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For New Braves Second Baseman Dan Uggla, It Really Is All About Turner Field

I keep seeing where people say or write that new Atlanta Braves second baseman Dan Uggla is a good career hitter at Turner Field, but they don't seem to be saying it with enough confidence. I wanted to see if he was just as good against Braves pitching wherever he played, or if was really The Ted. When I saw the results my eyes just about bugged out of my head:


AB
H
HR
BA
OBP
SLG
OPS
vs. Braves in Florida
174
38
11
.218
.285
.460
.745
vs. Braves at Turner Field
181
64
12
.354
.399
.652
1.051

Yeah, WOW! He really is a better hitter at Turner Field, even against a Braves pitching staff that has limited him in Florida. The home runs are similar, but that is just about the only thing that stays the same.

Certainly this could be a product of luck. The SSS crew will rightly point out that less that 200 plate appearances is not enough to really judge a trend, but I see it as a good sign. A sign that he might really like the hitters background at Turner Field. A sign that he has confidence hitting there, as opposed to a history of not hitting well at his new home ballpark.

We'll have to wait until next season to see if he continues to rake in Hot-lanta, but until then we can be excited about the prospect that he will.

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You know your favorite sports team just pulled off a hell of a deal...

when you wake up two mornings in a row and you still can’t believe the trade happened.

I’m so motherf’ing excited for the 2011 season.

"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel

by Scott Coleman on Nov 18, 2010 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

The same thing has been happening to me….then I come on here and start reading comments and all, and it finally hits me, WE GOT DAN F’ING UGGLA!!!

"Everybody's hurt in this league, so when guys go out, other guys have to step in. What are we going to do, cry wolf? Nobody cares about the pain, they just want to see the baby." - Cowboys LB Bradie James

by -Primetime21- on Nov 18, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I have told several friends more than once that the Braves traded for Uggla and for next to nothing. I’m still in disbelief.

I think the next fan confidence poll should have a lot of 9 and 10. How could you not?

by Sparhawk on Nov 18, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Still some depth questions, and there’s always Nate in CF.

by king of games on Nov 18, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

That being said, I have a feeling Nate is going to have a huge year and make us all eat our words and choke on them.

by king of games on Nov 18, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if he bounces back at the plate....

…I’m still not sure if the runs he’s likely gonna cost the team on defense would be worth having him in CF on a regular basis.

by Undocorkscrew on Nov 18, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

this

and the offseason basically just began

by Braves24 on Nov 18, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Can’t wait to see the whole season there. It sure as heck ain’t the heat.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
~Earl Wilson

by BeantownVol on Nov 18, 2010 4:13 PM EST reply actions  

I always felt like Uggla destroyed us. I’m so glad we got him.

by Braves Biceps on Nov 18, 2010 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

Thats because he did ha

makes me feel better about playing the marlins too

Shark in the water.

by AvoidTheDolphin on Nov 18, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

uggla is a 5 win player for us just by sitting on the bench with how much he beat us with the marlins.

MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."

Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.

by telemakhos on Nov 18, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Opinions....

Assuming the Fish add a starter like Garland, Vazquez, or Pavano and that they make no more moves, do you see the 2011 team being a stronger team than they were this past season?

I say yes. They lost Uggla, but will be getting full years out of Stanton and Morrison, as well as a competent catcher(something they haven’t had in ages). I think Coghlan will be moving back to his normal position at 2B, Infante at 3B. So I think their defense, at least in the infield, will be a bit better as well.

Coghlan
Morrison
Hanley
Stanton
Sanchez
Buck
Infante
Bonifacio?

Not a terrible lineup at all.

Johnson, Nolasco, Sanchez, Sanabia, FA or trade(again, assuming it’s one of those 3 guys or a similar starter)……..doesn’t look too bad either. The pen was a huge issue last year and they’ve gotten some decent pieces for it over the past week.

I say they’ll be a better all-around club.

by Undocorkscrew on Nov 18, 2010 5:14 PM EST reply actions  

Vaild points

They have some of the better scouts in baseball aswell and should be ok. But by ok i mean settling for 3rd place with the mets and nats hahaa.

