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We don’t even know if Damon is going to accept the offer. Especially if he wants 2 years.
by dunnytwogloves on Feb 10, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t sign this letter, sorry. Yes Johnny Damon benefited from playing in a small ballpark in Yankee stadium but he brings more go the table other then decent speed at the top of the batting order but also great leadership skills. I think adding JD to the club house will bring some sort of excitement and looseness to the club house.
Johnny Damon
Nate Mclouth
Chipper
Troy Glaus
Brian McCann
Yunel Escobar
Jason Heyward
martin Prado
it doesn’t get better then this
by AlRoBraves95 on Feb 10, 2010 9:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd prefer
(without Heyward)
Damon
Prado
Chipper
Glaus
BMac
Escobar/McLouth
McLouth/Escobar
Diaz
(and with Heyward)
Damon/Diaz
Prado
Chipper
Glaus
BMac
Escobar/McLouth
McLouth/Escobar
Heyward
Remember folks, I'm almost always wrong.
My sig was too long...
by Scott Coleman on Feb 10, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'd prefer...
….Diaz not playing right field. The pitchers will appreciate it.
we could fix that
and let Heyward start the season in RF. MattyD would just fill in all over the place and be a star pinch-hitter.
"Jason Heyward is more than the top prospect in baseball. He's the player who could transform the Braves from a modest threat into a World Series contender."
by Scott Coleman on Feb 10, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
That would be okay, except...
…Diaz can only really fill in in left field and would be a bit overkill as a pinch-hitter. If we could afford it, however, letting Diaz fill the Norton role would be a huge upgrade over Norton. It would help if we could teach Diaz to play first, but then again, at that point, he would be duplicative of Hinske.
you know
what about
Damon LF
Diaz RF
Chip
Glaus
Big Mac
Esco
Lil Mac
Prado
thats if heyward doesnt break camp
by drumzalicious on Feb 11, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Ohhh
Me likey. If we add Damon, I hadn’t thought about hitting Diaz behind him until Heyward came up. That’s a perfectly balanced lineup too.
"Jason Heyward is more than the top prospect in baseball. He's the player who could transform the Braves from a modest threat into a World Series contender."
by Scott Coleman on Feb 11, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
It is nice, but...
…it includes two leftfielders and no rightfielders. Or pitchers better really be on their locations!
two leftfielders and no rightfielders
So it’s really no different than what we ran out there during most of our big stretch run last season, except that we’ve replaced FUGA’s horrible bat with a quality hitter in Damon?
And Damon would have better range in LF
it’s not bad. But it does create a jam if Schafer and Heyward prove ready by July.
You are correct on that point.
It would be just as bad as then, and that was really bad. True, we managed through it and won a bunch of games, but do we really want to do that to ourselves again?
if heyward doesnt start we either have two left fielders at the corners and 2 productive bats or melky in right and a not so productive bat in the lineup
by drumzalicious on Feb 11, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
That's about it.
On the positive side, none of the options are as bat with the bat or the glove as Garrett Anderson.
Yeah, because being tight and boring was this team’s problem last year…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Feb 10, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
it must’ve been GA’s professional leadership!
"Jason Heyward is more than the top prospect in baseball. He's the player who could transform the Braves from a modest threat into a World Series contender."
by Scott Coleman on Feb 10, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn’t read into it that much.
Here are Pujols's stats: 1.000/1.000/4.000/5.000. That's right. He is batting a thousand, with a thousand OBP (naturally), and every hit has been a home run, and thus his OPS is a perfect 5.000.
by TradeAndruw on Feb 11, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Oh crap, we really made an offer. Disregard.
Here are Pujols's stats: 1.000/1.000/4.000/5.000. That's right. He is batting a thousand, with a thousand OBP (naturally), and every hit has been a home run, and thus his OPS is a perfect 5.000.
by TradeAndruw on Feb 11, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
The funny thing is,
Frenchy is set to make $5M this year. And none of that is deferred. Classic Minaya. However anyone feels about Frank Wren, you have to admit that he’s no Omar.
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by Jacob Peterson on Feb 10, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Thank God.
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Feb 10, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Stop it.
You’re gonna make me cry.
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by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Feb 11, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
I smell Gary Matthews Jr. coming….
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by mad_dog_maddux on Feb 11, 2010 7:37 AM EST up reply actions
Try to find me a Braves blog better than TC.
Oh wait, there isnt one!
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by Scott Coleman on Feb 10, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
This. This. This.
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Feb 10, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
This is the best fan blog out there, hands down.
by sunking1056 on Feb 10, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Best fan blog in general, on the internets…
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by bwellnjonesco on Feb 11, 2010 7:57 AM EST up reply actions
Raising the Price
I really hope Boras is using us to race the price for the Rays and Tigers. Here’s hoping they bite.
And coming around the corner it’s Cincy Cincy Cincy with Detroit coming on hard from behind and as they head into the homestretch it’s Detroit nosing out Cincy- Detroit Detroit Detroit TRIPS and now it’s Cincy charging for the finish line- but Detroit has one last burst left and is coming on hard and at the finish it’s CINCY by a nose…
What's wrong with Damon?
