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Atlanta Braves Fan Confidence Poll

If it's Monday, then it's the Atlanta Braves fan confidence poll. As always, this poll and therefore your confidence level should encompasses several areas of the team. These areas include, but are not limited to, the team’s ownership, current management, talent, minor-league system, and general playing ability on the field. The poll will stay open for 48 hours, and then the results will be posted and graphed against the previous weeks.

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On a scale of 1-to-10, with 10 being "100 percent confident," and 1 being "no confidence at all," how confident are you in the Atlanta Braves organization?
10
267 votes
9
186 votes
8
447 votes
7
359 votes
6
165 votes
5
55 votes
4
38 votes
3
21 votes
2
21 votes
1
49 votes

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7

All they need to do, is play .580 baseball to win the world series, 11 wins, this can be done! I give them a 7 because it is going to be an uphill battle, but this team has the potential to play with the best, even if they haven’t shown it down the stretch. I believe the future of this team has great potential with the young guys coming up and the ones that are already here. Who will be next years manager is going to be the key. It might be such a culture shock compared to how Bobby treated his players, I guess we won’t know til ’11.

by HeyMikey on Oct 4, 2010 8:32 AM EDT reply actions  

The winnage of the Wild Card bumps me up to a 9 – that and the fact that our young guns excite me for next season and beyond.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 4, 2010 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

im at a 5

i think that we will get by SF but if the Phils take down the reds i fear we may not get much further than that… i hope i am wrong but i cant help but think about the last few weeks and cringe. my confidence for next season is pretty damn high though, id put that at a 8. we will be young but a lot of fun to watch. hopefully Freddy can keep up Bobby’s tradition of managing winners

by ChitownBravos on Oct 4, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I think you misread the instructions.

It’s not about the team’s chances in the playoffs this year. It’s about “the team’s ownership, current management, talent, minor-league system, and general playing ability on the field.” If you’re so excited about next year, and the team made the playoffs this year, how could you be at a 5?

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Oct 4, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haven't you learned by now?

90% of the people on this site just don’t understand the Fan Confidence Poll. I don’t think they ever will.

"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."

by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Oct 4, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

7

I’m sticking with 7 (barring a very unlikely trip to the World Series) until the Braves start making their off season trades, non-tenders, and free agent signings. This team has talent with more on the way from the minor leagues, but it also has big holes in the line up and defense. Wren needs to make some changes to keep the Braves a playoff team next year and give them a stronger chance to win a championship.

by redwards95 on Oct 4, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

So your current confidence is based on future moves?

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 4, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

My current confidence is based on what happened this season and not knowing the future moves. Once I see Melky be non-tendered, Kawakami traded, a real CF signed, and so forth, then my confidence will increase as will my vote.

by redwards95 on Oct 4, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I stand by what I said yesterday

Someone put it best a few months ago, in the vain of “you are such an agitator its unbelievable”.

"IN THE AIR LEFT FIELD- THAT'LL DO IT!... AND IT KEEPS ON GOING; THAT IS A HOMERUN!"

by 15ks on Oct 4, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

My confidence dropped to 7 in the last couple of weeks, and I’m staying there for at least the first round of the playoffs. They did surprise me by taking the Wild Card, and I’m happy about that, and think that they have as good a chance as anyone to go all the way. I’ll still wait to see how long they stay in the playoffs and who they name as manager before I move up (or down). I am expecting a very busy offseason….

Meantime, Go Reds! Go Braves!

by John Holton on Oct 4, 2010 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

10!

We made the playoffs, something that we haven’t done in several years. Anything can happen now.

Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960

by Darin H on Oct 4, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Why the low scores?

We won the Wild Card… we’re in the playoffs! Is that not something to be excited about? Given our struggles this year, we’re still one of the best teams in the NL and we’ve got a shot at bringing a World Series back home.

Now, just imagine how much better we’ll be next year once Chipper and Jurrjens heal up and we find someone capable to play the OF with Heyward. Not to mention Medlen’s comeback and the advancement of our pitching prospects.

