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I'm Curious: What Do You Think of Braves' New Coaching Staff?

We hadn't really discussed the coaching staff as a whole here on Talking Chop and I was interested to hear your thoughts. In case you missed it, our staff was completed on Friday with the hiring of Larry Parrish as our new hitting coach. Here's a look at how we stand for 2011:

Manager: Fredi Gonzalez
Pitching Coach: Roger McDowell
Hitting Coach: Larry Parrish
Bench Coach: Carlos Tosca 
1B / Infield Coach: Terry Pendleton
3B Coach: Brian Snitker
Bullpen Coach: Eddie Perez

We obviously haven't seen all of these guys work together yet, but here are a few of my early thoughts.

  • Fredi Gonzalez averaged 80.7 wins a year in his three full seasons in Florida. What will he do with a team that has a much, much higher payroll than that of the Marlins, a top-5 minor league system, and a bevy of talented, young hitters and pitchers? I don't know about you, but I'm expecting big things.
  • Why the hell is Brian Snitker still at 3rd base? I know he's a good guy and he's been with the Braves forever, but he has no business coaching at 3rd. It seemed like we couldn't go more then a few games in 2010 without a costly decision being made by Snitker to hold or send the runner. I really wish Fredi would change this.
  • It's not easy to replace a legend like Leo Mazzone, but Roger McDowell has done an incredible job since taking over in Atlanta. Veterans like Tim Hudson and Javy Vazquez have thrived under him and Derek Lowe now has a completely new and improved approach on the mound that might've rejuvenated his career. And let's not forget Tommy Hanson is already a top-20 pitcher in the NL at the old age of 23.
  • Using a player's stats to determine if he'll be a good hitting coach is stupid. Did Larry Parrish have a low on-base percentage as a player nearly thirty years ago? Yeah. But does that mean we'll instantly turn into a team that hacks away at the plate? Of course not. Some guys are better players than coaches and vice versa. All reports indicate Parrish is a great worker and will do whatever he can to help our hitters. As of right now, that works for me.
  • It's great to see Eddie Perez remain our bullpen coach. Gotta love that guy and all of his experience should be great for our young relievers like Kimbrel and Venters.
  • I'm thrilled that Terry Pendleton is no longer our hitting coach, and I'm curious to see if he improves our awful infield defense. Adding Freddie Freeman should help, but we have to improve as a whole if we're going to win a championship. He was a fine defender back in his day and we can only hope TP is a better infield coach than he was a hitting coach.
  • I'm really bummed Chino Cadahia will no longer be on the coaching staff. He seemed like a phenomenal guy, and it always looked like he was close with the players who weren't originally from America. Plus, who couldn't fall in love with THIS?
Poll
What do you think of the new coaching staff?
Love it!
175 votes
Like it.
1032 votes
Meh.
279 votes
Don't like it now, but I hope I'm wrong.
65 votes
I'm worried.
19 votes

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when did tommy hanson

become a top 20 NL pitcher? how did you rank

by StottsEra on Nov 1, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Who needs a ranking?

Namve 19 other pitchers you want on the mound ahead of Hanson in 2011. I’ll even give you the AL.

"You can't print what I said, but they have to catch us." - Chipper Jones

by Jman781 on Nov 1, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

*Name

"You can't print what I said, but they have to catch us." - Chipper Jones

by Jman781 on Nov 1, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. This is what I went by.

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by Scott Coleman on Nov 1, 2010 12:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hmmmm... That actually sounds kind of easy...

Off the top of my head:

Tim Hudson
Roy Halladay
Johan Santana
Josh Johnson
Adam Wainwright
Chris Carpenter
Tim Lincecum
Matt Cain
Ubaldo Jiminez
Jon Lester
Josh Beckett
CC Sabathia
Cliff Lee
Felix Hernandez
Jake Peavy
Justin Verlander
Zack Greinke
David Price
Matt Garza
Chad Billingsley
Roy Oswalt

How many am I at so far? I’m not even counting fringe pitchers…

Cole Hamels, Matt Cain, Ryan Dempster, Edinson Volquez, Yovani Gallardo, Matt Latos, Andy Pettite, Jared Weaver…

Everyone gets two free stupid comments. After that, I start charging.

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Nov 1, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fairness...

The post only said he was a top-20 NL pitcher.

by Tarkus on Nov 1, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

True.

