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more 2010 rosterbation...sorry, no pujols.


as you guys are all aware, bobby cox is probably the greatest "people manger" in the game.  bobby's in-game decisions are more than questionable and downright foolish at times, but no one can doubt the impact on players that this man has (giving moylan, prado, and diaz a chance to succeed where most managers would have not, and giving vazquez "manager's approval" to become the ace he has been for us this year). also, bobby cox has been a great manager in taming some "high-profile" names over the years and those players have put up career years under bobby (jd drew, gary sheffield). 

so, what should be bobby's final test:  milton bradley

i have been very outspoken about selling high and trading javier vazquez, however there might be a tiny bit of hope that the braves can keep hudson AND vazquez.  here it is"

trade derek lowe and kj for milton bradley and some relief help.

milton bradley walked in to a terrible situation for himself.  being as loud and boisterous as he is, he walked into a clubhouse who already had too many headcases: piniella, zambrano, lilly, etc.. in atlanta, a much smaller profile city and team, he could find success again.

here's what it does for our team:

1. allows flexibility to keep vazquez and hudson

2.  solves the "right-handed power bat"  issue

3.  gives payroll flexibility to re-sign laroche, gonzo or soriano.

4.  will cost only 20 mil over the next 2 years (if the braves can get bradley's contract adjusted to 10 mil/per) instead of 45 mil over 3.

 

here's the current setup: 

if the braves were to pick up hudson's option, and trade for milton bradley, that would put the payroll right at 80 million dollars for the following 20 players:

hudson, vazquez, jurrjens, hanson, kawakami, medlen, o'flaherty, moylan, mccann, ross, chipper, escobar, infante, prado, conrad, diaz, church, bradley, mclouth, heyward. 

without increasing payroll, the braves have about 16-17 million dollar to play with in the final 5 spots. 

my suggestion: sign laroche for 2/16, re-sign gonzo or soriano for 7 mil/per and fill-in last 3 spots with cheap trade pick-ups or in-house options.

ps: those of you that said prado is a utility player and cant withstand a full-time job probably didnt expect him to have a red hot end of sepetember.

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Umm. Milton Bradley.

Steal ideas much? lol. I sed they should trade Kenshin for him a month ago.

MATT DIAZ IS THE F**K*NG MAN.
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by nick9314 on Sep 26, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wasnt implying...

that i came up with the idea of getting milton bradley. my post is more along the lines of freeing up future cash by trading a bad contract for a bad contract.

by ryan c on Sep 26, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Why take on a player with a significant injury history and an inflated contract who has basically run himself out of every organization he’s played for (with the exception of maybe one) under the assumption that Cox “might” be able to tame him? Even if the Cubs eat some salary we’d still have to pay him close to 10 mil to play maybe 70% of the games and if we’re lucky he might OPS .800 (if he has a bounce back year). Aren’t we paying Garrett Anderson just a couple mil to do that this year? That’s not even considering who we would have to give up to get the Cubbies to eat 5 mil a year.

No thanks!

You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis

by scstrato on Sep 26, 2009 12:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

did you read the post?

the purpose of the trade is so the braves could keep the stellar rotation of vazquez, hudson, hanson, jurrjens, and kawakami. without cutting some money somewhere, the braves cannot afford to keep both hudson and vazquez. trading lowe, in any other scenario, is almost impossible due to his poor season and…oh, that 45 million dollars he’s owed over the next 3 years.
to get lowe off the books, it might require taking on someone else’s poor contract: bradley.

by ryan c on Sep 26, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, did you read mine?

I’m sure the Braves can find a way to keep Huddy and Vaz without having to make an idiotic trade for a player who shouldn’t even have a job. Sorry you can’t see the logic.

You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis

by scstrato on Sep 26, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or we could just replace the constant injury worries at the back end of the bullpen with younger arms via trade and keep the war horses. Soriano and Gonzo are going to require big time money and their medical rap sheets are downright scary. Offer arb and take your first round draft picks.

"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."

by jeg on Sep 27, 2009 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

I’m all for Moylan closing for us next year. He is FILTHY.

MATT DIAZ IS THE F**K*NG MAN.
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by nick9314 on Sep 26, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Meh, I like Moylan as a dominate setup/situational reliever.

by kalesi on Sep 26, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he and gonzalez would make for a great closing tandem a la soriano/gonzo earlier this year. Moylan dominates righties and gonzalez dominates lefties

by McCann's the Man on Sep 26, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seconded

I like him right where he is.

