Pirates And Athletics Possible Trade Destinations For Braves Starter Kenshin Kawakami
by gondeee on Dec 6, 2010 1:44 PM EST
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PrintAccording to former Braves MLB beat writer intern turned full time Pirates MLB beat writer Jenifer Langosch, the Pirates could be players on Kenshin Kawakami:
The Braves are looking to part ways with starter Kenshin Kawakami and, according to one source, the Pirates have shown some interest in the right-hander this offseason. That certainly makes sense, given that the Pirates are searching anywhere and everywhere for starting pitching and that Kawakami is expendable to the Braves.
Kawakami, 35, is set to make $6.667 million in 2011, the final year of a three-year deal he signed with Atlanta. The Braves know that they will have to pick up a significant amount of that salary in order to trade Kawakami, so the cost to acquire him would likely only be $1-2 million. Atlanta is not believed to be seeking any significant player return, either.
AJC beat writer David O'Brien is also reporting that the Athletics are being discussed as a possible destination for Kawakami. If the Braves chose either of those team they would likely have to pick up a significant portion of Kawakami's salary, something they seem willing to do to write any part of it off their books. Any salary relief we receive from a Kawakami deal would likely be used on a utility player or another bullpen pitcher.
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Not the Pirates they just signed Scott Olsen and we all know he’s a better option than K.K. now the A’s maybe but Olsen is better and I would choose him 10 times outta 10
So...
KK would go 0-10 against Scott Olsen…
just like he did against the National League?
:)
Chicken pot, chicken pot, chicken pot pie!!
Haha BURN.
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Dec 6, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
So teams only need 1 SP now?
Dang, then we just freed up a lot of salary since we dont’ need Lowe, Huddy or Jurrjens.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 6, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently, you only need one when it is Scott Olsen.
Not sure why he’s better than KK, either.
Comparing #s since KK entered the league...
he’s not. Even I would have trouble arguing that.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
And looking at their numbers...
you’d have a pretty strong argument.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Oakland might work..
pretty strong Japanese market in the Bay Area, and they could use a back-end starter or two. It might not be a bad deal.
"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel
yea
i definitely see a fit there…especially since negotiations with iwakuma fell apart…
by forgotten_glory on Dec 6, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Just wish she's wrong on eating all...
but $1 or 2m. Keep holding Frank, in a week or two someone will get desperate and be willing to pay upwards of $3 or 4m, if not $5+.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
This.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 6, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
yea
I hope Wren can only eat one or two mil and I think he could get the deal done
Yeah, I know.
It’s actually made out of some sort of cotton fiber. It just wouldn’t have had the same humorous effect to say “I hope you know that eating cotton-fiber material isn’t healthy.”
Hate paying that much money for someone else’s pitcher. I guess it’s necessary though.
Unless we get someone to pay at least 3M, I think I’d rather keep him in Gwinnett as an emergency plan for injuries and young arms.
"I have a dream that one day our twelve pitchers will one day play in a city where they will not be judged by statistics but by the quality and consistancy of their pitches." - MLK, Jr.
I dislike this whole situation...
Gah…KK is not that bad. Really. I know he needs to go, but we botched this whole process…
"You can't print what I said, but they have to catch us." - Chipper Jones
Amen.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 6, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
See ya KK
Heck at this point I would take old C. Thomas back granted he only had one good season with us and basically fill off the map as far as MLB regs in the lineup card for A’s and I have no idea if they still have him etc… but dumping KK is necessary to improve this club. Braves overpaided for really him first and D. Lowe second but atleast D.Lowe has one to two good years left in the tank where as KK was washed up when we signed him from Japan.
Salary relief is need trade him to anybody today please.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Dec 6, 2010 3:25 PM EST reply actions
we could just release him
"I have a dream that one day our twelve pitchers will one day play in a city where they will not be judged by statistics but by the quality and consistancy of their pitches." - MLK, Jr.
....and eat the salary.
Wait! I get it!
Shark in the water.
by AvoidTheDolphin on Dec 6, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Might as well pitch him in AA
As long as we’re stuck paying him and he isn’t taking up a spot on the 40 man roster. Who knows. Maybe we can deal him and save a couple million to invest in another lefty out of the pen.
Okay, I've never been the biggest KK fan....