Commentor gave me AL too ;)

And based on “stuff” alone, he might be Top 20.

Everyone gets two free stupid comments. After that, I start charging.

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Nov 1, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's top 20 in the NL

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 2, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he's not top-20, it's really close

18 in FIP
31 in ERA
24 in fWAR

Don't kiss an ass if it's in the process of shitting on you.

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by buzzdeadwax on Nov 1, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

You listed Cain twice… thats how literal you took it too….

by dean0uga on Nov 1, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blah. Switch one of the other Cain’s with Sanchez.

Everyone gets two free stupid comments. After that, I start charging.

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Nov 1, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way

I take Santana, Billingsley, or Verlander over Hanson. He is still young and improving and am sure will be top 10 to 15 let alone top 20 very soon.

by Kevin McCarthy on Nov 1, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Billingsley is “still young and improving” as well.

And relatively speaking, Verlander isn’t that old either.

Either way, the question posed was not “who do you want for the next five seasons, but who else would you want in 2011”? In a few years, Santana/Verlander might be passing their prime, but so far, not yet.

Everyone gets two free stupid comments. After that, I start charging.

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Nov 1, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

In regards to Snit

Consider how many times the Braves had a game where a runner was thrown out at the plate, compared to how many times it was Brian McCann thrown out at the plate. There’s no statistic that can keep track of how many times a player runs through a stop sign, or how many times a player is held up, but Snit’s job is mostly to give a suggestion, and it’s the player’s decision whether or not they listen. Off the top of my head, I can remember at least twice where Heyward ran through it, and was out once, scored once. Prado not quite so lucky, but I can recall a game where he ran through and was tagged out, but McCann is still the worst; he simply doesn’t have the speed to take more than two bases, Snit learned this, and kept throwing up the stop signs towards the end of the year.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Nov 1, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe the players realized that his signs were just guesses, and were ignoring him?

by Broccoman on Nov 1, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Snit

He SHOULD NOT still be the 3B coach, point blank!

by Jay212033 on Nov 1, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS!

Snit is shit at coaching 3rd base, period.

*Just Chill* when things start to look a bit difficult-don't panic as you take away your ability to think straight. Go Braves! Go Dawgs! Go Falcons!

by HEYJUDE on Nov 1, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the staff so far, but like you, I’m still scratching my head as to why Snitker is still at 3rd. It was a great move to keep McDowell and Perez right where they were.

Jason Heyward is so good, he makes David Wright piss in Ryan Howard’s pants

by heap16 on Nov 1, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree.

I am glad that many of our coaches were retained, even TP in the new role. The one head-scratcher was Snit, but I want to see the team play a few weeks (or months) before I opine one way or the other. For now, I like the staff but don’t love it.

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by Jman781 on Nov 1, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the biggest thing for me was keeping McDowell. He seems like he has done a phenomenal job with our pitchers.

Jason Heyward is so good, he makes David Wright piss in Ryan Howard’s pants

by heap16 on Nov 1, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder how many of those “Like it” votes would have been “Love it” if it were Hubbard—or anyone, really—instead of Snitker.

by J-Freak on Nov 1, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I probably still would have voted just "Like it"...

My vote was more about Parrish and TP. Not that they can’t necessarily do the job, but just that I’m not real excited about them. I kind of skipped over Snitker, but that would be another reason to drop my vote.

by Tarkus on Nov 1, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

A love it would have came IF

No TP
No Snit
And a great hitter was hired to be Hitting coach?…like a …I think Ken Griffey Jr. is available?
but getting Fredi was huge and he alone rates us a “High” like!

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Nov 1, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love Fredi, Roger, and Eddie

Like Parrish, and Tosca.

