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Interview With Former Braves Reliever Greg McMichael

Greg McMichael will be doing more than just signing autographs at Braves Fantasy Camp.

Over the next few weeks Talking Chop will be interviewing former Atlanta Braves players who will be participating in the first ever Braves Fantasy Camp, January 25-30, 2011 at the Braves Spring Training facility at ESPN's Wide World of Sports complex at Disney.

First up is the new Braves Senior Adviser for Alumni Relations, Greg McMichael. Greg was a part of those great Braves bullpens of the early 90's. He saved 44 games in four years with the Braves, but he was primarily a setup man, and a key member of the Braves 1995 World Championship team.

Talking Chop:  In your new role as Braves Sr. Adviser for Alumni Relations (congrats by the way), will you be coordinating more events for the fans with retired Braves? What can we look forward to?

Greg McMichael:  One of the things I've been working on are one day fantasy camps. We've done a couple of those so far and are looking to continue them. I'm also working on some potential trips - hunting trips, fishing trips, or just road trips to other cities to watch the Braves play. I'm putting together an email list of fans who are interested in these sorts of events with alumni, and whenever we schedule a new event I send out an email about it to the list. If people are interested in being on that list they can email me at: fantasycamp@braves.com and just let me know they want to be included on any Alumni event emails.

Talking Chop:  Since you retired from playing baseball, what have you been doing? Have you stayed connected to Major League baseball in any way?

Greg McMichael:  The main thing I've been doing over the last 10 years is teaching. I just started w/ the Braves 4 months ago but before that I've been teaching young players how to pitch and how to play the game.

Talking Chop:  What do you miss most about playing the game?

Greg McMichael:  I probably miss the competition the most. It's hard to kind of reenact that adrenaline rush you get from competing at such a high level.

Talking Chop:  You were traded four times, twice to the Mets, and twice by the Mets. In 1998, you were traded from the Mets to the Dodgers in June, and then back to the Mets in July. Could they just not make up their mind about you? What was that experience like?

Greg McMichael:  Yeah that was pretty crazy, I think what happened was they [the Mets] had put together a very good bullpen... Mel Rojas, Dennis Cook, Turk Wendell, and there came a point in the season when we needed a starting pitcher. The Mets really wanted Hideo Nomo from the Dodgers, so they traded me for him, and when I got there [to LA], within 5 weeks the bullpen had collapsed in NY, and the Dodgers needed another starting pitcher, so they traded me back. And the very next season I had gotten hurt, and the Mets needed a starting pitcher again and the A's had Kenny Rogers, so they traded me and Jason Isringhausen for Kenny Rogers. I had mixed feelings about it all, I really liked the players I played with on the Mets, I had been there for parts of 3 years, and you always have mixed feelings about these things. I wasn't crazy about going to the AL, but nobody likes moving around that much.

Star-divide

Talking Chop:  This baseball off-season has seen teams hand out several $100 million-plus contracts to players. Are these kinds of contracts good for the game? Do you see the money that's being handed out as an obstacle to competitive balance among all teams? Do you think the Braves can continue to be competitive in this kind of market?

Greg McMichael:  Well I'm a free enterprise kind of guy, so to me, everybody has to manage their own budget. It's been that way for a long time, where the Yankees and teams like that have paid more but it hasn't always equated to winning a Championship so that doesn't bother me. I think there's been plenty of teams who have proven they can still win without those kind of payrolls - so I don't think it disrupts the balance but I know there's been arguments both ways.

Talking Chop:  Last year the Braves used 17 pitchers as relievers. When you broke into the Majors in 1993, the Braves used just 9 relievers that year. What has changed about being a relief pitcher from the early 90's until now?

Greg McMichael:  There has been a lot of change from the 4 starting pitchers that we had in the early 90's. There used to be a team, the Giants, in the early 90's where their starters would go just 5 or 6 innings, and then they'd burn through their bullpen because their starters couldn't go 7 innings. We were fortunate b/c we had pitchers going 8-9 innings, with Glavine, Maddux, Smoltz - 7 at the least. So I'd pitch the 8th and Wohlers the 9th, and if we were a little ahead or behind the other guys would get in, so that keeps a bullpen fresh. We had really good relief pitchers, we stayed healthy, and we had unbelievable starting pitching so that took the pressure off of doing it every single night.

Talking Chop:  How would you compare the Braves bullpen from last year (2010) with the bullpen's you were a part of in the early 90's.

