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Glaus' 1B Defense: What to Expect

Everyone knows that the Braves signed Troy Glaus for his bat, not for his defense.  After all, he was signed to play first base, a position that he has played a grand total of 6 games at in his career.  He was not exactly a great defensive third baseman, either.  Clearly, we should not expect him to play Casey Kotchman- or Mark Teixeira-level defense.  What should we expect, though?

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To find out, I looked for recent instances of players who moved from third base to first base. I used the 2002-2009 seasons because those are the only ones with UZR data available at FanGraphs.  (For those of you who are unfamiliar with UZR, it basically measures the number of runs a player adds or subtracts with his glove compared to an average defensive player at his position.)  UZR is not a perfect statistic, but it is freely available and is obviously superior to simplistic stats like fielding percentage.

I restricted my search to players who had appeared in at least 100 games at both positions during the 2002-2009 time frame.  Using these criteria, I found 9 players who started at 3B and ended up at 1B.  I then found the total UZR at each position for each player.  To make the numbers easier to compare, I calculated each player's average UZR over a 1,000-inning period.

What did I find?  Well, the 9 players, collectively, had a UZR of -2.5 for every 1,000 defensive innings at third base.  Those same players had a UZR of +0.5 for every 1,000 defensive innings at first base.  For some context, a good first baseman averages at least +4 UZR per 1,000 innings, and a bad one averages -4 or worse.  In other words, these players were (on average) mediocre third basemen but perfectly average first basemen.  Graphically speaking:

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Just to be clear, this is not a *huge* difference, but given the sheer number of innings in the sample (over 50,000), it is somewhat revealing.  Generally speaking, players do seem to improve their defense a small amount upon being moved from third to first.

So what about Glaus?  Well, his UZRs have been erratic from year to year, but he has generally been a below-average third baseman.  His UZR per 1000 defensive innings is -2.6.  This is conveniently very close to the average 3rd baseman in our sample.  So, based on these numbers, I would expect Glaus to be a roughly average 1st baseman in 2010.

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If you are interested, I have broken down the numbers even further below.  The 9 players I used in the sample are: Hank Blalock, Miguel Cabrera, Jorge Cantu, Shea Hillenbrand, Eric Hinske (another recent Braves signee... interesting), Aubrey Huff, Phil Nevin (remember him?), Chad Tracy, and Kevin Youkilis.

Only two of these players (Tracy and Youkilis) were above-average 3rd basemen--Youkilis, in fact, was excellent at the hot corner.  Interestingly, these are also the only 2 players in the sample whose numbers were noticeably worse at 1st base.

The remaining 7 players all had fairly bad UZRs at 3B (ranging from -1.9/1000 innings to -11.3/1000 innings).  Of these 7, 3 players (Blalock, Huff, and Nevin) were just as mediocre at 1B as they were at 3B.  The other 4, however (Cabrera, Cantu, Hillenbrand, and Hinske) improved fairly dramatically.   Here is a bar graph showing each player:

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I also made a radar graph.  It's a bit harder to read, but I like it a lot because it shows just how much improvement some of the players made after the switch.  In the graph, further from the center means better defense.  Blue is 3B defense and red is 1B.

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So the question, to me, is this: which player is Glaus most similar to?  If he is like Nevin, Huff, or Blalock, then perhaps we should not expect any improvement at all in his defense.  On the other hand, if he is more like Hinske, HIllenbrand, or Cabrera, we should expect a fairly dramatic improvement.  What do you think?

Poll
How good do you think Troy Glaus will be at first base (defense only)?
Excellent (around +8 UZR)
4 votes
Above average (around +4 UZR)
71 votes
Average (around 0 UZR)
184 votes
Below Average (around -4 UZR)
27 votes
Terrible (around -8 UZR)
2 votes

288 votes | Poll has closed

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Is today national Troy Glaus day or something?

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by Scott Coleman on Jan 30, 2010 2:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

haha… I think so.

by JKowalek on Jan 30, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Hes a huge part of whether or not the Braves get back to the postseason. He deserves the attention he’s getting.

by Yackson44 on Jan 30, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Troy Glaus and Billy Wagner are the two most important Braves in 2010, in my honest opinion.

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by Scott Coleman on Jan 30, 2010 4:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Obviously...

…you are forgetting to look at your avatar. Then again, as usual, the most important are probably the five who take the ball once every five days.

by cavebird on Jan 30, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

if Jason Heyward doesnt produce, we at least have Melky and Hinske to fill in.

if Troy Glaus gets hurt, Barbaro Canizares is our new 1B.

if Billy Wagner gets hurt, Takashi Saito is probably our new closer.

So ya, i think Glaus and Wagner are a little more import to us.