Wish Snitker and TP were gone. Correct me if I’m wrong, but when I think of the best 1B coaches in the game over the last few years, isn’t it someone who was a phenomenal basestealer like Davey Lopes or Dave Roberts? I’ll be curious to see if the new regime leads to more SB attempts (from McLouth and Heyward predominantly, since there’s not much speed elsewhere). Mostly I just think it’s time for TP and the Braves to go their separate ways, and I wonder how he’ll handle the “demotion,” as it were.

by Torgo's Executive Powder on Nov 1, 2010 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think TP is a bad coach, just a bad hitting instructor. Let’s give him a chance in a new role before throwing him to the wolves.

by Broccoman on Nov 1, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could be mistaken...

but wasn’t TP a pretty good base runner, relative to his speed?

by Tarkus on Nov 1, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was far too young to remember

But I think Joe Simpson has referred to him as a good baserunner. But baserunner =/= basestealer, and I think that’s a skill some of the Braves with even a modicum of speed could stand improve on.

by Torgo's Executive Powder on Nov 1, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

He stole bases earlier in his career (maybe he was less fat?). For his career, he was 127 out of 186, which is 68%. Not good. Good base stealer =/= good baserunner though.

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by ChrisK562 on Nov 1, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not exactly svelt

But not the roly-poly guy we all know now:

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by cbwilk on Nov 1, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hated to see Hubbard go. I’d rather have him as Snitker.

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by bighop on Nov 1, 2010 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Yep

Why not move Hubbard to 3rd, and let Snit go?

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by HEYJUDE on Nov 1, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because the organization has a different view of how they actually performed. And personally this is a case where I think the organization has a better handle on things than anyone else.

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by cbwilk on Nov 1, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to say, they did as good a job as I could have expected to follow up bobby’s tenure. I like that fredi didn’t overhaul the entire coaching staff. When you take over for a guy like bobby, you want to keep as many familiar faces around as possible to continue the same attitude and to learn what does and does not work with the players currently on the roster.

MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."

Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.

by telemakhos on Nov 1, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree...

And guys like Perez and McDowell are excellent. I can’t think of a pitching coach I would rather have (although I am admittedly ignorant when it comes to ranking coaches).

"You can't print what I said, but they have to catch us." - Chipper Jones

by Jman781 on Nov 1, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

they'll do..

but i do have one thing to add: derek lowe had one outstanding month and almost 2 whole years of mediocrity. he needs to prove more than one month to be labeled rejuvenated. in my opinion, he’s at his peak value since becoming a brave and should be shopped.

Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.

by ryan c on Nov 1, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

I disagree about Lowe. With as young a staff as we are looking at this year and next, both starting and relieving, Lowe will give you right at 200 innings. He’s missed 1 start in 2 years with the Braves. Paying Lowe doesn’t bother me, especially since he has figured out McDowell can be a help.

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by bighop on Nov 1, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

30 million over 2 years...

is a frickin’ ton of cash. the braves could sign javy vazquez for 1/7 million and use the extra 8 million this year and 15 next to sign a worthy outfielder. seriously, think about the logjam of a 2012 starting rotation already:
1. hudson 2. hanson 3. lowe 4. jurrjens 5. minor 6. beachy 7. medlen 8. teheran 9. delgado 10. vizcaino

some people suggest that the bottom 3 might not be available until 2013, but teheran and vizcaino will be 21 the 2012 season and delgado will be 22.

Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.

by ryan c on Nov 1, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Out of your 10 on that list, 4, Hudson, Jurrjens, Medlen and Vizcaino, have lost significant time in the last 18 months. $15 M is a lot of money. 200 innings is a lot of innings too. I’d keep Lowe, he’s plenty good enough for that salary. The last thing I want to see is the Braves strength, starting pitching, depleted by overwork at a young age.

Write your own recap!.....mvhsbball

by bighop on Nov 1, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

good point...

overworking medlen obviously was a bad move by the braves, and it’s this overworking that always sees to slip my mind. however, i still think that having 9 potential starting pitcher candidates in 2012 and trading lowe on a high note would be a good front office move.

Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.

by ryan c on Nov 1, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they trade him, we’d have plenty of money for other needs, but I wouldn’t do it. Wren has things structured to have money become available after 2011 and 2012, depending on how long Chipper hangs around, it could be a bunch of money one of those years. He just needs to get us a little help for 2011.

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by bighop on Nov 1, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was Medlen really overworked? I wonder if he was hurt in that game in Cincy before his arm gave out, and if that contributed.

