Melky to earn 3.1 million in 2010
Ok, I know we got 500k from the Yankees in the trade that brought Melky to us, or stuck us with Melky as I personally consider it. We're still paying 2.6 million for a guy who is basically Gregor Blanco. /facepalm
Can we please pawn this scrub off on the Cubs and get on with it? I'm really sick of having one of the bottom third outfields in the game.
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Shouldn't Reid Gorecki get a shot in RF before that Heyward kid everybody talks about?
Then you should have beat Gondee posting this news!!
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by bwellnjonesco on Jan 14, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Dump Milkey to the Cubs for prospects and get Johhny in herer and stick him in left field.
You can have Nate hit first or second either in fron of Johnny or behind.
by AlRoBraves95 on Jan 16, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
And in that situation...
…who is the fourth OF? Do we just give up on developing one of Schafer or Heyward and let them ride the bench in the majors? Or do we use someone who can’t even hit AAA pitching like Blanco? I don’t see why signing Damon has anything to do with Melky—-Melky is the fourth OF and can play all three OF positions. Damon is a left-field starter.
I honestly cannot believe that anyone...
…who honestly thinks that Melky Cabrera is a Gregor Blanco clone can actually type a fanpost or even turn on a computer.
o rly?
Here are their lines from 2008. Which is which?
.251 /.366 /.309/.675
.249 /.301/ .341 /.642
Shouldn't Reid Gorecki get a shot in RF before that Heyward kid everybody talks about?
How about 2009? or 2007?
That was Cabrera’s worst season, and Blanco’s best.
It gets me that people want to call Cabrera an expensive Gregor Blanco, and then turn around and clamor for Johnny Damon who would truly fit that “expensive Gregor Blanco” description. Really, what is the difference between the beard, Damon hits a few more singles, and Blanco is a much better defender.
I posted the full numbers in the other thread....
…nice way to cherry pick. As others have noted, you are comparing Blanco’s best season to Melky’s worst. You conveniently leave out the .228/.326/.279 (.605 OPS) that Blanco posted last season in AAA.
Do you honestly believe this or are you just so mad about the Javy trade that you will make irrational statements to justify your anger?
Don't worry
in a few years when Vizcaino is one of the top prospects in baseball, they’ll all think back and go…oh wait the Vaz trade was a good trade after a 4+ ERA SINGLE SEASON in NY.
by BravesRaleigh on Jan 14, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I’m comparing Blanco’s only season with significant time in the bigs to Melky in the same year.
It’s not losing Javy that upsets me. Its the fact we had to take the Melky trash in the deal to get Vizcaino. And, its people like you who constantly talk about what a great 4th outfielder Melky is. You want a 3 million dollar 4th outfielder? Go support the Yankees or Red Sox. With the current Braves payroll a player making 3 million has to be a productive everyday player. A 4th outfielder is a defensive substitute for late in a game. Blanco can do that for 415k this year.
Shouldn't Reid Gorecki get a shot in RF before that Heyward kid everybody talks about?
And the fact that you call Melky "trash"...
when he’s a solid defender, and league average offensively shows the value of your opinion.
As I said, we can get his defense for $415k, so I don’t care how “solid” he is in the field, it ain’t worth 2.6 mil.
.271 /.311 /.432 /.743
.269/.331/.385/.716
Those 2 lines above? Those are career lines. One is Melky’s. The other is FYF’s. The same FYF everybody except 13 year old girls couldn’t wait to get out of town. FYF was trash, Melky is trash. Nice 4A players, not much more.
Shouldn't Reid Gorecki get a shot in RF before that Heyward kid everybody talks about?
FYF's career line...
wasn’t as stable as Melky, nor will Melky be relied upon as a middle of the order run producer like Francouer. So there is a pretty sizable difference, especially when factoring in French’s career long decline.
AND....
Melky seem to be complimented well for playing the game “the right way” — moving runners over, hustling, and generally being a team player.