"Just WiN Baby"

by SkipTOoMyL0U_ on Nov 18, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Fact is

Marlins didn’t value Dan I mean 4yrs – $48million is an insulting offer for a guy that has done as much over the past for season’s as Dan Uggla has done for the Fish in Miami. So Uggla in return give them such a crazy counter offer of five yrs $71 million and wouldn’t back down from it. When dealing with the Braves I feel it is not going to be near that expensive to keep him here for the next 4-5 seasons.

Marlins got something for what they were going to lose anyways. Braves though got a wonderful freaking trade. Marlins got robbed, even if the Braves gave Dan a 5yr 55-60 million dollar deal that is steal now even half of what he would get on the free agent market after the 2011 season is done.

Get this done Mr. Wren I don’t wanna here about how Uggla was just I one year player, Uggla wants to be here after his XM sports radio broadcasting comments and we need to keep him here in ATL for the next 4-5 seasons with Chipper done after this coming season if he makes it all the way back.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 19, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

5 years, 55-60 million for Uggla...

…would be something really stupid for the Braves to do. Given his age, the last two or three years of that contract would be horrible. Someone will be stupid and give it to him on the market. We should take the season and take the draft picks with Uggla.

by cavebird on Nov 19, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure they'll be getting that competent of a catcher

This is the first full season Buck has actually been good offensively and it was on a team that was just loaded with ridiculously inflated power numbers. His average was a mirage based on a .335 BABIP (career .289), the power is decent but not nearly that good, he strikes out a ton, and the walk rate is low and getting lower. I give it until the All-Star break before they’re regretting that deal.

by was385 on Nov 19, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

They may regret the length and dollars...

…and I’m not a Buck fan at all, but he is clearly an upgrade over what they’ve been throwing out there these past few years. He’s not a butcher behind the plate and brings at least average offensive production for that position.

by Undocorkscrew on Nov 19, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with the first 2 posters. Dan Uggla for Omar and Mike Dunn – freaking unbelievable.
Ranks right up there with the Renteria trade as one of FW’s masterstrokes. The Braves offense just got whole lot better. Can’t wait for Spring training!

by phiz50 on Nov 18, 2010 5:17 PM EST reply actions  

Still in Awe...

Soo im thinking my man crush on sir Uggla is stilll in full effect. Question tho, any news on what number he will be wearing? They say he’s more than glad and honor bobby by not wearing no.6. Soo any news as far as that goes??

"Just WiN Baby"

by SkipTOoMyL0U_ on Nov 18, 2010 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

Wikipedia has his number as 7.

The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.

by TonyAlmeyda on Nov 18, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

7

Help us all forget about Failcoeur… I love me some Uggla

"I wasn’t thinking about it. That’s the worst celebration of all time. I didn’t know what to do. I got lost in the moment." - Brian McCann

by HansonManCrush on Nov 18, 2010 8:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I thought the same exact thing lol.

"Just WiN Baby"

by SkipTOoMyL0U_ on Nov 18, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

No! Number 7 is a curse! A CUUUUURSEEEE

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Nov 19, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

No.26 it is

I bet conrad had no say in that either lol

"Just WiN Baby"

by SkipTOoMyL0U_ on Nov 20, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Regarding the hitting data and SSS's

A couple of points:
1. In general, the Braves pitching staff has to be acknowledged as at least ‘above average’ during Uggla’s first years in the league. This suggests to me that he’s outperformed the norm at The Ted, and probably isn’t worse than average at the Fish Tank.
2. In the Marlins’ lineups, there are two guys that — perennially — you want to go after in the hopes that they won’t beat you: Hanley and Uggla. Despite that emphasis, Uggla has been beating the Braves — at least in Atlanta.
3. I wouldn’t call those numbers ‘small samples’ — each of the splits represents nearly a third of a year. And even so, the disparity is SO wide that it boggles the mind. Suppose you tripled the ABs, yet had no home/away difference (.287 – the average overall) for all of those extra ABs. He would STILL have a noticeable differential of over 45 points in Atlanta vs. Miami based on the prior data.

That suggests the “Vlad Effect” to me: go get the guy who’s been crushing the ball against you and hope he continues doing it in your home park.

Bobby Cox, advising Jeff Francoeur about being thrown out of a game: "you’ll probably have to write a $500 check. Or you can do what I do, write a $10,000 one and tell them when it runs out, let me know."

by carpengui on Nov 18, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

Harold Reynolds and company are mad that Felix won the Cy Young. Their justification is utterly laughable. MLB Network needs a more stat-savvy crew than the world-wide leader.