Greg McMichael:  In the early 90's we had a dominant closer who picked up a lot of slack, kind of like when Smoltzy and Rocker were closers, you saw the same type of thing with Billy [Wagner] this past year. So when you have that, it has a trickledown effect and the other guys do really well. So I think it's similar, but there again we had guys [starters] who were throwing a bunch of innings, so you have to rely on more the bullpen when they don't do that. So if you have an older pitching staff they're not going to be logging as many innings, you're going to require more out of your bullpen on a daily basis, and it exposes more of the depth of your bullpen and you end up using more people.

Talking Chop:  Have you participated in a baseball fantasy camp before? What do you hope to get out of the Braves fantasy camp?

Greg McMichael:  I have - I was involved with Athletes in Action who had a Fantasy Camp one year that I participated in. As an organization, we want to continually reach out to alumni and get them back involved and the more alumni are involved, the better our brand is, so it all works together. Our alumni have been an unbelievable part of the success of the organization and we want the same winners that were a part of the Braves in the early years to be back involved because it makes us a better organization. The fans want to see them as well, so it all works together.

For the fans, the Fantasy Camp is going to be a unique experience of 5 days with guys who they used to watch play and cheer for. They get the chance and the time to understand what made them the great players they were. It's a laid back setting and a more extended period of time with the alumni, so they'll get a really good feel for who the guys are. And as far as the skill level... to be able to be taught by these guys - how to throw a baseball, how to field it, it's going to be great. We're staying at the Wyndham Bonnet Creek Resort, and we're playing at the ESPN Wide World of Sports, so we couldn't have better surroundings. We've got a great mix of Braves alumni who are looking forward to it, and it's going to be a great fan experience they can't get anywhere else.

Talking Chop:  What's your favorite Bobby Cox story? How did Bobby impact you as a player?

Greg McMichael:  My greatest memory, well one of my greatest memories was the day that he called me and Steve Bedrosian and Jay Howell into his office and told me that I made the team, that's probably my greatest moment. There's probably a bunch of little stories but that one probably stands out among all of them. I think the greatest impact that he had on me and all of us is that he was consistent and you knew what he expected out of you - to treat him with the respect, your teammates and coaches with respect - if you did that he'd always go to bat for you. He always treated everyone the same and you hear that from everyone. You really felt that from him. Everyone knew where they stood and when you know where you stand there's a lot of peace that goes along with that, and you know how to respond day in and day out. That's why you hear so much praise from former players about Bobby.

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Many thanks to Greg McMichael for taking the time to answer my questions. Coming up on Wednesday we'll present our interview with former Braves catcher Greg Olson.

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Anyone else thinks he looks a bit like Meatloaf?

by Sparhawk on Dec 20, 2010 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

Haha

Yes!!! That was my first thought!

"I wasn’t thinking about it. That’s the worst celebration of all time. I didn’t know what to do. I got lost in the moment." - Brian McCann

by HansonManCrush on Dec 20, 2010 1:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I can’t believe it’s already been 10 years since he’s pitched..

Your seriously using kryptonite bullets on Batman? That's Superman's weakness, but yeah, the funeral will be on Friday..

by bwellnjonesco on Dec 20, 2010 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

I thought it had been longer :\

"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"

"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."

by Doghnut on Dec 20, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

These are great!

Looking forward to the rest of these interviews.

"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel

by Scott Coleman on Dec 20, 2010 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

Seconded!

It’s good hearing from McMichael. He was a really under-appreciated part of those mid-90s teams. Check his numbers from 1993 to 1996:

317.2 IP (about 80 IP / year), 8.16 K/9, 2.89 ERA, 2.91 FIP, 6.7 WAR.

Awesome.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Dec 20, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

He had a sick change-up.

Morgan: Do you think I could come into the clubhouse after the game and display my ass for both those veterans and the younger guys?

Baker: Well, Joe, you are on the payroll of the team, and you're a legend, so I suppose — holy shit!

[Joe has appeared next to Dusty, in the dugout, completely naked]

Morgan: Hey.

by TradeAndruw on Dec 20, 2010 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

Good interview. It’s a pleasant mix of serious questions, solid answers and a light tone. Good balance.

The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!

by TheLetter2 on Dec 20, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

Nice read

I always liked Greg. The Fantasy Camp sounds great.

*Just Chill* when things start to look a bit difficult-don't panic as you take away your ability to think straight. Go Braves! Go Dawgs! Go Falcons!

by HEYJUDE on Dec 20, 2010 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

I liked that funky little hitch he had in his delivery.

by aaaaandTheBravesWin on Dec 20, 2010 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

"Great" Braves bullpens of the 1990's? Are you on CRACK?

