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Well-put.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Sep 29, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Most people in the south think baseball is “boring.” It’s as simple as that. I’m not one of those people, just the messenger.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Sep 29, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A big difference is that NY has how many MILLIONS of people to fill a stadium with???
Market size is a big factor.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Sep 29, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A few things that have always, and will always affect attendance for the bravos:
1. Braves fans are very spread out, not only do most of them not live in Atlanta (most are in metro atl particularly the northside) but also throughout the SE in Alabama, S Carolina, North Florida, Tennessee, N Carolina, and even all the way out to Mississippi and Virginia where baseball fans don’t have a team of their own. It’s hard to get someone to travel a few hours and stay for a weekend to see a Monday night game.
2. The stadium is impossible to get to. No Marta stop, have to travel through downtown to get there and the traffic is absolutely awful. Not to mention the area around the stadium which is pathetic
3. College football is king in the south. Although the braves have once before sold out playoff games on the same night that UGA is selling out a football game, most fans in the south are not going to miss their game on saturday to see a braves-nats game.
The Braves have a very large, incredible fan base. It is just difficult to get people from that far away to come from a weekday game. How can this be fixed? I have always thought what about developing the parking areas that have road frontage on the main drag to turner field. Build a hotel, bars, restaurants and make a transit stop near Turner Field and it becomes a weekend-long attraction. Think about this, those who come for the weekend who may stay at the holiday inn near the ted have no access to any other Atlanta attractions because of the lack of transit, the aquarium, world of coke, and the soon to be built college fb hall of fame are all on the other side of town.
by camiller on Sep 29, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I support further development of the area surrounding the Ted.
Package in a hotel stay across from the park, fix the nightmare parking/traffic situation.
The braves alone are enough to get me to the park, but I have a family now. The wife and kids need more incentive AND comfort.
by rhinoskin on Sep 29, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of the areas around the stadium have improved...
since Fulton County days. But it’s been a very slow development and seems to have stalled over the last few years.
by Mr. Sanchez on Sep 29, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with everything you just said
Compared to places like Colorado and San Francisco to name a few, Turner Field is basically sitting in a chasm of suck, far as the surrounding area goes.
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Sep 29, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talk with Braves marketing. They need people like you. They don’t have a clue.
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"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Sep 29, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I live in Mississippi and im a big Braves fan so yeah im sure there are lots of fans spread way out. Its not helpin none with how the economy is either. Sure i realize they weren’t goin to the games sellin out before but still the economy still has somethin to do with it right now im sure. I dont know if tickets are average price, bad expensive(i doubt that) i have no idea. But either way i cant go even if i wanted to with college, work and no money to do any travelin even if I wanted to.
braves#1
by rockybull on Sep 29, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all of your points
plus, I really think the stadium is just way to big for the market. For the Braves to get a sellout of 50,000 people is just asking too much, in my opinion. The crowd size would look so much more impressive on TV if the ball park had a more intimate setting.
When you have a large number of people sitting in the upper deck rows and sections a part when there are plenty of seats to be had down in the lower levels, of course its gonna look bad. However, if the Ted cut out about 10,000 seats, mostly from the upper deck, a crowd of 20,000 to 30,000 is going to look a lot better on TV and create a more energetic environment.
by penno on Sep 29, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that we have the largest fan base in the country
by southman on Sep 29, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3rd largest
http://atlanta.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2009/07/13/daily47.html
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by VivaLosBravos on Sep 29, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with some of your points, but a lot of this is wrong.
I definitely agree with the spread out fans and the lack of market like new york has, however, the stuff you’re saying about transit is dead wrong. I go to school in North Carolina, about 2.5 hours from Atlanta, and I drive down every couple weekends in order to see the couple games that I can. I stay at that Holiday Inn you’re referring to every time, and they have a shuttle that takes you anywhere you want to go every half hour. I have taken it to the World of Coke and the Aquarium (which are right next to each other).
Another thing is the stadium is not impossible to get to, there’s busses all over town that take you to it, I’ve taken it from many different locations.
You are definitely right about the college football thing though.
by BravesRaleigh on Sep 29, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second that, camiller.
There are even more things that contribute to the low attendance as well.
One is that Atlanta is such a diverse city with people that moved there from all over the U.S. A lot of people get transferred for their job to Atlanta, and when they get there they don’t automatically become Braves fans; they root for their old team. I couldn’t even begin to explain how many people come from Chicago and are Cubs fans.