1 more thing though, if Farnsworth earns a roster spot over Kimbrel for the bullpen I’m going to throw something.

I voted 9.

Kawakami - 1, Halladay - 0

by BigG1392 on Oct 4, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

We won the wild card by winning 1 out of 3 at home against a team that was tuning up for the playoffs. The Braves haven’t beaten a good team in over a month.

by redwards95 on Oct 4, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

We’ve been throwing Beachy and Minor out there with zero experience, into the thick of the playoff races, our offense was obviously struggling… we’ve lost Chipper, Jurrjens, Prado, Medlen… yet we still come away with 91 wins. Impressive if you ask me.

Also, the vote takes into account other aspects of the team besides the current on-field product, no doubt our future is bright.

Kawakami - 1, Halladay - 0

by BigG1392 on Oct 4, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

By tuning up, they threw 3 of their 4 best pitchers against us…

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 4, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to be a critic...but

confidence poll….was not "would we win the whole she-bang, world series and all…….it was more of a “How do you like me now” as in an oversight of our organization.
It would have to focus on several criteria
1. Players
2. Management
3. Future potential

I assumed you were asking that…..so I gave it an 8. Frank Wren brings it down a little for buying lower quality front line players but I won’t throw him under a big buss (maybe a short yellow one that I may or may not have rode on) because of his moves to bolster our bullpen and our bench……. and who knows, maybe buying (and still having) Lowe last year might be paying off now?

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Oct 4, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

8

On the contingency that we do some defensive drills before Thursday.

Coming soon: winningugly visits Atlanta, takes dump in royhobbs’ Braves hat.

by 10-4 on Oct 4, 2010 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

This just in from Bobby Cox, after reading your comment....
THAT’S WHAT I FORGOT TO HAVE THE TEAM DO SINCE THE ALL STAR BREAK!! I KNEW I WAS FORGETTING SOMETHING! All this time, I thought I’d left the gas on at home….

"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."

by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Oct 4, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

I love it when fans (myself included) have an “obvious” solution. Hmmm. You think Conrad’s defense will get better if he just practices a little more?

Just take some more ground balls, kid. The 352,156 you have taken since you were able to walk haven’t done it, but maybe the marginal 20 – 30 you could do tomorrow might help.

Remember the Phitans

by RememberthePhitans on Oct 4, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still at 8, been there for months

Wildcard, playoffs, 91 wins, lots of young guys getting great experience, loaded with pitching. Thank God we put a great bench together this year. Wren needs to get us a CF for 2011 and a LF for 2012, then we will be set. McLouth’s $6.5M next year hamstrings us a little, but we can survive one more year with him hopefully. Lowe’s contract is bad, but at least we get something for it in return.

Write your own recap!.....mvhsbball

by bighop on Oct 4, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Lowe’s contract is bad, but at least we get something for it one great month in return.

by Braves24 on Oct 4, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll take Lowe at $15M over McLouth at $6.5M any day.If you think 1 month is all we’ve gotten in return from Lowe, I don’t even know how to pretend to respond.

Write your own recap!.....mvhsbball

by bighop on Oct 4, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. Well put.

I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Oct 5, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

10

We got to the playoffs. That’s all I care about right now

by eaheckman10 on Oct 4, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

9

We won the Wild Card and have a bright future ahead of us. It’s time for playoff baseball…ANYTHING can happen.

by CaptainRockSxD on Oct 4, 2010 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

I find it amazing...

That having the sixth-best record in baseball (we own the tiebreaker against the Reds) only earns the team a 6 (or below) rating with some people.

It is fact that our record was better than 80% of the league (tiebreaker w/ Reds included). We have a ton of young talent, both on the current team and waiting to come up in a year or two. Come next season, we’ll have the best problem in baseball – too much pitching.

I realize the Braves did have a historical playoff streak not too many years back, but I’ve got to guess at this point that many people’s expectations are far too high for any team not named the Yankees.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Oct 4, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree completely.

