Braves Quote For The Day #2 ... Uggla Wants To Stay In Atlanta
by Scott Coleman on Nov 17, 2010 4:08 PM EST
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PrintDan Uggla went on XM radio today and had this to say when asked about joining the Braves:
"It's definitely a spot where I could see myself playing out the rest of my career."
"(The trade) is a best case scenario for me...Extremely happy that I was traded to an organization like the Braves."
While I don't think he'll be spending the rest of his career in Atlanta -- unless Uggla decides to call it career when he's 34 or 35 -- count me in as someone who would like Uggla to come back for a few years once 2011 is up, assuming he produces offensively and isn't totally awful in the field.
Reports said he turned down 4 years and $48M from the Marlins and then requested an enormous 5 year, $71M deal, but at this point it sounds more and more like Uggla just wanted out of Florida and didn't care about the money. It's publicly known he wasn't happy when the Fish let go of his good friend Cody Ross and it's ironic Uggla would ask for $1M more than what Hanley Ramirez got on his last contract. Something tells me they don't really like each other...
Anyways, this is a good debate for the at least the next few weeks. Uggla will have a huge role on the 2011 team and he probably has two or three good years left in him until he starts to rapidly decline. Do the Braves attempt to extend him for two or three years to anchor our lineup, or do they let him go after just one season, save the money and get the two draft picks? He's from the area and there's a chance he would take a hometown discount to remain in Atlanta.
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Ideally, if Chipper calls it quits at the end of the year, and Prado continues to progress, it would be great to have him for another 2-3 years, at the right price. We still have a few pitchers and an outfielder we need to lock up.
by thenightstallion on Nov 17, 2010 4:11 PM EST reply actions
I thought reports said that he was seeking 5 years and 71 million, but he turned down 4 years and 48 million from Florida. But, I agree with you. I think that he would take less salary to play in Atlanta, and that one of his primary motivators for turning down that contract was his desire to leave Florida.
Just my thoughts, not that I know the man. But logic would dictate that you don’t turn down nearly 50 million guaranteed when you’re his age.
I hate the Phillies so much...
You're right
"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel
by Scott Coleman on Nov 17, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
That’s 4 years too many if you’re optimistic, 5 if you’re realistic.
ATTENTION CITIZENS: DAN UGGLA IS NOT A THIRD BASEMAN. That is all.
Florida actually offered too much
I would be okay with Atlanta offering to extend him for 5 years/50 mil, but Uggla really doesn’t deserve much more than that. As many have noticed, his defense is not good. With Hudson & Lowe starting, that infield is going to get a lot of groundballs, making Uggla somewhat of a liability. Of course, his power is necessary for this team, but if you’re paying someone over $10 mil a year, they should be able to have at least somewhat of a positive presence at their position.
I would need
More money to play for a terrible organization, but be willing to take less from an organization that wants to win.
It just baffles me why the Marlins do what they do. They have a lot of pieces to build around to be a winning team, but yet get rid of them. I could not root for a team like that. Well maybe, I am a Bengals fan and Mike Brown sucks fat hog.
This is similar to what I was thinking
I wondered if he:
1) wanted out of the hellhole that is the Florida Marlins, so asked for an outrageous deal
and
b) would be willing to take a discount or that same 4 yr deal from a contender like the Braves. Not even thinking of a “hometown” discount, tho I thought I read his fam was from Tenn.
and yes, I said 1 and b on purpose, before I get flamed for it lol
I knew 2 things about baseball as a 6 year old: I liked the braves and the Phil’s fans were douches.
by MartinMcFly on Aug 18, 2010 6:46 PM EDT
Columbia TN
Just south of Nashville, about 3.5-4 hrs from the Ted.
Free Matt Young!
Not only does Dan Uggla not like Hanley Ramirez, he can’t stand to be anywhere near him. Uggla is a great person and a great competitor and Ramirez is a whiney baby. This trade is fantastic.
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by cbwilk on Nov 17, 2010 4:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This This This This,
"If you were going to make a Mount Rushmore of managers, Bobby's one of them."
-Mike Scioscia
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Nov 17, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
See how the year plays out, start talking extension at the break if things are going well.
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As with the mystical magical Upton trade,
What’s the price? What’s it going to cost?
I hate the Phillies so much...
It's beyond annoying already....