Here’s an extended quote about Melky I found from a Yankees blog (dtd 5/22/09) with comments from the Yankees hitting coach, Kevin Long:
"Cabrera, he said, has had 61 percent "good at-bats" this season, the highest percentage of any player on the Yankees. To Long, a good at-bat is defined as any hit, walk or hit-by-pitch, or any at-bat that consumes a lot of pitches or ends in an especially hard-hit ball.
“As for those hard-hit balls, Long keeps track of those, too. He said Cabrera has hit the ball hard in 51 percent of his at-bats, also tops on the team. Fifty-one percent is an extremely high figure, he said. By Long’s calculations, a very good hitter will hit the ball on the sweet spot only about 40 percent of the time.”
source: http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/22/the-real-melky-cabrera-part-2/
Hey, and the dude is on gonna be 25 this year.
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Are you gonna quote the fact that he’s got a ring too, and that he’s a proven winner?
did u really have to post a pic of the ‘99 WS ring….didn’t we get swept that year? heartache…:p
He's pretty good in 'The Show'....
by lemke2blauser2bream on Jan 14, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
In April...
I went to one of the preseason games at New Yankee Stadium, wearing my ’82 Murphy jersey… me and some older guy got to talking about the Braves and I mentioned how the Yanks kinda had our number in the ’99 series and his reply was “Yeah and we did pretty good against you in the Civil War too.” Good times.
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jan 15, 2010 2:50 AM EST up reply actions
It was probably the best baseball burn anyone has ever had on me.
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jan 16, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
But...but...
He’s a scrapper! The scrappiest player this side of David Eckstein!
And he hustles! And has passion!
C’mon people!
Wren Be Praised.
WWFWD?
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jan 14, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
That's your problem...
…Blanco’s best season is the only one he spent significant time in the bigs and it happens to correspond with Melky’s worst season out of four. And yes, you have to consider Blanco being unable to hit in AAA last year. If you ignore that, it is your head in the sand.
With the current Braves payroll, a $3 million fourth OF who can play all three OF positions and is a switch-hitter isn’t a bargain, but it isn’t horrible. It is about as much as Reed Johnson made last year with the Cubs. Nothing earth-shatteringly great, but nothing horrible. And your invictives and selective citations of stats shows an irrational hatred for whatever reason. If not the Javy trade, then maybe Melky ran over your dog or something. Melky is what he is; nothing great, nothing horrible. Not a bargain at that price, but not a horrible overpay.
hes a good defending, fast switch hitter who can spell all of our OFs very well, and come off the bench and produce unlike Greg Norton, you’re just sipping on that hatorade right now.
by BravesRaleigh on Jan 14, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
But he’s not Norton’s replacement, thats the thing.
Where has this notion of Cabrera being a good defender coming from anyway? Slightly above or slightly below average is a more apt description.
And he’s not really that SPEEDY anyway. Never stolen 15 bases in a season despite getting full time PT.
Also, it doesn’t really matter if you’re a switch hitter if you can’t get an OPS above .680 against lefties.
Am I a hater too, or just a realist? Put down the kool aid, folks.
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I haven’t seen anyone calling him a Gold Glover, just that he can capably fill in at all three OF positions. And I haven’t seen anyone labeling him as an above-average offensive player, just stating that for a fourth OF he’s a very nice option.
Dude on the mainpage is inferring that he’s going to start 100 games. I don’t want him getting 350-400 at bats in a season, thats a borderline disaster.
Considering the at bats we gave Anderson and Francouer...
and that Cabrera would likely get them in a more less important spot in the order? I don’t think “disaster” is an accurate description.
Anderson and Francoeur last season were disasters as well. Thank god Cabrera isn’t a VETERAN or a YOUNGSTER OOZING POTENTIAL and will be starting 5 days a week, that would cause me to hang myself.
Would Anderson/Francouer...
have been as big a problem if there was just 1 of them, only starting 2-4 times per week, hitting 8th, instead of packaged together with others hitting just as bad (KJ, Schafer, etc), and trying to make them produce runs in the 5th and 6th hole?
yeah, that's fair.
