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Top-5 Off-Season Questions For The Atlanta Braves:  #4

Brooks Conrad, the unfortunate poster child of the bad defense of the 2010 Braves.

This is part four of a five-part series of posts that will be on the site throughout the weekend.

Question Four:  Should the Braves shift the focus back to players who are good defenders?

Consider for a moment that the 2010 Atlanta Braves had almost twice as many errors as the 2010 New York Yankees. This year's Braves had 30 more errors than the 2009 Braves. In fact, you have to go back 10 years to the 2000 season to find a Braves team that committed more errors than this 2010 squad. For a franchise historically built on pitching and defense, this year they only got the pitching part right.

But their pitchers have one thing in common with the rest of the team, they too were bad defenders. Every position on the Braves ranked in the bottom half of the National League in both total errors and fielding percentage. That put them alongside teams like Pittsburgh, Chicago, Washington, and Florida as the worst defensive teams in the NL. While the other playoff teams -- Cincinnati, San Fransisco, Philadelphia, and even San Diego -- were the best defensive teams in the NL.

For all their good pitching and timely hitting, they suffered too many self-inflicted wounds because of these errors (see every postseason game for evidence). It's actually quite a testament to their pitching that it was able to overcome the majority of these errors. That can be seen in the difference between their ERA (3.56 - third-best in baseball) and their FIP (3.65 - best in baseball).

Add to this that regulars like Martin Prado and Chipper Jones, while not gold glovers at their positions, were at least above the league average, but backups Brooks Conrad and Omar Infante were below (and in the case of Conrad, well below) the leave average at every defensive position they played.

Certainly some players who were defensively inept can be sacrificed, like Matt Diaz and Melky Cabrera. Freddie Freeman should be a huge upgrade defensively over Troy Glaus at first base, and will likely save the rest of the infield some errors. But at what risk to offensive production does Atlanta sacrifice to improve their defense?

Is this a case where the team should cut above average offensive bench players like Infante and Conrad in favor of defensive-minded backups? Can we sacrifice the roster spot of someone like Eric Hinske for an extra infielder who is purely a defensive sub?

We must also ask if this bad defense will continue. Chipper Jones will undoubtedly lose a step after his second ACL surgery. Alex Gonzalez is good, but not great. Brian McCann, while he posted the best caught stealing percentage of his career, also committed the most errors of any year and tied the lowest fielding percentage of his career.

If these are the players Atlanta is stuck with, then anyone else that's added needs to either be an above league-average defender or be such an offensive force that his production at the plate more than makes up for his inadequacy in the field.

As a team it seems apparent that the Braves must refocus their organization on defense, both with the players they add this off-season and with the players they already have. Perhaps this was one of the reasons we saw the Braves choose not to retain Glenn Hubbard and Chino Cadahia -- two of the primary coaches responsible for preparing the team's defense. Terry Pendleton won three gold gloves in his playing career, and could be a good asset and a fresh voice when teaching defense. Let's hope that defense is something Fredi Gonzalez makes a priority for his 2011 Atlanta Braves.

Coming up later, Question Five:  To Tender or Non-Tender

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It’s Matt Diaz, not Mike. And while I agree that we should have a couple bench players just for defense, I don’t think we should cut Hinske for that player

Carpe Diaz

by GoBravesNY on Oct 17, 2010 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ve already forgotten his name…

by gondeee on Oct 17, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there any way to have Matt Diaz start fielding balls at first base?

I’d love to see Matt Diaz be the RH version of Eric Hinske – that way he is more valuable due to defensive versatility, is a good RH pinch-hitter/double-switch candidate, and can spell Freeman at 1B in the even of a troublesome lefty.

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by Wren_and_Stimpy on Oct 17, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

*event

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by Wren_and_Stimpy on Oct 17, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think he is a non tender candidate as he will prob receive a raise in arb

by lund123 on Oct 17, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's his new nickname

Mike Diaz. I like it.

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by kp.atl on Oct 17, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well....

if we want to do that we should keep Ankiel…it’s not like our infield defense was that bad before the injury bug hit with the exception of first base. Just getting a better left/center fielder should help the outfield. I really think we just need better outfielders all-around. That may be the key. If we can get a solid outfielder, that really changes the look of this team.

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by Richie Grogan on Oct 17, 2010 6:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Braves will get some out fielder like a Garrett Anderson type if I had to put my money on it.

