The Braves "Won" the "Melky Cabrera Trade"
Let's start off by explaining the sarcastiquotes in the title. The quotes around "Won" are kind of obvious, since neither the Braves nor the Yankees have gotten much value from last winter's blockbuster trade that sent Javier Vazquez and Boone Logan to New York and Melky Cabrera, Michael Dunn, and Arodys Vizcaino to Atlanta. So far, you'd obviously have to call both teams "losers," though I think it's pretty clear that the Braves' end of the deal has been relatively less bad than the Yankees' end.
As for the quotes around "Melky Cabrera Trade," that's because I'm sick of mainstream commentators (even the Braves' own announcers) characterizing Cabrera as the centerpiece of the deal. I understand that he was the only piece on our end that started in the big leagues, but anyone with even the slightest knowledge of prospect evaluation can tell that, from the Braves' perspective, the trade was all about acquiring Vizcaino. And saving money, of course.
It is probably too early to really judge this trade; we still have no idea what kind of value the Braves will get from Vizcaino, and Dunn looks to be a cheap, helpful bullpen arm for the next few years as well. The same goes, to a lesser extent, for Boone Logan and the Yankees. We can, however, safely close the book on Melky's time in Atlanta (now that the Braves have released him) and Vazquez's time in New York (since there's no way they offer him arbitration).
The full breakdown is after the jump.
So let's perform a cost analysis for where this deal stands at this point, keeping in mind that if Vizcaino amounts to anything, the trade will only look better for the Braves. All dollar values are based on the WAR statistics from Baseball Reference (BR) and FanGraphs (FG). This season, 1 WAR was worth about $4.1 million on the free-agent market. I got salary data from the amazing Cot's Baseball Contracts.
Just as a disclaimer, yes, I know that many people are skeptical of WAR. But in this case, anyway, the traditional statistics tell basically the same story (just with less precision): Vazquez and Melky sucked in fairly big roles, while Dunn and Logan were pretty good in smaller roles. Feel free to chime in if you disagree with the numbers.
Braves
Cabrera
$3.1M salary
Worth between $-4.9M (FG) and $-1.6M (BR)--yes, those are negative dollar values.
Underperformed by $4.7M to $8.0M.
Dunn
~$0.15M salary (pro-rated MLB minimum)
Worth between $0.5M (FG) and $1.6M (BR).
Overperformed by $0.3M to $1.4M.
Extras
The Braves received $0.5M from the Yankees in the trade (not to mention Vizcaino).
Total So Far
The Braves side of the trade is underperforming by $2.8M to $7.2M; Dunn and Vizcaino are still pre-arbitration.
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Yankees
Vazquez
$11.5M salary
Worth between $-0.8M (FG) and $0.0M (BR).
Underperformed by $11.5M to $12.3M.
Logan
$0.59M salary
Worth between $1.5M (FG) and $3.7M (BR).
Overperformed by $0.9M to $3.1M.
Total So Far
The Yankees side of the trade is underperforming by $8.4M to $11.4M; Logan is a second-year arbitration case.
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Putting that all together, the Braves have lost less value from the trade so far. They also have the better and cheaper remaining assets. Basically, in order for the Yankees to get the better value from this trade, Logan will have to be a much better value going forward than Dunn and Vizcaino combined. Which seems pretty darn unlikely if you ask me, especially since Logan is due a raise in arbitration this year (if the Yankees even offer him arbitration).
None of this is to argue that this trade was necessarily the best one Frank Wren could have made. I do think it is very likely that he didn't have any clearly better offers, but the only ones who can say for sure are Wren and the other GMs that he was in discussions with. Obviously we all would have preferred if Wren could have gotten a top prospect like Vizcaino and immediate help for the major league club in exchange for Vazquez, but not every trade can be a knockout victory. Sometimes you have to settle for mediocrity now and hope for the future.
As I mentioned at the top, this trade from the Braves' perspective was all about getting Arodys Vizcaino and saving money. It certainly appears that the money aspect of the equation is working out in the Braves' favor (or at least, it's not hurting them as much as it hurt the Yankees). If Vizcaino turns into a quality big-leaguer, Braves fans will forget all about Melky Cabrera's antics, and this trade will go from "relatively less bad" to "actually pretty good."
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Hey, Johnny had a pretty darn good year for us.
But yeah, if Vizcaino works out, this will be much better.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Oct 21, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice write up
I agree 100%. This whole trade was about Vizcaino, but I think Dunn was a nice surprise out of the pen late in the year, especially when we lost EOF. But people who actually think Melky was the centerpiece of this trade need to be evaluated by a professional psychologist.
I think we won this trade by a landslide.
Melky did have 2 or 3 good months for us, Dunn was fantastic and probably could have been called up sooner, and we all know it’s only a matter of time before Viscaino makes the top three of a starting rotation (though I would guess it will be for another team).
mitch williams
said Dunn had the stuff to be a dominant left handed closer.
We’ve got alot of lefties in our bullpen with EOF, Dunn, Venters and Wagner(wishing). Might it be wise to trade a EOF + Infante for a Grady Sizemore?
to be fair Mitch Williams is also in idiot….not necessary in this case…but in general he is an idiot..
and the Indians would hang up the phone on that trade…then they would call us back and hang up again, bc that trade is so ridiculous hanging up once isnt doing it justice.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
Also to be fair...
After the second time they hang up, they would overnight a flaming bag of poo to FW’s office, so that he would be forced to put out the flames with his shoe and get the cooked poo all over his expensive shoes and suit, forcing him to smell poo all day long, thus emphasizing how smelly they think that trade offer is.
Don't kiss an ass if it's in the process of shitting on you.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
This.
