Bobby Cox Finishes Fourth In NL Manager Of The Year Voting
by gondeee on Nov 17, 2010 2:11 PM EST
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PrintIn his final season, the fact that Bobby Cox held a team torn apart by injury after injury together, was apparently not enough to earn him his fifth Manager of the Year award. Here are the results from the Baseball Writers Association of America:
| Manager | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | Points |
| Bud Black, San Diego Padres | 16 | 7 | 3 | 104 |
| Dusty Baker, Cincinnati Reds | 13 | 12 | 2 | 103 |
| Bruce Bochy, San Francisco Giants | 1 | 4 | 13 | 30 |
| Bobby Cox, Atlanta Braves | 1 | 4 | 11 | 28 |
| Charlie Manuel, Philadelphia Phillies | 1 | 4 | 3 | 20 |
| Brad Mills, Houston Astros | 1 | 3 |
Cox did receive one first place vote, but so did at least five other managers. Nice of the writers to give the award to the manager of the team that really did collapse their way out of a playoff berth, though.
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This.
I could have gotten behind Dusty Baker, because Cincinnati made quite the run, but not Black. That team imploded late. Sadly it looks like the Reds are going to be the whipping boys this year, taking all the snubs; Votto’s already been jacked out of his GG and SS, and you can bet your boots that means everybody will make “safe” choice of giving Pujols the MVP as well.
ATTENTION CITIZENS: DAN UGGLA IS NOT A THIRD BASEMAN. That is all.
Well think of how the Padres were in 2009. He turned them around.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
It's not even close
Bud Black deserved the award. He had absolutely nothing on his team and took them to the final weekend of the year.
"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel
by Scott Coleman on Nov 17, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
The fact that they were even in position to “blow it” speaks volumes about the job he did.
I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.
Kinda' like the Braves
I’m protective of the late 2000s era Brave for essentially the same reason. I would compare it to the aura of Bobby Cox in the last seven or eight years.
by Chipper Pwns on Nov 18, 2010 7:20 AM EST up reply actions
He had the best pitching staff in the NL. His offense wasn’t much, but it was still better than what the Padres had.
"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel
by Scott Coleman on Nov 17, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Black’s pitching staff wasn’t too bad either.
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by -Primetime21- on Nov 17, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
It was far worse than the Giants' staff...
…at least the starters. The pen was great, but the starters were a bunch of question marks and one rookie who broke out.
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"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel
Doesn't bother me.
Call it a collapse, call it whatever you like. The Padres were supposed to finish fourth at best in the division, possibly last. Instead, they improved their record by 15 games and took the Giants and the Braves to the final game of the season before falling out.
The Giants only improved by four games, Cincinnati took an advantage of a division that was much weaker this season than last, the Braves finished in the WC after a similar downturn late in the season.
None of those teams were slated to finish fourth or worse in their division before the season began. Even though the Padres didn’t quite make the playoffs, they were without a doubt the most improved team in the National League.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Just glad Baker didn't win
Baker’s strategy:
Bunt a lot, don’t clog up the bases, don’t forget to start Votto.
He won the same amount of games as the Braves, without facing the Phillies 18 times, and with guys who hit 37, 20, 25, 22, 18, 18 home runs.
Obviously we had better pitching, but we also had Chipper out, Prado played hurt then went out at the end, Heyward missed a good amount of time and then played hurt, Jurrjens missed half the year, Medlen out for the year.
I’m not saying Cox should have won, but WTF is Baker doing up there? Did he manage Votto to slug .600? Brilliant.
why Bud Black?
his Padres choked at the end of the season, Cox finally turned this team around in his final year and he only get 1 first place vote? I can understand Dusty Backer, but not Bud Black
Mathew 19:26 "With God, all things are possible"
Not to mention...
Game 1 counts exactly the same as Game 162.
I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.
Baker turned a horrible team into a contender
San Diego chocked the last 2 years at the end, that doesn’t say manager of the year to me
Mathew 19:26 "With God, all things are possible"
Horrible how??
Horrible to people who don’t pay attention, maybe.
The pitching there isn’t dominant, but that was a strong lineup before the season, much better than the Padres. Add in the young talent, and they’re solid contenders, as they were.
The pitching has a way to go, but no one had the Reds sitting fifth or sixth in that division in March, like the Padres were projected (4-5th, one less team in the West).
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Many, many people actually had the Reds projected to win the division.
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Off topic but...
…just finished the Fangraph’s chat and apparently a package of Prado, Jurrjens, Delgado, and Vizcaino wouldn’t even be a legit starting point for Justin Upton according to those guys.
I’m sorry, I like Upton…….but it’s possible we’ve already seen his ceiling, he strikes out 25% of the time, has never played more than 138 games in any season, and watched his SLG dip almost 100 points from 2009.
As for the MOTY, I’m fine with it. Bobby should’ve finished higher, but Black is a deserving candidate.
This whole Justin Upton thing is getting annoying.
Towers always does this; he’ll have a bad team with one really good player and create all these rumors to gage how much he could get for his star.
"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel
by Scott Coleman on Nov 17, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I don't even thinks he tries to create the rumors.
He just likes to talk and he can’t help himself. The reporters, loving rumors, know what questions to ask.
My picks would be
Black
Cox
Bochy
Baker
Manual
Mills
Speaking of having next to no talent and doing well, Brad Mills probably deserved a few more votes.
More proof
Writers should not be voting for awards. Most of the time, they do not know whatt hey are doing. Not saying Bobby should have won, but Black and the fadeaway Padres won?
Posey won the NL ROY. The BBWAA sucks.----Peter Hjort
More proof
That you’re in over your head on the argument of what makes a great manager, on a seasonal basis.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Nov 17, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure he had the Padres running away with the NL West.
I have an inferiority complex, but it's not a very good one.
Didn't everybody??
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
ESPN didn't even show Bobby????!!!!
but they showed Brad Mills and Manuel for some reason
Chip Caray: SWING AND A DRIVE, BELTED RIGHT…..and McCann makes the catch by the dugout.
by Hudson's Soul Patch on Nov 17, 2010 7:06 PM EST reply actions
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At least they’re pretty good at that.
Chip Caray: SWING AND A DRIVE, BELTED RIGHT…..and McCann makes the catch by the dugout.
by Hudson's Soul Patch on Nov 17, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Congrats Black.
You did a fantastic job coaching a team that was supposed to finish last despite having a hot second half the previous season. I love Bobby and he did a hell of a job but Black deserved the win. It wasn’t Black that faded down the stretch, the lack of position talent finally bubbled up.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
I think it should have been a close contest between Bruce Bochy and Bobby Cox. I thinking winning should play a bigger role in deciding who wins the award. After all, look at the Braves… Bobby got the team (or the team got the team for Bobby) despite all the injuries at the end of the season. Pretty remarkable if you ask me.
I didn’t pick Bochy because of the World Series. I think he just did a better job than the rest.
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