Game 139 Recap: Braves 1, Astros More
by gondeee on Sep 9, 2009 10:39 PM EDT
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What an absolute Goat-F**k of a game. Why in the world did Bobby Cox not let Tommy Hanson pitch the ninth? He had only thrown 98 pitches and looked as sharp as I've ever seen him in the eighth inning, but NOOOO! Let's bring in the overworked bullpen guy who had tons of trouble in the ninth inning last night. That's an unforgivable move. Let the kid at least try to get his first major league shutout -- he was as sharp as I've seen him and there's a pitcher's umpire behind homeplate for once.
Of course, we could have managed more than one run if we had gotten more than five baserunners. I guess we should be thankful that we got a whole run with only three hits.
This team's offense and bullpen is in complete suck-mode right now. As fantastic as the starting pitching was, the rest of the team is on the other end of the spectrum.
Props to Joe Simpson in the postgame for really critizing the decision not to let Hanson pitch the ninth. "He doesn't get a chance to lose his own game [...] he's earned the chance to pitch the ninth inning," Simpson said. "He had shown no signs of fatigue, no signs of wildness, and he deserved a chance to finish it, and didn't get that opportunity." Damn right Simpson!
Hanson's best start, and he doesn't even get the chance to go out there and warm up in the ninth. I'm disgusted.
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fuck Bobby Cox.
Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
by mvhsbball on Sep 9, 2009 10:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
How does Frank Wren suck?
I really, really hope you’re kidding.
Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
by mvhsbball on Sep 9, 2009 10:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
GM of the year?
Let’s see:
1. He gets Adam LaRoche from Boston for Casey Kotchman – I’d give him a B+ for this one
2. He gets Casey Kotchman (see above) from the Angels as part of the Teixeira trade
3. He traded Francoeur – of course Jeff blew it by not signing a huge deal like McCann when given the chance – greedy fool! Of course we got Ryan Church – I think we’re a few pews short on this deal….
4. He acquired Nate McLouth from the Pirates. I like Nate, but he’s still not overly impressed.
5. He TOTALLY mishandled the Tom Glavine deal – no class. In fact, I’d say he was a jerk. He could have certainly handled the PR much, much better – if he didn’t have a problem with his EGO (did I say that with my out loud voice?)
6. He, along with Bobby, pushed to have Tommy Hanson brought up to the big leagues – can’t argue with the future franchise player. But not exactly a “tough” one either.
7. He signed Garret Anderson to play left field. Talk about your journeymen players. This guy was considered good when he was surrounded by great talent (Angels), and now he’s with a C+ (being generous) club.
8. Signed Javier Vazquez. A decent pickup and one that continues to impress, no argument.
9. John Smoltz – the ultimate betrayal. He has a problem dealing with other egos (see Glavine above). He disrespected a future HOF’er and lost many of us 90"s Braves fans for life.
Enough?
no, keep going....
this is very entertaining….
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Just shut up. Please. Frank Wren has done a fantastic job.
If you’re so smart, why do you not have a job in the front office? Oh wait! You don’t! Isn’t that some shit.
Frank Wren is the man.
Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
by mvhsbball on Sep 9, 2009 11:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
okay, im gonna get started:
1. Adam LaRoche has more HRs in the past 2 months than Casey Kotchman had his whole year with the Braves. I don’t know if you noticed or not, but we kinda sorta needed some HR power inserted into our lineup. That was an A+ move.
2. Dont act like you didnt LOVE the the Teixeria trade when it happened. Sure, Feliz has a nice arm and Andrus can play some D, but you cant win all the trades. Plus, how was Frank supposed to know Renteria and Chipper were going to get hurt within a few days of getting Tex? It was a move to try and win big in 2007 and it backfired. It happens from time to time, believe it or not.
3. If you’re a Braves fan and didnt cry tears of joy when Frank got rid of Frenchy, you need to GTFO. Most people were calling for us to DFA Jeff, and Wren got a solid OF for him. What did you expect? Albert Pujols?
4. Do you want Gregor Blanco or Jordan Schafer and his 3K’s a game in CF or something? Who else could play CF better than Nate? Plus, Gorkys has been horrible this season, Morton is a 4th starter at best, and Locke has really struggled this season. We totally ripped the Pirates off on that deal.
