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Bobby Cox's Successor?


Alot of talk lately has been with everyone's unhappiness with Bobby. So, whether the Braves were to let him go, or he decides to retire on his own, who do you think would be next in line to run the club? Freddy Gonzalez would obviously been the choice a few years ago but he seems to have things going pretty well in Florida. IMO the best candidate would be Ned Yost. He was around when the Braves were dominant in the 90's and knows the system very well. He also revitalized a Brewers team that was full of young guys much like the Braves are now. What do you guys think of Yost, or who would be a better man for the job?

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You mean his successor?

Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a s#!t about the rules?!?

by TennKen on Sep 11, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

haha, yeah thats what i meant. what the hell was i thinking. A little out of it i guess

by Hcgadawgs on Sep 11, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

what the hell?

what am I missing? You didnt misspell it up there….

by traphicg on Sep 11, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he probably edited it.

by acie4mvp on Sep 11, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

My vote is for Phillip Wellman. Bobby gets tossed all the time and never really does anything. I want to see some crazy antics when the manager gets tossed.

Funny Video

by Sparhawk on Sep 11, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Ned Yost; I’m surprised he hasn’t caught on somewhere else. I do agree with Sparhawk, Wellman’d be fun to watch.

by John Holton on Sep 11, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I Support

Eddie Perez to replace BC.

http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/

by PWHjort on Sep 11, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m down with that, though I have a hard time seeing him get angry or too serious as Bobby does

by Bmacbandwagon on Sep 11, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

good thought

Mat Gamel is way too cool for double consonants.

by VivaLosBravos on Sep 11, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

just a question about Eddie

does he speak english fluently? I’ve always wondered this and cant remember from the 90’s teams if he did or not.

Frank Wren for GM of the Year.

by Scott Coleman on Sep 11, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fluently and funnily.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Sep 12, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Better than Bobby’s staring off into space looking like someone just put a turd in his face when he’s asked a semi-tough question?

"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson

by 10-4 on Sep 14, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Close.

"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"

by The Keith Lockhart Era on Sep 16, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figure it will be Terry Pendleton not sayin i like the choice just that thats prolly the guy who will replace Cox.

braves#1

by rockybull on Sep 11, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I think they’ve been grooming him. Seems that way to me.

Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a s#!t about the rules?!?

by TennKen on Sep 11, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

M.A.N. eACTA

If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).

Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.

by TradeAndruw on Sep 11, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That would be incredible.

by 17843 on Sep 11, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. I would love this as well.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Sep 12, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rocket Wheeler: Coached 2008 Pelicans to the League Finals, 2003 Rome Braves to Championship, 1999 Dunden Blue Jays to League Finals. Has been in the braves system since 2003 so he knows a lot of the young guys very well such as Heyward (a part of the 2008 team), Hanson ( a part of the 2008 team for the 1st half), McCann( a part of the 2003 team). He also knows the veterans well since he has spent time with the Major league club once the minor league season ends. Is fiery which is needed

Eddie Perez: Knows the players well, was a catcher which normally turns into a good manager, knows the organization very well. He seems like a laid back guy.

Ned Yost: Knows the organization and players well. He has had major league managing success. Is fiery.

Chino Cadahia: Former Catcher. Has Managing experience (minor leagues). Does a good job when Cox gets ejected. Knows the Braves organization well

Ozzie Guillen: Knows the organization. Is very fiery. Is a winner. Was with the 2003 Marlins when they won the Championship, and won a Championship while managing the White Sox in 2005. He is always on thin ice in Chicago so it might be easy to bring him to Atlanta.

by BravesFanScout on Sep 11, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Ozzie would be an interesting choice, if he were available. I don’t know Wheeler, but it sounds like he has had good experience and knows the guys in the organization who are on their way here. Eddie or Chino have had the experience of having been with the organization the last few years and they both can communicate well with the Latin players. Ned Yost is still my choice, but I would be happy with any of these guys.