He’s not especially fast (which is kinda why I wonder about playing CF — corners are fine), and a good fielder, but not a great one. He’ll hustle for you, and seems to make few mistakes (anecdotally), but that’s why he isn’t a definitive starter.
Touche
You’re right about him not being Norton’s replacement, but he and Hinske will be getting all of the at-bats that went to Norton, which is a product of the Vazquez trade to begin with, therefore he kind of is replacing Norton in the pinch hitting department.
He’s an above average defender, a lot better than FUGA or FYF.
The switch hitting is nice because of how much Bobby loves his lefty-righty matchups, he’ll get used plenty because of it.
You’re a realist, but hating on me. :(
by BravesRaleigh on Jan 14, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
How is him being a switch-hitter nice when he really can’t hit that much?
by bravesfan91 on Jan 14, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
All of This
Gabe Gross could have been signed for < $1million. I really hope that FW had to take back some salary. If his intention was to get a $3.1 million 4th OF, this trade is very questionable. Gardner would have been a much better pick-up – elite defender, high BB%, excellent base-stealer. I can only assume that Gardner was not on the table.
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by buzzdeadwax on Jan 16, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah on Gardner
I doubt he was on the table.
He couldn't have been
Gardner would have fit what we needed alot better equally well at a lower cost, but I’m sure the Yankees wanted to keep him for the same reasons the Braves would have wanted him.
Shouldn't Reid Gorecki get a shot in RF before that Heyward kid everybody talks about?
poor melky…getting ripped to shreads….id like to come out and give support to our switch hitting, all 3 OF spot playing, 3.1M making, 4th outfielder…..
He's pretty good in 'The Show'....
by lemke2blauser2bream on Jan 14, 2010 4:45 PM EST reply actions
NOTE
No one give the me… he plays good defense excuse
by UltimaParadox on Jan 14, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Add in the option/buyout...
LaRoche is getting at least 6. He probably should have gotten more, and would have from San Fran, but he turned it down, they signed Huff, and he was staring at no one needing a 1B while he, Russell Branyan, Mike Jacobs and multiple others were without teams.
LaRoche was getting some seriosuly bad advice it seems
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Or...
he wants to hang out with KJ and play in a park where he will hit 30+ home runs in order to get a bigger contract next year
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by alligatorimpersonator on Jan 15, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
as the front page points out he is up against some stiff competition next year… and he left a ton of money on the table and theres no garauntee he will make that money back..
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Ryan Church signed for 1.5 mil. That’s still over a million more than this deal with the $500K. And Church is a better player. I’d much rather have him as the forth outfielder over Melky.
To me, it just doesn’t all make sense. I understand that the Yanks were probably the only team Lowe could go and we wouldn’t pay much of it. So we started talking to them and after time it got switched to Javy when they threw in Vizcaino and Dunn. But i don’t think that they really shopped Javy after they realized the fact that they could get much more. I find it hard to believe he couldn’t go anywhere but NY.
Church
is an injury risk, though. It’s no good having a hurt 4th outfielder even if he is slightly better…but, I do agree that we should’ve shopped Javy more – I feel that we could have received more for him than we got. There were plenty of teams interested in Javy, and I think we should’ve got an above-average major league player and a top prospect.
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by alligatorimpersonator on Jan 15, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
The reports after the trade indicated that only the Yankees...
…were willing to take on Javy’s entire salary. Obviously, these are reports from sources (or Wren himself, I don’t remember) so take them for what they are worth.
And even if others were interested, I don’t see us getting a above-average major leaguer and a top prospect for a not-cheap one year rental even after a great season.
I guess I would have just been happy if I heard some rumors or it didn’t happen that quick. To me it seems like we called the Yanks about Lowe and they said we want Javy and mentioned the named Arodys Vizcaino and we pulled the trigger. I think we were so set on dealing Lowe, we didn’t even take offers for Javy. Once the Yanks made us realize we can live with trading him we could have pressed a few redials and seen what was out there for him.
so, your premature trigger-pulling theory is based on the fact that you didn’t hear rumors that might have confirmed to your satisfaction that Wren attempted to get a better return Vazquez and, therefore, you think Wren must have made the decision super quick and without even bothering to check back with other potential trading partners?