"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."

by jeg on Sep 27, 2009 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

God damn it

We ARE NOT going to trade Derek lowe

Don't fire Bobby.

by esadb on Sep 26, 2009 12:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

trading lowe...

is not impossible in this scenario. i’m guessing that the cubs cant give away bradley at this time. if we offered lowe to them for bradley, they would have to consider it.

also, if you dont like the post, noone is twisting your arm to reply. get over yourself.

by ryan c on Sep 26, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get over myself?

What

Don't fire Bobby.

by esadb on Sep 26, 2009 4:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Seems like one of the main purposes of this blog is facilitating discussion

If we only responded to posts we liked about why we liked them, this would be the lamest place on the internet.

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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Sep 28, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you ESADB !

Sick and tired of all you people that call yourself fans; first you are all whining b/c you wanted Lowe last offseason and now you want to dump him. Lowe is the ace of this staff so get used to it. Come to terms with it or whatever you want to call it. Huddy and Vazquez will both be back but if you remember Huddy said he was willing to have his opition declined only to resign a deal for less money to stay with the Braves. So I’d look for that to happen the offseason but if nothing else look Huddy to return regardless.

Stop Whinning about D. Lowe !!!

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Sep 26, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lowe is not the Ace of this staff at all!!

Baseball is my life

by That a boy on Sep 26, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO! ONE! IS! WHINING ! ABOUT! LOWE! IT JUST! MAKES! THE! MOST! SENSE! TO! TRADE! LOWE! BECAUSE! IT! FREES! UP! THE! MOST! CAP! SPACE! (IF! WE! CAN! TRADE! HIM!)

you this is true because of the CAPS and !!!!!

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Sep 26, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you forgot to space between the last word and the punctuation !!! (<—- like this

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Sep 26, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah, touche’!

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Sep 29, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhh...no thanks.

Where are Diaz and Schafer going to play if we sign Bradley?

Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
"Wait, bait and bash." - Jason Heyward's personal philosophy.

by mvhsbball on Sep 26, 2009 12:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

schafer...

if i recall hasnt played in quite a while…why do you assume he’ll be on the team. bradley, if used right, will not take time from diaz.

by ryan c on Sep 26, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because Jordan Schafer was a beast until he messed his wrist up.

Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
"Wait, bait and bash." - Jason Heyward's personal philosophy.

by mvhsbball on Sep 26, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude you sound like my 11 year old boy

by BravesRule on Sep 26, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he is in love wit schafer and always says beast and beastly

by BravesRule on Sep 26, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

your son is a lucky guy.

Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
"Wait, bait and bash." - Jason Heyward's personal philosophy.

by mvhsbball on Sep 26, 2009 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

...for two days?

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Sep 26, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

damn beat me to it

Cockchafer

by bpk228480 on Sep 26, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least in this idea we are keeping Javier Vazquez.

As long as we keep Vazquez I’ll be on bored for almost anything this team does in the offseason

by eaheckman10 on Sep 26, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You can probably get MB

by picking up 2-3 million in salary for next year and some sort of arrangement for the year after. I believe he has some sort of option based on appearances, so if he is an idjit, he could probably be sent packing.

No need to send anyone over.

by Salty on Sep 26, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the purpose is...

we WANT to send someone over. it’s not possible to keep lowe, hudson, and vazquez. lowe has the worst contract and this is the only scenario i can see that might work.

by ryan c on Sep 26, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who ever said we WANT Milton Bradley?

Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
"Wait, bait and bash." - Jason Heyward's personal philosophy.

by mvhsbball on Sep 26, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do not want him and feel confident that neither does the Braves’ brass.
My guess is the chance of this occurring is 0%.

by fandave on Sep 26, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

me neither

in case someone didnt notice, the Braves tend to pride themselves on class act players.

Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
"Wait, bait and bash." - Jason Heyward's personal philosophy.

by mvhsbball on Sep 26, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...like Gary Sheffield.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Sep 26, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hudson has made comments that stated he would discuss an extension with a “home-town discount”. I bet we could offer him 2 years and 18 million and forgo the 12M option.

"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."

by jeg on Sep 27, 2009 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He also made the comment that next year at $12 mil needed to be included.

And he’s not getting paid $6 mil for ’11.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Sep 28, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Missed that one. Still, everything is subject to change at this point.