by John Holton on Sep 11, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ozzie would be an awful choice cause he’s just not a Braves kind of guy. I don’t like a manager who ruins players by talking down about them in the media.
Rocket would be an interesting choice, you rarely see a guy who’s never been a Major League coach get a job as a manager, particularly when it’s following a Hall of Famer.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Sep 12, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

cbwilk. Please not Ozzie. Just don’t like the guy. Winning is one thing. Winning w/class is another.

by adc62 on Sep 12, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most people might not remember Sean Tracey, the kid he made cry in the dugout. By the end of the next season, which he was spending in AAA for a different team, the kid had lost his confidence, both on the mound and in life, entirely, because of how Guillen acted. The fact that he’s allowed to be a manager is criminal to me.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Sep 13, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Easy.

Chino Cadahia.

Oh, Bobby.

by sdp on Sep 11, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I kinda like the Ozzie Guillen idea. I hadn’t thought about that. Maybe he’s the kinda guy that could light a fire under these guys a**. Though there has always been alot of drama around him, and that would not be tolerated in ATL.

by Hcgadawgs on Sep 11, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Guillen tried to light a fire under Javy, and how well did that work (for Chicago)?

by acie4mvp on Sep 11, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck Ozzie Guillen. If we get him, im seriously going to consider not being a braves fan anymore.

Frank Wren for GM of the Year.

by Scott Coleman on Sep 11, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

as hard is it is to say… but

THIS

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Sep 11, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cadahia

with Smoltz or Maddux as the future pitching coach and Chip as batting coach

by traphicg on Sep 11, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I feel that we need a manager that is not just a “players” manager. Someone who is not afraid to pull a guy out of the lineup because he is struggling. Now who that guy is, I have no idea.

"A Tar Heel Born and a Tar Heel bred, and when i die ill be a Tar Heel dead."

by mad_dog_maddux on Sep 11, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

What about Don Mattingly

He is currently the hitting coach for the Dodgers. He served as Joe Torre’s Hitting coach as well as his hitting coach for the Yankee’s in the past few years. I know he’s not from the Braves orginization but was a big part of the Yankee’s for many years.

by utahbrave on Sep 11, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

If we hire a hitting coach it has to be Jamarillo.

by graf on Sep 11, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maddux

Braves Raleigh knows where its atttt.

MATT DIAZ IS THE FUCKING MAN.
OK, I'll still believe...

by nick9314 on Sep 11, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d be a little interested if we tried the Arizona-type approach

by acie4mvp on Sep 11, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Freddi Gonzalez

I think he would be a perfect fit for the Braves. He has done a lot with a little in Florida and he has ties to the organization.

by KC Ryan on Sep 11, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Julio Franco?

Matt Diaz flipping rules.

...>_>

by esadb on Sep 11, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s too old to manage.

Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a s#!t about the rules?!?

by TennKen on Sep 11, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

Mat Gamel is way too cool for double consonants.

by VivaLosBravos on Sep 12, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dusty Baker!

What could go wrong?

Haha, i kid, i kid.

Frank Wren for GM of the Year.

by Scott Coleman on Sep 11, 2009 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Slightly off topic here, but I think it’s really cool Chipper apparently wants to be a hitting coach down the line. Hopefully it’ll be in Atlanta, right?

"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."

by Bravely going forward on Sep 11, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

i don’t think Chipper will even leave the organization when he retires. he will stay on in some capacity

by yondaime4 on Sep 12, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where else would it be?

I think once he retires from playing we’ll find him a job.

by ATLforlife on Sep 12, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know where, but i once heard good things about Brian Snitker.

"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson

by 10-4 on Sep 11, 2009 7:04 PM EDT reply actions  

That would be a great choice. Not very sexy, but he’s a great baseball man with about 30 years in the organization.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Sep 12, 2009 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather see him in the dugout

Than the 3rd base box. I know we’re far from the fastest team in the league but Snit throws up the stop-sign more than anyone I’ve ever seen. If McCann/Chipper/GA/LaRoche are on first base, it’s going to take a home run for him to wave them around 3rd.