Lowe shouldn’t be traded, unless it’s for a quality OF (even if it’s someone like an Alex Rios or Vernon Wells)

by Broccoman on Nov 1, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Medlen was a starter that was converted to long relief in teh majors more because the rotation was full at the time than due to a lack of talent. He doesn’t have Hanson’s stuff/ceiling, but mentally he’s about on the same level and can probably be a solid, if not great, #3 man, borderline #2. He only threw 107 innings this year, which is not even a career high, so I don’t think it was overwork. That total is only up about 3 innings from 09, so while I could see them skipping him in the rotation a bit in August/September (had he stayed healthy) to limit his innings total to within about 150, I find it hard to believe it was overwork and not just plain old bad luck that caused his injury. Now, I know people are going to harp on me that his starter’s innings were more stressful than relief innings and are more stressful after a year in the pen than they would have been if he’d made the jump straight from MiL starter to MLB starter, but I think that’s all bollocks. The kid has a starter’s pedigree and had not amassed that many innings, all things considered, so while it sucks he went down, I don’t think you can blame the FO for making the wrong call by getting him to start. I hope he comes back in 2012 rejuvenated and ready to start again if we have room for him, he was an asset there this year.

by J-Freak on Nov 1, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if there will be a rotation spot for him in 2012.

Teheran, Minor, Hanson, Beachy, Hudson, Medlen’s #6 on that list as of now.

This is why trading JJ next year or Lowe if possible should be strongly considered. Medlen could come back and start in September if something goes bad.

by Broccoman on Nov 1, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I realize we’re stacked at pitching, I’m just reinforcing that the kid was an awesome starter and I’d like to see him get the shot again, but not if it would be detrimental to the team to start him over someone Teheran.

by J-Freak on Nov 1, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would put Medlen above Beachy...

…just based on stuff, but Beachy has 2011 to prove me right or, hopefully, wrong.

by cavebird on Nov 1, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, if you take Lowe’s first half last year and his April, May, and September this year, it’s more like one really good year and a relatively crappy one. It hasn’t been two off years, and it looks like he’s going to be even better going forward with that renewed slider.

by J-Freak on Nov 1, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

getting better going forward...

i’m not convinced. i sure do hope that it’s true, but many forget that derek was diagnosed with a bone chip in his elbow. it’s not like that is magically going to go away.

and, if you take his 2 full years in an atlanta uniform, you get 2 mediocre years. i was giving him props for a good month, but cherry picking individual months to say he’s had one good year and one utterly horrible year is grasping at straws. he’s been worth about 75% of his contract.

Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.

by ryan c on Nov 1, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I might add...

again as I said his contract was more in line with a #1 starter…did we getting #1 quality starts….only this September!

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Nov 1, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's great...

…but other teams will probably think they can sign Vazquez for $7 million and use the $23 million elsewhere as well. One month of pitching great will not make his contract moveable. If we could move his entire contract, I am sure we would do it. We just won’t be able to do this. Remember, if you don’t think he is a good value for the Braves and you are correct, other teams are not going to think he is a good value for them either.

by cavebird on Nov 1, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed...

agreed- on trading lowe: not saying it’s going to be easy.

Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.

by ryan c on Nov 1, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the choir says amen!

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Nov 1, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whew.....

I thought that last link was going to be the infamous Chino in a towel picture; apparently the only place that still exists is burned into the brains of those of us who were doomed to see it live.

FUPA, we’ll miss you.

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by sddbaker on Nov 1, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I am happy that I never saw that picture you’re talking about.

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by MBL1 on Nov 1, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

it wasn’t an actual photograph, just a somewhat fleeting image in the background on the postgame show one night. Of all the Braves I could have seen in a towel, and I got to see Chino.

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by sddbaker on Nov 1, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is it that

when a player does well, he gets 100% of the credit, but when he does poorly, the hitting coach gets some portion of the blame (sometimes a lot of it)?

If you look at the performance of all our hitters under Pendleton, there is absolutely no evidence that he was a bad hitting coach. Every season, some guys underperform expectations and others overperform. This year, for every McLouth or Melky, there was an Infante or Prado. Why blame TP for McLouth and not praise him for Prado? Personally, I wouldn’t do either, but you can’t just focus on one part and ignore the other.

Unless there is a team-wide (year-long) hitting outage, caused by an obvious personality conflict or a lack of effort/expertise, there’s no reason to blame a hitting coach for players’ struggles. And there is no evidence that the offense as a whole underperformed, that TP had any personality conflicts (quite the opposite, actually), or that he lacked effort or expertise.

I hope the TC faithful are more realistic judges of Parrish than they were of TP.

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by Jacob Peterson on Nov 1, 2010 12:00 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

(Unfortunately) that’s just how pro sports work anymore.