Not only is this year’s team one of the best, but we have one of the best collections of young talent around. Long-term, this team looks extremely good. So it’s not like people can argue that this is a last gasp of an aging team.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Oct 4, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Yankees missed the playoffs a couple of years ago too. Oh, and they just spent over $200M to win the same thing we just spent a little over $80M to win.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 4, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

6

who votes 1 consistently?

by dank7 on Oct 4, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Trolls, obviously.

To me, a 6 is less understandable than a 1. I don’t understand all the 5s and 6s at all.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Oct 4, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

The same type of fool that votes a 6...

For a team that made the playoffs.

Just moreso, in the case of the 1.

Also, Philly and Mets fans, probably.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Oct 4, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

The very reason I haven't voted in weeks.

No matter what the regulars and Braves fans actually feel and vote, the ones who could care less and come on here for the sole purpose of diluting the result make it an act of futility.

I love reading the comments though – they bring insight to aspects of the team/management/farm system I would never know.

My avatar says it for me...
"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Oct 4, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

These comments also provide us with another insight.

That into the commentors themselves, that we would otherwise never know! ;-)

I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. ~ Crash Davis

by Old Braves' Fan on Oct 4, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very pleased

to finally be able to give this team a 9. I’ve been at 7/8 all year and was just waiting for them to make the playoffs before moving to a 9. Great job, boys.

"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson

by Jacob Peterson on Oct 4, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm an 8, and that's as high as I'll go right now, even if we win the WS- and where I went to school, you thank your lucky stars for your B's

Given all the factors involved in this poll, I weigh all of them pretty heavily. The players and the minor league system look to be in good health- this is a young team with no Mike Hamptons in sight. There is a bit of uncertainty in the management with Bobby leaving, but we’ll probably get somebody good, hopefully a Freddy Gonzalez, but I’d like to keep Pendleton. I would say the front office gets a ten. Our GM and his office did a great job this year. My biggest concern, and the greatest contributor to my “hard ceiling,” is the ownership. Not only are we owned by a faceless corporation, we’re owned by a faceless corporation of venture capitalists. I would rather be owned by Bain, Delloitte, or Ogilvy (breaking the mold there) and anybody who knows who they are knows how bad that could be. The problem with the whole thing is that sports suck when the profit motive is the prime motivator- it’s hard to be successful and profitable (harder than it is to suck and make money, that is), and I just don’t know that the ownership is willing to be unprofitable in order to win. Until I am assured that the ownership’s prime motivator is bringing titles to Atlanta, I’ll never be fully confident in the organization. Oh, but a B is a good grade, especially when I expected a barely 500 record to start the season.

"Voetbal is pas totaal als je wint"- Coach Adun
"The greatest sin is to spurn the gift"- Coach Alistair

by Londonjoe on Oct 4, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

Normally I’m constantly at a 7/8 but they made the playoffs and are going in a great direction

by Braves24 on Oct 4, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm at an 8.

Dropping 5 of 6 to Philly in September is not confidence inspiring, but I like our chances against SF, especially with a shortened rotation.

by king of games on Oct 4, 2010 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

8

Not a 9 because of realistic playoff win probabilities, and not a 10 because I still don’t like being owned by a corp and I have questions about the outfield. Oh, and the training/medical staff needs to be revamped. Other than that, I’m right where I’ve been all year.

by soup du jour on Oct 4, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

You mean you don’t like us starting 4th outfielders in 2 of the 3 positions? Somebody get this guy a straight jacket.

by king of games on Oct 4, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted 7

Winning the Wild Card bumped it up a little but I still don’t trust Frank Wren to make the right decisions in the future. His moves this year as a whole made the team worse.

by alxn on Oct 4, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah. Bringing up Medlen, re-signing Hudson, signing Glaus, trading for Lee, bringing in Wagner and Saito, bringing up Venters, bringing up Kimbrel, acquiring Dunn, going with Prado, and going with Heyward from Day 1 were all terrible mistakes.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 4, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. Bringing up Medlen, re-signing Hudson, signing Glaus, trading for Lee, bringing in Wagner and Saito, bringing up Venters, bringing up Kimbrel, acquiring Dunn, going with Prado, and going with Heyward from Day 1 were all terrible mistakes.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 4, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention,

Losing Chipper, Medlen, and Prado to injury and KK, Nate, Diaz, and JJ all underperforming most of the year are all his fault as well. Also, Glaus’ bad knees were caused my Frank Wren too.

by king of games on Oct 4, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sarcasm alert?