I read that sentence where you said that he was a part of “those great Braves bullpens of the 1990’s” and I nearly fell out of my chair. Are you serious?? The ONLY reason we didn’t win 7 or 8 World Series Championships in the 1990s was because of our CRAPTACULAR bullpens! This is supreme dillusional talk.

by Chief Knockahomer on Dec 20, 2010 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

Well considering the level of turnover our bullpens went through on a yearly basis in the 90s, I’d say they performed pretty well. Also, let’s not forget our bats. They should share more than some of the blame. Some of our top hitters were busts when it came to the post season.

by aaaaandTheBravesWin on Dec 20, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Check your facts.

In 1993, the Braves led the majors in bullpen ERA and FIP (3.15 and 3.22, respectively). They were led by none other than Greg McMichael (2.06 ERA, 2.42 FIP).

In 1994, their ERA dropped back a bit, but their FIP was still 2nd in MLB behind Montreal. McMichael again had the top FIP on the team at 2.72.

In 1995, they were 8th in MLB in ERA and 4th in FIP (3.93 for both). McMichael was again very good, but Mark Wohlers was awesome: 2.09 ERA, 1.88 FIP. We don’t win the series that year without the bullpen being very good.

In 1996, the Braves finished 6th in ERA and tied for 2nd in FIP. McMichael and Wohlers were excellent again.

1997: 5th in ERA, 2nd in FIP.
1998: 7th in ERA, 6th in FIP.
1999: 2nd in ERA, 5th in FIP.

So, from 1993 to 1999, the Braves had one of the best bullpens in baseball almost every year. In fact, totaling all the stats from 1993 to 1999, the Braves had the best bullpen in baseball by both ERA (3.71) and FIP (3.80). Check this link if you don’t believe me. You are just about as wrong as a person can be.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Dec 20, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

+1 you just really put it to that guy!

by HeywardFTW! on Dec 20, 2010 10:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

that's why

you don’t argue with pac!

I like people until I meet them.

by scorby911 on Dec 21, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Would you and your doppelganger like that?

Your seriously using kryptonite bullets on Batman? That's Superman's weakness, but yeah, the funeral will be on Friday..

by bwellnjonesco on Dec 21, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+50

for use of “doppelganger”.

"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton

by UMDBHIK on Dec 22, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Where are the blown saves and blown leads stats? Because it always seemed to me those bullpens weren’t that great. It’s possible that this is a case where ERA, and the other newfangled stats, might not be telling the whole story.

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by cbwilk on Dec 21, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Blown saves stats are below in another post.

The Braves had the fewest in MLB from 93 to 99. Blown leads stats are harder to come by, though I would bet you a lot that the Braves ’pens of that era measure up really well.

You want other stats? The Braves had the best K/9 from 93 to 99 (8.30; nobody else is above 7.93). They also had the best K/BB at 2.07. They tied for the best WHIP with the Reds and Expos at 1.35. They had the best average against at .243.

They finish “only” 5th in WAR and 7th in WPA, but those are counting stats, and the Braves ‘pen had a lot fewer innings than the other teams—though, it should be noted, they had about the same number of save opportunities. So they held leads at an awesome rate, but didn’t have as many chances to accrue stats in low-leverage situations.

The one stat I have where they don’t measure at or near the top of the pack is left on base percentage, where they are in the middle of the pack.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Dec 21, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s interesting that the stats are so much in their favor. I really always thought the bullpens were weak. There was so much turnover. Aside from a few years Wohlers was never a sure thing and it seemed like they never had any consistency in who was setting up. I know there were several times they made mid-season whole sale changes in the pen, late July of 97 when Millwood, Ligtenberg, and Cather all came in on the same day immediately comes to mind. I guess the most important and telling stat of all is wins, if the bullpen was really bad all those years there’s no way they would have been the winningest team of the decade.

I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
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by cbwilk on Dec 21, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Well put, CB.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Dec 21, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Blown saves stats, please. Lost leads stats, please.

ERA, FIP…so, you’re a useless stats fan, huh? Good for you. Pop quiz, stats freak…in what category did the Braves bullpen (Mark Wohlers included) lead the NL in 2 of those 7 years that you DIDN’T (most likely conveniently) mention. ERA and FIP are about as meaningful to a relief pitcher as a three-legged dog in a cat-chasing contest. Do you really know baseball? Because I KNOW you didn’t just tell me that ERA was more important for a relief pitcher than leads held or saves.