5. Yes, he did mis-handle the Glavine situation, but did you seriously want Glavine and his 75mph fastball as one of our starters? Fuck no. Tommy Hanson has been 10000x better than Glavine. It was a pure-baseball decision and it was a terrific move.
6. I dont even know what you put. Are you praising him or critcizing him?
7. Realistically, who could’ve Frank Wren gotten that would be better than GA? The Phillies got Ibanez within a few days and Pat Burrel has been horrible in 2009. GA has been a solid signing to fill in a void in the OF until Heyward and Schafer are ready.
8. A decent pickup? Oh. my. goodness. A decent pickup? I dont even know what to say. He got one of the top 6 or 7 pitchers in the NL this season for basically Tyler Flowers, who is destined to be a DH (we dont have those in the NL, if you didn’t know.)
9. How did Frank disrespect John? It was John Smoltz who turned down millions of dollars from the Braves and decided to go to Boston for more money. What was Frank supposed to do? Give a 40 year old, coming off of surgery, $10 million bucks? Oh yeah, that would’ve been a terrific idea.
And you missed a few things too…
He signed KK, who has been fantastic for us as a #4/5 starter.
He brought in DLowe, a solid veteran pitcher. I know he’s had a few rough games, but Derek has been his usual self this season.
He brought in EOF who has been a solid LHP for us this season.
And if you’re going to include the Teixeira trade in your comment, then I get to include the Jair Jurrjens and Gorkys Hernandez for Renteria trade. Yeah, that deal wasn’t too bad…
Frank Wren has added a ton to this team without giving up much at all. He deserves to win GM of the year.
Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
Getting Tex from from the Rangers wasn’t even his move. Very much agree on everything you said though. I really think its time for Cox to move on. This team needs some new blood and I don’t think we’ll be able to win until we get that.
i feel like we did a good job of cleaning house of all the players in the 1990’s, except for Chipper of course. Its now Bobby’s turn to go.
Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
Cox needed to go about 3 years ago. It seems like every year some team gets a new manager and they start winning, while we’ve been stuck playing the same baseball for the past 5 years.
As far as Chipper goes well either he needs to get more rest or he is declining very quickly.
im hoping with the addition of Heyward next season, along with the addition of a solid hitting 1B or 2B, Chipper will get to have a few more days off.
the problem was when we still had FYF, Schafer and KJ in the lineup everyday, we couldnt afford to let CHipper sit. That was like forfeiting a game back in April or May. Hopefully 2010 will be different.
Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
Don’t forget Jose Ascanio (who?) for Ohman and Infante. I think that was a win.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
welll now..
1. LaRoche for Kotchman was a fleece. we got a 1B who actually hits like a 1B (for the second half of the season, he does anyway) without suffering a defensive deficiency or giving up too much in terms of prospects or money. You be the judge. I’d say A-.
2. Everyone knew that Tex was leaving. We had no leverage with him. So we were going to get fleeced. We got the best deal for him
3. Fenchy sucks. Getting a bag of peanuts for him was a coup. A+ for this.
4. McLouth was a necessary due to Schafer being hurt. Who did you want to play CF? Blanco? B grade.
5. Tom Glavine ALSO mishandled the deal. I guess it stemmed from his decision to leave. While it’s not the most popular decision, Wren had to go with youth. 1 million for an over 40 lefty who is on the DL is asinine.
6. Based on last night, Hanson was ready. Not tough…but some argue that a year in AAA is necessary for pitchers so they can learn to adjust quicker in the ML. Hanson, obviously, is the exception. Wren went against accepted practices (particularly the Braves’ practice with pitchers). It was tough.
7. GA was a dumb move. However, he hasn’t been the black hole he was in April and May.
8. You lose all credibility here. Wren did NOT sign Vasquez. He traded for him. If you’re going to assess a GM, at least know what he did.
9. Betrayal? This is a business. This is not about love and hugs and kisses. The Braves were very good to Smoltz for a VERY long time. To say it is a betrayal is not only one-sided, but also completely and utterly stupid.
I guess my assessment of your assessment is that you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m NOT a Wren defender (in fact, I find what he did in Baltimore and what he’s going here to be both scary and frustrating as hell), but at least assess him fairly.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 10, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Cox blows.
Time for him to GTFO.
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Sep 9, 2009 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Soriano BLOWS another great effort, this time by Hanson.