What is both surprising and delightful is that spectators are allowed, and even expected, to join in the vocal part of the game.... There is no reason why the field should not try to put the batsman off his stroke at the critical moment by neatly timed disparagements of his wife's fidelity and his mother's respectability. ~George Bernard Shaw

by Chopaholic on Oct 4, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

funny you should mention Glaus

We lost not only him to injury (or burn-out) but Chipper broke too….A better GM would have had an answer better than throwing Prado out of position (which probably helped his exit too).
 I look at his failure before the season…Wow, did I read Soriano’s save numbers?…hmmmm a little above Billy’s? hmmmm Saito got hurt too. In my opinion our Farm system saved his butt! Some of those players he had little or nothing to do with them.
I won’t bash him completly because at times some of his aquisitions have pulled him out from under the bus but If we were a business (some dooo consider baseball as one) how much did our player’s down time cost us….it almost cost us a trip to the post season.

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Oct 5, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Save numbers” lol

A better GM would have the answer to everything, I guess. But you know what? The perfect GM does not exist. The “answers” to Chipper going down were not on the market. Do you want Frank Wren to poop players out of his ass?

He turned a 70-something win team into a 90+ win team in 2 season. Why don’t you just shut the hell up and realize that he is one of the best GMs out there.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 5, 2010 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you saying he is better than his boss?...JS?

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Oct 5, 2010 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is JS a GM?

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 5, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

John Shurlhotz

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Oct 5, 2010 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know who JS is. My question is: Is JS a GM?

I’ll save you the time and answer it for you – no, he is not. He WAS, but he is not any longer.

Frank Wren is currently a GM (general manager), and he is one of the best out there right now.

How many GMs can improve a team by 15+ wins in just a couple of seasons with a REDUCED payroll?

Again, I’ll save you the time and answer the question for you: very few.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 5, 2010 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

God Bless the Braves scouting and farm system everyone!

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Oct 5, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

And the shrewdness of their GM – the guy who traded Vazquez for Vizcaino, Melky and Dunn + $8M in cash that he then turned around and spent on Hinske and Glaus, the guy who opted to go with Tim Hudson vs Javier Vazquez – at a reduced cost, the guy who recognized that his team needed some offensive help late in the season and traded for Derek Lee for virtually nothing, the guy who refused to trade any of our top minor league talent in his quest to get to the playoffs, the guy who refused to mortgage the future for the now, the guy who made small moves that made big impacts on our team – like going with Brooks Conrad out of ST instead of Joe Thurston, resigning David Ross, bringing up Johnny Venters instead of Kimbrel – but yeah, you are probably right. He deserves 0 credit for improving the team, and tons of credit for making this team worse than it was…even though they just made the playoffs, won more than 90 games and had the best record in the NL for the majority of the season until Chipper and Prado got hurt.

Btw, to put that in perspective, losing Chipper and Prado would be like the Yankees losing ARod and Cano – and you think that Wren should have simply just replaced them…

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 5, 2010 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, glad I caught you

Hell of a kick by Scobee or whatever the hell is name is. I’d be mad, but I’ve been all Braves these last few weeks.

'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike

by Scott Coleman on Oct 5, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Scobee is the correct name. He is one of the best kickers in the NFL. Last season, his only misses were of 45 yards or more.

He has a beast of a leg.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 5, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

FACT:

Dwight is no longer funny on The Office anymore. Actually, that whole show has sucked since the baby was born.

'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike

by Scott Coleman on Oct 5, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Easy dude! Don’t ruin it for me. I haven’t been home since May, so I haven’t been able to see any of the new episodes!

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 5, 2010 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL…okay I won’t say anything. Did you finish Season 6?