Gondee, first time poster. Love the blog, I check it out daily. I am curious though…if you knew that having Damon wouldn’t delay Heyward’s arrival, and we could then trade Melky (I wouldnt want to trade Diaz) once they saw Heyward was ready, how does having Damon not make this club better with his experience and leadership hitting at the top of the order? Then image if Heyward isnt ready? Do you want an outfield of Melky, Mclouth, and Diaz?
yes id love that outfield
we don’t have the budget to spend $5 mil on damon, hes overrated due to that little league park of a stadium he played in last season
by BravesRaleigh on Feb 10, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
but what does new yankee stadium have to do with the decade of goob OBPs and stolen bases before that?
60% of the time, it works every time
the decade of goob OBPs and stolen bases
There’s your answer. He HAS put up good numbers, but whether he can anymore is being called into question. We all know his power is nowhere near what Coors East made it out to be last year, and his SB total sank big time. If we’re only gonna get 10-15 SBs out of him, well, we can get that from Diaz, who hits and OBPs just as well if not better than Damon while being a superior fielder. Ergo, we’re throwing $5M out the window in order to bring in a downgrade. That’s why so many are opposed. It’s not that Damon blows, because he’s still a serviceable option for a few teams, it’s just that he is not as good as the options we already have, therefore any money spent to acquire him is a waste of resources that would be better served in any number of other capacities, particularly by using it to acquire a piece midway through the year if a hole opens up (think a replacement reliever if someone goes down, maybe a guy like Washburn if he’s still out there and KK comes up hurt, maybe even a bench piece if Infante goes down again).
Bottom line- He’s a halfway decent outfielder who does not outdistance anyone currently on the roster and therefore would be an extraneous piece, which is a waste of money for our budget, and a huge one at a 5 million dollar price tag.
by J-Freak on Feb 10, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes we can...
if we trade Melky (which is what the Damon signing would lead me to believe) or Diaz (i hope the hell not) away.
put one of those in a package with, say, Reyes and a young, projectable arms (Cole Rob (who needs a change of scenery) or, if we’re in the hunt seriously, Spruil) and we could get something of value. but it would probably have to be at 1B and, seriously, that package won’t get anyone to put us over the top (unless we throw in Freeman and get, say, Fielder and sign him long term…but 5’11’ 270 scares the shit out of me). we would also need a 3B of the future and that package is too much for a AA 3B prospect (Joshua Bell in Baltimore??) unless they give us a MI prospect, too.
Bell and Givens for
Spruill, DeVall and Cody Johnson
haha…i’m delusional
anyway, the point is: why the hell do we want to sign Damon?
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Feb 11, 2010 4:13 AM EST up reply actions
MikeJolly
I definately approve of your first ever post.
The way I see it: If he sucks, we’re just out a few million bucks. If he is a solid, veteran OF for us, FW will look like a genious.
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by Scott Coleman on Feb 10, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
and it is sooo easy to toss around other people’s money
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
well when they have a little shy of 100million dollars, yeah, its pretty easy.
"Jason Heyward is more than the top prospect in baseball. He's the player who could transform the Braves from a modest threat into a World Series contender."
by Scott Coleman on Feb 10, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
no its not….you are talking about 5 million dollars…i dont care what the payroll is 5 million dollars is a lot of money to say “well if it doesnt work out its just 5 million”…for example lets say ur budget is $20000, would you be ok with throwing out $1000…of course not…so don’t act like 5M isnt a lot of money
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
uhhh, Bowman said it was less than $4MM. and half of it would be deffered over who knows how long.
"Jason Heyward is more than the top prospect in baseball. He's the player who could transform the Braves from a modest threat into a World Series contender."
by Scott Coleman on Feb 10, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
i dont care how much money it is, the issue is no longer how much Damon is too be paid…we can agree to disagree on Damon’s value to the Braves… thats up for argument and I wont say ur wrong…what this argument is about is the fact that u dont think 5M, or even 4M is a lot of money to waste on something. And the whole idea that we arent spending the money now so it doesnt matter is so ridiculous i won’t even go into it, I understand there value in terms of the time value of money, but in reality its not that big of a deal and we are still spending the money…just because its deferred doesnt really matter, u are fixing a problem now by creating a problem later…same problem different time, so that does nothing (i swear to god, im trying to not make this political)
in regards to damon, there is no upside to the signing…Diaz can do what Damon can, and since we arent replacing Diaz we are adding to Diaz its 5M for no added production…which makes no sense at all…now maybe Damon is better than Diaz, i can see that as a possibility he isnt 5M better than Diaz…so unless we have a means for trading Diaz (in which case, why wouldnt the team we are trading Diaz to just pick up Damon seeing as they are very similar)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
i didnt finsih that thought....
unless we can trade Diaz theres no reason to sign Damon…Id rather sign Dye, bc he sucks defensively, but at least he can suck in RF (in no way am I advocating a signing of Dye, just saying Id rather have a guy who can play RF)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
the 2 main reasons I want Damon:
1: It allows us to keep Jason Heyward in AAA for 2 months. I’d really, really, really like to not rush the kid. He could be one of the best players in baseball in a few years if we continue to develop him properly.
And yes, for 1 1/2 – 2 months, our OF defense wouldn’t be very good with Damon-McLouth-Diaz, but do you really want Melky Cabrera in RF assuming Heyward isn’t with the big club? He makes our lineup a lot weaker. It also lets MattyD get a bunch of AB’s, so once Heyward comes up, he’s already in his beastly form. I’d pray for a Damon/Diaz platoon in LF, but I doubt Bobby would do that.