I’m just saying that’s the way it felt. I mean he’s a GM, I doubt he truly just said “oh ok just do that” as quick as he could. I just find it hard to believe other teams wouldn’t have given us something better. And in doing so give us a $5 or $6 mil player so they are only paying the same amount for Javy.
Enough of this switch-hitting excuse-making malarky
Nobody gives a damn if he can hit from either side of the dish when he sucks from both sides. No power, little speed, and low BA as both a lefty and a righty. He’s a league-average defender at best who can’t hit well, and that’s all she wrote. $3M is a massive overpay for that skill set. Randy Winn is comparable in CF and a better corner man, plus he has better wheels. Dude is still unsigned and i haven’t even heard rumors with his name attached to them yet, he could probably be had for Church money and would provide the same or better production as Melky. Rick Ankiel is comparable to Melky defensively with the exception of being slightly less rangey in center (but makes up for it a bit with that cannon arm) but has far more power/run-producing potential. He’s still out there, I’d take him for Melky money (If Chip can teach him how to lay off a high fastball, he’d be a gamble more than worth taking. Those are his kryptonite; a little patience would go a long way for him).
Bottom line: There are better 4th OF options than Melky at the same or less money. All this bollocks about switch-hitting and defense doesn’t hold water. He’s terrible from both sides of the plate and both guys I’ve mentioned are comparable, if not better in some aspects, defenders. 3.1M is more than Melky is worth, and if I remember correctly, a guy’s contract outgrowing his numbers has already led us to part ways with KJ and Church, so what exactly is so special about Melky that the rule doesn’t apply to him?
So how did a guy...
…who is so terrible as you say (and you are really going the distance in that you are stating that guys with sub .300 OBP’s are better options) manage to post a league average OPS last year?
I mean both Winn and Ankiel could play all three OF positions, but both put up OPS+ numbers around 75 last year and didn’t hit at all. Ankiel has had one decent season and one bad one, while Winn is clearly on the downside of his career.
Honestly, folks, why all the Melky hate? He’s not great, and he is what he is. An average hitter who is useful because he can play all three OF positions and is a switch hitter. He is better against righties, but not hopeless against lefties (career: .275/.333/.397 vs. righties, .255/.325/.355 vs. lefties).
Bottom line: Neither Ankiel nor Winn is a better 4th OF option. Sorry. Just saying Melky sucks without backing it with numbers doesn’t make your opinions correct.
I really think its because our outfield as a whole has been a black hole of suck for the last several years, and most of us don’t feel Melky does anything to change the trend. We’re just tired of it. It also explains why so many people are counting on Heyward starting in right all season, and demolishing the league while winning the ROY and league MVP trophies. I’d love to see that happen, but realistically I think Heyward needs to start the season in Gwinnett and get a May or June call up. I don’t want him rushed and turning into another Frenchy.
The other problem people have with Melky is why I personally hate seeing him on our roster. We “couldn’t afford” to keep KJ, LaRoche or Church, but we can pay Melky to be a very average hitting 4th outfielder. If Melky was a $400k guy, you’d have never heard me say anything about him being here. Its that 3.1mil that makes me gag.
Shouldn't Reid Gorecki get a shot in RF before that Heyward kid everybody talks about?
That's the thing.
It probably is because of the bad outfielders we have been trotting out there the past couple of years. That doesn’t make Melky better or worse than he is, it just makes the perception different. Melky won’t be an all-star OF, that’s for certain. However, unlike somebody like Damon, he won’t block our potential all-star OF’s when they are ready. I think stop-gaps are more like what we have been doing. Melky’s not a stop-gap, he is a solid fourth OF. He can start for a month or two if necessary without being horrible (or particularly good) and he can move aside when needed, whether that is at the start of the year or in June.