Off topic but does the Derek Lee trade look bad now? We lost Robinson Lopez who had a ton of upside. Does Atlanta even get any picks for Lee?

by PhuckthePhillies on Oct 17, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn’t look bad at all

Carpe Diaz

by GoBravesNY on Oct 17, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Explain the logic underlying that conclusion

Morgan: Do you think I could come into the clubhouse after the game and display my ass for both those veterans and the younger guys?

Baker: Well, Joe, you are on the payroll of the team, and you're a legend, so I suppose — holy shit!

[Joe has appeared next to Dusty, in the dugout, completely naked]

Morgan: Hey.

by TradeAndruw on Oct 17, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can say this much:

Derrek Lee single-handedly CARRIED this team during the final set aganist Philadelphia. If it was not for Lee’s performance (therefore, the trade), then there is virtually no way the Braves are able to send Bobby off with a playoff berth.

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by Wren_and_Stimpy on Oct 17, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don't make the playoffs without him?

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by Scott Coleman on Oct 17, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lee's OPS in September

was nearly .900 I’d say that made the deal very worthwhile.
  
And Lee wasn’t exactly 100 percent either.

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by UMDBHIK on Oct 18, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Lee is Type-A, but we’d have to offer Arb, and at this point in his career and with the flood of 1B in FA this offseason, he’d probably accept.

Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.

by award6 on Oct 17, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

and we would have to pay him a lot since he cant lose more than 20% of his current salary

by lund123 on Oct 17, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, you are both wrong on points...

…from everything I have read, Lee will be Type B, but he is close to the cutoff. We still can’t offer him arbitration because he might accept and that would be a mess. Finally, because he is a free agent arbitration case, the previous salary rule is inapplicable—-free agent arbitration salaries can really be anything.

by cavebird on Oct 18, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Type B, yep. So close

Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.

by award6 on Oct 18, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Lee trade looks fine, the trade that looks suspect is the deal with KC.

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by Lennox on Oct 17, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well it did win us our only game of the playoffs, but yeah….

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by Scott Coleman on Oct 17, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best thing FW could do this offseason is acquire Cody Ross (if available) and David DeJesus via trade, and have them play LF and CF. That would take our two offensive and defensive black holes and turn them into above-average on both sides of the ball for relatively cheap.

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by alligatorimpersonator on Oct 17, 2010 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Personally, I'd be OK with one of those (preferably Ross), but not both.

Neither is that threat in the 4-5 spot of the batting line-up that we need.

I say get a plus-defender/average offensive threat (a la Cody Ross) for CF, and try to land an average to below-average defender in LF if they are more of a HR threat. If you are able to a find a plus-plus candidate for CF (like a Kemp or Rasmus), then maybe you find someone like David DeJesus for LF.

That’s one scenario.

The other option is to go for speed at LF/CF. Not average-McLouth speed, but catch-me-if-you-can-Crawford speed. If the Braves can get Gardner from the Yanks (if they sign Werth/Crawford) or Ellsbury from Boston (if they retain Drew, Cameron, Kallish, McDonald, and everyone else in their crowded OF), then go for a Cody Ross type player in LF and drop Heyward down in the line-up to be a bigger power threat.

We need either:

Prado
Heyward
Chipper
McCann
POWER (preferably RH)

or

SPEED
Prado
Chipper
McCann
Heyward

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by Wren_and_Stimpy on Oct 17, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gardner

I think someone else on TC brought it up before, but I wonder if Gardner was on the table, as opposed to Melky, when FW made the trade with the Yanks last offseason.

Watching the Yanks in the postseason makes me really want Gardner (hindsight, I guess)

Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.

by award6 on Oct 17, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt he was at the time.

The Braves ended up with Melky, but I think the Braves were going for Swisher.

Gardner would only be on the block if the Yankees sign one of Werth or Crawford (which they are expected to pursue). If the Yankees sign one of the Big Two OF, then there is no way they keep all of Swisher/Granderson/Gardner with one of them at DH. The NY DH position is already crowded with Berkman and Posada.

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by Wren_and_Stimpy on Oct 17, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

Swish would be interesting. He’d fulfill that RH power-bat role (I guess he’s a switch-hitter, but he’s competent from both sides of the plate) and his defense can’t be any worse than Melky

Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.

by award6 on Oct 17, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is all silly, folks.