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by Scott Coleman on Nov 1, 2010 12:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's simple, really.

You generally can’t fire the players.

by cavebird on Nov 1, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn unions.

Coming soon: winningugly visits Atlanta, takes dump in royhobbs’ Braves hat.

by 10-4 on Nov 1, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd.

I’m good with trying someone else as hitting coach, but I’ve never understood that either, that a hitting coach gets none of the credit and all of the blame.

by Tarkus on Nov 1, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure a part of it is the belief that sometimes change for the sake of change has a placebo effect and things turn around, even if it wasn’t actually the previous coach’s fault that things were bad to begin with. Certainly worked for Colorado when they dumped Hurdle for Tracy.

by J-Freak on Nov 1, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because I’ve never heard or read a Braves hitter who actually praised TP for helping them come out of a slump or improve their hitting. McLouth started hitting again in Sept and he praised Chipper for helping him! I’ve read many times where a hitter was “working” with TP (ie…KJ, McLouth) without any results.

by BravesFan on Nov 1, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve read several times this year alone of players crediting TP with helping them. I specifically remember McCann giving him credit for helping him. Either way, what you’ve read is a terrible way of judging a hitting coach. Honestly, nobody here has any business judging how good of a coach TP is.

by alxn on Nov 1, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bullet 6

How is adding a rookie 1st basemen over a proven gold glover a defensive improvement? We’ll be fine with Chipper / Prado back and infante spelling them.

by joshmaurer on Nov 1, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I was thinking more about Troy at 1st than DLee. Good point though.

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by Scott Coleman on Nov 1, 2010 12:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bobby was using Freddy as a detensive replacement for Derek Lee late in the season, even in tight games. That should say something.

by Broccoman on Nov 1, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even Lee’s range was limited some by his back, just as Troy’s knees limited him (albeit to a larger degree).

by J-Freak on Nov 1, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was used in double switches...

But to call it a defensive replacement situation is a bit of a misnomer, I think.

Pitcher’s spot in the order came up, needed a lefty bat, put Freeman in and later substituted the pitcher in D-Lee’s spot. I don’t remember ever seeing Freeman come in to first on a double switch when on defense. It was always predicated first by a pinch-hitting situation.

Of course, I could be totally wrong on this, but I simply don’t remember any preemptive defensive replacement situations where his glove took precedence over Lee’s. As I recall, it was always brought upon by a need of a bat in bottom part of the lineup first and foremost.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Nov 1, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve heard that Freeman has a good glove.

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by MBL1 on Nov 1, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he’s gonna have some gold gloves before it’s over with. He’s very slick at first base.

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by cbwilk on Nov 1, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He made some good plays this year with Atlanta, but he didn’t play much.

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by MBL1 on Nov 1, 2010 6:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’m pretty happy with the changes. Let’s just see what Fredi can do with this team.

Not sure about the hitting coach, I’ll take a wait and see approach.

by Sparhawk on Nov 1, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

My goods outweight my bads by a lot.

I love the Fredi signing. Bringing someone in who is very much like Cox and knows the organization was a smart move. We didn’t need to shake things up. I also like that Fredi brought in his own right hand man in Tosca. I loved me some Chino, but Fredi needed to bring in someone that suits him most in that position.

Keeping McDowell and Perez is a big plus. I think they do one helluva job and hope to see them around for a long time.

Terry I can live with as 1st base/fielding coach. Know nothing of the new hitting coach but will be hopefully be a breathe of fresh air.

Snitker has me head scratching, but hopefully Parrish gets our boys hitting well enough that we can overcome any misguided judgments on 3rd base. Which I don’t think were too many this year tbh.

I love the staff. Here’s to getting back to the post season!

by TCfromDubVee on Nov 1, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not knocking McDowell, but ...

I’m also not seeing how he supposedly “fixed” Lowe. I thought the story on Lowe was that he figured out the problem on his own, finally, and fixed it himself. However, I think McDowell is a good coach and even Leo couldn’t fix everybody.

by Zontar on Nov 1, 2010 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

The story I heard, when Lowe missed his start due to bone chips, Lowe approached McDowell, McDowell looked at video then worked with Lowe on “standing up” more on the mound. Before the Nats game, McDowell suggested some pitch sequences that led to Lowe’s 12 K game. I think it’s fairly safe to say McDowell played a part in helping Lowe’s Sept.