I also think the rushing Frenchy thing is overrated. Yes, Franceour was rushed—-we needed somebody and he was the best internal option even though he still had serious problems (i.e. batting eye). Those problems were never solved, possibly because of the early promotion, possibly because he just was never going to be that good. Heyward is different—-he hasn’t shown those problems in the minors. Heyward’s only comp in recent Braves memory is Andruw. And, yes, Andruw struggled at first and could have been better than he has, but he worked out pretty well regardless. I don’t think we can say that Heyward needs AAA time because Franceour did. Each is different. I think we should handle Heyward as we are—-he is up when he shows he is ready, not before, but not after. I think the best way to do that is to have guys like Melky and Hinske who can start for a month or two if Heyward isn’t ready, but will be easy to move aside when Heyward is ready. As I noted below, I am not gung-ho about Melky. I am gung-ho about Heyward and don’t want to see him blocked by a more expensive option who might not be any better even this year and delays Heyward’s development by keeping him down when he is ready.
See Rhyno’s 2nd paragraph up there^. Winn has never, in his career, OPS’d sub-300 as you claim. Sorry, but saying he sucks worse than Melky without backing it up with numbers doesn’t make your opinion correct. The point stands that he is comparable defensively, and for a guy that really shouldn’t bank on playing more than twice a week, I’ll take Winn with his speed and lower price tag over Melky. I mentioned Ankiel because he could likewise come at a cheaper price, but he brings a lot of pop to the backup spot and with him you could have that twice-weekly fielding fill-in but he could also be a potent pinch hitter. If his price inflates I pass, but at the same or less money I’d take his power over Melky’s pedestrian OBP. If we were talking starter here, I wouldn’t advocate these guys over Melky. I’d be pissed we couldn’t do better than Melky, but that in itself would not be Melky’s fault and I’d accept that he’s what we had to deal with. But we’re talking backups here, and those two options are better/cheaper than Melky.
Ankiel has been quite clear...
…that he wants a job as a starter. At least one team (I think the Cardinals) said they were not going to bring him back because he wanted more AB’s than the Cards were willing to promise him. And no, Winn has not posted a sub-.300 OBP (although Ankiel has), he will turn 36 in June and is coming off a .262/.318/.353 (.671 OPS, 75 OPS+) season. True, that may have just been a bad year, but it may mean his decline has definitely begun. (There, I now have backed it up with numbers, which you still haven’t.) At this point, I see Winn as a fifth OF, not a fourth—-not playing much except for running and as a defensive substitute. I may be wrong, but I question whether he has much left in the tank.
As for the price tag of Melky vs. KJ/LaRoche/Church. As for KJ, he has no flexibility and backs up one position. He also would have made more than Melky in arbitration. Again, as I have previously noted, I take no position on the who should start between KJ and Prado debate, but if Prado is going to start, KJ’s arbitration salary makes no sense for a one position back-up. As for Church, he just hasn’t been the same since the concussion (and the typical Mets’s medical screw ups). At this point, I think he is about the same offensively as Melky and more injury prone. He also would have made more in arbitration than Melky’s $3.1 million. Finally, LaRoche is a totally separate matter. When we signed Glaus, LaRoche was looking for a ton on money, more than we could fit in the budget. We took a bit of a gamble on Glaus’s health, but he has the advantage of being right-handed and having shown more power than LaRoche when healthy. And LaRoche is still getting far more this year than Glaus or Cabrera ($6 million at least with the buyout for next year). Besides, since he signed for a non-contender, we can always pick him up in July and get his good half of the year if Glaus gets hurt. ;)
What more do you want out of Winn as a 4th OF but to run some and be defensive sub? Especially if he’s cheaper? You act like that’s not good enough- we’re not asking him to be the Winn of his prime, but if he hits to that slash line for 150-200 ABs and steals a few bases, while being able to pinch run and defensivlely sub, what’s not to like? We won’t get better out of Melky, and Winn is most likely cheaper.