Morgan: Do you think I could come into the clubhouse after the game and display my ass for both those veterans and the younger guys?

Baker: Well, Joe, you are on the payroll of the team, and you're a legend, so I suppose — holy shit!

[Joe has appeared next to Dusty, in the dugout, completely naked]

Morgan: Hey.

by TradeAndruw on Nov 18, 2010 6:56 PM EST reply actions  

Baseball Tonight has become damn near unwatchable. I'll take MLBN 100 times out of 100.

"If you were going to make a Mount Rushmore of managers, Bobby's one of them."
-Mike Scioscia

by The Keith Lockhart Era on Nov 18, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

That said, Harold Reynolds isn't exactly Bob Costas.

"If you were going to make a Mount Rushmore of managers, Bobby's one of them."
-Mike Scioscia

by The Keith Lockhart Era on Nov 18, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

This.

Costas is a god. Reynolds is not. Anyone who tries to say Felix didn’t deserve it obviously has their heads so far up their asses that they smell their own farts five minutes before we hear them.

ATTENTION CITIZENS: DAN UGGLA IS NOT A THIRD BASEMAN. That is all.

by J-Freak on Nov 19, 2010 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

costas is a horrible rambling fool. He’d be better commentating for a macy’s parade than a baseball game. Also, reynolds is terrible.

MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."

Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.

by telemakhos on Nov 19, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

He always gives some pretty fair insights if u ask me. One of the reason i watch mlb network after baseball tonight let him go. Felix on pretty much any other team would have easily had 18-20 wins.

"Just WiN Baby"

by SkipTOoMyL0U_ on Nov 20, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I love Dan Uggla as a hitter,

but I’ll believe that he’s actually better at Turner Field when he has more than about 1/2 season’s worth of PAs there. If this were Arizona or Colorado and you could easily explain the difference, it’d be one thing… But for the life of me, I can’t think of any reason why he’d hit better here than in FLA. In his career he has almost no home/road split, so it’s not that he hates hitting in FLA… and his BABIP in Atlanta is crazy high.

Another thing I’m curious about is how his numbers will look when you replace his PAs vs. Atlanta with ones vs. FLA. He has just killed Hudson and Lowe the past few years in particular—maybe he loves hitting against sinkerballers—and replacing those PAs with ones from the Marlins’ staff (all of whom are around league average in GB/FB) may hurt his numbers.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Nov 18, 2010 8:11 PM EST reply actions  

Signing Uggla - Now the Braves have the worst defensive infield in baseball

Your fielding is pretty bad when Brooks Conrad is a defensive improvement.

by SBFalcon101 on Nov 18, 2010 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed Time to find a good Utility IF off the bench for the late Innings

Uggla does lack IF-defensive ability but 30+ homeruns and 100+ RBI’s is something that makes his lack of a glove easier to look at. Uggla has created a buzz around this time and excitement that hasn’t been their until the previously ended season with a early postseason exit but a wonderful ride for Cox’s final year. I JUST WANT UGGLA SIGNED LONG TERM ASAP FRANK WREN. I mean as soon as he gets off the boat or plane from Mexico Wren should greet him with a five year contract extenstion. PERIOD !

T.P. was a S#$! hitting coach but he was an good IF in his hey day as a MLB regular and can help Uggla with the Mitt. Still at Utility IF such as A. Everett for around 1.5 million would be nice and is a need. Also bringing back E. Hinske is another good move since he can play LF and 1B and is a key bench player that is no very much needed still in the end I believe we go the W. Helms route b/c he is cheaper than Hinske and he can backup Chipper and Freeman, plus in a pinch Helms could run out to LF , he did it for a few times his first stint in ATL. J. Mather, D. Ross, B. Conrad are all locks to return to ATL bench in 2011 however we still need a good bench hitter / OF and a Utility IF . Hinkse and Everett each should just get one year deals worth around $1.5 each and be done with it. Also resigning J. Thurston for IF minor league depth would be a good insurance move as well.