2: He gives us a leadoff hitter, thus moving Nate McLouth down to the 6 hole, which I believe he would thrive in. Nate just isn’t a leadoff hitter. He’s much better when he’s being agressive in the count (similar to Esco). He also adds a bit of speed to the mid and lower part of our lineup; lord knows Glaus, BMac and Esco aren’t winning any type of race in the near future. Adding Damon gives us a much better lineup, IMHO, and I think the Braves could be deadly with a strong offense to go with our stud pitching.
And now, Mike Golic just compared the Colts to the Braves on ESPN; they always make the playoffs, but can never win the big game or the game that really matters (except once). Barf.
"Jason Heyward is more than the top prospect in baseball. He's the player who could transform the Braves from a modest threat into a World Series contender."
by Scott Coleman on Feb 11, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
That's an interesting theory...
…but, wow, that defense is going to be bad. The problem is that in your scenario, it would make more sense to platoon Melky and Diaz in right field until Heyward arrives. Melky is a plus defender in right and Diaz is a minus defender. Against lefties, Diaz’s much better hitting makes him the easy choice, but against righties, while Diaz isn’t that bad a hitter and may still be a bit better than Melky, the difference in hitting doesn’t make up for the difference in fielding.
At the end of the day, the real problem is that, other than Heyward, we don’t have anyone on the roster with the offensive and defensive capabilities to be even a league average everyday right fielder. And we haven’t for years (since the year Franceour was). And Heyward is just 20, so who knows when he’ll be ready. If Damon was a passable right fielder, his signing would make a ton of sense. As it is, I am not so sure. Certainly, if the price gets low enough, hell you sign almost anybody who is a solid major league player. But otherwise, does he really give you enough bang for the buck?
To add the numbers vs. righties...
Matt Diaz vs. righties put up an OPS of .749 in 2009, and has a career OPS of .722. Melky vs. righties put up an OPS of .747 in 2009, and has a career OPS of .730. There just isn’t much difference there, making Melky’s superior defense the logical choice against righties.
I agree with the first thing…I would like to keep Heyward in AAA if he’s not ready and I’d rather err on the side of caution on that decision
the second part I agree with everything you said, but the added benefits arnt worth 4-5M dollars to me… I really would be ok with Diaz leading off, it wouldnt be great, but it would be ok and then like u said McLouth lower = better
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Dye probably wouldn't be any better in right field...
…than Noodle-arm Damon or Diaz or Chipper, lol. Just because the White Sox trotted him out there to do his best statue impersonation the past five years doesn’t mean that their doing so makes any sense whatsoever.
no like i said, im not really advocating it, but he at least has an above avg arm, and his defense is that much worse than Damon’s , and a bat with similar production to Damon (overall, not necessarily how they do it)….but i stress i want neither Damon nor Dye…
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Thank you for a thoughtful first post...
…but I don’t see how Damon replaces Melky. If we sign Damon, we might as well trade Diaz—-they are both left fielders (we saw that when Diaz tried to play right field last year) and as nice as a Damon/Diaz platoon in left would be, Damon won’t sign to be a platoon player.
If we sign Damon and keep Diaz, Diaz is wasted on the bench for at least four months of the season (I assume Heyward will be up by June) and wasted in right field (which he really can’t play) for the other two months. And if we do that and trade Melky, we won’t have anyone who can spell McLouth in center for rest or a DL stint.
Isn’t that kind of like saying “If you knew it would work out, would you do it?”
The problem is, we don’t know if it would work out like that.
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 10, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
No joke...
with a crystal ball and 20/20 hindsight prior to making moves, I’d be the best GM in the history of the game. Unfortunately, no one possesses such things.
Johnny Damon at his best, could give reasonably:
.360 OBP, 15 HR, 25 SB, Veteran Presence
How is that a bad thing? He will hit as many or more HR than Diaz and he will steal more bases. He fills a critical role for the braves in that of a leadoff hitter. Diaz fills no critical role. He isn’t a leadoff hitter, he isn’t a power hitter, and he isn’t a defensive guy.
Having 2 guys stealing 20+ bases would be a nice thing to see again.
60% of the time, it works every time
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and it’s nice to have multiple people that share my opinion on signing Damon to the Bravos.
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by Scott Coleman on Feb 10, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
But come on...
At his age is he really going to be the best-case scenario player? If he gives anything more conservative, say a .350 OBP, 11-13 HR, 12-15 SB, what have we really done other than spend $5M on a guy to come in, take playing time away from Diaz, and then hit about as well and possibly a little worse than Diaz? The net result is we’re out $5M and have a poor defender mucking up the pitching staff. Why not just stand pat? I could understand the argument if we were looking at Melky as a full-time solution, but there is no reason Diaz can’t do as well as if not outdistance Damon while playing better D.
i completely agree
oone thing cox’s braves having been lacking for oh idk a while is sb. if we can get esco, mcclouth, and damon to all run this year, i like our chances. damon > melky
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what gives you the idea that Yunel stealing bases is a good thing…for his career he is 14 for 28 in the minors and 12 for 24 in the majors…Yunel should stand on the base at all times
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
haha this
"Sometimes I wonder what'd it be like to be outside and not hear the birds chirping...I think it'd be kind of nice."
by alligatorimpersonator on Feb 10, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Not true.