"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."

by jeg on Sep 28, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we cant keep...

lowe, hudson, vazquez, gonzo, soriano, and laroche. we have a surplus in starting pitching. this might be the only scenario in which a trade of the worst performing (and highest paid) in that group, could happen. my point is to try and keep the core of the team in tact while addressing right handed power.

by ryan c on Sep 26, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

actually we can though I wouldn’t mind losing Soriano, ~7-8M is too much for a reliever not named Nathan, Rivera, or Paplebon. If Heyward can step up and take RF and we’re comfortable with Diaz in LF then we can keep all 6 starters and Gonzo in addition to getting another bullpen option ie Brandon League, etc through trade. I think a lot will depend on the team’s perception of Diaz and Schafer.

by McCann's the Man on Sep 26, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my1:14 post below...

was supposed to be a reply to your post. some reason it showed up down there.

by ryan c on Sep 26, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You didn't click reply?

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Sep 26, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

which is why we should let gonzo and soriano go (after offering them arbitration, which they will decline and we get the type a or b draft picks) and make Lowe our closer.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Sep 26, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course you “can” keep all 6, but it doesn’t make any sense to be paying $8 million+ to a long reliever when you’re on a budget.

I actually thought about this trade myself a few days ago. I don’t think the Cubs would have any interest in Lowe, though, as they have a good, deep rotation themselves.

by Ron A. on Sep 26, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

how?

picking up hudson’s option, signing laroche for 8 mil/year, and keeping both soriano and gonzo for around a combined 14 mil would put the teams budget at about 107 million and thats without factroring in kelly johnson (who i think will not be a brave next year). even if you only sign one of gonzo or soriano, that still puts the budget at, or above, 100 million.

it’s not possible unless there’s an increase in payroll, which with attendance being terrible at the ted this year, is not likely.

btw, werent you the main one arguing about prado not able to produce for a full year? what do you think now? is there still not enough proof?

by ryan c on Sep 26, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

First I said no Soriano, and Hudson would look like 3 years 27 million. That does not put you at 100 million I can guarantee that. And Prado’s strong finish certainly reinforces that he should be starting but I never argued that Prado couldn’t produce, i said dan uggla would be a significant upgrade. And that still very much holds true

by McCann's the Man on Sep 26, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you noticed...

that his “strong finish” is nowhere close to what KJ did at the end of last year? I thought the streakiness was the problem?

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Sep 26, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As soon as I saw Milton Bradley I couldn’t even bring myself to finish this. What goes through people’s minds? Ridiculous.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Sep 26, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ha ha, also the cubs have 3 bad contracts in Soriano, Z, and Bradley. Its no way they would take on Lowe’s contract because it wouldn’t help their team at all. Trust to all Braves fans out there, there is no need to worry about the Braves trading Vaz. He will be a Brave next year he is just to valuable. Soriano and Gonzo, Fuga, Kelly will all be gone. The Braves will try and sign a cheap Veteran stop gap in the outfield not trade for an injury prone head case.

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by That a boy on Sep 26, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'll take...

bradley if it means we get to keep hudson and vazquez and get rid of lowe’s contract. are you guys seriously saying this is a bad move for the braves? braves get rid of lowe’s ridiculous contract that we have for 3 more years and get a power bat. if bobby is the “people manager” that everyone (including me) says he is, then milton will do well here. the term “clubhouse cancer” is overrated as is “veteran leadership”. clubhouse cancers do not lose championships and veteran leader do not win them. if bobby leaves and the next manager cant handle him, it’s 10 million dollars, instead of 30.

by ryan c on Sep 26, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

did you seriously just call milton bradley a power bat? The same Bradley with 12 HR’s this year, .397 SLG%, and a .140 ISO? That might be a power bat in the little leagues but in the majors that’s pretty mediocre. He would be our 4th, possibly even 5th, best outfielder. A sixth starter is far more valuable than a 4th OF. And you can’t platoon him with Diaz because they both don’t hit righties well

by McCann's the Man on Sep 26, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes. This is a bad move for the Braves.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Sep 26, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well...

how bout pujols for lowe? better?

by ryan c on Sep 26, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right. So I’m the jerk cause you came up with a stupid idea and I called you on it? Sure. It seems like you just had nothing better to do with your Saturday so you decided to come up with the most ridiculous post possible and spend the day attacking and defending it. Come on fella, college football isn’t baseball, but it’s still a better way to spend a day than this.

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by cbwilk on Sep 26, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i called you a jerk?

when? ya know, this is a fan post and not on the regular board. you dont have to reply, especially to tell someone how ridiculous they are and then, in lesser words, call them a loser. i’m ok with the disagreement. it’s a pretty bizarre statement, but to get personal is just wrong.

btw, the pujols thing is a running joke on here, right? it wasnt meant to be insulting.

by ryan c on Sep 27, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude you are CRAZY !!!

