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Around SBN: Are The Orioles Bad Or Unlucky With Their Young Pitching?

Braves Quote For The Day

John Perrotto of Baseball Prospectus runs down his list of still-available free agents, saying this about our former first sacker:

[Adam LaRoche] supposedly turned down a two-year, $17 million offer from the Giants this past week, and maybe it is a sign that he would rather spend the rest of his time hunting deer on his Kansas ranch.

Ouch. Though it does look like teams wanting LaRoche's services are dwindling. Perrotto says it may be down to just the Orioles. Of course, Adam's never been one to rush into anything. This free agent process seems to be following his personality to a tee.

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Go hunting or live in San Francisco?

I think he’s making the smart choice.

60% of the time, it works every time

by ATLandUNC on Jan 10, 2010 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

Hey, San Fran’s a pretty awesome city.

by gondeee on Jan 10, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

If you like smelling your own farts. ;^)P

Viva los Bravos ~

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jan 10, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

even if san fran did suck

id live there for 17 mil.

"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"

by Doghnut on Jan 10, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

can't be worse than Pittsburgh...

I hope he gets a good deal soon, and would like to see him in Baltimore.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jan 10, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I love San Fran, but I don’t want to be there when it breaks off.

by Salty on Jan 10, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Like many other FA thinking...

They can demand what the want because they view themselves as the best 1B option on the market. Now in the last 2 years FA market has shown that if you don’t take early offers than you basically screw yourself longer that you think you can wait it out…..Laroche will probably settle for a either a 1yr deal or anyone still think that can get him on the cheap….I say he should have keep hunting because he doesn’t like SF/west coast

by Hanson-Ace on Jan 10, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Roachy should have signed this deal ~

Simply put Roachy needs to realize that he isn’t going to get top dollar free agent money even though he is in the prime of his career due to his first half struggles that he has every season. He was a great second half pickup for us and he got us away from the offense-less Kotchman but Roachy you are not worth a three year deal and over 20+ million dollars.

I would have jumped at the the chance to make $17million over two seasons plus the Giants are going to be bad anyway so they may have traded you regardless.

Only time will tell where Roachy will land, I just hope Glaus can stay healthy along with alot of our key starters.

Go Braves.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jan 10, 2010 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

LOL.

The Giants are going to be bad anyway. Thank you for your eloquent and well-researched point.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

i still wish we brought him back…..regardless of his 1st half struggles…. i guess we couldn’t have afforded him though…..

He's pretty good in 'The Show'....

by lemke2blauser2bream on Jan 10, 2010 4:34 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Can you reccomend a book or website for me?

Hi guys, big braves/baseball fan, trying to learn more about the statistics/moneyball side of things (read moneyball, liked it, want to read about specifics though now). Can anyone reccomend me a book or website to read to learn about all the modern stats and defensive metrics etc? Thanks in advance.

by fizzbot on Jan 10, 2010 4:43 PM EST reply actions  

personally i like fangraphs and yahoo is currently running a series of articles that explains stats…there are several other good places, but ill let one of the stat heads chime in for that :)

"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"

by Doghnut on Jan 10, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Amazin Avenue just did a primer piece with some great links.

You can find it here. Hope that helps.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 10, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Amazin avenue looks good, man I hate going to a Mets site though….

by fizzbot on Jan 10, 2010 9:21 PM EST reply actions  

Just don’t make eye contact…they will try to convince you that Kelvim Escobar will win the Cy Young somehow…

"Hey Fat Kid...the monster is right behind you! RUNNNN!!" -The Host

by bwellnjonesco on Jan 11, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

How is Escobar going to win the Cy Young?

Ollie’s name is already being engraved on it.

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 11, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Any other big sites I can read regularly I just read all that stuff you linked, thanks! OPS+ is a cool one..

by fizzbot on Jan 10, 2010 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

Fangraphs does a LOT of hardcore stathead analysis.

by FineHamAbounds on Jan 11, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

oh and and a pet peeve around here

please use the reply button :)

"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"

by Doghnut on Jan 11, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

REPLY FAIL

sorry meant for the new guy

"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"

by Doghnut on Jan 11, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

oof.

Thats double fail because it was a reply fail explaining how to reply.

"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson

by 10-4 on Jan 11, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah it was quite exceptional

"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"

by Doghnut on Jan 11, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's a few good ones.

Beyond the Boxscore
Fangraphs
The Hardball Times
Baseball Prospectus

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 11, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry about the bad link...

Fangraphs

"We're just as bad as the old Mets, but this time nobody's laughing"
-Dallas Green

by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 11, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Baseball-reference.com has a TON of data

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Jan 15, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

San Fran just signed Huff, better hope Baltimore doesn’t sign Delgado Mr. LaRoche.

by Adamal24 on Jan 11, 2010 12:34 AM EST reply actions  

He would be SO screwed. I like Roachie and I’ve been hoping he’d land on his feet, but if he doesn’t sign on the dotted line somewhere pronto he’s going to get forced into playing for a mil or two. Yeesh.

by J-Freak on Jan 11, 2010 2:57 AM EST up reply actions  

There is still the Mets job open.

Between Delgado and LaRoche, I think they’ll end up in Baltimore and New York, I just don’t know which one goes where.

by cavebird on Jan 11, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I grew up there, SF isn’t all bad. The cities around it are really nice. So he wouldn’t even have to live in the city. I think he’s be a good fit on that team.

by FitzFan on Jan 11, 2010 3:11 AM EST reply actions  

Called right

I know you are from there…because you called it “The City”….I was stationed there in the early eighties…and when Journy’s song “lights” came out…I knew what they meant by City by the bay!!!!…
but yes he would not have live there and I would not if I was him…San Jose or Santa Clara/Sunnyvale is nice place to live

by bravestatoo on Jan 11, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually...

“Lights” was supposed to be about Los Angeles, but they didn’t like the ring of “sun shines on EllAaaa.”

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

by MichaelProcton on Jan 15, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It seems to me that if a player doesn’t sign by January 1 or thereabouts, he has pretty much given up on his best offers.

Which makes me think that the Braves could still sign someone like Jonny Gomes if they can get him for what he made in 2008—or less ($1.275 million). How come he is not with a team yet? And why hasn’t he played more?? Anyway… Not that he would be a huge upgrade over what we have now but he could hit 30 homers with more ABs.

Back to LaRoche… San Francisco isn’t unlike any other big city. 1—You can’t hunt in any city limits as far as I know, and 2) You have to drive outside the city to get to those hunting grounds. So what is wrong with SF?

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by proeye on Jan 11, 2010 8:26 AM EST reply actions  

Actually it looks like Gomes made only $775,000 last year. $600,000 base + $100,000 bonus + $75,000 minor league contract.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4737551

Is this guy a terrible fielder?? Why was he let go by the Reds??

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Braves Fan Since 1982. Go Braves!
"All opinions welcome..."

by proeye on Jan 11, 2010 8:31 AM EST reply actions  

The reasons Gomes is unsigned are...

1. He is an absolutely abysmal fielder. He is essentially a DH and there are plenty of DH candidates out there and not that many jobs available.

2. He has horrible contact issues and tends to slump at times because of it, although he has good patience and good power.

by cavebird on Jan 11, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

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