Listen, sonny, I have watched more Braves games than days you have probably been alive and every year…nah, every GAME in the 90’s it was the same thing. Our starting pitching would be AWESOME, getting us into the 8th or 9th and then I would hold my breath. The bullpen screwed things up for us more times than I can count.

by Chief Knockahomer on Dec 21, 2010 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

So you feel like sharing blown saves, lost leads...

or whatever category “the Braves bullpen lead the NL in 2 of those 7 years”? Or are you keeping them to yourself? How about in the other 5 of those 7? If you’re going to call the man out for his numbers, it’d be nice if you’d at least bring some of your own to prove your point.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 21, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

OK, fine:

The Braves had the fewest blown saves in the majors from 1993-1999 (not counting the D-backs and D-rays who started in 1998):

Braves: 102
Tigers: 103
Angels: 104
Orioles: 106
Marlins: 108

Considering that they had a lot more leads to hold than most of those other teams, that’s pretty damn good, no?

And as for your argument against ERA, I agree that it doesn’t work for relievers on a small scale. However, the sample size here is nearly 2,600 innings. Surely you’d agree that 2,600 innings is a sufficient sample for ERA to be meaningful? And besides, FIP does not have the same sample-size issues.

Your memory is faulty. It’s time that you realized that.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Dec 21, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Also,

I watched nearly all of the Braves games in the ‘90s. I may be young enough to be your "sonny", but it’s not like we’re talking about the Braves’ bullpens from the 1960s. I saw the Braves bullpens from the 90s.

Honestly, I don’t remember them as being that great, either (I thought they were pretty good, but hardly the best). But here’s the thing about bullpens: we remember their failures much more than we remember their successes. Since every bullpen fails, and fails many times, it is all too easy to think that a bullpen is worse than it actually is. That’s why we have facts like statistics—to help us learn when our memories are being selective so that we can correct our perceptions.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Dec 21, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

If it wasn't the bullpen, then why exactly did we only win 1 WS during the 90's?

In every year but one from 1993 to 1999 (the years we are talking about, here), the Braves bullpen didn’t come close to total number of appearances in games…yet they lead MLB (not just the NL) in number of appearances by a member of the bullpen to not record at least 3 outs in a given appearance. Not that big of a deal, you say, as Bobby was always fond of the quick hook for one reason or the other. HOWEVER, when you factor in that the Braves were always in the bottom third in number of inherited runners allowed to score (including leading the NL two of those years), you have only one of two possible explanations: 1) Bobby was an idiot who simply loved playing the percentages instead of trusting his gut (and I DARE you to say that on this site); or 2) the more plausible explanation – Bobby KNEW his bullpen was shit and he kept putting guys in there in the hopes that they could just…please…just this once…get one guy out. I’m going with option #2.

Go ahead, ASK Bobby why the juggernaut that WAS the Braves of the 90’s only won one little WS ring. Do you think it was his hitters not producing timely hits? If so, then why did you just quote me, MR. STATS, that the Braves led MLB in fewest blown saves during this time? Was it because we were always ahead? Well, yeah…but it was also because someone…and it wasn’t ever the first bullpen loser Bobby ever threw out there…ended up getting the win or save thanks to our hitters’ comeback abilities. We had nobody’s like Lonnie Smith and Francisco Cabrera winning us games in the bottom of the 9th and beyond!

Face it, dude, you yourself admitted that you don’t remember them being that good. Now, because the stats tell YOU differently (not me), you are willing to change your perception of them? As the Monday Night Football cast says every 14 minutes before kickoff…“Come on, man!”

by Chief Knockahomer on Dec 21, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Logic and reasoning...

Are skills you may be lacking.

This guy’s pretty much beaten you to a pulp with stats that ARE viable, and you fail to see that.

Any 5 or 7-game series is a toss-up that is predicated on small sample size. A hot team can win any given series, regardless of how good their opponent is.

Regardless of these yearly anomalies, our pitching staff was clearly one of the best of the decade over a huge sample size, and no argument you make, statistical or observed, is going to supersede the overwhelming amount of evidence already presented supporting our bullpen’s dominance during that time period.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Dec 21, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"

"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."

by Doghnut on Dec 21, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

So many things...

wrong with this post.

Most important of all, the reason why the Braves only won one championship is because it’s a tournament. Too many factors of luck, bad calls impacting games far greater in 5 and 7 game series than over the course of a season, etc.