Milton Bradley is a cancer and the T.O of MLB except his play on the field is no where good enough to even have him considered to be that !! No way we get him b/c remember Bobby Cox is around for one more season and cannot stand Escobar some of the time so do you have any idea how he would react to BRADLEY ??? HE WILL NOT BE SIGNED BY ATL !!! PERIOD !!!

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Sep 26, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Someone made an interesting point in an interview. ALL of Bradley’s problems are ON the field. People think he’s a head case…I agree. However, this is not Michael Vick, this is not some disgruntled player in trouble with the law. Sure he’s a little out there, but playing for Pinellia might be fuel meet fire.

I’m not saying he’d be a good sign. The fact is, when going well, he’s a valuable bat. I’d assume that Chicago would be anxious to get rid of him. However, I also think that he plays the game passionately and, while some of the stuff he does is ridiculous, he generally keeps his nose clean away from the game, I think.

by kalesi on Sep 26, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

except he’s seemed to rub a lot of teammates the wrong way and look at how this team performed pre-LaRoche (poor chemistry) and post Adam (good chemistry). Milton isn’t a thug or criminal but he’s just not a good teammate

by McCann's the Man on Sep 26, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Just cause this guy isn’t out there clubbing baby seals doesn’t mean he’s not a bad person. I’m not saying he is, I’m just saying there are A LOT of demons inside Bradley’s mind for whatever reason, and those demons can stay as far away from the Atlanta clubhouse as possible, far as I’m concerned. If he was hitting .360 every year, that would be one thing, but he’s not. If Ron Washington wants him back in Texas, he can have him.

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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Sep 28, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your Rosterbation is way off !!

A) Church will not be back b/c he was picked up just to get out or away from Frenchy.

B) KK will be gone in the offseason for something, we simply just don’t need him and the market is very high for any type of pitcher that is under contract on the trade market

C) I would love to keep Gonzo but no Soriano, b/c soriano is going to demand a king’s
ransom in the offseason and look for Gonzo to be close behind so more than likely we will lose both

D) KJ an G. Anderson will be gone in the offeseason as well freeing up even more money.

E) Cheap outfielder in the offseason is a need so look for X. Nady to be signed by this club. Remember we have wanted him sense his Pirate days and he is coming off injury so he is the typical guy the Braves love as you all know.

F) Closer is going to be the trickest issue ?? Without Gonzo or Soriano we must find someone and of course cheap !! What about Matt Capps ????

KK for Matt Capps str8 up in a trade any takers ??? Or wait is Capps a free agent ??

Either way I think he could help this team and he is from GA !!

G) Arb eliglible players salaries go up; Diaz/Moylan/Prado are all due for big raises !!

Go Braves !

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Sep 26, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

church...

is under team control still, so the braves will probably keep him. KK will not be traded due to him being the first japanese player that we have ever signed. i actually like the idea of picking up xavier nady, but so will 29 other ball clubs. prado isnt arb eligible. diaz and moylan will probably only receive 1/2 mil or less of a pay raise.

by ryan c on Sep 26, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

with nady...

we might have some pull due to some ex-pirates already on our roster.

by ryan c on Sep 26, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?...

I take it you haven’t seen how Capps has pitched this year? I know he’s a local boy, and might not be a bad pickup if he comes cheap, but he has been horrible all season long this year.

by Mr. Sanchez on Sep 28, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The KK for Capps is an interesting idea. That doesn’t seem to be the way the Pirates are moving but you never know with that organization.

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by jeg on Sep 27, 2009 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cuddyer

I am not sure if anybody mention him already (I am kind of new to talkingchop). Does anybody else think that Frank Wren should seriously consider trying to obtain Michael Cuddyer from the Minnesota Twins this offseason? He is a right handed power hitter that hits for a good average. He can play the corner outfield spots, has a good arm and he can play first base. He is also a free agent after the 2010 season. What do you guys think about trying to get cuddyer and what it would probably take for us to get him?

by deewill23 on Sep 26, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cuddyer is pretty average and getting paid like 7-8 million, so no thanks. He’s got some good offensive numbers but he’s a bad defender and negates most of his offensive value

by McCann's the Man on Sep 26, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure what his OF/DH splits are

as far as playing time, but I don’t see Cuddyer coming to the NL.