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by Scott Coleman on Jan 30, 2010 9:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Saito has been successful as a closer...

and I think Moylan could get it done as well. Neither are what Wagner is when he’s on his game, but I think they can get it done. And it’s not Glaus to Canizares. Glaus to Hinske more likely.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jan 30, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Saito can’t pitch on consecutive nights. The Sox had to baby him thru 55 innings last season. Bobby is gonna blow his arm out by June or July. I’d bet $100 bucks on it. And Peter has never closed before. And while I think there’s a chance he could close, you just never know.

And I forgot about Hinske playing 1B, but he’ll give us very little production. At least Melky is a…decent enough hitter and is a solid defensively.

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by Scott Coleman on Jan 30, 2010 9:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Kimbrel if he gets his control...

Medlen, Luis Valdez even. We have some options. I hope we don’t have to use them, especially because of how good Wagner is when he’s on, but I don’t think he’s quite as important as you say. We seem to have more options behind him than we do at say 2B or 1B. I’m not that confident in Infante as an everyday SS if Escobar goes down either.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jan 30, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

And Saito is just your opinion...

not saying it’s a bad one, it certainly seems plausible. But he’s been a pretty strong reliever when healthy, and did pitch on back to back nights multiple times last season.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jan 30, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not that I don’t like Saito…he’s a fine pitcher when healthy…I just don’t like him as a pitcher in Bobby Cox’s bullpen.

And if Luis Valdez is our closer, I’d shoot
myself. Meds has absolutely no experience closing (or even pitching late in games) and CK is a rookie. I really doubt Bobby would use a rookie closer.

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by Scott Coleman on Jan 30, 2010 10:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I really doubt Bobby would use a rookie closer.

Kerry Ligtenberg and Greg McMichael disagree. And none of those guys are ideal names, but the 9th isn’t a mythical creature. If you are a quality pitcher, it’s 3 outs with the lead. The list of names who’ve been effective in the role, even if only for a year or two, is pretty long.

 And there’s always a possible trade if Wagner goes down. How many closers/reliever get dealt for some young arms in June/July?

by Mr. Sanchez on Jan 30, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

But going back to my original

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by Scott Coleman on Jan 30, 2010 10:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

But going back to my original point:

If Billy Wagner is productive, we won’t have to worry about this, will we? Same with Troy Glaus. If Heyward isn’t ready, Melky Cabrera is a decent enough player (especially if he’s only hitting 8th.) to man RF for a while.

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by Scott Coleman on Jan 30, 2010 10:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

True...

but if Wagner isn’t, it’s not like we don’t have quality arms capable of getting 3 outs. I’m with you on Glaus, lose him and we have that gaping hole back in the middle of the order. We’ve got OFs, but very few capable of doing what Glaus can if healthy. On Wagner though, he’s special but he’s also a closer. We’ve made the World Series with Juan Berenguer, Alejandro Pena and a 24 yr old John Rocker, an NLCS with Mike Stanton, Greg McMichael, Kerry Ligtenberg, so I just disagree on us being screwed with one of the above closing.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jan 30, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Closer's are not that important to start with...

…they pitch high-leverage innings, but not enough of them to be that important. The Braves have won in the past with some pretty crappy closers. As for replacements, as Mr. Sanchez noted, Hinske would replace Glaus, not Canizares. Hell, if it is midseason and the D-Backs are not contending, if Glaus goes down we can always just grab the good half of LaRoche’s season.

by cavebird on Jan 30, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, lets do a comparison of the lineups:

McLouth
Prado
Chipper
GLAUS
McCann
Escobar
Diaz
Cabrera

or

McLouth
Prado
Chipper
BMac
Escobar
Diaz
HEYWARD
Hinske

I’d much rather have the first lineup. I’d much rather have a producing 4th hitter than 7th or 8th hitter in 2010 (obviously, I want Heyward to have a phenomenal career; I’m just saying i think Glaus means a lot more to our offense than Heyward does in 2010.)

And we could go get any player on a non-contending team. Just cause we got Roachy last season doesn’t mean we’d go after him again (or that the DBacks would be out of contention.) I’m sure there will be OFs on the market as well at the trade deadline.

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by Scott Coleman on Jan 30, 2010 10:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Russell Branyan is still on the market,...

as is Hank Blalock, among others. We may be able to add one more before we open camp.

And are you confident with Infante at SS for 60+ games? Or at 2B for Prado? Something about his defense has me wary of him being an everyday middle IF for a month or two.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jan 30, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh

When I said “my most important players” or whatever, I went with the thought that Esco, Chipper, BMac, etc (guys who we have relied on in the past) are relatively healthy and producing.

If Esco gets hurt, we’re so fucked.

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by Scott Coleman on Jan 30, 2010 10:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not to jinx it, but I agree

We could get by for a few weeks without Chipper, BMac, Glaus or (pick a starting pitcher). But our organization depth for MI positions is god-awful.