Gardner isn’t going anywhere. The Yankees are going to leave the OF as is; they are in the Cliff Lee sweepstakes this offseason, and not the OF is my best guess. The Crawford/Werth contenders are the Angels, Red Sox, Cubs, etc. Even the Yankees signed one of them (which they could if they were bored, lol), it probably isn’t Gardner that would get moved, it would be Granderson or Swisher.

by cavebird on Oct 18, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can see them easily spending on an OF...

Granderson has had his struggles, so who knows if he’s a long term answer. Swisher is in the last year of his deal, and Gardner may or may not be able to get on enough to stay valuable (and they part timed him this year anyway). I can easily see the big spenders willing to add one of Crawford or Werth to shore things up out there. Jeter can’t keep leadoff forever, so Crawford makes plenty of sense. And with Granderson and Gardner as lefties with speed, Werth makes sense as a different style OF than what they currently have.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 18, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some of the reports after the deal said he was available, nothing definite though. I’d like to think he wasn’t, because Wren would have to be a complete moron to have passed on the cheaper, more talented Gardner for Melky.

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by Lennox on Oct 17, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

If Wren was giving the opportunity to choose between Melky and Gardner, I’m pretty sure Wren would have choosen Gardner

by Braves24 on Oct 17, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cheaper and capable of leading off...

agreed there, especially since the deal was about saving money. His speed, ability to play CF and LF, and cheap pre-arb salary, would make him much more preferable to us than Melky.

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 18, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

We need power more than anything

I say we go get someone with a lot of power who can produce better than Diaz or Melky and get someone who is a good defender in center that can cover a lot of ground.Which is why i say we try to get Franklin Gutierrez from the mariners for kawakami and schafer

by cjones2010 on Oct 17, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Schafer has much value at this point. In fact, I am fairly sure he is re-injured and was shut down near the end of the MiL season.

I would agree with preferring a legitmate power threat, but can you come up with any realistic options?

I can’t come up with too many…

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by Wren_and_Stimpy on Oct 17, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are the ones u come up with?

by cjones2010 on Oct 17, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pat Burrell, Paul Konerko, Derrek Lee, Dan Uggla, Jayson Werth… end.

Pat Burrell (maybe, but a defensive liability, and was horribly inconsistant this year.)

Paul Konerko (more of a DH type, and could only play at 1B, where we have Freeman.)

Derrek Lee (too expensive, and only plays first.)

Dan Uggla (an interesting option, but would be expensive both in salary and prospects needed to trade within the division. There are cheaper solutions out there, and honestly, I am not too sure if the Marlins want to trade him – it would look even worse to MLB.)

Jayson Werth (does he play LF? do we switch Heyward to LF/CF? do we dare put him in CF? no matter what, his contract demands, both in salary and duration will be too much for the Braves.)

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by Wren_and_Stimpy on Oct 17, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and I tried to limit myself to RH hitters, as our line-up is already fairly lefty-heavy, and I’d hate to have the middle of our line-up only LH hitters (McCann, Heyward, power-hitter)…

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by Wren_and_Stimpy on Oct 17, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Therein lies the Braves' problem...

…what we need simply isn’t available in our price range on the free agent market. Wren knows this, he has said as much already. Hence his get creative comment. Which either means trade or make do with garbage.

by cavebird on Oct 18, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

The quote from Wren was he was having nerve-related symptoms in his hand. Presumably, this was secondary to the wrist injury, being casted for so long and then the repetitive use of swinging a baseball bat. With rest and rehabilitation, he may be 100% by the spring. Or not. Its total guesswork really.

by fandave on Oct 17, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

In any case, I doubt he is worth much in a trade until he can show he can handle MINOR league pitching on a consistant basis.

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by Wren_and_Stimpy on Oct 17, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schafer has no trade value now...

…that is pretty obvious. Neither does KK. We would have a hard time getting Gutierrez for real players; we certainly won’t get him for KK and Schafer. There is no force trade option in MLB.

by cavebird on Oct 18, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting to hear someone say that. If you listen to the SABRmetricians around here, Cody Ross sucks. I don’t, so I think it’s a great idea….

by John Holton on Oct 17, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?

You’re kidding right, drop players like Infante, Hinkse, and Conrad to carry an extra glove on the bench?

We had that glove on the bench in the play-offs and at the end of the year: Diory Hernandez. We didn’t use him. He replaces Conrad and we might not be having this discussion yet.