I always say, “Yeah, but we still got that one. And oh yeah, how are Pirates fans doing these days? Cubbies?”

by yucavich on Dec 21, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

So many things...wrong with the Braves fans on this post.

Is THAT how everyone sleeps at night knowing all the opportunities missed. We just got unlucky…8 out of 10 times…in the 90’s alone. Got it.

by Chief Knockahomer on Dec 21, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Umm yes, exactly.

“10 times” is not a huge sample size.

If we were in the playoffs 14 straight years in the pre-wildcard days, then yes, that would be really bad to have only won 1 WS. But we’re talking about doubling the amount of teams that make it to the playoffs. When teams with 2 aces like the 01 Diamondbacks with Schilling/Johnson can just coast through the playoffs even though their team wasn’t the best.

It’s a lot different now from your day Chief. It’s all about money and TV ratings, which is why more teams are included in the playoffs, which is why luck and other factors come into play a lot more. You would probably agree with me that returning to the old 4 team format would be good, right? I wished I lived in those days, but playoff expansion is only going to increase unfortunately.

by yucavich on Dec 21, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I LOVE how we have all these statisticians out today!

OK. You honor who you want to honor as a “great” Brave (past or present), and I’ll honor who I want to honor as a “great” Brave (past and present). At present, my list of current and former “great” Braves does not have a single relief pitcher on it past 1980 (and, no, I am not counting Bruce Sutter…for obvious reasons).

by Chief Knockahomer on Dec 21, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep changing the argument...

No one has said that McMichael is a “Braves great.” All anyone has said is that the bullpen as a whole during that era was great (then qualified that statement with a significant amount of statistical evidence) and that McMichael was one of the bullpen leaders at that time.

Fact is that you’ve been wrong throughout the entirety of this, and you keep blaming something else for your error. First it’s the stats’ fault, then look at blown saves. Looked at blown saves, you were wrong, and you move on to another topic, i.e. WS RINGZ, and your argument is poor, now you’re trying to make the another argument out of one that didn’t even exist (stating that anyone said McMichael is one of THE Braves greats).

At some point, you’ve got to cut your losses. There’s no shame in saying, “Hey, fellas…I remember it differently, but it looks like you just might be right after all.”

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Dec 21, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

This calls for a

ZING!!!!!

Chip Caray: SWING AND A DRIVE, BELTED RIGHT…..and McCann makes the catch by the dugout.

by Hudson's Soul Patch on Dec 21, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude...

I didn’t even give you stats! I talked specifically about playoff format and gave qualitative reasons as to why the Braves only won 1 WS. Quit arguing for the sake of arguing.

Now…onto this. Very VERY few RP’s get credited with great “honor.” Look at the HOF…how many closers are in there? I don’t even know but it can’t be more than 5 or so. And that’s just closers. Middle relief and setup men are even more forgettable. It takes an interview like this for people to start talking about a guy like McMichael again where they say, “Oh yeah, I remember that guy.” Fans appreciate interviews like this because it helps them retain some of the past.

by yucavich on Dec 21, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The point:

you missed it. Completely.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Dec 21, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You sound ridiculous. And credibility you might have had was completely taken away by how you chose to frame your argument.

I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
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by cbwilk on Dec 21, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

look, this site’s readership comprises a good balance of stat-geeks, eye-freaks, and many folks who are a combination of the two. the contrasts of these viewpoints and how they are eventually reconciled (or sometimes, not) in these forums makes for good discussion. i usually see well-constructed, intelligent arguments made on behalf of each side. getting angry at someone about their point of view does NOT make good discussion. it just looks nasty and doesn’t accomplish anything.

by brndn on Dec 21, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This.

Rec’d.

/End thread.

"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel

by Scott Coleman on Dec 21, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually think that this had been a productive discussion,

despite the Chief’s attacks and illogic. It’s worthwhile for all of us to re-evaluate our perceptions from time to time. Before this, who on here would have guessed that the Braves had a great bullpen in the mid-to-late 90s? Not many, I’d wager.

We have kind of gone down a rabbit hole since that point was made, but it’s a very worthwhile one.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Dec 21, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

how clever...

"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"

"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."

by Doghnut on Dec 21, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

just as clever as McOut

"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."

Dwight Schrute

by Swo12bv on Dec 21, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Go back to rotting underneath your bridge, troll.

The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.

by TonyAlmeyda on Dec 21, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t you have a Phillies forum to post on somewhere? I think you’ve embarrassed yourself enough for one day.

Merry Christmas.

by 2Brave2Bscared on Dec 25, 2010 5:19 AM EST up reply actions  

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