One more thing is that most college students can’t make the game during the week because of the distance. Unless you go to Georgia Tech or Georgia State, you are at least an hour away (exception being Kennesaw State which is about 40 minutes). I know I can’t make weekday games because I’m over 2 hours away and I have a class every day until 7, so…
And yes, the park is a pain to get to, the traffic is rough, and the surrounding areas can be somewhat dangerous. That leads to a lot of families not going – and families are what can really fill the seats because they usually have 4 or so people and they bring other families with them.
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by alligatorimpersonator on Sep 29, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One factor (although not a big one) this time of year for fans who have to travel is sometimes they change the game time if the “big networks” decide to over it. If you have to travel, this can be a MAJOR inconvenience.
For instance, the upcoming game with the Nationals on Saturday, big Fox has decided to now carry this game and the time has changed. If you’re a fan who has bought airline tickets to see this game, you may miss the game entirely if your travel plans don’t coincide.
We’ve had this happen to us before, but thankfully the game started later than our original plans and not earlier. It was a Sunday game and they changed it from 7pm to a 4pm start. We got there very early in the day and the people at the hotel informed us of it when we checked in. When we got back that evening for the game, there were about 10 people who had all come as a family group to see the game in our hotel’s lobby who had arrived to see the 7pm game and were very disappointed that they missed it entirely. If we had flown in in the nick of time like they did – we would have been pretty upset too.
I know this is a tiny example, but we would be leery of spending big bucks to fly in and try and see a game unless we could arrange extra time “just in case”.
by NCChopper on Sep 29, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Plus – with all the flooding in the immediate area, I’m sure on a scale of priorities, an expensive night out with the family at the Ted may not be high on the list.
by NCChopper on Sep 29, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that definitely has a lot to do with it. There has been a lot of damage to houses around the area and some people don’t have the time or money now to go to the game.
Also i think it has a lot to do with the make up of atlanta. It is very inconvenient area ( i live 20 min. away). In most other cities the stadium is in an area where people can walk over to the game from work. Turner isn’t within walking distance of anything. There has also been road work around atlanta for a while now that may keep people from wanting to fight the terrible traffic. The field is on the southside of atlanta and i think a number of the people that go to the games are from the North/Northwest counties.
I think since the flood took up most peoples attention last week a lot of people didn’t really notice what the braves were doing until Sunday or maybe even last night. For me personally, i watch and follow them obsessively and as a student I can’t afford to go to games every night, plus with tests/papers it is more convenient for me to just watch it on TV. Although, i will be present at 3 of the next 6 games.
by BravesFanScout on Sep 29, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, turner field is not exactly the most attracting ball park, what i mean is its just your typical everyday ball park, there is nothing that really draws fans attention. what do we got, a freakin’ coke bottle, thats not gonna draw your everyday, average, luke-warm baseball fan. it could definatley be more fan friendly…
Examples of parks that are more fan friendly:
San Francisco-The Cove and pretty cool design
Yankees-Pretty cool retro look based on Old yankee stadium
Boston-The monster
Houston-the train, the hill, short porch in left
San Diego-nice hometown vibe with the building in left and pretty dimensions
idk, i mean turner field is nice, i just think the marketing dept. can do a little better to make it more attractive and fan friendly, in my experiences it just seems like an everday ballpark compared to other places
by Hcgadawgs on Sep 29, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ha, i meant pretty cool dimensions*
by Hcgadawgs on Sep 29, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought TF was excellent. You have the little mall area, the kids-park thing and some other attractions. It was one of the better stadiums that I have been to in terms of attractions.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Sep 29, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WRONG
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
by sddbaker on Sep 29, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah……i’m gonna have to…..sort of……disagree with you…..there……..mmmm’k?
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by 10-4 on Sep 29, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing about The Ted you have to remember...
is that it was converted from Olympic Stadium in 1996. Yes, it’s impossible to tell that it was ever meant to be anything else besides a baseball park to the untrained fan. But the people who schemed it, built it, and other architect-types could probably tell otherwise. Since it’s, essentiall, a reformed multi-purpose stadium, there probably weren’t too many options available as far as extra attractions. This is all conjecture, but all of that plus the fact that they were on a deadline to finish probably detracted from all the apparent “missing” features.
All that said, I went to Turner Field for the first time this summer and I thought it was beautiful.