Our bench was one of the strong points of the season, perhaps the only reason we made the playoffs. A great glove only guy cannot come in and get the clutch hits late in the game that Hinkse, Infante, or Conrad can. They also won’t come in and fill a hole in your lineup like Infante did when Prado and Chipper were injured.

Infante, while not great, brought an average to above average glove to any position he played.

by Scott A on Oct 17, 2010 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Infante isn’t going anywhere and in the short term he’s fine at 4 or 5 positions. Hinske is a FA so who knows if he comes back. Conrad however is a replaceable player. His defense is horrible and always has been it was just masked by not playing much. He’s a .250 hitter at best with a little power.

by jack dein on Oct 17, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not so sure it’s safe to say that Infante “isn’t going anywhere”.

In addition to some of our top prospects not named Teheran/Freeman, our young pitching (i.e. Beachy/Minor), Infante is one of our more tradeable pieces.

His play everday near the end of the season showed that his best value is off the bench. That being said, bench/utility players are a dime a dozen. Players of his calibar and mentality (that is, being comfortable with a utility role) might be rare, but he is easily replaced on the Braves’ bench. However, to a team like the Cardinals who need middle infield help, he would have plenty of value as a potential starter. Now would be the time to trade high on him.

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by Wren_and_Stimpy on Oct 17, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

we need to have a good utility infielder cause of chipper playing and his inevitable injury

by lund123 on Oct 17, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily.

There are plenty of ways around that.

One scenario that comes to mind:

Trade Kenshin Kawakami and Scott Diamond to the Mariners for Chone Figgins.

Have Figgins play in LF (and he’s a speedy guy who could bat leadoff). Then, in the event of Chipper’s injury, shift Prado from 2B to 3B, Figgins from LF to 2B, and Diaz/Hinske in LF.

Pretty simple. You’d be surprised the number of players who can play OF/IF. Chone Figgins and BJ Upton are two playersthat fit that criteria, both of which could be traded.

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by Wren_and_Stimpy on Oct 17, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Note: Please do not misunderstand.

I do NOT (like some TC’ers) think that Infante should be the starting SS next year.

I’d much rather see the Braves pick-up & trade Gonzalez or decline his option and pursue J.J. Hardy.

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by Wren_and_Stimpy on Oct 17, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why Hardy over Gonzo?

They aren’t particularly different. Both are good fielding SS’s who don’t hit particularly well.

by cavebird on Oct 18, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

i like that trade but we could sign someone like Felipe Lopez and make that same trade to the mariners except for we get Franklin Gutierrez

by cjones2010 on Oct 17, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a potential solution for CF.

I was posting that hypothetical trade as a potential solution for Chipper’s back-up.

I agree that Gutierrez is a plus defender, but I wouldn’t be too thrilled about paying 4M for a CF who has hit .245 with a ~.300 OBP last year.

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by Wren_and_Stimpy on Oct 17, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither of those trades are potential solutions...

…unless we get a force trade button. In both scenarios we give up nothing useful and get something useful in return. Not going to happen. KK has neutral to negative trade value and Diamond is a dime a dozen AAA starter who does not have any particular upside.

by cavebird on Oct 18, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Infield Practice

I really don’t understand why every major-league team does not take infield practice every day. It doesn’t matter how skilled you are at something, you need to keep practicing it to stay sharp. That is just a fact of life.

by Kulani23 on Oct 17, 2010 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

But at what risk to offensive production does Atlanta sacrifice to improve their defense?

By the end of the season we had guys out there that couldn’t hit and they were liabilities in the field.

And just think—if the Braves hadn’t emptied out the farm system to rent Mark Teixeira a couple of years ago, Elvis Andrus would be playing short….

by John Holton on Oct 17, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

and OPSing 643

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by Swo12bv on Oct 19, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Add to this that regulars like Martin Prado and Chipper Jones, while not gold glovers at their positions, were at least above the league average

No.

Article on defense using only error count, FTW.

by kbertling353 on Oct 17, 2010 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Just using 2010 stats.