I’m aware that Ankiel WANTS to start, but as LaRoche demonstrated already this offseason what a player wants and what he gets aren’t necessarily the same thing. If no one give Ankiel that starting spot he wants, and he has to take a backup deal regardless of where he goes, I would take him if he could be had at Melky money or less. His power bat would be great off the bench even on days he’s not starting.
I have a different idea of a fourth OF than you do.
I see a fourth OF, especially on this team with Diaz and McLouth having pretty poor lefty-righty splits, as a guy who will start two or three days a week, not just a defensive replacement and a pinch-runner. That’s a fifth OF for me. And yes, I think we can get better than Winn’s 2009 slash line out of Melky, Melky’s 2009 and career numbers are better than that.
As for Ankiel, who knows, maybe he will have to take a bench job. But he isn’t doing that now. And lord knows, there are some dumb teams out there who might give him a starting or platoon gig. Either way, we can’t sign him to be a bench guy until he is willing, which he isn’t right now. And, honestly, while he has some pop, I am not a big fan of guys with so little patience that they post sub .300 OBP’s on the bench or as starters, they may hit a few dingers, but mostly, they just make outs. Ankiel does have similarities to Franceour, although he is a bit more flexible defensively.
5th OF
is Infante, Hinske, and the last bench spot is likely someone who can play middle IF and the OF (Conrad, Thurston, etc). That can cover the 5th spot. The question right now is who is 4th? Barring a signing, we’re looking at Schafer, Blanco, Heyward, Mitch Jones, Brett Clevlan and Matt Young for the spot.
You left out the best option...
…Melky. If Heyward or Schafer start the season in the majors, they will be starters.
True, but if they don't...
then we’re looking at Blanco, Clevlan, Jones, or maybe Young on the bench.
Yes, but they'll be the last guy on the bench.
We’ll use Hinske more or less as the fourth OF in that scenario. As a fifth OF type, those guys are pretty much what you get. I’d try Jones for upside or maybe Cleven.
I would take Randy Winn over Milky too.
Cavebird the numbers you posted does back up the fact that Milky sucks! A sub .350 OBP & sub .400 SLUG% from an everyday OF = suck! Switch hitting doesn’t matter if you suck from both sides. It will just make Cox want to play him more. Who to say that him going to the bench doesn’t make him even worse? He’s no better than Jeff.
Why are you so gung ho about the guy? Because he’s a Brave now?
I am not gung-ho about Melky.
I don’t think he is that good as a starting OF. I think he makes sense as a fourth OF because he can play all three OF positions and is a switch hitter. You say that a sub .350 OBP and sub .400 SLG suck from an OF and note that this is what Melky posts, but think that Winn, an old, declining OF who posted far worse numbers than Melky last year (.262/.318/.353, .671 OPS, 75 OPS+) is a better idea. Who knows if being a fourth OF will make Melky better or worse. I never claimed to know this. But the same applies to Winn, too.
As for saying he is as bad as Franceour was for the Braves is silly. Franceour’s 2008 was .239/.294/.359 and in 2009 for Atlanta it was .250/.282/.352. That’s really bad. Melky has had one out of four years in the bigs like that. Not exactly the same.
Here’s what it comes down to: I see Melky for who he is, a thoroughly average hitter with decent defense at all three OF positions. I am no huge Melky fan. I just look like one because too many people around here irrationally think that he is worse than declining old guys and a guy who was clueless his last year and a half with the Braves. Actually that is sort of annoying me; I have become the Melky defender and I don’t even particularly like the guy. I just don’t want us to bring in a starting OF who will block Heyward. Heyward is the guy I like, not Melky. I just think Melky is the right type of guy who can keep the position warm if necessary with thoroughly average production but then step aside whenever Heyward is ready.
No too happy about this much going to a 4th OF
So we just spent $3.1 mil on Melky ? C’mon that is alot for a guy that our own GM and coach said didn’t know how he would fit in on the team this season. I just don’t see Melky being around for too long if our OF including Heyward are looking strong and producing. I just feel their is going to be a need and Melky is a marketable guy that we can trade to before his stats get to low and he loses he Yankee glamour ~ LOL.
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