Tim Dierkes thinks that a package of Gabby Sanchez, Ricky Nolasco, and two mid-tier prospects could get it done. Dave Cameron today was quoted as saying that a package of Jurrjens, Delgado, Vizcaino, and Prado ’wouldn’t even get you in the park.’
Crazy stuff.
by Undocorkscrew on Nov 17, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Dave Cameron today was quoted as saying that a package of Jurrjens, Delgado, Vizcaino, and Prado ’wouldn’t even get you in the park.’
LOL… let me speak for everybody when i say…. SCREW THAT!
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it was the Beyond Baseball commercial that did it
lol
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
someone post the pelican
bc I saw what you did there…
I knew 2 things about baseball as a 6 year old: I liked the braves and the Phil’s fans were douches.
by MartinMcFly on Aug 18, 2010 6:46 PM EDT
I'll have to check the handbook...
…but I don’t think that comment warrants a Pelican. Truth, but not Pelican.
Don't kiss an ass if it's in the process of shitting on you.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
Idiotic
Some writer at MLBTR said it would take Hanson, Freeman, Minor and Teheran. Maybe if you were trading for 5 years of Pujols at $50 million, but not for Juston Upton for 5 years at $50 million. Being owed that kind of money makes him a serious financial liability. Upton has officially become the most overrated player in baseball.
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I need a good laugh.
I hate the Phillies so much...
by frozendesert on Nov 17, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
4 former elite prospects for 1 former elite prospect? I just don’t see how upton is worth that. I think that guy is on crack.
MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."
Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.
I'd say that just Hanson for J. Upton would be overpaying
And the rest of that package “doesn’t get us in the park?” Not that MLBTR stuff is worth it’s weight in Francoeur Mets jerseys, but if that is anywhere near the case, Kevin Towers might as well quit trying to trim Upton’s part of the payroll.
"If you were going to make a Mount Rushmore of managers, Bobby's one of them."
-Mike Scioscia
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Nov 17, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Wow...
Yeah…so much for that idea. BJ is available though, and he’s much cheaper.
Eddie V
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Cameron also said
it would likely have to start with something along the lines of Hanson, Teheran and Freeman… and the Braves would have to throw someone else in.
if he believes that this is what Towers would ask for and wouldn’t budge from, ok, i might buy it…
if he believes this is what he’s actually worth, then someone needs to lay off the pipe
According to Cameron
Upton would receive upwards of 5 years/$100 million if he were a free agent this offseason. Highly spurious. For a player who has never OPSed over .900 and doesn’t play a premium position?
Yes, if he was a FA...
Upton would probably get a 10 yr deal, worth probably over $150m and nearing $200m.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
he OPSd 899 in 2009…thats pretty darn good….also he is an above avg defender in RF….he is without a ceiling…is 23….at his worst he posted a wOBA of 347 (and a 799 OPS)…he is so talented its ridiculous…and has started to put his tools to use….
if you don’t thinkhe is great that is fine, but don’t say things like he hasn’t posted a 900 OPS yet. bc first he was as close as you can get, and he is really good and can do everything you want on a baseball field.
FYI only 14 players posted a 900 OPS this year…so to be in that group is pretty significant.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
lol, the Marlins crack me up.
Just the fact that they amde it easy for us to end up with Fredi AND Uggla is, kind of nuts, to say the least.
I’m with the guys on MLB Network….who the heck is going to be playing for the Fish when their new field is ready? Maybe look into cloning Hanley.
They had a formidable team, that is pretty much gone, now. Leave it to the Fish.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2010 4:41 PM EST reply actions
I still like their lineup
It’s young, but solid
A Josh Smith jump shot is a permanent heat check
by a hooter's baby on Nov 17, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
still not sold….I’m not sure if he is gonna walk enough or if he will ever fix his contact issues. but is supposedly a good defender and has 80 power, so he’s definitely got the talent.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
True
But the contact issues become more pressing for them if he turns into another Mark Reynolds type.
"If you were going to make a Mount Rushmore of managers, Bobby's one of them."
-Mike Scioscia
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Nov 18, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
i was thinking about that last night...
you know it’s gonna be a little weird the first time they see each other in their new uni’s and sit in their new dugout…just the irony, i guess
"Now, I'm gonna go get off my horse by getting onto a smaller horse, and then onto a large dog, until I'm near enough to the ground to roll off."
by Bravely going forward on Nov 17, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
because as much as people still Infante shit, he carried the team this year at one point, and was just an all-around solid guy, very “underrated” you might say, imo.