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by Jareth Cutestory on Sep 29, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
i think alot you aren’t on the same page as me. i personally think its a beautiful baseball park and appreciate it, that being said i’ve been around baseball and loved the braves my whole life so a nice ballpark is easier to appreciate. no doubt its a great baseball atmosphere. but to someone not in this position and not a big baseball fan like most of us here obviously, look for other reasons to spend money and go to the ballpark…and at first glance turner field doesn’t have the “hey-look-at-me” look like many others…i mean to someone who doesn’t know baseball all that well, and has never been to turner field, what does it have to draw attention to itself and get new fans to come…and jareth made a good point about the whole olympic deal and havin a deadline, not to mention its not located in the best area to give the designers alot to work with
so before yall jump all over me, i’m comin from a different perspective here…
im sure most ppl here are big enough braves fans they would go see em play in a cow pasture if they had to, so im just comin from the typical fans view
by Hcgadawgs on Sep 29, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The TED is a wonderful place to see a ballgame. The things to walk around and look at, the museum, the great food and different angles you can stop and see the field no matter where you are – awesome. I remember the very first time I went there, I got goosebumps as I looked out over the center field wall towards home plate.
Plus, they don’t have a stupid “hill with flagpole” in the field of play.
by NCChopper on Sep 29, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i still get goosebumps. i’m not disagreein with ya..
by Hcgadawgs on Sep 29, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think they could’ve put a little more into the design i guess, like give its own spin like many others have..
by Hcgadawgs on Sep 29, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
by sddbaker on Sep 29, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
by sddbaker on Sep 29, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
by sddbaker on Sep 29, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
by sddbaker on Sep 29, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
by sddbaker on Sep 29, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
by sddbaker on Sep 29, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well done.
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
by 10-4 on Sep 29, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dig the cat
after last nights loss I needed something to brighten my day. Job well done.
by adc62 on Sep 30, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read this:
It marvelously states what I think.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
by sddbaker on Sep 29, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, there’s a little bit of irony here, I just can’t find it…no, wait…I think I got it…
Last night I am watching the game
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Sep 29, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!!
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Sep 29, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
simple
bark at the park for the rest of the week
by Slinkyjoe on Sep 29, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
to be fair 25 000 for a monday game against the Marlins isnt that bad of a turnout
in the first half we cracked 20 000 on a monday twice (once was against the Cubs) and most of the time we werent even close).
attendance has gone up considerably in the second half. And this is evidence of that. Sure other teams got more than we did, but its not like we are only drawing 10 000 like the Rays did Mon.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Sep 29, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What we need is David Justice to call out all the Braves fans for not being supportive. Look what happened last time
I thought hurricane season was over........
by bravesguy311 on Sep 29, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chipper did this as delicately as possible.
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Chief! Do your anti-rain dance!!! Now, damn it! Now!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Sep 29, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't like it then...
…and I wouldn’t like it now. And I heard them both, and what Chipper said was worlds away from what Justice said.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
by sddbaker on Sep 29, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved it when Justice did it. The place was packed after he said it and he backed it up with the game winning homer.
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by cbwilk on Sep 29, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ill be there tonight.
So it aint my fault.
WIN THE WILDCARD DAMMIT
by esadb on Sep 29, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+100
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"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
Chief! Do your anti-rain dance!!! Now, damn it! Now!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Sep 29, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The remodeled Kauffman Stadium in Kansas City seats about 38,000 and is an absolutely great place to take in a game. If the Royals could ever put a winning team on the field that thing would be full every night. People in Kansas City definitely support a winner. To me the difference between the two stadiums is that The Ted is just too large and spread out. The more compact you can make seating areas the better. Not smaller seats……just in a smaller overall area. The Kansas City fountain in the outfield is a huge attraction too.
by KC Ryan on Sep 29, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's an idea...
the Braves never should have spent all that money on the biggest TV in the world in center field. They could have used that money for other attractions in the park, or maybe lower ticket or parking prices
You say to-mah-to, I say you're retarded.
by alligatorimpersonator on Sep 29, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We already have a gigantic cow
what more attractions could you ask for
WIN THE WILDCARD DAMMIT
by esadb on Sep 29, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. I don’t go to the ballgame to watch the pretty graphics on the scoreboard. I don’t go to the game to sit in a bar and pick up girls, for that matter (it might upset my wife). Go to some of the older parks, there’s none of the “attractions” that there are at Turner Field. (Shift into cranky old man mode) In my day, we had to walk to the ballgame! Uphill! Both ways! Barefoot! (End cranky old man mode)
by John Holton on Sep 29, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have some of the lowest ticket prices in all of baseball
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Sep 30, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something that hasn't been commented on...