"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"

by The Keith Lockhart Era on Sep 13, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better than Fredi Gonzalez who had a nonstop windmill for a right arm.

"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson

by 10-4 on Sep 14, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Valid point.

Where’s our Jimy Williams-like middle ground gone?

"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"

by The Keith Lockhart Era on Sep 16, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Out of the names i’ve seen my favorites are mattingly, gonzalez, and chino. Rocket wheeler sounds like he could be an intriguing candidate as well.

by McCann's the Man on Sep 11, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Bobby Valentine….hands down.

These kids need his kind of attitude. the veterans can suck it up or go else where. Yes, Chipper, I’m talking to you.

You wore a Gator jersey and picked OK State? After all the fans of UGA have done for you.
Unbelievable. Go back to redneck florida. You are no longer viable.

by samxrm on Sep 12, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chipper is from Florida, supporting his childhood team, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. Just because he plays for ATL doesn’t mean he has to love the Bulldogs

by McCann's the Man on Sep 12, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS…

and he was right about pickign OK St…. which i respect more than just picking ur loyalty… I have way more respect for a guy who can admit when he thinks his team is gonna lose (even though in this case UGA isnt his team per se)

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Sep 13, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah im a huge UGA fan but if you had asked me who i thought was going to win the game i would’ve told you OK state. Georgia is just bad this year, doesn’t mean i won’t cheer it just means im going to be a little realistic

by McCann's the Man on Sep 13, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly… im a big WI fan… when they play (well anyone) OSU or Penn St… i will not expect a win and i will predict a loss. I want the win just as bad but Im realistic.

My question is did u A) think UGA would lose to SC? (i know they didnt) and B) think that many pts would be scored?

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Sep 13, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had Georgia winning it 16 or 17 to 13. So I got the team but boy was I surprised when they started piling up points

by McCann's the Man on Sep 13, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

take it easy!

"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."

by Bravely going forward on Sep 14, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby Valentine. I’m interested to know what folks around here think of him.

Chino Cadahia would be a great choice, too. So would Acta.

Not too sure about Pendleton… he seems to be the organizational favorite to succeed Bobby. He was a good player, but I’m not seeing it translate into success as a hitting coach. But does that mean he wouldn’t be a good manager?

"Brian McCann will be guest starring as Bizarro in Smallville this fall. See, he has to put his glasses on to become Superman." -by Rhyno18 on Aug 4, 2009 5:52 PM EDT

by Chopaholic on Sep 12, 2009 8:17 AM EDT reply actions  

not a bad idea, Murphy coaching, Chipper hitting coach, Maddux/Smoltz pitching coach, and Eddie Perez as bench coach would be a dream coaching staff in a couple of years.

by McCann's the Man on Sep 13, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is the Christmas Morning of coaching staffs

And we can only wish.

"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"

by The Keith Lockhart Era on Sep 13, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i can’t see him arguing with the umpire at any point though.

"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson

by 10-4 on Sep 13, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

You never know, he might get into someones face. It might not be typical arguing though.

“Gosh darn-it. I think you are doing a very poor job of calling balls and strikes. What the fudge are you looking at? Please, pay more attention to the correct strike zone. Have a nice day, God bless.”