Viva El Uggla
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
lol. fuck. “people still give Infante shit…”
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
well, in their defense, there is a significant rain delay every other game, on avergage, down there.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
would be a stretch for us to go more than 3
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'd do a 3/40 right now
That gets him like $13M a year and it gets him out of Atlanta when he’s 33, which is when he’ll start to decline. I know we’d probably be overpaying a bit, but if Gnome is gonna accept anything less than 4 or 5 years, we’ll have to increase the money.
"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel
by Scott Coleman on Nov 17, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think he would take 3 with the Braves. given his recent comments.
he wanted out of Florida. he knew they were Fucked, in general.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
I seriously doubt that.
Given his age, after 2011 he gets his only real payday. He might take a discount to stay in Atlanta, but losing a year is losing the full value of that year, because he won’t sniff that kind of money at 35 or so. He will probably decide (correctly) that someone will give him too many years next offseason when he is a free agent to resign for something significantly less than he’ll get as a free agent. It is probably in the best interest of the Braves and Uggla that Uggla be a rental. A year of Uggla and two draft picks is still a sweet return for one year of Infante and Dunn.
But why would Uggla want to become a free agent right when he’s starting to decline? I think 4 years $50Mish would be a fine compromise.
by king of games on Nov 17, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
That's simple.
Because he’ll never have a better time to become a free agent again. Given his power and his position, someone will overpay him. Let them do that and give us their draft pick. I’ll be happy with that. I just wish it was a year later—-then we get an extra draft pick (maybe first round) in a year when a certain J. Heyward is a high school senior. Not that I am salivating over a guy who just started his sophmore year in high school or anything, but….
I like the way you think.
"If you were going to make a Mount Rushmore of managers, Bobby's one of them."
-Mike Scioscia
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Nov 18, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Offer him 4 @ $48M....Same as Marlins offered
If he accepts it watch Jeffrey Loria go off! That’d be great!
"Everybody's hurt in this league, so when guys go out, other guys have to step in. What are we going to do, cry wolf? Nobody cares about the pain, they just want to see the baby." - Cowboys LB Bradie James
how aboot 4 at 44?
:)
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
4/47.9
Spend the last 100k on a farewell gift to Bobby
by sexbobomb on Nov 17, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This would just be cruel….but hilarious
"Everybody's hurt in this league, so when guys go out, other guys have to step in. What are we going to do, cry wolf? Nobody cares about the pain, they just want to see the baby." - Cowboys LB Bradie James
by -Primetime21- on Nov 17, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I like it
"Everybody's hurt in this league, so when guys go out, other guys have to step in. What are we going to do, cry wolf? Nobody cares about the pain, they just want to see the baby." - Cowboys LB Bradie James
by -Primetime21- on Nov 17, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Lmao..Living in Florida i would get my far chance to see Uggla when the Bravos would come down and this is a pretty sweet pick up. Also being only second too Pujols in RBi’s and homers in the past 4 years out of 5 i say, 4 to 5 somewhere between 40-50 is perfect. All hail Mr.Wren.
"Just WiN Baby"
by SkipTOoMyL0U_ on Nov 17, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Rajai Davis to Toronto
Good. I didn’t want him in Atlanta anyways. I know a few of you did, so there’s that for you…
"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel
BFD. He would have solved nothing anyway. Is he really an upgrade for McLouth? We have every reason to aim higher.
ATTENTION CITIZENS: DAN UGGLA IS NOT A THIRD BASEMAN. That is all.
As I said, I didn’t want him. You’re preaching to the choir.
"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel
by Scott Coleman on Nov 17, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
If the Jays want to contend...
he’ll be their fourth OF—-he is good for that role on a contender. Same as he would have been for us. They didn’t give up much (two minor league relievers) so the deal made sense to both teams. Good for them—-I won’t lose any sleep either, he wasn’t the answer to our problems. Plenty of guys are just as good or better and cheaper in the role he should fill for a contending team.
Agreed, glad the Jays get him as a consolation prize
We can do better in the OF than that.
"If you were going to make a Mount Rushmore of managers, Bobby's one of them."
