The Rockies and D-backs both sent scouts to watch Tim Hudson make his return last night. Like...

The Rockies and D-backs both sent scouts to watch Tim Hudson make his return last night. Like Hudson, these clubs are wondering whether the Braves will bring the veteran right-hander back to Atlanta next year.

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We're going to be hearing about this for a while. My hope is that the Braves pick up Huddy's option and use one of those starting pitchers in a trade to acquire other needs.

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Why would the Rockies go?

Its not like we’re gonna send them Huddy to help them out with their injured rotation.

Frank Wren for GM of the Year.

by Scott Coleman on Sep 2, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions

next year, FA

by McCann's the Man on Sep 2, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions

thats the only guess i can come up with.

Frank Wren for GM of the Year.

by Scott Coleman on Sep 2, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Trade KK, if possible.

Probably not going to happen, though. for a million reasons.

Matt Diaz fucking rules.

by esadb on Sep 2, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions

Trade Vaz

It would only make sense to pick up Huddys option and trade Javy. If you like at Javys stats he has not been good until really this year. I don’t think that Javy will have the same kind of year as he has this year. TRADE JAVY!!

by blumad on Sep 3, 2009 12:31 AM EDT reply actions

ummmmmm.

no. if we’re trading from our strength we should:

pick up Hudson’s option.

trade Lowe to an AL team that can a.) pay his contract and b.) needs him. i’m thinking Lowe to the yankees for Jesus Montero. i doubt that the Yankees would do this, but when they don’t win this year (which they won’t), they’ll get desperate and mortgage the future for a pitcher who can eat up innings and stay healthy.

let Gonzalez walk and get the two Draft Picks.

resign Soriano (however, i don’t think this happens)

keep KK in the rotation with Hanson, Vaz…and?

Jarrod Washburn. 2 year deal. left hander, innings eater and while he’s not nearly what he once was, he still has the ability to get people out (and in the NL, he could do better. and in our pitching-centered organization, it could help him ALOT).

now, what to do with 1B? LaRoche for 3 years, potentially blocking Freeman? take a flyer on Glaus? dunno.

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 3, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions

Uh, wha?

Hanson, Vaz and . . . . Hudson? You did say to pick up his option. Not to mention Jurrjens.

So Jarrod Washburn can stay away from our team.

Also i dont believe Lowe needs to go to an AL team just a team that needs a pitcher. Im sure we would have to eat a portion of his contract, in fact i know we would. At least 5-6 mil of his contract. We would have to do it not expecting a lot in return though.

Just some teams that could use him next year.

Cardinals
Brewers
Astros
D’Backs
Giants
Rangers
Angels

I like the Brewers. Maybe we could pawn off Hardy some how. Then utilize Prado at 1B and Hardy at 2B.

I dunno, but i do agree that if we could get rid of Lowe we would be better off.

by drumzalicious on Sep 3, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions

Or Hardy at 3B?

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Sep 3, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions

um...

Where does Chip go . . . .

He already said 1B would be harder for him since he would have to be involved in every play. What we could do is Shift Prado, Hardy, and Esco slightly to the left to make up for Chips short comings defense wise. Then have Chip guard the line.

After Chip retires if we have JJ still around then we could put him at 3B

by drumzalicious on Sep 3, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions

That’s what I am talking about…get Hardy with the future plan to move him to 3B.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Sep 3, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions

you do realize montero is their jason heyward, right? He’s a top 5 prospect in baseball, we would have to trade either Hanson or Jurrjens to get Montero and that’s not happening.

by McCann's the Man on Sep 3, 2009 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions

this is beyond stupid

by McCann's the Man on Sep 3, 2009 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions

actually...

Montero’s going to play where? his defense is horrid. ergo, he’s NOT their version of Heyward.

if you’re going to call something stupid, prove it. don’t be a douche when you don’t seem to realize that Montero is a product of the Yankee hype machine.

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 3, 2009 6:02 AM EDT up reply actions

ps

that’s the second time you’ve been a douche.

perhaps you need to grow up?

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 3, 2009 6:02 AM EDT up reply actions

I’m a douche because I suggested Glaus, if healthy, would be a great option at 1B and supported this opinion while not agreeing with yours? Just because we don’t agree doesn’t mean anybody has to be the “bad guy” and it’s childish to bring face-less name calling into the conversation.

by McCann's the Man on Sep 3, 2009 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions

no, you're a douche

for saying something is stupid when you have no support.

TWICE

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 3, 2009 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions

and this is the 2nd time in the past week that I have seen a pot/kettle situation involving you

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Sep 3, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions

Fact remains that Montero is THEIR Heyward ie top prospect and guy that they simply won’t trade for just anybody especially a slightly above average starter making market value. And the this is beyond stupid is directed at the trade vazquez comment, why don’t you actually bother to click the up button before commenting? I mean it’s what an extra two seconds? Montero could either catch, play 1B (let Tex DH a couple days), or DH for them. He’s essentially Victor Martinez, they will find ways to get his bat in the lineup, probably mainly at DH though. There’s a red sox hype machine for prospects but yankees ones actually don’t get too much pub besides the three pitchers (jobaa, hughes, kennedy) one of whom is a failure (kennedy). The position players don’t get loads of unwarranted hype/attention though

by McCann's the Man on Sep 3, 2009 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions

essentially Victor Martinez?

my god. overreach much?

no yankees hype machine? two words for you: andrew brackman

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 3, 2009 7:33 AM EDT reply actions

McCann...

sorry about being an ass. i’m trying to quit smoking and sometimes i type before i think.

no hard feelings.