Average league fielding percentage for MLB 3B: .951
Chipper Jones 3B fielding percentage for 2010: .952

Average league fielding percentage of MLB 2B: .984
Martin Prado 2B fielding percentage for 2010: .987

Strictly by definition, both were above average ;)

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by Wren_and_Stimpy on Oct 17, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

apparently you didn't understand

but fielding percentage is useless, even borderline misleading

by kbertling353 on Oct 17, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

the fact is no matter what stat you use…by my recollection we were bad defensively…we only had a couple guys play good defense this year…Heyward/Gonzalez, and I think Prado was slightly above avg, but i dont remember.

you are right errors are a weak way of quantifying it, but UZR and DRS don’t really make us look any better or paint a significantly differnet picture…so what’s the point of complaining about using errors…

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by Swo12bv on Oct 19, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

he said errors are bad to use to quantify defense…so you give him fielding percentage…which is a percentage of times you didn’t make an error…

do you see the error (get it) of your ways.

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by Swo12bv on Oct 19, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Easy to figure out on this posting.

Resign Hinske guy was just too clutch of the bench; Infante has a $2.5 millon dollar opt that is gonna be almost certainly picked up b/c that is cheap for a quality above average backup that Infante is. Third give B. Conrad a break the guy won alot of games for us and just needs to work on his fielding this offseason.

So you see all of this talk is for nothing Braves bench will be good again this coming season should Hinske/ Infante/Conrad return. Oh yeah no way Diaz or Melky return both were huge disappointments this year and are not worth the two – three million plus each will received via arb this offseason. No DIAZ / MELKY LET THEM WALK.

GIVE MATT YOUNG A change as the 4th OF this spring training and go out an get a true leadoff hitter such as Upton from Tampa and a power hitting LF via trade.

Go Braves.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Oct 17, 2010 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, better defense up the middle, please!

We need better defense up the middle — SS, 2B, CF — and a backup for Chipper in the late innnings and during injuries. By the way, I consider range much more important than fielding percentage, but guys with great range who throw the ball away would have no place on a team of mine.

Gonzalez and Prado just had the most productive seasons of their careers, and both carry extremely low salaries. There must be a trade market of some kind for Gonzalez. Trade his homers for a SS with better range and a better sense of the strike zone. Almost fell of my recliner when he hit a ball to RF against the Giants. We wouldn’t have this problem if it weren’t for the short term thinking of the Teixeira deal, but Elvis isn’t the only great young glove in the building. Remember we went to the World Series twice with Rafael Belliard as our starting shortstop.

Test the trade market for Prado, too. Rasmus? A LF slugger? Some poor team might need to unload a salary and with Martin in return they could hold their head high. I think Infante is good enough to start at 2B. In any event, he’s a superb backup who we need to keep since he costs very little. Middle infielders always seem to get injured.

Fredi apparently has a good relationship with Wes Helms, and he’d come cheap. Maybe he’s the interim 3B backup until we learn if Chipper will be able to finish his contract. Neither is Clete Boyer, though. I’d love a slick glove off the bench at third, but it’s even more important to get excellent fielding from our starters at SS and 2B, because we have some extreme ground ball pitchers.

CF is tricky. We owe Nate McLouth $6m for 2011 so the CF job is his to lose. No more Melky in CF: weak arm, insufficient range. In fact, I say lose rest of the left field cast from 2010, and go with (1) a $10m+ free agent or (2) a trade which does not involve Heyward, Freeman, or any of our top 7-8 starting pitching prospects.

Guys like Diamond, Redmond, or that Valdez/Ascencio character can be dealt, but certainly not Teheran, Arodys, Delgado, etc. I shouldn’t have to even mention that our young aces are off the table, but given the whole Adam Wainwright, Neftali Feliz history, if must be said.

Hinske would be great to keep around as a bat off the bench, but his spectacular final week makes it likely he’ll get more money — and playing time — from an AL team.

by JimK on Oct 17, 2010 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Guys like Diamond, Redmond, Ascencio...

…can be traded; but since they have little to no trade value, they won’t get anything useful in return. Prado, he has trade value. Could we use him in a Rasmus trade? Perhaps. But that leaves us with a hole at 2B (Infante is questionable as a starter there) and the Cards with a hole in center. Still, possibly worth exploring, that is a value for value trade.

As for Gonzo, nobody will trade for him expecting the HRs. He has been around forever and everyone knows what they are getting with him. Mediocre hitting at best and good defense.

by cavebird on Oct 18, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

We need a BIG bat...and some depth/versatility. And decent CF wouldn't hurt....