-Mike Scioscia
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Nov 18, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Easy fix
Offer him a deal of
4/53
With an mutual option for a 5th year
2011- 11 million
2012- 13 million
2013- 14 million
2014- 15 million
2015- 16 million or 2 million buy out. if we decline or $500k if he declines
I just had the exact same idea !
Just was about to post something similar, luv it mauck98. If this deal was presented to Uggla I believe he would jump at it. Still if he wanted the 5th year include offer him 5yr’s $58 million and be done with it.
GLAD TO HAVE UGGLA IN ATL; best power hitter we have had since The Crime Dog and this trade is similar, except Freddie was acquired for a bunch of prospects that amounted to nothing, but at the time where viewed pretty high by the Padres whom had or forced to cut payroll.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 17, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
I would just like to point out that since Fred left these players have all played in ATL and hit over 30 HR….Andres Gallaraga, Sheffield, Drew, Javy, and CHipper and Andruw…..I would say Uggle is the best power hitter we have had since Drew…because that was the last time we had a real power threat.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
Wow. Even when pointing out a fail, you fail. Andruw was the last power threat we had; Drew was in 04. In 05 Andruw had that monster year with 51 HRs and a .922 OPS.
ATTENTION CITIZENS: DAN UGGLA IS NOT A THIRD BASEMAN. That is all.
Well technically Andruw was here until 2007 and he hit 41 HR….in 2006 so in pointing out that i failed in pointing out a fail…you failed….
well player Mauer
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
ALL you Stats guys kill me
Just be excited about the Trade, and quite bitching about your little facts/stats sheets. Everyone on here is so defensive, so ready to point out other faults on posting and defend themselves to the end. Be happy we got Uggla, be happy you a now a favorite to actually be contending for a couple of more years.
STOP BEING SO DAMN DEFENSIVE ON HERE IT IS GETTING OLD, SERIOUSLY SOME OF YOU GUYS ON ON HERE, every min of the day. Do you not work ? Most of my posts come early afternoon since I work early mornings mostly everday .
Some of you stats nerds need to get back to work and quite looking up random baseball stats most of you no nothing of true baseball anyways, heck doubt most on here have ever even been to a ATL game in person. Being going since I was 12 years old here, and will continue to go every season for complete series.
Site just seriously makes me laugh, this is not point the finger at one person but if you fit this mold I described above then perhaps you should chill for a while with your stats. STATS DON’t measure everything about a ball club.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 17, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
all i got out of this post was
NEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
by DogDaysofSummer on Nov 17, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Not me
Site is just a f$@#! joke sometimes.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 17, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
I agree this place is a joke sometimes….
;)
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
Why do you guys continually respond to him? We went like 6 months of HPF posts not getting any replies, and now, all of them do.
lol
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Okay Come ON Stat Nerds !
Now make fun of a few typos, defend yourselves be-little others whomever you are and be on your way.
Come on lets see it, oh wait I could give a damn LOL.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 17, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Sense. This post makes none.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Holty Panthers Fan
“You are so dumb, you are really dumb” – Antoine Dodson. If you don’t believe in stats then go watch Baseball Tonight; John Kruk can tell you which team has the most heart.
Is this a joke?
Why would you feel the need to validate yourself among people you don’t feel are valid to begin with? I mean, I agree people here (just like people in every office, in every job) get all hot and waste time over some petty, meaningless shit, but do you really think you’re standing above that by making THAT post? Self awareness isn’t your game, is it?
The Deal
The deal if we make the deal that I listed above we would basically be giving him about 1 million more than he would get in arby in 2011 and then a 3 year extension with an option.
We have him for 1 year regardless why not attempt to make the best deal for both sides and make both sides happy a 4 yr/52 with a mutual option would work for both squads. Uggla gets the big deal he wants also gets the 5th if it works out and also more money than the 4/48 he was offered by the Marlins. Win/Win for both sides.
I wouldn't even think of offering him 4/55...
…which is what 4/53 with a 2 million buyout is. The draft picks are worth far more than his age 32-35 seasons at that money.
From what the Braves writers (Bowman, O'Brien) have written
it certainly seems the Braves are intent on locking him up for a while. While we don’t have a lot of flexibility after this year (KK only big salary coming off the books, to my recollection), we will be losing DLowe and Chipper’s salaries after ‘12. So maybe he takes less the first two years and then gets a substantial bump in years three and four. I agree with the mutual option for the fifth year, if he’ll take that.
