs, and drive in a 125....but then again...so will Heyward..

by lemke2blauser2bream on Feb 4, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently, people think there isn’t a difference in being “Remarkably Cheap” and “FREAKING SMART WITH YOUR MONEY”

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Feb 4, 2010 9:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well, he didn't give Johnny Damon $8 mil a year...

Or sign someone like Brandon freaking Lyon for 3/$15 mil, so… obviously… cheapskate.

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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Feb 4, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This year, we’ll start the year with McLouth, so he replaces Schafer’s ~200 PAs. The rest will be divvied up among Cabrera, Heyward, Hinske, and possibly Schafer (but presumably only if he shows he can do better than last year).

So uh are you predicting Diaz gets injured in spring training and misses the entire year?

The 2010 Braves look to be significantly better than the pre-trade deadline 2009 Braves but likely somewhat worse than the post-trade deadline 2009 Braves. IMO.

by redwards95 on Feb 4, 2010 10:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nope

Just didn’t mention Matt b/c A) he didn’t suck and B) he should do about the same thing he did last year. He’s not replacing anyone but his own awesome self.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by pacgnosis on Feb 4, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Team is stronger 1-25...

Hinkske better than Norton.

Glaus (for what we need, RH power bat) has been historically better at that than LaRoche or Ken Oberkfell (Kotch).

Prads way better and more consistent than Kelly.

Esco is a year older and more mature.

McCann’s eyes will be good from the jump. And we still have the best backup in the NL.

Chipper shouldn’t do worse. Maybe he should only plan to play 120.

McClouth v Shafer…i don’t need to elaborate.

Heyward v all the rest…hoping this is OK…don’t have evidence to say it will, just know that I am optimistic.

Diaz (FT) v Loaf/Diaz….at least a wash here….

Bench: Hinske, Infante, Melky, Ross, (Brooks?)….probably a bit better, definitely, runs a little better.

Staff:

Hanson (year 1)/JoJo v Hanson year 2….

Jurrjens v Jurrjens…possibly could be a slight dropoff here, luckily the pen looks ironclad…i hope JJ is that good, and he pitches to contact that well…but if not…

Huddy v Vazquez….nobody was repeating that year Vazquez had….

KK year 1 v KK year 2….i expect relatively the same overall numbers, maybe without the very highs and very lows.

D Lowe v D Lowe….if you take out D Lowe’s worst 5 starts, he has an ERA in the low 3s…and I expect relatively the same from him…

—It would be tough to top the starting pitching from last year by the #s….but I am going to throw out the fact that an improved offense and bullpen will pick up any slack…and I am going to award points for continuity…we really didn’t turn over anybody even with JV leaving.

Pen…

Soriano v Wags…one is damn near the most dominant in the 90s, the other is injury prone, and has a shaky makeup from July on…i loved Soriano’s free and easy delivery, but I will take the makeup of a career HOFer and ride with it…

Saito v Gonzo….Saito is fine with the role whereas it appeared that Gonzo wasn’t happy with the setup role. Even though he overcame his early transition probs Gonzo still wanted to close, and now he can (every 9th day with the O’s)

Moylan in 7th v Moylan in 8th…same guy, same crazy delivery, maybe less stress on the arm, maybe going 65-70 times next year…i see this as a bonus.

Medlen….should improve

Chavez, O Flat…are what they are…both throw hard…happy to have them.

Not sure who I am missing, this was done off top of my head….but as you can see, if you view the glass as half full…there is plenty to be optimistic about.

by flyers13 on Feb 4, 2010 10:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You never know...

until the games are played. But I like our chances to give the starters better run support than they got in "09. The outfield should be a lot better offensively without GA and Francoeur. Middle of the order, Chipper, Glaus, McCann, Escobar looks pretty good to me. I really like what I’ve heard from Glaus, that he’s been “post surgery restrictions” since August. Chipper can easily improve over ‘09 output, and McCann’s eyes should not be the issue they were last year. If Prado and McLouth set the table like they are capable of doing, plus the bench improvements, the Braves can have a solid team this year.

by bighop on Feb 4, 2010 11:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's what it is...a team...

A nice complement of players where we don’t appear to have to be overreliant on any one aspect of the game, or one player. If anything we are going to rely less and less on Chipper from here on out. What we get from him will be the gravy.

by flyers13 on Feb 4, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

team

And that’s the beauty of Wren’s one year contracts. KK and Lowe were neccesary evils this time last year. I won’t be surprized if they have good years this season, KK got zero run support last year and Lowe had mechanical issues that he say’s are worked out. But our top minor leaguers are not getting pinched out by multi-year contracts. The Braves will get real young, real soon, and I think they may be real good too.

by bighop on Feb 4, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good points all

However, we probably will see some regression in the bullpen regardless. Even if we had brought back all of our bullpen from last year, we did enjoy a remarkable run of good health on all our arms. Plus, we had three guys who were all closer-quality last year. This resulted in having one of the best bullpens in the league. We probably can’t count on everyone staying healthy out there again, especially since we got older at the back end. I wouldn’t be surprised if this costs between 1 and 2 WAR.

Still, I agree with your assessment of the outfield. I mean, if you look at Bill James’ projections for Heyward, he could be worth 3.5 WAR by himself if he’s only average on defense. That’s practically a 4 WAR upgrade in right field alone-though Bill James’ numbers look very much best-case. Then there’s McLouth-even the most conservative projections have him improving on what he did in a Braves’ uniform last year. And if we gave all of FUGA’s playing time to Melky Cabrera in LF, which is probably the worst available option, we’re getting another 2.5 WAR at least from him.

All told, our entire OF last year (I’m not counting Infante’s 18 games played in the OF) was worth 2.5 WAR. Even if we end up giving some time to Blanco or Schafer at below-replacement production, McLouth should overcome that barrier by himself. Unless there’s an injury or two (knock on wood) I think we can easily predict a 6 win improvement from the outfield, and it could be significantly more.

by Bronn on Feb 4, 2010 2:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree. In a lot of ways, it’s amazing that we won 86 last year with the initial OF. Wren has done a phenomenal job of upgrading there.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by pacgnosis on Feb 5, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and as for the bullpen...

It’s possible that we regress by a bit more than the 1 WAR I went with, but one thing that I realized when I looked at the #s is that the back end of our bullpen sucked something fierce last year, somewhat hiding the excellence of the top 4 guys (Soriano, Gonzo, Moylan, and O’Flaherty). Buddy Carlyle was good for -0.5 WAR by himself, and several other guys were in negative figures as well. While the top guys likely won’t be quite as good, the back end should be better in 2010.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by pacgnosis on Feb 5, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The top 4 are typically referred to as the “back end”, FTR.

And yes, I agree completely. I think, at worst, we moved laterally in the BP regarding setup men and closers, and I think we vastly improved over the rest of the BP – one of the main reasons (and an underrated one) that I think this team is so much better than last year – not to mention the positive value of our bench now, vs last year.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Feb 5, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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