He is 2/3 stealing bases in between pitches. He should only run then. It is a riot to watch as well.
oo when he just kinda goes when the pitcher isnt paying attn..ok fine he stays on the base until the pitch is thrown then he gets his jump and if he so choose cna steal while the pitcher aint pay attn
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
The .360 OBP I can probably see but the rest of your numbers are “best case scenario” types. You can throw the “Veteran Presence” horse-shit out the window, what exactly does that mean anyway? As if JD could bring something that Chipper, McCann, Hudson, Lowe or any number of other veterans on the team could not.
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
Neither of them would steal 20+ bases...
…Damon is on the downside of his speed, and Bobby doesn’t send them much.
I would guess that in a full season Diaz would hit about as many HR’s as Damon and steal a few less bases. Diaz certainly isn’t a defensive guy, but then again, neither is noodle-arm Damon.
My basic question to signing Damon is why? We don’t exactly need veteran presence in the clubhouse, with McCann developing, Chipper still here, and Hudson around as well. His offense may well be a little better than Diaz and Damon is certainly a safer bet offensively. The defense is about a wash. I guess to me that the improvement Damon offers over Diaz is marginal and not worth the money it would take to sign him, which will probably be around $5 million. If he signs for $2 million, yeah, what the hell; we can trade Diaz and still have the reserve money for a mid-season pick-up. But why spend significant money on Damon when we have an almost as good left fielder in Diaz?
“Veteran Presence” sounds too much like “Professional Hitter”, now where have I heard that term before?
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by mad_dog_maddux on Feb 11, 2010 7:43 AM EST up reply actions
I meant to type it out professionally before i came, but i got hung up on other things. Oh well, preciate the shout out. I thought that would be better than asking! I told the nice guy from Elbert County that i met in line of my plot, and he was like “Oh, you gotta do it! It’ll be awesome!”
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by 10-4 on Feb 10, 2010 9:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Props to you 10-4,
That was a genius idea! Unfortunately, he didn’t sign it. I have nothing against Damon if we needed him, but we don’t, imo.
When asked what aspects of Heyward’s game need improvement, one scout simply replied, "Nothing."
hilarious
Hey guys, why we’re at it, since we already have 4 OF and possibly Heyward, let’s sign Damon. Also, since we have Glaus, let’s sign Branyon, and even though we have Prado let’s make sure and sign Felipe Lopez…(I’m sure you get the sarcasm…I’m laying it on pretty thick)
Damon strengthens and deepens our line-up:
Damon, J. (LF)
McLouth, N. (CF)
Jones, C. (3B)
Glaus, T. (1B)
McCann, B. ©
Escobar, Y. (SS)
Heyward, J. (RF)
Prado, M. (2B)
Damon and McLouth at the top of the line-up creates a combination of speed and OBP that should set the table for the other guys. Heyward would receive less pressure in the 7th spot and Prado fits best in the 8th.
Trade Melky to the Tigers for a prospect or two and keep Diaz to spot start for Heyward if need be. (Heyward seems to be injury prone in his few seasons – admittedly, a small sample size.) Infante can still spell McLouth if need be, and carry Hinske in Melky’s spot on the roster (who can serve Melky’s exact purpose).
If Damon is signed for 4M and Melky is traded for prospects, getting rid of Melky’s 3M contract basically means Damon is signed for an additional 1M – not a bad deal.
Then, trade him at the All-Star break and call up Schafer to fill in his place. Bat Schafer 8th and bump McLouth back to leadoff with Prado back in the two-hole. By this time next season, we’ll have him penciled in leadoff.
by Wren_and_Stimpy on Feb 10, 2010 9:41 PM EST reply actions
Switch McLouth and Prado. I really wanna see Nasty Nate in a slot he’s much more suited for.
"Jason Heyward is more than the top prospect in baseball. He's the player who could transform the Braves from a modest threat into a World Series contender."
by Scott Coleman on Feb 10, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
If so...
…then why bat him at the bottom of the line-up?
He will never be allowed to steal bases (especially with two outs – because if he gets caught the pitcher leads off the next inning; and probably with one out – because if he gets caught, the bunt is off the table which would have been more appropriate).
Not only will his speed not be able to be utilized, his power will not either; opposing pitchers rarely attack the 8th hitter knowing the pitcher is on deck.
Prado’s mediocre speed, decent plate discipline, and relative lack of power (at least that is been shown during games) shows that 8 is the best spot for him.
by Wren_and_Stimpy on Feb 10, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
What is the point in doing that to Diaz?
And who spells McLouth on occasion for rest or a brief DL stint? Making Diaz a fourth OF is a waste of his talent because he doesn’t fit that role well—-he really only plays left field and he certainly can’t play center. If we want to sign Damon, then trade Diaz——Melky fits as a fourth OF better than Diaz and Diaz is wasted in that role.
Eric Hinske
Did people forget we have Eric Hinske?
He can serve as an equally capable OF option at all three positions (except not a switch hitter, but does have more power).
by Wren_and_Stimpy on Feb 10, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
haha I was just thinking that
Hinske doesn’t play center, but he does play each corner outfield position well. Hinske could be a 4th outfielder I suppose, but he can’t play center.