'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike

by Scott Coleman on Oct 5, 2010 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

FACT: I disagree.

I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
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by cbwilk on Oct 5, 2010 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Venters

Was in the Farm system….whether he brought him up or just went with O’flatery was not a hard decision….I wonder if Medlin’s injury was because he was “yo-yo’d” between starter and long reliever
One name you have convieniently omitted…..Kawakami???? Or Vazquesz..say his name…he sucked this year for Yanks but I bet he would have done just fine for us….oh yeah..Dunn has been ok for us but that GS in Philly hurt like hell or was that Venters that gave up one here…damn I getting it mixed up! Must be the price you pay for having so much replacement youth on a team? I would call our 90 plus wins this year a feat of extreme luck….how many comeback wins did we have …15?

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Oct 5, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

1. Who is Medlin?
2. Don’t you dare infer that I don’t know about KK. I think I have made myself perfectly clear on that subject.
3. Vazquez – are you seriously basing an argument on something that you perceive WOULD have happened, vice what DID happen?
4. Luck wins – who cares what you think? Wins are wins. Come-back wins are not lucky – especially when they are repeated. They show that we have a strong bullpen and a strong bench. They also show that our starters kept us in the game and that our offense was always within striking distance. To me, a comeback win completely negates your argument vs supports it.
5. You have yet to provide one piece of credible evidence that Wren has made this team worse, and you CAN’T provide that evidence, bc this team is, in fact, not worse.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 5, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

and yes JS is not the GM...he is his (FW) Boss

Yes, JS had the deep pockets of Ted to go get the best out there on the market but he had an eye for quality……Maybe I miss those days but it makes me ask a lot of “whys” when our team that started the season has only two of them playing at the end…..are we that Cheap? Was Jim Edmonds number better than Glaus? I think he at least played through August?

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Oct 5, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Glaus was much better than Edmonds.

Also, the GM has NOTHING to do with the size of his payroll – other than he is forced to work within the confines of that payroll. Frank Wren took a 70-something win team and turned it into a 91 win team in 2 season with a reduced payroll. You cannot deny that.

You say you miss the days of getting the best on the market and spending big – what did that do for the yanks? 4 more wins than the braves and a WC spot – at a cost of over $200M. No thanks.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 5, 2010 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yankees...puke...why do you want to bring them up..and their how many WS rings in the last 11 years????

uhh we have how many in that time?

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Oct 5, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because they spent big on free agenst this past season, trading and buying the top names on the market – and that got them a whopping 4 more wins than we got, they also won the WC like we did – and they spent more than $120M more than we did to get to the same place we are now.

We have a better rotation, better BP and a better bench than they do.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 5, 2010 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

That 30 mil per extra win will pay huge dividends later when the Yankees become a perennial powerhouse!

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by UMDBHIK on Oct 5, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schuerholz. You should at least know how to spell his name.

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by cbwilk on Oct 5, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently, he doesn’t know much about the Braves at all – let alone how to spell Schuerholz’ name.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 5, 2010 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well you suck at numbering paragraphs for no apparent reason!

Excuse the bleep out of me for not being able to spell everything! I don’t give a flying rats ass about that if I am supplying some topic points and not calling out other’s personal misgivings. Stick to your gushy gushy love of FW and I will at least understand.

If it bothers you that I occationally spell a word wrong get over it! If not then can you kindly point to the spell check (which I have not found the button for it). If you can’t and this as your final argument with the points I bring up then you sux!

So, please explain the numbered paragraph reply from above….
(Medlen, Yes smart ass I looked up how to spell his name right.)…
I will expand on what you started as a dig and turn it around to start a proper argument. That FW is NOT the greatest GM
so, say, "Just " let us make a list of our injuries and see what kind of influence FW had on them.

1. Medlen….I think he was jerked between bullpen and starter which I would think your “buddy” had a hand in…the result: torn Ligament in elbow.
2. Chipper Jones; Having to play everyday because there was not a reliable bat to carry his weight (and D fense)
3. Glaus : legs/knees…Should have been shut down midway June…for heavens sake he looked like Kirk Gibson while running the bases..even then…FW FW where were you then?
4. Finally, Prado…yeah he got his hand hurt which was no fault of FWs BUT I would never guess you would pull a player of his quality away from his position he earned during a season…FW, FW was your hand in this?
5. Let us look back when FW was made GM…what was the team he inherited???…..They considered getting D-roe back to beef it up there at 3rd but decided to go a different direction….Chipper should have already been moved to first base to lengthen his NL playing days and last years buy fest for pitching should have stopped with Vazquez…yeah Lowe is gold now but you and quite a few wanted his head during last season and this one.
Ok…good starting point
ps if you want to jump in on this CB w/o the same BLAH BLAH you can’t spell thing fill free I would at least get more info from your feedback

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Oct 5, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

hahahaha.

You are blaming Frank Wren for player injuries. GREAT argument. In fact, it is so great, that I am not even going to counter it. I am just going to let it stand.

I am rec-ing this.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 6, 2010 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I guess

It would take a great GM to know that the players he was buying, plus what he had on field, would not hold up to a full season of playing….Oh thats right FW is not “Great”

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Oct 8, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, one more thing – you realize that Soriano was leaving us either way, right? We weren’t bringing him back. That was out of Wren’s control.

And last time I checked, Billy Wagner was one of the best relief pitchers in the history of the game (who may have just had his best season yet) and Soriano was never anything more than a guy who could be great if he stayed healthy.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 5, 2010 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Maybe

but Soriano is not hurt now…and will pitch in the postseason…maybe he would have signed for at least two years unlike 1 and done BW…(I do respect him though….history wise)

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Oct 5, 2010 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wagner is not hurt now either…and will pitch in the post season…and he isn’t coming back next year, which opens the door for our other guys – Kimbrel/Venters.

Are you seriously criticizing Frank Wren for bringing in Billy Wagner?

This is beyond ridiculous.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 5, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

only just that BW is leaving...did Rafi sign a one year deal with TB....uhhhhwas it three?

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Oct 5, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t even know how to respond to this. Rafi signed a deal with us, and we traded him. Anything beyond that is pointless – especially considering we can get equal production for league minimum from either Venters or Kimbrel next season.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 5, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't aware...

That the GM had the power to run players’ lives.

BIlly signed a two-year deal with the understanding he’d be there for both years. Billy decided he wanted to retire instead. Nothing Wren can do about that.

Also, Soriano never agreed to a deal. He accepted arbitration AFTER Wagner and Saito were already signed. He forced the trade.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Oct 5, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

three years does not make a GM great

I would have to say that the success of this team can be attributed more to the greatest Coach of all time Bobby Cox.

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Oct 5, 2010 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, it doesn’t. But turning a 70-win team into a 90-win team in 2 years with a lower payroll kinda does…

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 5, 2010 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Once he accepted arb...

then it kind of was in Wren’s control. So you’re wrong on that. And Soriano also fits into that “may have just had his best season yet” mold.

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 5, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am not wrong in saying that Wren had no control over what Soriano did. Nor am I wrong in the stance that Wagner is a better reliever than Soriano.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 5, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, but you are wrong in saying that...

We weren’t bringing [Soriano] back. That was out of Wren’s control.

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 5, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

We weren’t ever planning on bringing him back. Signing Wagner before the arbitration deadline proves this. Wagner was our guy, Soriano was out. Then, Soriano did what he should have done, given the nature of the market at the time, and accepted our arbitration offer – to our surprise. Now, Wren was forced to trade him, because Soriano was never in the Brave’s plans for 2010.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 5, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mr. S...your my hero!!!!

Justin, admit it, before Wagner entered the picture you know they had some type of discussion with him…..and really would Arb really cost waaaayyyy toooo much?

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Oct 5, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I am sure that the Braves, at some point, had a discussion with their current closer about his plans to resign with them in the offseason. They offered him arbitration – something like $8M, IIRC – and he, to their surprise, accepted it.

And yes, $8M for Soriano, $10M for Wagner and $6M for Saito would have cost wayyyyyyyyyyy too much.