As for CF, really if we are not gonna try and get upton from the Rays we should just see if Nate can come back within the first three mths of the season and if not then ship him off for a decent CF to get by with for the rest of the 2011 season. Nate is due for a huge rebound year however, although I am still doubting him like many on here and why not after last season. Plus if Nate’s struggles we have a young M. Young just dying for chance to be in ATL asap.

Also forget about getting Benoit from the free agent market just got locked up today : Link below
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/tigers-reach-agreement-with-joaquin-benoit.html

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 19, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Five years from now.

Uggla will not be a good player. We do not want any part of giving him a five-year extension. Uggla came up to the majors when he was older. He’ll be a free agent next offseason for the first time heading into his age 32 season. We don’t want to give him more than three years and he will insist on more (because he is smart, he knows that after three years he’ll never get the same money he would now).

by cavebird on Nov 19, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

We do need a good defensive UT inflielder, however.

Especially one that plays SS, because Gonzo can’t play every inning of every game. Second base is not that big a concern to me; if we want to make the defensive switch, we bring in a good defensive OF for left, take Uggla out, and move Prado to second.

As for BJ Upton, we don’t have the salary room after getting Uggla.

by cavebird on Nov 19, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty Good Splits

Maybe he’ll name his next kid Turner?

/Chippered

by vooodooo on Nov 19, 2010 9:31 AM EST reply actions  

let's make it more than 200 ABs

Let’s say Uggla had exactly 201 ABs in Florida and Atlanta, and for the sake of his potential to “break the trend”, let’s take the extreme route and say he went 27-for-27 in Florida and 0-for-20 in Atlanta. His average at each stadium would then be:
Florida: .323 avg
Atlanta: .318 avg
So, even in the most extreme condition, an 0-for-20 streak, which would never happen with a hitter like Uggla, who doesn’t ever have a stretch of more than 10 or so ABs without a hit AND a strikeout, he’d still be a great hitter in Atlanta…and obviously a 27-for-27 streak would make you a “great hitter” in any ballpark.
There are other things to look at though. What were the splits for the Braves’ pitchers he faced for ATL vs FLA, Home vs Away, etc. He may have faced a great deal of pitchers who just simply pitch better in Florida. However, I doubt it.
I’ve always remembered Uggla tearing us up at home, so let’s all hope he can continue hitting the seams off the ball when he comes to play for us!

Far be it from me to boast, except in the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world was crucified to me, and I to the world.

by elevenforbraves on Nov 19, 2010 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

Uggla's like Conrad

Except way better.
They both:
Play 2B
Are brolic
Are short
Hit bombbsssss
Dont hit for much of an AVG

4/4/10
The Braves will win 90 games this year.

BEEMER BENZ OR BENTLY

by nick9314 on Nov 19, 2010 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

Uggla

I know it’s heresy to fight the Interwebz memes, but can someone actually provide some statistical evidence for the belief that Uggla will take an offensive nose dive in his mid-30s? That seems to be the CW, but I don’t see any significant danger signs in his BB%, K%, or other key categories (ISO has remained strong, even playing half his games in Fla.).

And no, “his is the sort of body that does not age well” is not statistical evidence.

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Nov 19, 2010 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

It's hard to provide statistical evidence when one guesses....

….and it’s just a guess, really. But it’s one that makes sense. His defense is already pretty terrible, and with age, a player’s range obviously gets worse. But yeah, there’s nothing I can say that you already don’t know.

I think he’ll remain an offensive threat in his mid-30’s, but it’s not likely to come from the 2B position.

by Undocorkscrew on Nov 19, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

It makes sense, but I was just wondering if there was something in Uggla’s #s I wasn’t seeing.

But yes, obviously 2Bs that are already defensively suspect at age 30 probably won’t age well. I just feel like the meme on this one has morphed from the typical “guys who play the pivot don’t age well” to “Uggla is about to fall off a cliff,” which I personally don’t see.

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Nov 19, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

It think it's more body type and style of play...

that leads people to think of Mo Vaughan, among others.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 19, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

That's crazy

Uggla’s 5’10, 200 lbs. Vaughan had over 50 lbs. on him.

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Nov 19, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Ladies and gents, your new second baseman...

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Nov 19, 2010 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t know if anyone watches wrestling, but Uggla looks like Randy Orton when he first started.

by dlkinser86 on Nov 22, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

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