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by bighop on Nov 1, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the story I remember hearing too.

I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
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by cbwilk on Nov 1, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn CB, that’s the 1st time you haven’t slapped me down in a month! I’m doing the happy dance for posting something that might be close to accurate.

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by bighop on Nov 1, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if I’ve been doing that it’s nothing personal. Because I don’t remember doing it, which means I wasn’t sitting here like, “that damn bighop, saying something stupid again!”.

I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
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by cbwilk on Nov 1, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

No offense was taken, I’m wrong right often.

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by bighop on Nov 1, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I specifically remember

DLowe saying in either a pre-game or post-game interview that he and Roger fixed his delivery after watching a ton of video.

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by Scott Coleman on Nov 1, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't fault Snit much.

The third base coach seems to get magnified because once runners reach him, well, they’re obviously in scoring position. And when you look at our major issues with the LOBster this year, can you blame Snitker for pushing the envelope instead of throwing up the brakes thinking “Its ok, the next guy will get a hit, no problem.”

Coming soon: winningugly visits Atlanta, takes dump in royhobbs’ Braves hat.

by 10-4 on Nov 1, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Possibly true. If your team is high-OBP, low-SLG, then risks aren’t worth it unless they’re 70-30 or better.

I don’t oppose the approach- it’s cheaper then getting mashers- though you will get LOBsterball at times. I also think the approach works better in the postseason, since small-ball becomes more useful in low-scoring games. (This is an area that I think hasn’t really been studied sabermetrically, it just makes theoretical sense to me that runs means more when there are fewer runs)

by Broccoman on Nov 1, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't blame Snitker much either.

And there has been some analysis done, at least at BP. Basically, their conclusion was that almost all thrid base coaches were too timid. This doesn’t surprise me, and they backed the data with the intelligent observation that the system leads to timidity—-if you send the runner and he scores it is no big deal, if you hold the runner, it is no big deal, but if you send the runner and he is thrown out, you are to blame as the third base coach. Therefore, to avoid blame, you send the runners less than you should.

by cavebird on Nov 1, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t get the TP hate, glad he’s still on board though and interested in what Parrish can do. Agree that I woul rather still have Hubbard around and Snitker not. Would definitely always like to have Eddie involved, he’s great.

by Sir Stealth on Nov 1, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Glenn Hubbard got the shaft

Did Glen Hubbard take the fall for Conrad’s miscues? We should have kept Hubbard and not Snitker.

by harlangoodnight on Nov 1, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I kinda wondered that same thing, but thanks for coming right out and saying it. Hubbard’s done phenomenal work in the past, and I have to wonder if either 1) he was a scapegoat, or 2) he left on his own for reasons unknown. I’m gonna miss him.

by J-Freak on Nov 1, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong

I like Hubbard and will definitely miss seeing him standing out there at 1b. But when you’re the infield coach, in charge of defense, and said infield has 90 errors in a season, it’s hard for me to agree with you that he “got the shaft.”

by knarf on Nov 1, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fredi's apparent best trait?

Getting the most out of young players…that 80+ win average was done with mostly youth plus a few cast off older players…a few of them ex-Braves.
I still wonder what would have happened if we still had Yunel now and he would have displayed the same attitude as the Marlin’s SS sometime next season…who would have had to leave the team? Remind me next year to laugh really loud when Ramirez gets to the plate next year…hee hee.

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Nov 1, 2010 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish there was an option for not caring

Because all of this really means nothing. The coaching staff will have minimal impact on the team. People who act like they know how good of a hitting coach TP was drive me crazy. I don’t understand how anyone can make outrageous statements about how bad he was with absolutely nothing substantial to back it up.

by alxn on Nov 1, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

The team fills its pitching staff with highly-paid veterans and top prospects and neglects the offense and people decide that McDowell is a great pitching coach and TP has no idea what he’s doing. I remember when people thought TP was great and McDowell was clueless back when the Braves had an abysmal staff and highly productive offense.

by alxn on Nov 1, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess it’s entirely possible that you are the only poster on this board that knows anything at all about baseball. Thank you for gracing us with your wisdom.

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by bighop on Nov 1, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you for being a smart ass.