I have to wonder if the whole “playoff fatigue” thing is still a factor in Atlanta. I mean, after that amazing run of division titles in the 90’s, the town might not be willing to show up for anything other than the league championship.
I can definitely remember seeing a whole bunch of empty seats in the Ted during those NLDS games that the Braves played in. That’s playoff fatigue, right there. The city was inoculated to success, by success. I think that it still is, and that the Braves will have to reach at least the NLCS to sell out the stadium.
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by Chopaholic on Sep 29, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh huh
The attitude might be, “Who cares if we get into the playoffs? The Dodgers are just going to crush us like a grape.”
by John Holton on Sep 29, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WORD
I live in NYC too. I always find myself thinking, wtf, where is every1. If I lived in ATL, I would go to sooo many games. From what I’ve heard, the tickets are soooo cheap. Yeah, I agree with u.
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by nick9314 on Sep 29, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, yeah, yeah….sure
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
by sddbaker on Sep 30, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I live in manhattan on the upper east side.
MATT DIAZ IS THE F**K*NG MAN.
They made me change my signature...
by nick9314 on Oct 3, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here we go again
With the “godd braves fans suxx” commentary. So I’m skimming through posts, and not necessarily reading fully, but I just got back from game #47 on the season for me, and thought I’d field some of the questions by the OP.
Is it hard to get to Turner Field? If you don’t go often, then yes. Atlanta is perennially rated in the top-5 or top-10 worst traffic in the nation, and Turner Field just happens to be on the Southeast quadrant of what causes most of the traffic, where I-85/I-75 intersects with I-20. The back roads surrounding the ballpark are often mismanaged, and as game time approaches, closed or converted to single direction traffic. It took me two years, but I’ve gotten a somewhat of a system developed, but that mostly has to do with the fact that I’m unafraid to walk through a sketchy area at night, and my car is on its last legs, so I have no qualms with parking it in said sketchy areas. But to answer your question, yes. Others have also chimed in with the lack of public transportation there, as well as the sketchy area.
Are the tickets expensive? It depends on your idea of expensive. If you go on the day of a game, every ticket has a completely unjustifiable $2 surcharge added that wasn’t around before this year. If it’s a weekend, then tickets jump almost 2×. If it’s the Red Sox, Yankees, Cubs, or other high popularity away teams, then tickets might jump to 3×. But there’s almost always a price that anyone can afford – general admission day of game is $8, and if you know where to go, and can spare some time, you can be one of 187 lucky fans to get a $1 ticket. The more desirable tickets can run a person a good $36-72, or you can settle in the outfield for around $22 on average.
Gimmicks? Well, we’re not the Miami Heat or the Golden State Warriors, so rule out the towels. Free foam tomahawks wasn’t done this year, and if there was a rally towel, it was the Powerade ones. Instead, fans were encouraged to use their own materials and print out their own flair and bring it to the parks themselves. Face the facts, most people are stingy, and don’t want to do that kind of stuff. But those who have been doing it, there has been some good creativity and resourcefulness.
Fact – Turner Field’s maximum capacity fluctuates depending on whom you ask from 55,000-57,000. Every Red Sox/Yankees game was called a sell-out, despite only topping out at 48,000, and the Greg Maddux Night topped out at a sell-out 51,000+. But the highest attendance of the year was "NASCAR day/free concert by All American Rejects at 53,000+ The point of bringing this up is the fact that Turner Field is up there as one of the larger MLB parks, and it’s simply hard to fill up. The average 29,000+ attendance in peak summer months would more than sufficient at making a Fenway Park look pretty well occupied.
Fact – Colorado is known for a cold climate. Atlanta is known for a mild climate. But the seasons do change, and this time of year, temperatures dip into the 60s. For Atlantans, this is cold. When it is cold, fans do not want to be outside. I do not mean to generalize, but I’m willing to bet that people in Colorado deal with their 56-62 degree weather a lot better than people in Atlanta do.
All of the above doesn’t excuse people for no-showing during a critical stretch by any imagination, but I am giving answers to questions inquired about. I wish my 600 lb girth could count for more than one person, because I attend a boatload of games every season, and make vast efforts to follow them on the road. Does this make me a bigger fan than anyone else? Not really. Just because you can’t get to the games doesn’t make you any less of a Braves fan you want to be.
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