I’d happily take what remains of Grady Sizemore in the Atlanta outfield, but EOF and Omar aren’t anywhere close to enough to make that happen.
"If you were going to make a Mount Rushmore of managers, Bobby's one of them."
-Mike Scioscia
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Oct 21, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't help but think...
…that if Vazquez had stayed in Atlanta, his numbers would’ve been better. Would he have put up the same numbers as the season prior? Doubtful. Would he have been more effective than he was in the AL East? Probable. Would he have been better than Kawakami? Yes.
The Braves did the right thing
They sold while Vazquez was very high, but it’s just unfortunate that the Melky part of the trade was so poorly returned. They unloaded a fairly high salary for what they thought was a servicable player, a useful reliever, as well as prospect pitcher with a high ceiling. No way Kawakami could have brought back the former or the latter, unless he was the throw in with a much more valuable piece.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
In addition...
they had to deal one of the starters, and do it where they didn’t eat salary. Javy had the extra difficulty of a clause to veto any trade to the West. All that in mind, I’d say Wren did pretty well. And if Melky focused on playing baseball, I wonder how much better of a player we’d have gotten.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
You mean instead of focusing on fried chicken, BBQ, and all the other southern comfort food?
by king of games on Oct 21, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
and nightclubs, apparently.
The dude is rumored to be a party animal.
It’s too bad. He’s obviously talented (anyone who can be a league-average hitter at age 21 has lots of talent).
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Oct 21, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That's hard to say.
Vazquez was pretty brutal this year. His velocity was down for most of the year and his location was, shall we just say, not good. Something just seemed wrong the whole time. Would his numbers have been better here? Probably. That much better? Not too likely. And the fact of the matter is that we shed a bunch of salary in the trade which we had to do.
Plus the repercussions of this trade are not over.
If we can trade Viscaino for a big bat, this trade could look even better for us.
by king of games on Oct 21, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
When you compare the
“deep pockets” the Yankees organization have to spend on salary, VS “coin pockets” the Braves organization has to spend.
Our loss, (no matter how small) hurts us more than the Yanks, with their endless money train :(
*Just Chill* when things start to look a bit difficult-don't panic as you take away your ability to think straight. Go Braves! Go Dawgs! Go Falcons!
Our drafting and farm system more than make up for any additional money the Yanks spend as long as we spend the money we have wisely.
by king of games on Oct 21, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The Yankees
they have ungodly deep pockets.
Just imagine if we had more money, would we be an even better team? Would we be playing in the NLCS?
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Oct 21, 2010 7:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is somewhat true.
However, you must also consider that, though the Yankees do have a very large budget, it is a finite one. For instance, witness how they held the line on Johnny Damon and signed bargain-basement guys like Randy Winn and Nick Johnson. If they hadn’t traded for Vazquez, they could have fielded a much better LF/DH combo and improved their bullpen. There is no doubt that the $11.5M they paid him hamstrung their plans significantly.
As much as it would have hamstrung the Braves? No. But it was a big issue for them nonetheless.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Oct 21, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
This trade was a huge win for the Braves. The one thing which would have made it a home run was if they had not received Melky Cabrera at all.
Frank Wren acquired Vazquez for, basically, one good prospect (Tyler Flowers) and some change. The Braves got a great year out of Vazquez then flipped him for a prospect of, in my opinion, equal value to Flowers. They also swapped 3 controllable years of Logan for 6 controllable years of a better pitcher, Dunn.
Even considering they blew $3 million on Melky, that’s some pretty good dealin’.
Nick Swisher would have made this an overwhelming success for us. Oh, what could have been.
by king of games on Oct 21, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
This was a great trade.
Wren tried to trade Lowe and couldn’t and so he traded Vazquez. Not only did he get rid of salary, we also got a top pitching prospect, a solid lefty reliever, and melky.
it's amazing
the donkees always win trades and this one just might knock ’em out of the playoffs(let it be done please)
Mathew 19:26 "With God, all things are possible"
All we need for Vizzy to become is a #4 or #5 starter or solid reliever...
and we’ve killed them in the trade. Anything more is just gravy.
'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike
In the end I believe we will win in the deal
Dunn and Vizzy are gonna be fixtures in ATL is some way for the next couple of seasons at least, Vizzy hasn’t gotten their yet but another full year or two in the minors and get him healthly hopefully he will see ATL by 2013 season, due to injury I just figure he is that far off unlike Teheran who should see ATL starting rotation in 2012. Melky was a crap throw in and no way the Yankees would even want to resign him. Dunn is gonna be huge for this team, all he needs to work on is his walks which Roger is gonna help him with.
I think Eric O gets arb, but seriously doubt he is in ATL bullpen to start the season, Dunn and Venters are fireballers and need to stay at the MLB level. Eric O could be a mid-average throw in guy on any trade the Braves make this offseason.
Go Braves.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Oct 21, 2010 9:27 PM EDT reply actions
Attrition
This trade was like Verdun:
*Heavy losses on both sides.
*Total destruction
*One side, after a long stalemate, prevailed. Sort of.
Carrying on Bobby's Legacy!
Meh...
I say we win this deal. Only because we have pitching falling out of our arse. Hard to feel good about anything that got us Melky.
Braves Win! Braves Win!
The Vazquez trade is one that Wren needs to remember. By 2012, the Braves are looking at Hudson, Hanson, Lowe, Jurrjens, Minor, Beachy, Medlen, Teheran, DelGado, Hoover, Diamond, Redmond and Ortegano as potential starters. In 2012 we can pretty much count on McCann, C, Freeman 1B, Prado 3B and Heyward RF. Nothing else is really set. Maybe Chipper hangs around and we can use Prado at 2B, but we need some serious influx of talent. Wren MUST trade a pitcher or two before long.
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