If Chipper retires I believe his contract comes off the books, but i could be wrong. Also, KK and McLouth will be off the books, if we don’t exercise McLouth’s 10M option (with a 1.5M buyout).
But on the flip side a bunch of players will be first time arb eligible and McCann’s contract gets more expensive (still a great deal, but its more expensive). FYI McCann is worth over 20M basically every year….its really nice to have him on our team.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
Chipper wouldn’t take money that way. Guaranteed. If he wasn’t playing anymore in 2012, I doubt he would take the money. You’re a good man, Chipper Jones. Like a Greg Maddux-type attitude about it. I love this team.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
no he would definately take the money….if it is owed to him, he;ll take it…which is what he should do. and is what everyone would do.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
This.
We need to stop thinking otherwise. We agreed to pay him $13 million in 2011 and $13 million in 2012, and that is exactly what we are going to do. And Chipper will do his damndest to be on the field as much as he can and play the best he can during that time, which is exactly what he agreed to do.
we would have to buy out his contract if he retired and he said as much last year
MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."
Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.
ok i wasn’t sure….i wonder if all contracts are like that…it seems like you could get a big contract and then retire and the club has no recourse…there must be some clause in there that allows this…
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
I have no problem locking Uggla down...
How much you pay for Werth who’s the same age?
Yes, I know that Werth is better in the field, has a better average, and can steal a little more bases, but Uggla’s and Werth’s career numbers are similar at the plate:
Werth: 775 games, 120 HRs, 406 RBIs, .848 OPS
Uggla: 776 games, 154 HRs, 465 RBIs, .837 OPS
Like I said, I realize that Werth plays a position of need, but he’ll likely get way more on the FA market than we’ll have to pay for similar production at the plate. Maybe the more Sabermetric-minded folks can add to this comparision.
"You can't print what I said, but they have to catch us." - Chipper Jones
The difference is Werth is far more well-rounded, whereas Uggla has the kind of skill set that historically is dead in the water around age 34. If you’re talking about 4-5 years, I’d give it to Werth over Uggla every time. If we’re just talking 3, then it’s more or less left to preference.
ATTENTION CITIZENS: DAN UGGLA IS NOT A THIRD BASEMAN. That is all.
Difference is also...
that however poorly, Uggla also plays a position where his offensive production is much more above the norm than Werth.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
And Werth is an above average defender as opposed to Uggla who is, well, not.
by king of games on Nov 17, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Uggla “plays” a position where his offensive production is above the norm. That hurts his bottom line value, because he gives back some of his offensive help with his poor defense. Werth not only provides very similar offensive production, he adds additional value with his defense. I’m still going Werth over Uggla every time if I have to give one of them five years.
ATTENTION CITIZENS: DAN UGGLA IS NOT A THIRD BASEMAN. That is all.
Exactly...
But if the Braves sign Uggla, I doubt they pay as much as Werth will make. Thus, I think the difference in cost would make up for the defensive deficiencies.
I am on the fence, but I don’t think a long-term deal with Uggla is a bad thing, especially given his production at the plate.
"You can't print what I said, but they have to catch us." - Chipper Jones
This.
No matter what it’s a win win for us.
by king of games on Nov 18, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
There’s a lot of different directions to go in there. If Uggla gets the 12-13M a year he’s seeking, that’s only 3-4M off what Werth is projected to get, and for Werth’s added SB threat and awesome defense I’d be more than happy to chip in that extra mil for Werth. Also, saying I prefer Werth over Uggla if we’re talking about a zero-sum game where someone gets five years does not preclude me from thinking it’s not a bad idea to sign Uggla for 3 years. I just don’t think 5 years is wise, and I’m not saying it’s the smartest thing in the world to do with Werth either, but if someone HAD to get 5, I’d rather gamble on Werth than Uggla, especially considering what we really need is an OF, not a second baseman. None of this invalidates the trade being a good one nor Uggla being a great piece this year, I’m just cautioning against going hog wild with an extension when the smart thing to do is to temper that a little bit.
ATTENTION CITIZENS: DAN UGGLA IS NOT A THIRD BASEMAN. That is all.