The Braves season officially ended last week but tonight, after winning last night, looked like a classic ‘91 game. Hanson is the future. As for Soriano – get him the heck out of dodge. He makes me long for Mark Wohlers and that redneck racist who used to close games for the Braves. Sorry another Tommy had to endure a loss after pitching his hear out. Soriano should retire and find something to do that he’s good at.
Yeah, I can’t stand Soriano. I hope he’s not our answer to close ball games next season. I’ve tried being patient with the guy, but the guy flat out cannot close. It’s as simple as that. After he blew his third save of the season, many were still saying that he was just having a rough patch. I’d like to see what excuse those supporters have now.
But I do like Frank Wren. I have confidence that he’ll put together a very competitive club next season.
woah woah woah
Maybe if Soriano hadnt been used so frequently coming off of a major surgery he wouldnt be fading down the stretch. as you saw at the beginning of the season the guy was lights out.
IMO Bobby should have alternated Soriano and Gonzo how he did at the beginning of the season. not based just on matchups but maybe like one guy for two days then the other for another two days. only going on that 3rd day in EXTREME situations.
Oustide of that Moylan and EoF should have stayed in the 8th. then use Medlen in the 7th.
by drumzalicious on Sep 10, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
That is great sarcasm
or a very scary opinion
Mat Gamel is way too cool for double consonants.
by VivaLosBravos on Sep 10, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
No excuse whatsoever for not letting Tommy go out there in the 9th.
One of the worst (if not the worst) loss of the year so far.
I guess Lowe will be the SP sacrificial lamb for this anemic offense tomorrow.
I say its the worst
You are *almost*
as amazing as Matt Diaz..
by Titansfan9 on Sep 1, 2009 8:01 PM PDT
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
He just stinks. Don’t ever send him to the mound to protect less than a 3-run lead. If he doesn’t blow it, he’ll give you a heart attack.
Fail
When he hasn’t been overused, he is as lights-out a closer as any in the league. Going into tonight, he had converted 22 saves out of 25 chances (IIRC). He also had a K/9 of 12.0 and a K/BB ratio of 4.05 to go with a 0.984 WHIP. There are a lot of GMs in this league who would trade the skin off their ballsack to have an arm like that in their ’pen. And considering some of the closers that this team has had in the past, I consider it a damned godsend. No other closer we have had in recent memory reminds me as much of Juan Berenguer and the way he went after hitters every time he got the call.
Yes, Raffy stunk it up tonight. Only the mediocre are always at their best. But he, like some others in the bullpen, has been overused lately. His fastball lacked its usual pop tonight, and it showed in the results. I understand that people get emotional after a loss, and will lash out at players in the aftermath. But let’s not kid ourselves about why we lost this game: God-awful, pathetically anemic offense. Period.
If you’re just venting, fine. Vent. But if you are really trying to tell us that Soriano is just plain terrible and has no business being a closer in this league, then I don’t think you’ve been paying attention. Either that, or you don’t know what you’re talking about.
"Brian McCann will be guest starring as Bizarro in Smallville this fall. See, he has to put his glasses on to become Superman." -by Rhyno18 on Aug 4, 2009 5:52 PM EDT
nah
the worst was that bullpen implosion 3rd game of the season.
by drumzalicious on Sep 10, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Ethier, Gload, 8 run fourth, 3rd game of the season, and this have to be the top (bottom?) 5
Mat Gamel is way too cool for double consonants.
by VivaLosBravos on Sep 10, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Did I mention the braves bother me some times, no wait most of the time, no wait ALL the time. Tommy was flat out dealing, and they couldn’t touch him. Why did Bobby take him out?!? This is just disgusting
You are *almost*
as amazing as Matt Diaz..
by Titansfan9 on Sep 1, 2009 8:01 PM PDT
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
Braves Bullpen = Disaster
Trace it. If it was not for the bullpen the Braves of the 90’s would have won several World Series championships. I agree that Bobby should have left Tommy finish the game as he was dealing. Maybe it’s time to retire the great one (Cox)?
Is Hanson going to get 10 wins?
You are *almost*
as amazing as Matt Diaz..
by Titansfan9 on Sep 1, 2009 8:01 PM PDT
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
Not as long as Bobby is in our dugout.
Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
by mvhsbball on Sep 9, 2009 10:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You know whats sooo sad about all of this. I'm not surprised
I have become immune to stupid decisions and heart breaking losses. W.e, our season ended on September 4th anyways.