PS, It’s “you’re.”

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 6, 2010 5:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you on all points, except...

Well…I was going to say, “…trading for Lee.” Then I actually bothered to look up his post-trade stats: .287/.384/.465 3 HR 24 RBI. Ok, so he did a respectable job at the plate overall, though I gotta say that in many of the PAs I saw, he dropped a failbomb up there. Whatever. The stats say he did a good job.

What didn’t manifest was the homers, but that has been the story on DLee all season. Again, whatever. His SLUG says he hit for respectable xbh power, and I’ll take that out of a guy whose skills are slipping with age.

Basically we needed someone who was better than replacement level to stand in at first after the knees went out on Glaus. According to baseball-reference.com (), DLee wasn’t that guy. But I recognize that “that guy” probably wasn’t available on the trade market, either. So I’ll take what we got and be thankful.

Also, re: going with Prado. I’d wager that Bobby had more to do with that call than Wren did. Then again, I don’t care who deserves the credit. Great move. Well done.

What is both surprising and delightful is that spectators are allowed, and even expected, to join in the vocal part of the game.... There is no reason why the field should not try to put the batsman off his stroke at the critical moment by neatly timed disparagements of his wife's fidelity and his mother's respectability. ~George Bernard Shaw

by Chopaholic on Oct 4, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correction.

According to baseball-reference.com, DL was that guy.

Move along.

What is both surprising and delightful is that spectators are allowed, and even expected, to join in the vocal part of the game.... There is no reason why the field should not try to put the batsman off his stroke at the critical moment by neatly timed disparagements of his wife's fidelity and his mother's respectability. ~George Bernard Shaw

by Chopaholic on Oct 4, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Overall I agree with your comments and assessment of Derrek Lee.

The one point I must comment on was:

…though I gotta say that in many of the PAs I saw, he dropped a failbomb up there

We have to remember that when it comes to batting in MLB, someone that fails 75% of the time is good and someone that fails 70% of the time is considered one of the best. Meaning, if someone fails in their attemtps to hit the ball 70% of the time, they have a .300 batting average. How many Braves fit that profile this year?

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by Old Braves' Fan on Oct 4, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was true 10 years ago.

Hitting .300 now doesn’t make you good. BA is such an outdated stat.

by king of games on Oct 4, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why’s everybody gotta be hatin’ on Infante!?

Oh, I remember – haters gon’ hate.

"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."

by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Oct 4, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

His moves this year as a whole made the team worse.

How can you even argue this? We won 86 games last year and didn’t make the playoffs….Even if you didn’t like his moves, the team is not worse.

Baseball is like church. Many attend but few understand.

by kauf67 on Oct 4, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haters gotta hate.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Oct 4, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is an absolutely ridiculous statement.

The ONLY move that made the team worse was Blanco for Ankiel.

Every other trade was an improvement or a push.

"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."

by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Oct 4, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sticking with 7 this week.

As always, the future is so bright, I gotta wear shades.

I’m a bit iffy on the management part of our future until I know who the Braves are getting to replace someone who is simply irreplaceable in my eyes.

I’m confident in the front office and in Wren’s ability to evaluate the holes in our lineup/fielding and acquire the upgrades we so obviously need.

As for performance of on the field, I’m not so optimistic. I don’t know what the hell we are celebrating around here. The only reason we have the Wild Card right now, rather than having to win a playoff game for it, is because the Giants beat the Padres last night. By any objective measure, we stumbled backwards into our playoff berth…and we almost let that slip away. So while I will cheer loud and proud for my Braves each and every game, the surety with which a felt that our team was a legitimate World Series team earlier this year has been methodically tempered of late.

What is both surprising and delightful is that spectators are allowed, and even expected, to join in the vocal part of the game.... There is no reason why the field should not try to put the batsman off his stroke at the critical moment by neatly timed disparagements of his wife's fidelity and his mother's respectability. ~George Bernard Shaw

by Chopaholic on Oct 4, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm at 8...again.