That is downright amazing. I had no idea he was that close to Werth. Tie in the fact that he plays a position that is not all about hitting like Werth in the outfield and, wow. If you could get him for something 4/50 that would be great. If you could frontload it some (I know, hard to do with our inflexibility) then it would make him easier to move down the line if need be (to an AL team, for example, to DH).
Offensively he's probably a little better than Werth
but where the discussion ends is when you compare defense. Werth is one of the better outfield defenders around and Uggla is probably the worst defensive 2B in baseball.
"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel
by Scott Coleman on Nov 17, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Who cares?? is not like bad defense from a 2B can cause us a playoff series or someething...
Oh wait….
Chip Caray: SWING AND A DRIVE, BELTED RIGHT…..and McCann makes the catch by the dugout.
by Hudson's Soul Patch on Nov 17, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
bad defense didn't cost the braves that series (it didn't help...but it wasn't the decisive blow imo)
Swinging at sliders in the dirt did.
by DogDaysofSummer on Nov 17, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
I know, we just couldn't hit anything
but you have to admit that losing that game thanks to an error just knocked this team out.
Chip Caray: SWING AND A DRIVE, BELTED RIGHT…..and McCann makes the catch by the dugout.
by Hudson's Soul Patch on Nov 17, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
right....
because after taking the lead of game 3 in the bottom of the 8th inning only to give up 2 runs in the 9th on errors didn’t cost us the series…give me a break, our defense cost us that series, because if you score more runs than your opponent after 8 innings and your defense gives up the lead, you don’t blame the guys that come up to bat in the bottom of the 9th for not scoring again, you blame what cost us the lead, and that my friend was our defense, in every single game, save a HR from Ankiel
You wanna get high? Don't forget to bring a towel!
46 Ks in 4 games
46 Ks in 4 games
46 Ks in 4 games
OBP of .214
46 Ks in 4 games
OPS of .477
9 Runs in 4 games
46 Ks in 4 games
46 Ks in 4 games
Are you getting the idea yet?
by DogDaysofSummer on Nov 17, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Jman781...
…I wouldn’t give that kind of money to either Werth or Uggla. Big market teams can take the inevitable hits in the final years of those contracts, mid-market teams cannot. One year of Uggla and two draft picks works just great for me.
this is exactly what i'd hoped to hear
regardless of whether we keep him long-term or not, it always means a lot to me to know that guys really want to play here
"Now, I'm gonna go get off my horse by getting onto a smaller horse, and then onto a large dog, until I'm near enough to the ground to roll off."
by Bravely going forward on Nov 17, 2010 6:28 PM EST reply actions
CAN...
Can UGGLA get his friend CODY ROSS to come play CF for us???!!!!!
Chicken pot, chicken pot, chicken pot pie!!
Cody Ross
Cody Ross could play CF or LF in the event Prado plays 3B.
Chicken pot, chicken pot, chicken pot pie!!
Unfortunately...
…so do the Giants, and Ross is not a free agent.
but is ross a bald enough head for center field?… riddle me that…
MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."
Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.
We’d have to go airport security thorough to figure that out, are you volunteering?
by king of games on Nov 18, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
It's an obvious joke
The more I learn about Uggla’s range, the more I like this trade.
The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!
LOL
I knew that was going to be good.
"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel
by Scott Coleman on Nov 17, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously, between Dan and Brian, this is going to be the best season ever.
The South shall rise again! And it will have a tender, flaky crust!
Did you hear?
Cain is coming to the Braves too.
"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel
by Scott Coleman on Nov 17, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Umpphhh.....ohhhh.....ohhhh no
RedandBlack
November 17th, 2010
6:02 pm
Infante will be missed a lot, especially his 300 batting average and ability to get on base so much. Jurgens would have been better trade bait than Infante. The Braves do not have enough professional hitters.
Very bad trade. Very bad. Go Dogs!!
Worst post in history???
Shark in the water.
by AvoidTheDolphin on Nov 17, 2010 6:40 PM EST reply actions
maybe we could still win back Infante in a “Sting” -like scenario. Poker, girls, etc. Wren and the Devil went down to Florida? Niagra, please. I could see it happening.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
So....
…who is our AAA and who is our AA, the Marlins or Royals???
I don't think we should extend him.
That’s mostly because I don’t believe that he would really be willing to take less money to play for us. Players say that kind of thing all the time. In the end, for 98% of players, it comes down to money.