If Escobar goes down, Infante can play decent enough SS, but he’s still a huge dropoff because Escobar is one of our most productive hitters. And the drop-off behind Omar is even larger; the closest thing we have to ML-ready SS is Diory Hernandez.

by Bronn on Jan 31, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

ugh

even his name makes me shiver….Diory Hernandez is awful

by HansonTheGod on Jan 31, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

And just think

Two injuries to the right people, and he’s starting for us. The difference between Yunel and Diory over a full season is easily 8 wins.

by Bronn on Jan 31, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

No, he's not...

he had month or two in his first taste in the bigs, which likely was a premature taste due to injury of others. Look at his minor league numbers, and they suggest a much better player than the one we saw last year.

by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 1, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen

Diory’s numbers in AAA look like a great hitter. I don’t remember thinking his defense was bad. Give him another chance. If Escobar gets hurt, we need all the middle infielders we can get.

by bighop on Feb 1, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

What have we told you about using logic? Make a base assumption off a limited amount of information right now or you’re getting banned.

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by cbwilk on Feb 1, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

This is where I add a "move Chipper back to short" argument

Just to spice up my morning.

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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Feb 2, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Or Glaus

Just kidding, although he did play short in college

by wcubmac on Feb 11, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

he also played a little bit in 2005 and was above average….although it was only 55 innings so small sample might apply here

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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Feb 12, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

What you mean is...

He was somehow able to maintain an insanely high BABIP over 234 PAs in AAA last year, but historically he’s a below average hitter with a poor walk rate?

by Bronn on Feb 1, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Well thank God he's Rafael Belliard

Ie, possibly the worst hitter in the history of the franchise.

He was decent in 2007, but that 2008 line is fairly disgusting. A .317 OBP in AAA, and that’s despite a fairly advantageous .333 BABIP. If you’ve got no power (and an ISO less than .100 is no power) then you’d best get on base a decent clip, and he doesn’t.

His speed, at least pertaining to his baserunning, is nothing exciting either. 22 steals, but caught 20 times in 2007 at AA. Between two levels in 2009, he had 8 SB and was caught 9 times.

He doesn’t have a lot of potential growth with the bat left, either-he’ll be 26 by the start of the year.

by Bronn on Feb 1, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Belliard probably played better defense.

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by FineHamAbounds on Feb 2, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

if Troy Glaus gets hurt, Barbaro Canizares is our new 1B

Isn’t he like a liketime minor leaguer?

by Buttafuco13 on Jan 30, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, and there’s also a reason that Hinske has been a utility man for a few seasons now.

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by Scott Coleman on Jan 30, 2010 10:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Hinske would be the man who’d fill in at first, unless Glaus missed a ton of time and we needed to use Hinske at 3rd or LF. Hinske the definition of a league average bat, and his OF defense is league average. He’s a bit above average at first. That’s actually quite valuable, especially for a bench player.

Barbaro isn’t exactly a career minor-leaguer, either. He’s an older Cuban defector. There’s a bit of confusion over his age, but he’s a bit different from say, Mitch Jones. Not that it’s really relevant concerning his potential-I don’t want to see him in Atlanta until September, unless he just eats up the International league.

by Bronn on Jan 31, 2010 2:44 AM EST up reply actions  

And Mitch Jones could play 1B...

he’s kind of a wild card in the mix. Could be an overlooked “career minor leaguer” capable of making an impact, or could be the cleanup hitter for Gwinnett. Have to wait and see.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jan 31, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

No, he’s 30 years old, but has only 4 years (2006 – 2009) in MiLB. Before that he was playing in Cuba.

by fandave on Feb 8, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

That was pretty well put together, thanks.

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by vooodooo on Jan 30, 2010 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

has to be some of the most work anyone has put into a fanpost...

all those graphs and research, damn.

And I always thought Glaus was supposed to be a pretty good glove man at 3rd.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jan 30, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

ha

Well, FanGraphs and Excel made it a lot easier than it otherwise would’ve been. I’m kind of a dork; I like doing this kind of stuff if I have time.

by Jacob Peterson on Feb 1, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

good write up…. im pretty sure he’ll be avg @ 1st base…..

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by lemke2blauser2bream on Jan 30, 2010 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

great post

Thanks for the analysis. Glaus said he’s looking forward to playing 1st, I think he’ll be fine..Hinske being nearly +4 sounds good too. And thanks for the UZR explanation, runs saved/lost per 1000 innings, I had no idea.

by bighop on Jan 30, 2010 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

Technically, UZR is runs saved / lost over any period of time… I just used 1000 innings here as a convenient comparison point. :)

by Jacob Peterson on Feb 1, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent writeup.

I had been wondering about this kind of thing, and now we have an answer.