60% of the time, it works every time

by ATLandUNC on Sep 13, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

really?...

nothing against Murph, but has he ever been on a coaching staff? Why could he just step in and manage with no experience since his playing days ended over 15 years ago?

by Mr. Sanchez on Sep 13, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bring on theMurph

Murph may not have a long resume of coaching baseball, buy he does have a long history of coaching and developing men. Don’t sleep on this idea. In a perfect world he would have a long successful stint as head coach and sneak into the Hall of Fame throught the back door. IMO they should roll out the red carpet for him. Number two in Hr’s and RBIs in the 80’s behind only Mike Schmidt and Eddy Murray(both enshrined). Five gold gloves for a catcher convert to outfielder. 20/20 guy for I don’t know how many years. I heart Dale Murphy. I still have my Dale Murphy signature series glove.

by BravesfaninMontana on Sep 16, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again, I love Muprh too,...

but being a great player for an organization doesn’t mean you can be a great manager/coach. If he had some experience, ANY experience managing a baseball game, be it Arizona Fall League, Utah semi-pro, maybe spend a year in Rome or with a short season like Danville, at least something. But other than being the franchise icon for a decade, what else is on his resume?

Seriously, would you advocate Dominique Wilkins to be head coach of the Hawks too?

by Mr. Sanchez on Sep 18, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Great idea, this. Murph would be just what the doctor ordered for this team. That… and some more offense.

"Brian McCann will be guest starring as Bizarro in Smallville this fall. See, he has to put his glasses on to become Superman." -by Rhyno18 on Aug 4, 2009 5:52 PM EDT

by Chopaholic on Sep 13, 2009 1:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Reply fail. This is meant for ATLandUNC, of course.

"Brian McCann will be guest starring as Bizarro in Smallville this fall. See, he has to put his glasses on to become Superman." -by Rhyno18 on Aug 4, 2009 5:52 PM EDT

by Chopaholic on Sep 13, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eddie Perez or Ned Yost

by Lemke4790 on Sep 14, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Be careful of what you wish for

My opinion is to let Bobby manage as long as he wants.

I’m sure many of you weren’t around for the 70s and 80s Braves teams. I do, and the managers we had were just as responsible for the terrible results as the players. Lum Harris, Bobby Wine, Chuck Tanner, Dave Bristol, Russ Nixon etc.

We could do much worse than Bobby.

by El Bravos on Sep 14, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Exactly

If we get rid of Bobby we might miss the postseason for 5 straight seasons.

Oh wait…..

60% of the time, it works every time

by ATLandUNC on Sep 14, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

IDK

whoever had the best record the year before that guy should go in for B.C.

by southman on Sep 15, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Logical Choices

I, in many ways, will be sad to see Bobby retire (hopefully that is what will happen). The choice of his successor and the coaching staff must be looked at carefully. There are several good choices out there as well as many bad ones.

Dale Murphy – not a bad choice, I agree with many that he would not be an “in your face” manager. There is nothing wrong with that. The Murph, to my knowledge, has no managerial experience.

Chino Cadahia, Brian Snitker, Eddie Perez… - I worry about the current coaching staff not having anyone of managerial quality. The current staff has no one on it who could replace Bobby, and I believe it is intentionally structured that way. Previous coaching staff contained people such as Jimy Williams, Ned Yost, Pat Corrales, Fredi Gonzales, etc., strong baseball leaders who could be the new manager if Schuerholz had enough provocation to fire Bobby. Bobby, possibly with Frank Wren’s aid, has made the staff full of followers, not successors, a good tactic for Bobby considering his current managerial SNAFUs.

Jimy Williams, Ned Yost, Fredi Gonzales… - I like any of those men as manager. They learned good lessons from Bobby, yet augmented that with their own successes and managerial style. Yost is still young enough to have a certain competative fire that the older Williams might lack. Gonzales probably will not leave the Marlins; he has marked that as his team in many ways and is likely loathe to walk away from his creation (however poor it might be). Gonzales probably will not leave the Marlins until the new ballpark is finished, his payoff for managing in the Dolphin/Landshark h***hole.

Ozzie Guillen, Dusty Baker – These two are wrong for so many reasons. However, one thought should be considered; you think you complain too much about Bobby Cox, what do you think the message boards would look like with one of these two at the helm.