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by alligatorimpersonator on Feb 11, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
That's the problem.
Nobody can really play center on the roster except for McLouth and Melky. Being able to play center makes Melky a better fourth OF than the other options. And Infante just isn’t the answer—-a career -15.3 UZR/150 in the outfield (yes, I know he is slightly positive in center, but the sample size is way too small to matter) shows that he is really a utility infielder.
If we sign Damon it would make far more sense to trade Diaz (who should fetch a better return and has no real position left here) than Melky. I know people here like Diaz and some have irrational hatred of Melky, but Diaz is clearly the one it makes sense to trade if we sign Damon.
Not that bad
Ok, it’s not my money and I can’t see how it would hurt. 1 year of Damon, Heyward stays down til June or so. Schafer stays down to September. We trade whoever (Diaz, Melky) when it comes time to call Heyward up. What’s done is done with Vasquez. On the bright side if we then sign Wang we can say he and Damon were basically included in the Vasquez deal to make us feel better. Lol. Can Diaz play first in the event of the inevitable Glaus season ending injury? How much worse could he be there?
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by Sid Bream's Moustache on Feb 10, 2010 9:54 PM EST reply actions
If Damon would platoon with Diaz I’d be cool with it, but that will never happen (I know Damon doesn’t have big splits, but Matt should absolutely be in there against lefties). If a scenario happens where we sign Damon and leave Heyward down, then we have the worst defensive outfield in baseball and probably the worst defensive team overall. Plus we would have like 7 outfielders in the mix (Damon, McLouth, Melky, Heyward, Diaz, Hinske, Schafer) with Damon pretty much blocking everybody regardless of need or performance. I just don’t think he brings enough as a “leadoff” type guy to make it all worth a shot.
by Sir Stealth on Feb 10, 2010 10:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree as well
I’ve been hoping for that platoon for weeks, but like you said…not gonna happen.
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by alligatorimpersonator on Feb 10, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
I really don't understand the contengint against Damon
If the Braves are willing to spend money. Let them do it! We aren’t getting anyone else!
Save the money for June/July.
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 10, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Even though
I support a Damon signing, I do think this is hilarious
Do you think we should have signed Kawakami?
IMO his signing slowed down the bringing up of Hanson, which again IMO is a main reason for us not going into the playoffs. In brining in Damon, I fear it will slow down a needed bat in Heyward.
I hope this point is mute after a couple of months into the season when Heyward is hitting the ball well and we all forget about Damon.
This point...
…will never be silent!! (Sorry, had to do it, and I am against signing Damon unless he comes for really cheap).
Kawakami was a good pick-up.
I was pretty pleased with what he brought to the table last year.
by get swoll yunel on Feb 11, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
Is there any chance this is a business move more than a baseball move??
As a Brave fan watching from afar, it’s really hard to gauge the attendance situation other than by hearing about it secondhand.
So, any chance that Jesus Doppelganger brings more fans to the seats if he plays well (and let the mane flow)?? He used to be quite the popular player, which is part of the reason his price is so high in the first place.
Could his potential resurgence, coupled with the excitement surrounding our newly-anointed phenom, really give the Braves a much-needed shot in the arm?? And could those potential cash-in-hand considerations be great enough for the front office to hedge their bets and take a shot at signing him??
Just looking at other reasons this could happen…
-C
When Damon played for the Red Sox, he was the outspoken, humorous spokesperson of the “idiots”. He is a popular player, and I think his personality and his “presence” (aura, mystique, whatever) would be awesome to be around… if I were hanging out with the guy. I’m not, though. Neither is Frank Wren. It is possible that Damon + Heyward would be exciting enough to draw people to the stadium, but is that worth several million dollars more than Melky + Heyward?
I don’t think so.
I simply do not buy the ‘resurgence’ bit. He’s 36 years old. He would be moving from a hitter’s park to a pitcher’s park. He would be switching leagues, and learning unfamiliar pitchers. He declined from 29 steals in 2008 to 12 last year (and we all know that Bobby doesn’t like to send runners, anyway). His 24 home runs last season ties his career high — it’s ridiculous to assume that he would have anywhere near that kind of production at The Ted.
I don’t think it would be a horrible signing, but personally, I would save the money until we are able to reassess the situation in May or June.
by kidnarcolepsy on Feb 10, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
i will officially agree to support the Damon signing if and only if he agrees to grow his hair out and bring back the jesus beard…outside of those terms i am wholeheartedly opposed
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
This. I’m very on the fence about the whole thing, I’m leaning toward being against it but if it happens then so be it, whatever, but if he does become a Brave the caveman, at the very least the beard, must return.
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by alligatorimpersonator on Feb 10, 2010 11:00 PM EST reply actions
everyone keeps pitting this as a damon vs diaz debate, but that’s not the case at all. damon would play center with mclouth in right and diaz in left. Damon has the speed for center, diaz is limited to left, and mclouth has the arm for right and it would immediately make him a better defender. Believe it or not, the braves want to delay heyward’s clock. Some play it off as a financial thing (which it is partially) but it’s also a developmental thing. Heyward has less than 200 at bats above A ball and while he may be ready, no one really knows whether or not he is. Signing damon gives the braves 3 decent outfielders on opening day without the huge question mark of a rookie. Everyone thought giving schafer the job of out spring was the right thing to do, but after an epically bad performance, everyone knew it was a mistake. When heyward proves he’s ready for a promotion, he can be eased into it in a platoon with diaz and then the platoon will switch over to diaz and damon. Damon can also add the versatility of a leadoff man, allowing prado, yunel, diaz, and mclouth to flip around the lineup.