I never claimed to know anything about baseball. All I said was that I don’t understand how anyone could conclude that TP is a bad coach because they have nothing to base their conclusions on. I then explained how people’s opinions of coaches tends to coincide with how talented the team is at that aspect.

I wish, instead of being confrontational, you could explain to me how you and others decided that he is such a bad coach.

by alxn on Nov 1, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said he was bad, never have, I like TP, I’m one of the few. Yes I replied in a smart ass manner, I felt your post was a bit of a hammer to the head of folks posting their opinions of the coaches. It is after all a thread about the new coaching staff.

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by bighop on Nov 1, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re a real hero, man. I’m sure they appreciate you standing up for them against the big bad bully who dares to share his opinion.

by alxn on Nov 1, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m no hero, I’m a smart ass.

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by bighop on Nov 1, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh boy.

'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike

by Scott Coleman on Nov 1, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone watching the World Series?

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Nov 1, 2010 8:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yes.

But not many from reading about the ratings.

by Tarkus on Nov 1, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bits and pieces...

but whenever I do, I just keep thinking about how a healthy Braves team with Chipper, Prado, JJ, etc. would handle both of these teams with no problem.

'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike

by Scott Coleman on Nov 1, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Braves might not have made it past Philly.

The Giants seem to have peaked at the right time.

by Tarkus on Nov 1, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would’ve been a good series, but I’d take us.

'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike

by Scott Coleman on Nov 1, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

sigh

this

:(

Everyone gets two free stupid comments. After that, I start charging.

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Nov 1, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you tell Dwight to chill…. i really need some Andre Johnson/Owen Daniels garbage points

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by bpk228480 on Nov 1, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spencer Hawes is looking good for you guys!

'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike

by Scott Coleman on Nov 1, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love it

3.3 ppg on 28% shooting, 3 boards, 1 block….17 minutes a game

"I am here to be real and state the things you are all to scared to say because you don’t want to get your feelings hurt or you don’t want to hurt these bloggers feelings. I mean did you read this garbage preview? I mean seriously, it was a pile of crap." - Mastermike

by bpk228480 on Nov 1, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Kings haven't played anyone...

but 2-1 on a 3-game road trip to start the season works for me.

'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike

by Scott Coleman on Nov 1, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andre Johnson!

and yea, I don’t see the sixers winning 30 games.

"I am here to be real and state the things you are all to scared to say because you don’t want to get your feelings hurt or you don’t want to hurt these bloggers feelings. I mean did you read this garbage preview? I mean seriously, it was a pile of crap." - Mastermike

by bpk228480 on Nov 1, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

weak sauce.

'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike

by Scott Coleman on Nov 1, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats to the Giants

we gave them a great ride in the 1st round, but they deserved it

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Nov 1, 2010 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah...

They played awesome in the NLCS and WS. Outstanding pitching and defense, along with some timely hitting. They’re a fun team to watch when they’re clicking.

by Tarkus on Nov 1, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wanted to go to their blog and give them props

but it makes me wait 24 hours to post

I think it would show good sportsmanship if someone from here gave them congrats from everyone here

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Nov 1, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I nominate MVHS

"I am here to be real and state the things you are all to scared to say because you don’t want to get your feelings hurt or you don’t want to hurt these bloggers feelings. I mean did you read this garbage preview? I mean seriously, it was a pile of crap." - Mastermike

by bpk228480 on Nov 1, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll get on that...

(story of my life.)

'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike

by Scott Coleman on Nov 1, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good idea.

They represented the NL well.

And it was great to see virtually all the media completely wrong their last two series.

by Tarkus on Nov 1, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

already did that :)

The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.

by TonyAlmeyda on Nov 1, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's funny that we played them tougher than either the Phillies or Rangers

The games were good, even the ones we lost. It really makes me believe the Phillies were in the Braves’ head this year. How do we take the Giants to the wire in nearly every game yet the Phillies can’t beat them, though the Phillies demolished us.

Dan Marino (13) and Steve Nash (13) will go down in history as being the greatest passers to never win the last game of the season.

by BravePhin on Nov 2, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you're looking for an NBA team to follow to pass the time...

The Sacramento Kings are so much fun to watch. I know they play late, but you gotta check them out.

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by Scott Coleman on Nov 2, 2010 12:37 AM EDT reply actions  

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