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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Sep 28, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do most feel comfortable with our infield rotation. Chipper is getting up in years and I wouldn’t mind a decent corner infielder that can play backup every now and then with some pop whose name is not Greg Norton.

by kalesi on Sep 26, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If we’re throwing out names for possible OF solutions, I’ll add three: Cody Ross, Mike Cameron , and Rick Ankiel.
Ankiel would be a potential 1-2 year bounce back type deal. He plays good defense in both LF and RF (SSS) and has the ability to play a not completely mediocre CF. He also OPS’ed roughly .850 in 07 and 08 so if we believe that’s his true talent level then he’s a valuable commodity and we could justify keeping Heyward down in AAA until Super Two status passes.
Mike Cameron would also be a short term deal in which we would get HR’s and excellent defense. He could either be one of the best defensive corner OF’s in the majors or an upgrade over McLouth in CF moving Nate to one of the corners.
Cody Ross is the non FA of the group. We showed interest before we got McLouth and he can play all 3 OF spots and brings power as well. Three years of arbitration left

by McCann's the Man on Sep 26, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the marlins keep Ross since they are getting rid of Uggla.

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by That a boy on Sep 26, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

most likely but it’s worth kicking the tires on

by McCann's the Man on Sep 26, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What are they doing with Uggla?

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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Sep 28, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One would presume they'd trade him to save money.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Sep 29, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to have Ankiel

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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Sep 28, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps my memory is just damn bad.

But I thought those with Da Power had made it crystal clear that exactly this type of speculative roster roulette would be disappeared and could result sudden, without notice banishment in the case of repeat offenses.

Or was that some other talkingchop blog?

by fandave on Sep 26, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey look!

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/09/rosenthals-full-count-video-pujols-upton-bradley.html

The Braves haven’t even called on Bradley. So why the hell are we discussing this? Maybe i’ll make a post tomorrow about saying the Braves should acquire “player x” by sending “player y” for “reason z”.

Milton Bradley isn’t coming to Atlanta…and, to be honest, I don’t think there’s many people who would even want him to come.

/end thread.

P.S. There’s still games going on in 2009, if you didn’t notice. Why talk about the future when we could be 2 1/2 games out after tonight?

Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
"Wait, bait and bash." - Jason Heyward's personal philosophy.

by mvhsbball on Sep 26, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

PS...

Why would you celebrate Prado’s streakiness, when that’s the thing people hate about KJ?

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Sep 26, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

where?

did kj come into the argument? the post was strictly about prado’s production. you said he couldnt produce throughout a full year, and you were/are wrong. i never said kj couldnt…you said prado couldnt…

by ryan c on Sep 26, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can't.

Look at his awful May and his mediocre August.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Sep 28, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“ps: those of you that said prado is a utility player and cant withstand a full-time job probably didnt expect him to have a red hot end of sepetember.”

And you probably didn’t expect him to have a less than spectacular mid-July through August!

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Sep 26, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

so...

what’s your point? prado ends the year with a 300 batting average and 14homeruns, and you think he doesnt deserve the starting job, or are you just jumping in on an argument that you know nothing about? i understand that saying we should sign milton bradley is a pretty outlandish idea, but jumping in an argument because its the bandwagon thing to do is lame. do you even know the original argument? if you do then back it up with more than one liners.

by ryan c on Sep 26, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I know nothing about the KJ vs Prado argument….

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Sep 26, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was the point...

the argument with michael was never comparing kj to prado, and that’s why you knew nothing about the original argument (as to which michael p. and mccann’s the man said that prado couldnt sustain his production throughout a full year and was better served as a utility player). kelly johnson had nothing to do with it.

by ryan c on Sep 27, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we merely contended that he wouldn’t keep up his torrent pace that he had through the summer months and his slash stats do look better as a utility player. I think he’ll be fine but I think some people around have the unrealistic idea that he will play like that for a full year, he’s very much like KJ just with better OBP ability and less power (both streaky offensive players)

by McCann's the Man on Sep 27, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ummmm...

that was not the argument. shall i bring up the posts from the previous thread and show you what you said?

by ryan c on Sep 27, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still believe he’d be more valuable as a super skilled utlity guy with us acquiring a masher at 2B like Dan Uggla and I’m not going to change my opinion on that. However with the finances it makes sense to let Prado play a full season at second and improve other facets of the team

by McCann's the Man on Sep 27, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well...

i understand that you arent going to change your position, however martin prado is. he is now ahead of uggla in ops and is only trailing utley in that category. it’s ok to admit you’re wrong. i had to do it last week when i said laroche was an above average defensive first baseman.

by ryan c on Sep 27, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

except Uggla has a BABIP around 30 points lower than his career avg even though he’s increased his LD rate. Once that normalizes he’ll return to being the superior offensive player

by McCann's the Man on Sep 27, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, If I were referring to your argument with MP, I would have replied there….but, I took a quote from YOU and YOUR fanpost and responded to that. My post has NOTHING to do with your argument with MP.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Sep 28, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let them stats fly, Justin...