Damon in CF…ouch.
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 10, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
see u need to check and see how many posts the persons made, if its just a couple then u can kinda just disregard it…especially in this case, where it is clearly devoid of any thought…but for arguments sake ill throw some numbers around
Damon has not played a full season in CF since 2006, where he was atrocious…he was worse in 05 , he wasnt horrible in 04 or 03 but he still was bad…in 02 he was above avg, the only time he was above avg since uzr came out…he’s played about 80 games in CF since 2006…
he really only played LF in 09 and as most know he was pretty bad in LF…there’s really no reason to think Damon should play any OF position, especially not CF…and Im not really a big supporter of McLouth in CF (bc he isnt that good there and would be borderline great in LF)
o and the fact that McLouth cannot handle right bc his arm is too weak is another point, but i suppose in a battle between McLouth, Diaz and Damon…McLouth has the best arm….(ya and thats the kinda defense I want in the OF, three guys who should all be playing LF)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
fine, disregard me, douchebag. I’ve been a braves fan for my whole life and the fact that you don’t want to listen to a new perspective on this blog just makes you closed minded. The fact is that damon has a noodle arm, completely inappropriate for right, while he does have some semblance of speed (which is why he’s being talked about as a leadoff man), appropriate for center. Mclouth has the best arm of the three and should get first crack at right. If you want to make the argument that center is more important defensively, so you want to put the best defender in there regardless, fine. Either way, the braves need a right fielder that can hit and signing damon is about the best that they can do with the current free agent market. As a hitter, he fits into the lineup just fine. As a fielder, it’s a stretch, but you can make it work.
What an idiot.
I’d rather slit my wrists, pour draino down my throat, set fire to my crotch, all while castrating myself with a rusty spoon than see Johnny Damon in a Braves uniform.
I don’t think I can put it any clearer than this.
and if the above poster had even 2% of his brain, he would know that Johnny Damon cannot make any kind of throw from left field, much less even consider him in right field, and to think he could be in center field, well, the above poster should never, ever, ever, breed, EVER, that kind of stupidity and idiocy should be banned, forever.
give him a break
I agree, Damon in center is a very, very bad idea, but we’re all Braves fans here, no reason for name calling….
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by alligatorimpersonator on Feb 11, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
damon in center is a bad idea, but damon in right is a worse idea. The defining characteristic of a right fielder is his arm, the reason frenchy won a gold glove. The defining characteristic of a center fielder is his speed, the reason blanco is a plus defender in center. It’s true that I haven’t seen damon play since he left the red sox, or really even since before that, but I do know that he has traditionally had speed and he has traditionally had a juan pierre calibur arm. The fact is that he and diaz are left fielders and it’s a stretch to put them anywhere else, but the braves aren’t paying 4+ million for diaz’s platoon partner. They’re paying to keep heyward in AAA for a few months. That means that there needs to be a way to get diaz and damon in the same outfield. I’m just trying to envision what that outfield would look like.
If Heyward doesn't start Opening Day...
and we end up having a Damon/McLouth/Diaz outfield until Heyward comes up, I think the best thing to do would be to put Damon in left, McLouth in center, and Diaz in right. Then have Melky fill in for Diaz when needed.
Damon used to be decent in center, and he does have some speed still, but he has just kind of fallen off the map defensively in the outfield, so left field is where he would do the least amount of damage. I’d keep McLouth in center because he is about average for the position, better than what we would replace him with, anyway. I’d put Diaz in right because he actually has the best arm of the three.
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by alligatorimpersonator on Feb 11, 2010 2:22 AM EST up reply actions
Agree. JD in left, Nate in center and Matt D in right until Jason is ready
by AlRoBraves95 on Feb 11, 2010 7:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jesus Christ
Calm down. Its just one mans opinion.
And while I agree that Damon probably wouldn’t handle CF well, there’s no reason for bitching at him like that.
Lets put on our big boy pants and cool it.
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by Scott Coleman on Feb 11, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
There’s better ways to handle a disagreement.
by get swoll yunel on Feb 11, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
when it happens
will you youtube that?
i mean slit your wrists, pour draino down your throat, set fire to your crotch, all while castrating yourself with a rusty spoon.
if not, shut the hell up.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Feb 11, 2010 4:16 AM EST up reply actions
Why do people keep using Schafer as a comp for Heyward? Heyward is on another level prospect-wise.
It makes even less if you consider that Schafer’s lack of production was most likely due to injury.
by get swoll yunel on Feb 11, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
the schafer comp is just easier to relate for braves fans. Better comps to prove my point for heyward’s situation are justin upton (a BA #2 overall prospect in 2006 who managed a .221 batting average and a .647 ops in his first stint in the majors at 19 years old.), cameron maybin (former BA #6 overall prospect in 2007 and 2008 who hit .147 with a .437 ops in his first major league stint), and jay bruce (BA #1 overall prospect in 2008 who has managed a .240 batting average and .769 ops in his first two seasons with the reds)
Heyward has something that none of those guys do – an uncanny sense of the strike zone.