Nothing has changed about the organization from one week to the next for a while. Sure, players have gotten hurt and had to be replaced on the active ML roster, but that does not affect my confidence in the organization. Nor should it anyone’s. Sure, it may affect the outcome of a team’s game, or a few games, but doesn’t affect the overall concept of what the organization is doing, or attemtpting to do down the road.

I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. ~ Crash Davis

by Old Braves' Fan on Oct 4, 2010 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll continue to ask this question until there's some kind of coherent response

WHY IN THE WORLD DO WE HAVE THIS POLL WEEKLY? It’s just asonine at this point. Same exact thread every week. If anyone changed their vote based on the team’s play the veterans and/or mods rip on them for not understanding the meaning of the poll. If the on-field play of the major league team should only 3.8% of someone’s confidence poll vote then why dont you only post the poll at the beginning and end of seasons, at the all-star break, draft, and after big trades?

"IN THE AIR LEFT FIELD- THAT'LL DO IT!... AND IT KEEPS ON GOING; THAT IS A HOMERUN!"

by 15ks on Oct 4, 2010 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Best guess....

It takes care of lots of Mondays. Today we have several front page stories, most Mondays we get the FCP and a game thread. Done.

Write your own recap!.....mvhsbball

by bighop on Oct 4, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It inspires debate

Which is kinda the point of a blog, is it not?

by king of games on Oct 4, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

but there's nothing productive about this particular debate

Every week it’s the same trivial argument which does not center on braves baseball or the brave’s organization but rather people challenging each other’s voting criteria which don’t ever change. What if, instead of less frequently then, each week this post has a number of polls; confidence in the current team’s ability to win, talent confidence, farm system confidence, managerial confident and ownership/front office confidence, THEN, lastly overall organizational confidence, so people can consider how to best composite their above votes?

"IN THE AIR LEFT FIELD- THAT'LL DO IT!... AND IT KEEPS ON GOING; THAT IS A HOMERUN!"

by 15ks on Oct 4, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

My usual...

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Oct 4, 2010 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

You're a saint.

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by Scott Coleman on Oct 4, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

7

after being at 9 most of the year, the swoon down the stretch has me a bit worried about playoff sustainability. The farm’s doing well, and the future’s bright. I think the Giants are beatable if the Gods favor us for once.

"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton

by UMDBHIK on Oct 4, 2010 10:42 PM EDT reply actions  

8

Because the recent loss of five out of six games to the Phillies shook me up. I was always voting ten in the past. I recognize that this poll is about a bigger thing than just recent woes or successes, but they still factor in. That being said, this is baseball, and I can tell you, if anyone had predicted that the last 12 games for all the National League contenders would go like it did, I would have laughed. But there it is, and we are in. So I still consider an 8 a pretty high vote, and even though I may not be 100% confident, I still like our chances. And I am really proud of the organization for putting together a team that made it to the playoffs! That is quite an accomplishment regardless of what happen from here. Go Braves!

by BravesFaninAZ on Oct 5, 2010 1:45 AM EDT reply actions  

9

I’ve been at an 8 nearly the entire season with the exception of a few 7’s. Anything under a 7 I can’t really understand. This team lost 2of it’s best hitters and 2 very good starters for a good deal of the year and managed to battle for and hold on to a playoff spot. Although they haven’t been playing great as of late, the Braves got themselves into a position where they had some margin for error in case of injuries/sub par play. We’ve really stepped up when we most needed to (Marlins series anyone?) and won when we most needed to on Sunday.

We have multiple young guys who’ve stepped up into starting roles and flourished, a savvy GM who isn’t trading away our future for one shot, and one of the best farm systems in baseball.

Sure, the Phillies are a better team than us, and I’ll be scared shitless if we face them in the playoffs, but the better team doesn’t always win. Seems as if many voters compare the 2010 Braves to the 2010 Phillies and come up with a lower rating than they otherwise would have. Because of how good the Phils look right now. In 10 years the Phillies might be back to mediocre and our farm system will still be pumping out all stars. This organization is rock sold.

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by kauf67 on Oct 5, 2010 1:55 AM EDT reply actions  

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