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by FineHamAbounds on Jan 30, 2010 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

So you’re saying that he’s better than Pujols.

Here are Pujols's stats: 1.000/1.000/4.000/5.000. That's right. He is batting a thousand, with a thousand OBP (naturally), and every hit has been a home run, and thus his OPS is a perfect 5.000.

by TradeAndruw on Jan 31, 2010 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Pujols is awesome

defensively, too. It’s a crime he hasn’t won more gold gloves (I don’t think he’s won any at all).

by Jacob Peterson on Feb 1, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

he has one i beleive

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Feb 5, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

2006

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by Doghnut on Feb 6, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, UZR actually liked him in 2008: +4.5 at 3B that year, so your eyes weren’t deceiving you. Of course, that was the only positive UZR year he’s had. Other than that, it’s been slightly negative or a LOT negative (-15 one year I believe).

by Jacob Peterson on Feb 1, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent..

Someone is gonna get on the week in review post!

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by bwellnjonesco on Jan 30, 2010 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

What should I vote in the poll?

My guess is that he will be slightly above average at first base—-something like 1.0-2.0. I guess that is closest to average, but it is above average, so I am tempted to vote for the +4.

by cavebird on Jan 30, 2010 9:12 PM EST reply actions  

There’s basically no difference between 0 and +1 or +2 over the course of a season… Don’t worry too much about the numbers, though. If you think “above average,” go with that.

by Jacob Peterson on Feb 1, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Glaus will be slightly above average UZR-wise, but Glaus is actually a pretty good fielder. He doesn’t misplay too many balls, and he has a strong throwing arm. He led the league in fielding percentage in 2008 for 3rd baseman (.982), and for his career, he has been slightly above average for fielding %.

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by alligatorimpersonator on Jan 31, 2010 3:01 AM EST reply actions  

fielding %.

ewwwww!!!!!!

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jan 31, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

haha i know...

not a great stat, but a stat indeed.

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by alligatorimpersonator on Feb 2, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

it’s like as much of a stat as wins…

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Feb 2, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Or "Saves."

You wanna talk a weird stat with weird arbitrary definitions…

by Bronn on Feb 2, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

dude, I hate saves more than anything – they have ruined baseball. Now you have guys getting paid millions and millions of dollars to get 3 outs roughly 30 times a year. It makes me sick. Many times, they are not even the best pitchers in their respective BPs (see Capps, Matt)!

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by justincredubil02 on Feb 2, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

qs is weirder, imo

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by Doghnut on Feb 3, 2010 6:37 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks

This was very helpful. I have seen a lot of back and forth on various boards about the value/feasibility of moving a player from third to first, but it was all conjecture. While its not proof positive that Glaus will be a decent first baseman, it does give me hope he will not be horrific, which was my assumption.

It also helps dispel the notion that one position is easy than the other. Youklis and Tracy suffered at first (relatively), whereas folks like Hinske and Cantu improved rather dramatically.

Again, great post.

by hollerin' brave on Jan 31, 2010 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks. Yeah, that’s a good point about Youkilis and Tracy. I think some people have better “3rd base” skills, and others better “1st base” skills. Maybe the skills for 1st base are generally more common than those for 3rd, but there will always be outliers. I’m sure there are probably a few infielders who are better at short than at second, too. Yunel might be an example, actually, because his cannon arm might go to waste at 2nd.

by Jacob Peterson on Feb 1, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

You stated that on average, these players were mediocre 3rd basemen and average 1st basemen. Isn’t that the same?

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by ChrisK562 on Feb 1, 2010 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

Well, I was using mediocre in the sense of “won’t kill you, but not quite average.” I guess I could have said “slightly below average” instead.

by Jacob Peterson on Feb 1, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, wasn’t trying to give you a hard time. Good writeup!

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by ChrisK562 on Feb 2, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

Great post. Amazing to see that Blalock actually got worse defensively when he moved to first.

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by Smoltz's Beard on Feb 4, 2010 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

Wasn’t a bad back a big part of the reason he moved? If that’s the case I’d imagine his defense was going to get worse no matter where he was.

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by cbwilk on Feb 4, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that you mention it I think you’re right. Good call.

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by Smoltz's Beard on Feb 4, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I find it intriguing that the Youkilis’s UZR at first is lower than his UZR at third, considering he’s made more errors at third than at first in the past few years, with more innings coming at first than at third. And while Glaus may not be a gold glove winner, he’s got good hands, and probably has a good enough first step to be a good first baseman.

by obi_wan on Feb 4, 2010 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

He makes more errors at third b/c he probably gets to more balls in play than the average third baseman, thus the reason his UZR is higher at third because he makes more plays. Unless I’m just fucking wrong.

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by Smoltz's Beard on Feb 4, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope, you're right.

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by Jacob Peterson on Feb 5, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

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