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 11, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
+1
Those guys were much more reliant on their tools than Heyward’s prospect status is. The only reason this team is considering starting Heyward as a 20 year old with so little high-minors experience is because of the plate discipline and that’s the biggest issue with young hitters normally.
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Telemakhos, the problem with Damon in centerfield is...
…that we don’t have to project how he would do, he has done it. For years, he was a fine center fielder. And that’s what he played. Then he was moved out of center because he simply couldn’t play it any more; his centerfield defense fell off of the map. In 2007 and 2008, he played a lot of DH because his outfield defense was just bad period. In 2009, he had to play left because of Hideki Matsui’s knees preventing his playing the field at all. Damon is passable in left, but just bad in center.
As for Heyward, he may be ready, he may not be ready. There have been plenty of top prospects who have struggled when they first came up and plenty who have been great. We just don’t know. What will probably make Heyward the best choice in right field at the start of the season is that whether he struggles with the bat or not, he is clearly the best choice in right defensively and it really isn’t close at all. He might even be the best choice in center defensively, but that would be silly because you don’t want him to have to learn it when he is adjusting to major league pitching and besides, we don’t really have anyone else who can play right field where Heyward is very good.
I think it does come down to Damon vs. Diaz because they are both left fielders and only one can play left. Neither has given any indication in the recent past (or ever for Diaz) that he can play anywhere but left field.
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by FineHamAbounds on Feb 11, 2010 12:31 AM EST reply actions
damon/diaz
if diaz annihilates left handed pitching, can we platoon him with damon in left field. keep mclouth in center, and heyward/melky in right (depending on where heyward starts. i dont see a problem with signing damon as long as its not too much money
On a side note, I just read a post on yahoo, concerning Johnny Damon, apparently he’s due in St. Louis tomorrow morning at 9:15 am for a physical.
Please, by all the gods, let this be true.
Did Johnny steal your wife or beat you up or something? You seem to really hate the guy.
IF he signs with the Braves, are you seriously going to be bashing him like this? We all have our opinions on who we want on the Braves, but at the end of the day, you root for whoever is wearing a jersey. For example, I prefer Martin Prado over Kelly Johnson (total shocker, right?), but if we would’ve kept KJ instead of Marteeen, I would’ve supported and cheered for KJ 100%. I’m just wondering if you’ll do the same, since you’ve repeatedly bashed the guy and threatened to “slit your wrists and pour draino down your throat” if we sign him.
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by Scott Coleman on Feb 11, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t hate him, he’s a great guy. But the only way I want him in The Ted is if his team is visiting. I’ll cheer but I will not be happy, especially if it takes playing time from either Matty D or Jay Hey.
by MO'toole on Feb 11, 2010 4:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
For what it is worth, I don't hate Damon.
He is supposedly a great clubhouse guy, although I don’t think he’ll ever be nominated for a husband of the year award. If we sign him, I will root for him to do well. I just don’t think it is necessary as he duplicated what we already have in Diaz and will cost money we could save for a trade deadline move. I don’t think signing Damon is a horrible move, just a waste of money since we’ll waste what we already have in Diaz if we sign Damon. And, hell, if he comes cheap enough (which he won’t if we have already offered him $4 million), it works for me.
When the talk about Damon first began I was intriqued, thinking that with how the offense struggled last year his bat would be needed. As time passed and I read more opinions on TC, I’ve come to think that a Damon addition would not be in the best interest of the Braves. My opinion lines up more or less with cavebird’s argument. I’m not a hater & will pull for the guy if he ends up in a Braves uni, it’s just that, skill wise, I believe we already have in Diaz what we would be getting in Damon @ a cheaper cost. The money spent on Damon would be better served to be used for a trade @ Jun/July.
I also don’t totally buy the veteran presence theory (putting more fans in the seats.) The Braves have had one of the best 3rd basemen in the game, a catcher who is making the All- Star team an annual occurence, one of the hottest shortstops in the game, two of the hottest pitchers in Hanson & J.J. & the phenom that is JH coming up. IMO it’s the economy keeping fans away & Damon’s prescence won’t overcome that.
All that being said, it seems that there is a consensus that Diaz will be the most affected if Damon comes on board. Could the Brave’s continued interest in Damon be more about Diaz than Damon? Could it be that clubs are knocking on the Braves doors offering a good trade package for Diaz’s services & that Damon would be brought in to fill the void left by Diaz’s leaving? Sorry about the manifesto.
Damon in St. Louis?
That would make even less sense than Damon signing with Atlanta. They have already spent a small fortune on a left fielder this offseason. I think the Yahoo post must just be nuts, unless a team doctor for someone else happens to be in St. Louis right now.
My favorite memory about Damon...
The first time he played in Fenway after signing with the Yankees (remember he had a huge beard then) a fan held up a sign that said, " Looks like Jesus, acts like Judas, and throws like Mary." Classic. IMO.
i love how a ton of people are suddenly on board with damon
id still rather not have him…hes going to hit a max of five homers…id rather have diaz/schaffer/heyward full time
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Nobody cares about how many homers he hits. If someone signs him for his power they truly are idiots. What he can bring, however, is a legitimate lead-off presence. For the right price, I’ve been on board with this the entire off-season although it’s been a tough position to hold around here given the continuous one-sided message that’s been perpetuated on this site.