MATT DIAZ IS THE FUCKING MAN.
OK, I'll still believe...
I love $1 hot dog night at the Ted
It’s losses like these, losses like these
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
I wouldnt mind seeing Mac and Chip Benched
Heres to a iine up tomorrow of
Church RF
Prado 3B
McLouth CF
Diaz LF
LaRoche 1B
Escobar SS
KJ/Brooks 2B
Ross C
It’s what I’d do if I were managing the Braves. Like I said yesterday, leave Chipper in Texas to start his postseason. I doubt we’ll need him.
by John Holton on Sep 10, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
.268 and falling fast.
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
by TradeAndruw on Sep 10, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Will some of you guys and gals
go and check the comment i made near the top of the page in regards to Stoph’s comment and let me know what you think. Am i crazy for thinking Frank Wren should be GM of the year? i think he’s done a terrific job, but multiple people have called me out and said im crazy for thinking that.
Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
I agree
he has done great. he has done the things that took some balls that i dont think anyone else would have done.
Also did some fleecing for Church. Anyone who says Church isnt an upgrade over FYF is a fool.
Im more excited to see what he does this offseason. I really think we could benefit from a REAL lead off hitter. I wouldnt mind getting rid of KJ then signing Orlando Hudson. That way we can put Nate’s bat lower in the lineup. Maybe bat him 2nd/3rd.
I love the HR just as much as anyone else but if we could just get someone to start off a game on base and putting fear in pitchers minds of stealing it would be great. The only thing is we gotta get Bobby out of this sac bunting thing because it would defeat the point only to have the #2 hitter bunt him over.
by drumzalicious on Sep 10, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I want Orlando Hudson as well.
All the guy ever does is hit .300 w/ a high OBP, play solid defense, and is a great guy in the clubhouse, but no one ever gives him credit or has much interest in him. I dont get it.
Plus, he’s an Georgia boy, and we all know how much the Braves love Georgia boys.
Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
Him or Chone Figgins
IF we could get Figgins to play 2B that would be great. Only thing is he hasnt played 2B in a minute. Either way both guys are switch hitters and go great on our team.
From there we could continue to utilize Prado as a utility man and same with Infante. From there you remove Norton from our bench in favor of Conrad.
Things i would like to see happen.
- Team trades Derek Lowe to a team for a prospect with decent upside. We eat 5-7 mil a year off the contract.
- Team picks up Hudson’s option.
- Team signs a closer. Kiko Calero anyone?
- Team signs Orlando Hudson/Chone Figgins.
- Team releases Kelly Johnson. Simply because he doesnt deserve to sit on the bench.
From there we have some options. We can then utilize McLouth in the 3hole and Chip in the Clean-Up spot and so that way we arent losing our Clean Up hitter so much (McCann)
Then during the season we use Prado at 1B. He doesnt give us “Power” but he does what we need. I dont think this team will ever be one to hit tons of HR’s for a few years anyway.
I would field a lineup of
Figgins/Hudson 2B
Diaz RF
McLouth CF
Chip 3B
McCann C
Escobar SS
Church RF
Prado 1B
After that upon Heywards arrival we could trade one of Church/Diaz for a slight return.
by drumzalicious on Sep 10, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
i would think Chone could play 2nd. 3rd is a much harder position to play and I wouldnt expect the transition to be that tough.
I also see no reason to keep KJ on the team if we’re gonna just bench him.
And i gotta think Heyward is gonna start the season with us. Put him in RF and move MattyD to his natural position in LF and we’re set. I like this:
Figgins/Hudson
Diaz
Chipper
BMac
McLouth
Escobar
Heyward
Prado
Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
yea
Then what do you do when Schafer arrives.
Im excited for next year. With the possibility of us having Heyward, Schafer, and Freeman all up next year that should ignite a fire under this teams butt
by drumzalicious on Sep 10, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess MattyD becomes our 4th OF.
That, or we use Shafer and some prospects to get us a power hitting 1B.
Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
i dunno
i would prefer to keep Diaz in LF and trade McLouth for a 1B. that saves us some money and gets a bigger return
by drumzalicious on Sep 10, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
he would
but if we trade McLouth, we better be 200% sure Schafer is healthy and is truly our CF for the future.
Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
where's out 1B
prado? please god-no
perhaps we should scour the market. Glaus is out there (i’m not a fan…but he’s got to be better than Prado full time).
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 10, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Not Crazy
I think F. Wren has done a very good job with what he has had to work with. I just wouldn’t use adjectives like terrific or fantastic, just very good. I think he needs to talk to Bobby about bonehead moves like tonight and a bunch of other times. Using Norton in crucial, and I do mean CRUCIAL situations, comes to mind as something to talk about. Would also have a talk with the hitting coach and ask him why he can’t seem to get this team out of slumps. I don’t care what anybody says,this team’s offense should not be as bad as it is. If the batting coaches would keep on these guys I don’t believe the whole damned team, except for Laroche, would go into a freaking slump. We have an expanded roster, why not give some of those guys more chances to play, Conrad especially. Make no mistake, Bobby Cox lost this game and stole a shutout win from Mr. Hanson.
Senator, we have another old saying,"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." Fletcher
Agreed, Frank needs to have a few words with Bobby. Especially after last night’s bonehead move of pulling Hanson so Soriano could blow the save and the game in the 9th, not using Ross against a LHP who is tough on left handed hitters (like McCann, who’s having a hard enough time hitting anything lately) and keeping Chipper as #3 hitter when he’s at best a #5 at this point.
by John Holton on Sep 10, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
The guy slamming Soriano is being a goofball. This game had Bobby Cox FAIL written all over it. Cheers to you for what you’ve done over the years, old man, but I think it’s time for some new blood.
I’m also in favor of shutting Tommy down for the rest of the year. No sense in putting more innings on his arm when we’re this far out. Dude is looking like a special pitcher.
by get swoll yunel on Sep 10, 2009 1:58 AM EDT reply actions
Bobby Fail Again
Don’t blame Soriano,I’m sure he felt the same as most of us,why the Hell was he put in when Tommy should have finished the game! Bobby just had to f%$king take the kid out and put a tired and overused Soriano in. Some stupid and slavish adherence to a policy of pulling pitchers out at 100 pitches whether they are tired or not, doesn’t make any damned difference to Bobby. Bobby has made some atrocious pitching decisions all year. He either leaves a pitcher having a meltdown in for too long or like tonight take him out to soon. I remember Vazquez earlier in the year wondering why he was taken out when he was doing just fine. Have to give Tommy Hansen some credit for having class, did you watch him walking out of the dugout? Didn’t look like it fazed him much. A lot of players would have been cussing at the very least. Well he showed some fine pitching skill and got robbed of a shutout by his own manager.
I'm not wired. . .
. . .to say “fire Bobby Cox,” because the man has done what he’s done as the Braves manager AND because I have no idea what kind of sucker any kind of quality manager would have to be to want to come into this organization, knowing how in-flux the ownership situation could be in the coming years AND how the team’s record has been recently. But I will say this.
Watching on television, anyone else notice how they would show long shots of Hanson in the dugout sitting by himself during the Braves’ at-bats? At one point one of the announcers (I was at work watching it with closed-captioning, so I can’t say which) mentioned how the rest of the team was treating him “almost as if he had a no-hitter going.” Well, they showed that for the last few innings, and then they were TRYING to show it at the top of the 9th and instead you see Bobby walk over, pat Tommy on the shoulder and stick out his hand. The shot was from behind Hanson, but the long pause, shoulder slump, and then FINALLY extension to meet Cox’s grip spoke volumes to me about how he felt about the move by the management.
Major bummer. Still watching, but thinking about next year.
Tomahawk Chop '91
at the top of the 9th and instead you see Bobby walk over, pat Tommy on the shoulder and stick out his hand. The shot was from behind Hanson, but the long pause, shoulder slump, and then FINALLY extension to meet Cox’s grip spoke volumes to me about how he felt about the move by the management.
I looked over at hubby and said to him “Bobby just lost this game for Tommy”… my heart broke for him, seeing by his body language he clearly wanted to finish the game. Like someone pointed out above, Joe commented afterward that HE (Tommy) deserved the chance to win or lose this ballgame as well as he had pitched. He was watching so intently from the railing and it killed me to watch Soriano gave up 3 hits (for the 2nd night in a row) to lose it for him.