But I don’t understand how some people seem to think Nate is “owed” the opportunity to prove that last season was a fluke, yet KK is not. Decent numbers, zero run support. Do we have better options to fill out OUR rotation? Yeah, probably. But I’d rather pay his ridiculous contract for one more year and use him as a glorified insurance policy than give him away just to say we did it. I hope FW decides not to deal him until he can get AT LEAST half the salary and maybe a low-to-mid tier prospect. Even if we go into the season with him, there’s a chance that even if we don’t need him, someone will. And they’ll be desperate enough to pay…I just don’t feel that the offseason market, when there’s glitzier options out there, is the right time to deal
''We cover the outfield like kudzu covers the land around here" - Bobby Cox, 2004
The difference is, there’s plenty of younger, cheaper competition that has outperformed KK…unlike McLouth.
I think paying him $6.67MM next year to take away innings from Beachy, Minor, and possibly Teheran later in 2011 is a waste of money…
cheaper ?
I think there is a man in our rotation with a pretty hefty contract….
Because McLouth is on the 40 man roster...
and appears slated to start. Kawakami has been removed from the 40 man roster, and we were reportedly set to deal him back to Japan until he said no thanks, and chose to stay here due to a no trade clause back home.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
It's not a no-trade clause back home.
It is just the general rule that you can’t trade players out of the country without their consent. That KK is Japanese does not make him any different than other players in that regard.
Gotcha,...
the way I read it, it seemed like a specific clause in KK’s contract, not a general rule covering all players.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Kawakami did not put up decent numbers in 2010.
1.489 WHIP is horrible. He was also worth a whopping -1.0 WAR last year. 46% if the hits he allowed went for extra bases. He also averaged only 5.3 innings per start (16 outs total) and only 89 pitches thrown per start, and he often pitched on extra rest.
McLouth was worth even less than KK last year, but the reality of the situation is the Braves have a lot of young starters they could use instead of Kawakami. They do not have anyone they could start in center field instead of McLouth. I am sure Wren is looking into possible replacements but center fielders are hard to come by currently.
all of those numbers are either misleading or blatantly wrong…Not to mention extra rest does not equate with success, especially when pitchers are used to a routine.
his WHIP was high, and there’s no excuse for that, except an unsustainably high 320 BABiP.
he was worth .8 WAR so I don’t know where you got that number for
He was a decent pitcher last year, he wasnt great…but he was ok….you also cherry picked statistics here, and it is relatively blatant.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
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"unsustainably high"...
is something I’ll disagree with when guys are squaring you up like KK last year. In 345 at bats, he gave up 45 extra base hits, and an iso of .206. When you’re getting rocked like that, your BABIP will always be high.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Kawakami on the Pirates
A fantasy baseball dream scenario. You could pick up whoever is opposing KK every 5 days and rack up serious wins.
$10 says that he gets more run support with the Bucs than he did with us.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 6, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
KK + salary for Michael Choice. Trade with A´s or
KK + salary for Jose Tabata. Trade with Pirates.
Is Salary better than Cash? I hear Cash is all the rage these days.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 6, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
i´m not sure, the source is not very confindent. Klaw´s scouting report says
97-99 mph fastball
over average slider
and a cutter like Mo´s cutter
He is likely to become a closer, although can be a starter. Klaw says he can be the next Mo.
none of those are likely, i mean Jose Tabata got votes for the ROY….
;)
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
you seriously don't get it, joshant
KK has NO VALUE. None. Zip. Teams would be doing us a favor by taking him.
Choice and Tabata are both young, controlled for years, cheap, and pretty good.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Dec 7, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
KK for Rickie Weeks. Get it done, Wren!
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
I suppose if the Brewers will give up Lawrie for Marcum this is possible
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
your underselling Marcum...
he has been a very pitcher when healthy. Of course, there should be concerns considering he logged by far his most innings (190+ after career highs in the 150s), in the year after returning from tommy john. But he’s a solid young pitcher for a guy blocked completely by other players (McGehee, Weeks, Hart, Braun).
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Not sure if this came through, but by Rickie Weeks
I mean Andrew McCutcheon.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
DO IT!
I DON’T CARE IF WE GET THEIR WORST PLAYER, JUST DO IT!
Mathew 19:26 "With God, all things are possible"
yes actually
but we’re not gonna get him because the nats don’t know how to think business, just look at Werth’s contract
Mathew 19:26 "With God, all things are possible"
if you admit the contract is horrible, then why would u want to trade for him?
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
all I'm saying is that the contract lasts too long
and too much money for the Nats
Mathew 19:26 "With God, all things are possible"
my point is
they aren’t smart enough to trade with us
Mathew 19:26 "With God, all things are possible"
Yes I would...
because if we could afford to take on that massive contract then our payroll limits went up, and we probably got a new, more willing to spend, owner.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
One can only hope this is true.
I’d be soooo happy if anyone would eat 2 mil. That’s WAY better than nothing. And we can have close to 3 mil for that utility spot we need to fill.
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