His OBP would be good for 8th best on the Braves.
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 11, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
try 4th
Not sure where you’re getting that. Only Chipper, Yunel, and Diaz had better OBP’s that Damon last year.
Career. Not last season.
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 11, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Not a great measurement but it’s not the point either. Damon is a lead-off hitter. Something the Braves haven’t had in a while. And I’m not strictly looking at OBP when I say he’s a lead-off hitter before you run and say that Diaz has a better OBP. You can’t just look at one stat to determine who would be better at different spots in the lineup.
The most important thing for a leadoff hitter is his ability to get on base for the guys behind him to bring him home.
Leadoff hitters do not have to steal bases or “manufacture” runs. They have to get on base, and not make outs.
Of all of the potential starters, Damon gets on base 8th best.
While I am in the “Diaz for leadoff” crowd, I would also rather have Prado (or ideally even, Chipper) lead off over Damon…hypothetically, of course.
If Damon is on the team, I would assume that he is best suited for a LF platoon with Matty D – interchangeable leadoff hitters, depending on the pitching, if Damon has to lead off.
Personally, I would bat Damon 2 and have Prado lead off when Damon is hypothetically in the lineup:
Prado
Damon
Chipper
Glaus
McCann
Yunel
Nate
Melky
Of couse, my IDEAL lineup would be this:
Diaz/Damon
Chipper
Yunel
Glaus
McCann
Nate
Prado
Melky
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 11, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
You really think Bobby platoons at leadoff?
I don’t. And the idea Diaz can be successful as a leadoff hitter has no basis in his career so far. Maybe he can, but there is no way of knowing that from a guy who was successful in around 50% of games mostly hitting 6th-8th.
No, I don’t think Bobby would. That is why I said “MY ideal lineup”.
Diaz has proven that he can rake in a platoon role – where he hits in the lineup should be irrelevant. If he can rake against righties in the 7 hole, he can in the 1 spot.
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 11, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
To me, OBP and an ability to work the count are the most important things in a lead-off hitter. Diaz’s OBP is too tied in with his batting average and Chipper Jones obviously needs to be producing runs which still leaves him as our best option at lead-off. I’d take Damon over Prado at lead-off because Damon is a proven lead-off hitter and I don’t think it would be smart to hand over the lead-off spot to Prado after 1 season.
7th
And that’s something of a loaded statement as he’s within 5 points in career OBP of 4 of the 6 who are ahead of him. (And Diaz has been a platoon player, and Prado has just over 1 season of sample size).
Chip – .406
Esco – .375
Prado – .360
Glaus – .359
Diaz – .358
Mac – .356
Damon – .355
Nate – .342
Melky – . 331
Good catch. I just posted all of those the other day too, but I guess I misremembered where he would be. Not sure who I was thinking had a better OBP…
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 11, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
ofc i didnt stricktly mean homers
My point is that his offensive numbers last season — which were some of the best of his career — were most probably a product of his stadium. I have very little faith that he will be able to replicate any of those numbers.
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all this talk about his speed
i just want to know why he cant catch a ball if he has so much speed.
I have a feeling Damon will try to steal a base the first game and be thrown out by a mile. Then i want to hear what all of you guys say about this speed.
vs. Halladay
I’m not saying I hope he signs, but his stats against Halladay are definitely interesting…
http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/pvb.cgi?n1=hallaro01&n2=damonjo01
Update on the situation from Heyman
@SI_JonHeyman i’m hearing #braves have at least $6 million to
spend on damon. #tigers appear to be the main threat.
Main threat? Try “best ally!”
Good lord, $6M on Damon, and we couldn’t get KJ for 2-ish???
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 11, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
…didn’t want KJ for 2-ish…
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True…I definitely didn’t type that out right.
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 11, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
KJ for 2-ish
It’s a shame we let him go with our infield needs. I can see signing Damon for <$4 mil, but $6 mil is insane. Tigers might screw us for taking JJ off of them.
I didnt want KJ
But id rather have him at 2 than damon at 6
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You mark that frame an 8, and you're entering a world of pain.
10-4, you have just won the Super Bowl achieved internet fame. What are you going to do next?
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 11, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
I felt so good about myself when I saw this episode and had no idea who 90 percent of the internet “phenoms” were.
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the guy wearing the blue hickey helmet is Tron-guy…the only reason i know that is he was on Tosh.0
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
How great is that show? That dude is hilarious. The thing last night where they showed the guy pantsing the dude on the subway was one of the greatest things I’ve ever seen.
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i’ve been on the daniel tosh bandwagon since i first saw his standup like3-4 years ago…(speaking of standup, you did well sir)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Yeah, like you whenever the first time he was on Comedy Central I got hooked. It’s crazy how intricate his stuff it.
Haha, thanks man. Maybe one of these days I won’t feel like I need to throw up when I finish.
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i love tosh but not his show
except for this. he was given a new ipad to show off on the show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gA16Fq4SAo
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I am not a huge fan (I like the Soup much better), but the episode where he had Chris Crocker was epic.
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 12, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
i’d like to retract this statement since i just told her about all this.
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
if ur wife is anything like my gf…she laughed at you didnt she?
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Just realized this got fanshotted on AA
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2010/2/11/1306353/this-is-how-fans-should
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