I think everyone feels that the defense really let us down in the postseason…and it did. However, you have to keep in mind that in a normal situation Conrad should not be seeing signifigant time in the field. I would not be so concerned about having a better “Glove” on the bench…as much as having some depth. With that in mind a couple things we need to consider:

Chipper: IF he comes back you have to assume he will miss time…he always does. That means that Infante (he has to be kept) is playing 3B for a stretch at some point and spelling Chipper every few days even when Chipper isn’t hurt. So our utility guy will be playing on a semi-regular basis. To make matters a little worse…he has become a decent bat so he is one of our most valuable guys off the bench. So when he is playing long stretches you lose your depth on the bench for replacements of other injuries as well as one of your better pinch hitting options.

Freeman: I think we are all assuming that Freddie gets the 1B job. Which is fine (assuming we get another big bat somewhere)..but we will therefore need to have someone who can at the least …offer a RH platoon option at 1B and if needed more (ie Freeman isn’t ready and can’t cut it) can provide us SOME output at 1B. Again, you can move Prado to 1B and put Infante at 2b…but then we are back to the same problem.

Therefore I think the Braves need to get a party time starter…..heavy bat off the bench. In theory this could be Glaus again…but he can’t play 3B….so that wouldn’t be my first choice. So guys I could see…

Peralta-Could he be at to fill in at 3B for Chipper as well as being gapstop when he leaves? He has had decent flashes offensively and does Ok at 3B…could play SS if he had to…and could play 2B and 1B just fine. He could fill in for Chipper at 3B and provide SOME offense. He could also be the RH platoon partner for Freeman.

Cantu- Can be a fill in at 3B for Chipper….can be the RH platton partner for Freeman..and couldn’t be any worse then Conrad at 2B.

Figgins-If Figgins can be flipped…straight up for KK …done! He could end up playing LF or CF for us…as well as being able to fill in well at 3B and 2B. Could be a decent lead off hitter…this year not withstanding.

Mike Aviles: Has started for the Royals and has played SS, 2B, and 3B…non very well. But I would argue that he could be decent at 2B and could fill in elsewhere. He bats RH..so as for a platton with Freddie he could play 2B and have Prado go to 1B if needed.

LF:
Ross would be nice…but I don’t want his glove in CF…and his bat really doesn’t play for us in LF. Unfortunately, though the reality is that there aren’t a lot of FA options available or LF. I think we are going to have to look at a trade or create some kind of offense in LF. We are not going to sign Wyrth…nor do I think he is worth the money is he going to ask for.

Hawpe: I know his defense is really bad in LF…but if you platon him with Diaz to offset his platton tendencies..I believe he will be a free agent and he does hit righties fairly well and his home/away splits aren’t bad.

Swisher: If he could be traded for….I would be interesed in him. He can play LF/RF/1B.

Cuddyer: If Morneau is able to come back they may not have room if they want Thome back. He plays a good RF/LF and pretty good 1B.

CF: We are stuck with Nate. I would love to have an additional…but cheap option if he can’t do something. But I am not sure who that would be…it would be nice if we had an organizational guy who was cheap…worked the count…gave you good ABs…and wasn’t terrible in the field….oh wait. We had that in Gregor Blanco and just threw him in to get Ankiel?

Melky is gone…..
Conrad stays with the organization to provide depth..but not sure if he starts the season with the MLB team.

C: McCann
1B: Freeman
2B: Prado
SS: Gonzalez (I would be happy treading him….or getting away from his contract. I don’t think he is anything with the bat and strikes me as overrated defensively.)
3B: Chipper
LF: TBD
CF: McClouth
RF: Heyward

UTIL: Infante
OF: Diaz
UTIL: Aviles/Peralta/Cantu/Figgins
C: Ross
OF: Young

*I would love to keep Hinske…but I am not sure if we can afford him if we get a big bat for LF.

by calbers on Oct 17, 2010 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Other than your trade possibilities involving...

…pipe dreams like KK for Figgins, and your desire to get rid of Gonzo but not having any other SS in mind, and your thought that Cantu can play 2B or 3B with any ability, and your thought that Cuddyer will be available, and….ah, nevermind.

by cavebird on Oct 18, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never said that Cantu has any ability to play 2B/3B...

I believe I said that he couldn’t be any worse then Conrad. I stand by that statement.

I had read the KK for Figgins thing….if that was an option I would take it..but I agree not likely.

The others are purely guesses/ideas. Never said there was anything solid behind them. I was looking at teams that might have surpluses that could use what we have to offer…young pitching.

Reality is that the Braves are going to have to get creative to fill the offensive void. They aren’t getting Crawford…nor Wyrth.

by calbers on Oct 18, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

andruw jones in left?

andruw jones in left.