Bobby Valentine – No, No, No. First, why would he come to Atlanta. Although recently canned, he is beloved above all in Japan. Second, why would he want to manage in front of Atlanta’s fans. I am not disparaging anyone on Talking Chop, you care or you would not make the effort to post opinions. Watching most Braves home games shows a crowd that, if judged by their facial expressions, could be watching a golf match. There is no baseball passion in Turner Field. Many Atlanta Braves fans became spoiled by winning division titles every year (I was one). If you look at attendence during the run, it became lower every year until the Baby Braves rejuvenated it. Then the Braves started losing, fans became scarce and uninterested in the team on the field. Bobby Valentine, after managing in front of the two most passionate groups of baseball fans in the world, in Japan and New York, will likely not come to Atlanta. I also hated his antics in New York and do not want him anywhere near the home dugout.

Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, John Smoltz – All three are candidates for pitching coach (I thought I would throw this in as McDowell need to be shown the door more than Bobby). Maddux would be a good choice. One must remember that strongly competative athletic greats do not always make good coaches. Ted Williams was a terrible manager. Bob Gibson (Maddux’s pitching idol) was not coaching material. Greg Maddux’s nickname was Mad Dog; it’s not because he was a nice guy. The man would have beaten Chipper Jones up on the field in 1995 for making an error if Fred McGriff had not come between them. The other fact is that Maddux retired so he would not have to travel away from home during the baseball season. Unlike Glavine and Smoltz, home for Maddux is Las Vegas, not Atlanta.
Glavine would likely not become pitching coach for Atlanta, not because of the events of this year (which do play a role), but because of his foray into coaching last year. Remember, Glavine was brought on board to mentor Atlanta’s promising young starting pitching as well as play. Glavine, as well as Bobby Cox and the Braves organization, grew increasingly frustrated with the pitchers that needed Glavine’s guidance: Chuck James and Jo Jo Reyes. I believe this has left a sour taste in Glavine’s mouth about being a pitching coach.
Smoltz will probably not take a position as pitching coach due to the debacle of the offseason that saw his departure from Altlanta. Whether justified from a competative standpoint or not, Smoltz sees it as a personal slight.

Leo Mazzone – The Man. He could take a pile of pitching s*** and turn it into gold. We all watched him do it. While some will point out the pitchers that he gave up on and the fact that he was able to develop few starting pitchers during the division run, I challenge that he was given little talent to do that with. Odalis Perez and Jason Marquis were never going to be great pitchers, when they did not listen to Mazzone, they simply shot themselves in the foot and ruined a chance to have a better-than-their-stuff type of career. I guarantee that this 2009 Braves starting pitching staff would have more than one complete game victory under Leo Mazzone’s guidance.

I do not have the true answer to who should be Bobby Cox’s successor. My personal choice is Ned Yost with Leo Mazzone as his pitching coach. I would like to end with one statement made by the esteemed owner Robert Edward Turner III to a member of the press in 1981 on his search for a new manager. “It would be Bobby Cox if I hadn’t just fired him. We need someone like him around here.”

by Mr. Glavine #47 on Sep 15, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Why the hate for Roger? I think he’s done a damn fine job as pitching coach. Sure, some young pitchers have not worked out under him, but at the same time Leo couldn’t reach some kids either and he got fired as the PC in Baltimore. Jurrjens and Hanson have turned out just fine under the tutelage of McDowell, and Vazquez is having a career year. Lowe has experienced a downturn, but his FIP is right around his career norm and I’ve heard from several places that he, much like Hudson, has had difficulty adapting to the southern heat and humidity.

by bravesfan91 on Sep 15, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought about Leo as well. Not sure how Braves mgt feels about him. Did he burn bridges when he went to Baltimore?

by adc62 on Sep 16, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

You"re All Crazy

Do whatever it takes, spend as much as it takes, hire Mike Scioscia.

Senator, we have another old saying,"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." Fletcher

by jimmontg on Sep 16, 2009 12:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Because he would love to leave southern California and leave an owner that will open the wallet occasionally.

Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a s#!t about the rules?!?

by TennKen on Sep 16, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

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