With his skillset, you can project a relatively sudden and nasty decline phase. He wouldn’t be worth it at 4/48, and he certainly wouldn’t be worth it at 5/71. He’ll be a good piece this year, and at the end we should offer arb, take our comp picks, and wish him best of luck on the free agent market.
If he has a monster year and likes it in Atlanta, he might just accept arbitration and make $15M anyway.
by king of games on Nov 18, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
The question I have (about “long term”) is this: when does he turn into Adam Dunn? If the Braves were an AL team, I wouldn’t care, because his bat would still be good and he becomes the DH.
Still, on balance, I’d take him for 4/50 or 5/60. The slugging is too rare right now and it fits so well in our lineup that it’s almost scary.
Bobby Cox, advising Jeff Francoeur about being thrown out of a game: "you’ll probably have to write a $500 check. Or you can do what I do, write a $10,000 one and tell them when it runs out, let me know."
Just like with Chipper, you may have to put up with a year or two of bad contract to get a few years of a great player.
by king of games on Nov 18, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Rainbow Llamasaurus approves of this trade!
by musicman on Nov 17, 2010 9:47 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Too bad there's no sound...
"If you were going to make a Mount Rushmore of managers, Bobby's one of them."
-Mike Scioscia
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Nov 18, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
I like the idea of having him this year but I’m not sure I want to offer him anything big long term. McLouth and Gonzalez are our only big contracts that come off after this year. We will still have 1 more year of Lowe, McCann with a $12M club option, Prado second year arb. We will have a lot of players entering arb. and committing to an aging player long term isn’t the best way to spend that money. Lock up Heyward, McCann, Prado, and Hanson.
Kawakami is also off the books…but i agree i think extending Uggla past three years is probably a bad idea…if we can get him to sign a 3-36M right now then i would consider it, but there’s no reason for him to accept that
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
Eh...you never know
he seems happy to be in Atlanta and $36M is quite a bit of money. I don’t think he’d take it either, but a 3-year deal seems perfect right now.
"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel
by Scott Coleman on Nov 18, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
Additionally...
Players have been known to accept less money to play in Atlanta. I know the situations are not the same, but we all know that Huddy could’ve made more money on a different team. Maybe Uggla really wants to be here? Who knows?
It’s not like 36MM is chump change. I would sacrifice for my family and take that offer right now ;-) Peanuts!
"You can't print what I said, but they have to catch us." - Chipper Jones
I always love players who say they want to retire a Brave. That being said, I wouldn’t doubt he would take less money to stay in Atlanta, but he would likely want a 4th or even 5th year of security in exchange, which I think would be fair. It’s not all that different from the Chipper deal.
by king of games on Nov 18, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
either way...
He’s obviously looking forward to playing for Fredi again, and he’s one of those guys that openly admits to “growing up a Braves fan.”
Props to him for sticking to his guns and making it out of Florida, only to knock them a day later by saying he would be interesting in playing for the Braves for more than a year. That says a whole helluva lot about it, and I look forward to clobbering the Marlins, as always.
All in all, I’m already way too excited for 2011, and it’s not even December.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 18, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Like you say, he’s obviously looking forward to playing for Fredi again, he also said McCann is his favorite ML player. McCann is so excited about Uggla he might pee all over himself. Maybe they became friends at the All Star games. I think the guy will fit in real well in Atlanta. He’s said to be glad to be away from Hanley, he’s all business. Sounds like a great trade.
Free Matt Young!
that’s kind of cool, the thing about McCann, just because Uggla is the older of the 2 guys, if I’m not mistaken.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 18, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome.
"If you were going to make a Mount Rushmore of managers, Bobby's one of them."
-Mike Scioscia
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Nov 18, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Gary Sheffield said he wanted to retire a Brave
But he’s a doucher.
"If you were going to make a Mount Rushmore of managers, Bobby's one of them."
-Mike Scioscia
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Nov 18, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Gary Sheffield also said leaving Atlanta was the biggest mistake he ever made. Said it to Chipper 3 weeks into ST with the Yankees after a ST game.
Free Matt Young!
All the mistakes Sheff made over his career, that’s saying something.
by king of games on Nov 18, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
hometown discounts don't happen anymore.
he’ll walk after 2011.
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