1.8 WAR in half a season’s worth of PAs.

would’ve gotten more if ozzie guillen didn’t feel so compelled to play mark kotsay, mike teahen, and juan pierre all the time, and jones was still more valuable than the three of those combined.

by Daniel McCracken on Oct 18, 2010 1:29 AM EDT reply actions  

IF ...

we traded for a full time CF, having an Andruw/McLouth platoon for LF sounds like a nice idea.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 18, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell, I wouldn't mind Andruw as the full time left fielder.

His platoon splits have never been much (.863 OPS v. lefties, .814 v. righties). Hell, now that he has lost some weight, I wouldn’t mind him in center. His defense isn’t what it once was, but he can still probably play a league average center. He has to be better than McLouth or Melky in center.

Caveat here being I have always liked Andruw, so I may not be completely objective.

by cavebird on Oct 18, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he'd last for 150 games...

anything more than 100, and I don’t think you’d get the same production, if he could even stay healthy enough to play 100.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 18, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, gondee, but the original post has fatal flaws.

First, the most glaring flaw: it is all about defense and the only defensive measures you talk about are errors and fielding percentage. Those are pretty weak defensive indicators. For example, does the ball that Infante should have gotten at third that let in the run in Game 1 hurt us any more than the Conrad error that let in a run? Nope. Yet one results in an error and the other doesn’t. This leads to misleading thoughts from you about defense—-for example, with advanced fielding metrics, Prado is shown to be slightly below average at second and slightly above average at third. That does not make him above average as you suggest. At least not where we usually play him. Chipper is just about average at 3B and has a long enough track record that we pretty much can expect that. Gonzalez is a good shortstop and has been for years. Everything we have heard about Freddie says that he is very good at first. McCann, in total, is probably slightly below average, but catcher defense is hard to measure in a meaningful way. Besides, he is such a good hitter for a catcher, he is going nowhere. That’s the infield, not bad overall, really.

The outfield for 2011 right now starts with Heyward who is by all indications and by what fielding metrics we have (except for relatively meaningless ones like errors and fielding percentage, the advanced metrics usually take more than a year of data to be useful) a very good defensive right fielder. And McLouth is poor in center and averag-ish most likely in left (again, not enough data to know). We don’t have any other OF’s right now, as the rest will likely be non-tendered.

As for the bench, Infante is a little below average at many positions, which makes for a pretty solid utility guy. Beyond that, it doesn’t matter that much. Yeah, we could get a Wilson Valdez type as a late inning defensive replacement, but let’s face it, if those guys see enough time in the field for it to really matter much, they are seeing way to many at-bats at the plate. Still, hey, if we want one to fill Diory’s roster spot, we can knock ourselves out, it won’t make much difference.

As for possible roster candidates, it is tough to say. The free agent OF crop is either unaffordable or weak, we likely will go for trades to fill those positions. Hard to just rate everyone who might or might not be available. Furthermore, it is all a spectrum—-defense, of course, should be considered along with hitting when deciding who to try to acquire.

Finally, I don’t think it would be fair to say that we used to be pitching and defense but just got away from the defense—with a couple exceptions and one of them a huge exception (Andruw) who could mask some deficiencies at the corner OF spots we have not been a particularly great fielding club. Chipper has never been a great fielder, our 1B has been a revolving door of some good, some bad, second has not been filled with particularly good fielders, and SS has ranged from good field, no-hit (Belliard) to good hit, average defense (Furcal). The relatively randum fluctuations of our team fielding percentage are fairly irrelevant in this question.

by cavebird on Oct 18, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

according to UZR we were the fifth worst in all of MLB…were were the 9th best according to DRS….so its tough to say if we were any good or not

"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."

Dwight Schrute

by Swo12bv on Oct 19, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

only when taken singularly….you need to use all three measures…+/-, UZR, and DRS to get the full picture…

but it certainly doesn’t give a flattering impression of how reliable either stat taken by itself is, that’s for sure.

"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."

Dwight Schrute

by Swo12bv on Oct 19, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I MISS RAFAEL BELLIARD!!!!

"All I know is good and ball and RAPE!"

by mad_dog_maddux on Oct 18, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

GO FOR BROKE

I’d like to see Atlanta go for Crawford, Werth and Lee. Load the shot-gun !!! LOL

by Johsue on Oct 20, 2010 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

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