I’m just sick for Tommy this morning. The offense failed him too, but THEY didn’t take the baseball out of his 8 inning, shutout, 98 pitches thrown hands – Bobby did.
by NCChopper on Sep 10, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1000
I felt exactly the same way. I was proud of the young man for keeping his composure and not being disrespectful to his manager, but I was so angry. I knew the bullpen was going to lose it; I just left the room and didn’t watch. If I’ve ever seen a game where the manager so clearly screwed up, I don’t remember it. Like you said, the offense could have given him a little more to work with, but one run would have been enough on this night, and Bobby wouldn’t give him his chance. I’m pretty sure there were a lot of other guys in that dugout that disagreed with the move as well.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Bobby
I hate to say it but its time for change the last few years many Ls can be contributed to him directly. Plus the lack of management in the post season. FIRE BOBBY!!!
N. Tyler Ayers
Unbelievable...
Just…unbelievable.
Everyone has already said enough about the move so I don’t have to say anything else. It’s just unfortunate that this situation/era is ending as badly and as ugly as it is. I’d rather remember Bobby Cox for all the good things he did as a manager and the work he started while he was the GM of this particular organization, but it’s starting to get ugly and fast. This particular team has underperformed against their run differential all season and, if I remember correctly, that was the case last year as well.
This is two years in a row that the main guys in the bullpen have been grossly overused. One more year of this and he’ll start catching Joe Torre in the race to see how many bullpen arms they can destroy in their careers.
I just hope he gracefully steps aside this offseason and over time the work he did leading to all the division titles and the lone World Series will be remembered instead of the misuse of bullpens and playing his gut in the playoffs instead of the statistics because a guy “is due” or had gas that morning…
by Michael Scarn, FBI on Sep 10, 2009 8:33 AM EDT reply actions
He should have left 5 years ago
Sadly, he’ll be in the dugout till he croaks and Wren won’t have the guts to put ol’ gramps out of his misery and send him out to pasture. God, I hope I’m wrong.
To add to my comment
I think Bobby Cox has been one of the worst managers in the game the past few years with his mismanagement of resources and loyalty to albatross players. Is there anyone worse out there that continues to receive a paycheck?
I still like Bobby, but can he turn over the bullpen management to McDowell? That would make more sense anyway. Kinda like offense and defense coaches.
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
disgusted
is an understatement. It’s games like this that press your fan hood to the limit. The lethargic offense is really getting old & the decision not to let Hanson finish out has me, for the first time this year, not giving Bobby the benefit of the doubt. And why Soriano didn’t knock that ball down that came right at him and scored the winning runs is beyond me. It looked like he could reach it w/no problem. If you can get a glove on the ball do it.
Accoutability
For someone who lives a long way away from Atlanta. Does COX do post game interviews after each game like i see joe girardi do? if so are there any local media members that challenge bobby on his poor in game decisions?
most games he does
the ones on FSN and SportsSouth he does, the other times its not shown
and yes somebody did ask why Hason wasnt in the 9th
by bravesfan1047 on Sep 10, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
A whole lot of
“ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh” sounds coming out of him that preface every generic response.
To his credit, he’ll never, ever, bad mouth his own guys on camera, but at the same time, there’s never any accountability, unless it comes from that player themselves. I didn’t listen to last night’s post-game out of some disgust, but I’m pretty sure it went along the lines of:
“ehhhhhhhhh you have to tip your cap to Berkman, he’s a dangerous hitter”
“ehhhhhhhhh you have to tip your cap to Tejada, he’s one of the best hitting shortstops all time”
“ehhhhhhhhh we didn’t score when we had the chance, Rodriguez was pitching well tonight”
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
what a load of crap. Every opposing pitcher “pitches well” against the Braves. It cause the offense isn’t that good and Bobby doesn’t shake it up and he over uses the bullpen.
“Hanson was right at 100 [pitches],” Cox said. "He wanted to go back out and could have come back out. But you have to be careful.
“Soriano struck out the first guy, then got a little ground ball that got through,” Braves manager Bobby Cox said. "He made one bad pitch, to Berkman.
“He made a great pitch to Tejada. It was a high hopper. The only place it could possibly go through was right there. That was a perfect double-play ball if it is anywhere near anybody. It went right over the mound.”
“You always want to start your closer with a clean inning. You don’t want him to come in with men on. And we’ve got confidence in him. We don’t normally have trouble with the ninth.”
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
don’t forget the ridiculous “lights out” comments
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."
by Bravely going forward on Sep 10, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
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