Your “awesome” hath been challenged.

"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"

by The Keith Lockhart Era on Sep 28, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just want you guys to know...

i might sound brash in my arguing here, so if i’ve offended anyone, i do apologize. i assure you my tone in my arguing is, for most part, light-hearted, although it doesnt seem to come off that way.

by ryan c on Sep 27, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You definitely come across as an ass-hole.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Sep 28, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as to your assumption...

you have the right to your opinion. i will live to see another day.

taking snippets out of someone’s post to make an argument is the main reason that the media sucks these days and that is exactly what you did. you took something that wasnt meant for you and then started arguing your side of it, which, by the way, is a weak point. you look back at his game log and tell me when he was streaky. he had some “off games”, but never really any terrible months when he was playing daily.

here are some other braves with cold months:
mccann: 228 ba august
chipper: 247 aug 235 sept
diaz: 216 april

so, by yours, michael’s, and mccann’s the mans way of labeling prado as a streaky player, almost every person on the team matches the description. baseball is a 162 game season and should be measured by a full-seasons production, not a 10 game stretch where they go 9 for 37 (which was prado’s “ice cold” end of july as to which is better than any of the above 3’s worse month).

the argument doesnt make sense. martin prado has been a consistent player who goes through hot stretches and mediocre stretches, but not like kelly johnson’s or andruw jones’ stretches of complete hitlessness.

by ryan c on Sep 28, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you can’t stand the heat, don’t be in the kitchen.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Sep 28, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's all you got?

i use evidence and you back yourself up with an old cliche? says a lot about the credentials of your posts. the blind squirrel cant find the nut unless he trips over it. that’s better.

by ryan c on Sep 28, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess you win this pissing contest. The fact that I chose not to pursue this should give your self-esteem enough of a boost to get you through until tomorrow.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Sep 28, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

some lively posts

on this site. I don’t know alot about contracts & finances but being in a management position @ work I know a litle about people. One bad apple might not spoil the whole bunch but it sure can stink up the joint. The Braves seem to have some good chemistry going & it’s not worth screwing that up by bringing a nut job like Bradley on board. Especially when there are so many other options out there.

by adc62 on Sep 28, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This indeed!

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Sep 28, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the post..

i enjoyed reading an actual post rather than an attack. the real reason i posted this was that i cant think of any other way that the braves can, financially, hold on to both hudson and vazquez. it’s not something that i would be incredibly excited about, but it would keep the core of this pitching staff together and add another strong bat. it might add some tension…it might not. bobby has handled assholes in the past.

by ryan c on Sep 28, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He may have handled assholes... but never for all that long

Not all of that was his fault by any means. Drew bolted for big money as soon as he had his one good season in Atlanta. When Gary Sheffield arrived, he said (my paraphrasing, but basically on point) “I want to finish my career in Atlanta and go into the HOF as a Brave.” After a couple years and no World Series, he bolted too. We’ve got some smaller sample sizes as well. Look at the 150 or so at bats logged in an Atlanta uniform by players like Bobby Bonilla or Ken Caminiti before they were done with the Braves (although Cammy wasn’t an A-hole, he had a lot of other difficult things to deal with on his plate). Bob Wickman quit on us down the stretch a few years back and he got kicked to the curb like an old couch. Players come to Atlanta, they do it the Braves and Bobby’s way or they get the F out. Barry Bonds begged to be traded to Atlanta in the mid-late 90’s and we wouldn’t touch him for the exact same reason we’re not taking Bradley. Head case egomaniac. Can’t think of one Brave matching that description that stuck around too terribly long…

"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"

by The Keith Lockhart Era on Sep 28, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, we agreed to a Bonds trade with Cox as the manager.

They pulled out.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Sep 29, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True. And, as much as I dislike Bonds to an unbelievable degree, the guy never, in any way, quit on any of his teams.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Oct 3, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i might be an asshole...

but at least i’m not a douche.

by ryan c on Sep 28, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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