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 3, 2009 8:00 AM EDT reply actions

Assuming he’s healthy I want Hudson back. The guy is just a winner and always has been – unlike Vazquez, who I like, but geez, the guy has a LOSING record (and a losing team record) over 382 career starts. Those sexy peripheral stats start wearing off real quick when they don’t translate into success in the win/loss column. We should seriously explore trading him while his value is at peak levels.

Plus Hudson is a leader, a “team guy”, and that’s something I think we have been missing. He’s a guy that can lighten the mood in the clubhouse or dugout when the team needs to be reminded that it’s supposed to be a fun game or a guy that can give a stern lecture when they need to be reminded that they are making millions of dollars and they need to start living up to expectations. Chipper just isn’t that guy, no matter how much we want him to be

Of course, I think ultimately any decision should be made based on what the best option is. I would trade Hanson if the Cardinals offered us Pujols. We should be open to anything and let Wren work the phones to line up whatever deal makes us strongest.

by DCP916 on Sep 3, 2009 8:55 AM EDT reply actions

I agree, I think Vazquez should be moved, if anyone. His stock hasnt been this high in a long time, and has a decently reasonable pricetag. Noone is going to bite on Lowe or KK without us eating a portion of their contracts. Sell high is what I say. But as the age old adage goes, you can never have enough pitching, just not enough payroll. I would prefer to keep all 6 of these fellers

I thought hurricane season was over........

by bravesguy311 on Sep 3, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions

KK is probably an affordable option for many teams at $6.5 million for the next two years, especially when you consider that he is a revenue generator via the Japanese market.

But I doubt the Braves are willing to part with him after they have put up big money up front plus invested all of the time and resources on helping him make the transition to MLB. My hunch is that they still feel the KK signing can pay dividends.

Lowe is effectively untradeable, unless we eat so much of that contract as to nullify any potential team gain anyway. It was just a bad deal, from a salary management perspective.

by DCP916 on Sep 3, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions

For the kind of pitcher that KK is, he has a VERY affordable contract.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Sep 3, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions

His contract may be affordable, but doesnt have the credentials huddy or Vaz has. I know hes been throwing much better after getting acclimated to the game here, but his early season struggles inflate his numbers.

Regardless, we could net more from trading Vazquez in terms of talent than we could KK. In my perfect world, I would love to have all 6 of these guys, but it doesnt seem in the cards. Why not get as much as we can for JV while hes having a career year, because Im not sure he can repeat this pace next year.

However, who knows what Huddy will do next year either, both are in their 30s and not getting any younger.

I thought hurricane season was over........

by bravesguy311 on Sep 3, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Hudson also has more Heart, Grit and Determination. Heck, he has a career Grit of 240 while Vazquez only has a career Grit of 103.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Sep 3, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions

call it grit or whatever you want but...

I’ll take the guy who has a 66% career winning percentage over the guy that has a 49% any day.

Guess which one of those two numbers gets you into the postseason?

I’ve said this before but it deserves repeating – baseball is a simple game with ONE – and only ONE – objective: to WIN the game. Everything else is just bullshit. It’s cocktail conversation. Success in a game, or a season, comes down to one simple question – did you win?

Vazquez is not a winner. He never has been. That’s been his rap his whole career – no matter how good his stuff was, no matter how durable he is he loses more often than he wins. Give Hudson a lead and you can start celebrating a victory. Give Vazquez a lead and prepare to be disappointed. Put Hudson on the mound in a must win situation and he delivers, whereas Vazquez falters. That’s not something new – it’s simple reality based on ten years and over 300 games.

by DCP916 on Sep 3, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions

64-68 – Vaz’ record with the Montreal Fricken Expos – the team that is now the Washington Nationals

14-10 – Vaz’ record with the Yankees (A winning record on a good ball club, imagine that!)
11-15 – Vaz’ record with the D-Backs – the same D-Backs who went 77-85.
38-36 – Vaz’ record with the W-Sox – Ozzie Guillen hated him, yet he still pitched well

Judging a pitcher by his W-L record is foolish. That is like judging a QB on how many points per game his team allows.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Sep 3, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions

Ever notice how a white ballplayer often has more heart, grit and is more of a winner than a latin or black guy?

Just sayin.

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Sep 3, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions

it’s because Cuban’s all have an attitude problem.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Sep 3, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions

And Asian pitchers are only good for one season.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Sep 3, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions

lol

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Sep 3, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Hanson got a loss last week for giving up a single run in a Phillies game that he was forced to leave because of a rain delay. Vasquez and Kawakami have both pitched gems this year that have ended up as losses or no decisions because of either a shitty bullpen performance or a total lack of offense (or both).

W-L records for pitchers are bunk.

by get swoll yunel on Sep 3, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions

I guess I’d trade Vazquez and let Gonzo and Soriano walk. What would we want in return for Javy? I don’t see any immediate holes.

If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).

Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.

by TradeAndruw on Sep 3, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions

1B and just Power

However if we utilize Diaz fulltime in LF we would be pretty solid.

by drumzalicious on Sep 3, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions

what teams would reasonably fit for Javy?

if he wants to stay relatively on the East Coast?

Brewers (we could get a fair amount)
Cubs (I could see it)
Phillies (no way in hell do we trade him there)
Boston (interesting)
Tampa (doubt they’d take on the $$$)
Florida (see Tampa)
Texas (a possibility)

that’s it. best bet is where? do we match up with needs/prospects or players?

the best bet seems to be the Brewers and their combination of players and our need.

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 3, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions