Bobby Cox's Successor?
Alot of talk lately has been with everyone's unhappiness with Bobby. So, whether the Braves were to let him go, or he decides to retire on his own, who do you think would be next in line to run the club? Freddy Gonzalez would obviously been the choice a few years ago but he seems to have things going pretty well in Florida. IMO the best candidate would be Ned Yost. He was around when the Braves were dominant in the 90's and knows the system very well. He also revitalized a Brewers team that was full of young guys much like the Braves are now. What do you guys think of Yost, or who would be a better man for the job?
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I’m down with that, though I have a hard time seeing him get angry or too serious as Bobby does
by Bmacbandwagon on Sep 11, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
good thought
Mat Gamel is way too cool for double consonants.
by VivaLosBravos on Sep 11, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
just a question about Eddie
does he speak english fluently? I’ve always wondered this and cant remember from the 90’s teams if he did or not.
Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
by Scott Coleman on Sep 11, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Fluently and funnily.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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God, those would be the best post game interviews in baseball if Eddie took over.
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Sep 13, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Better than Bobby’s staring off into space looking like someone just put a turd in his face when he’s asked a semi-tough question?
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
Close.
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Sep 16, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I figure it will be Terry Pendleton not sayin i like the choice just that thats prolly the guy who will replace Cox.
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If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
by TradeAndruw on Sep 11, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rocket Wheeler: Coached 2008 Pelicans to the League Finals, 2003 Rome Braves to Championship, 1999 Dunden Blue Jays to League Finals. Has been in the braves system since 2003 so he knows a lot of the young guys very well such as Heyward (a part of the 2008 team), Hanson ( a part of the 2008 team for the 1st half), McCann( a part of the 2003 team). He also knows the veterans well since he has spent time with the Major league club once the minor league season ends. Is fiery which is needed
Eddie Perez: Knows the players well, was a catcher which normally turns into a good manager, knows the organization very well. He seems like a laid back guy.
Ned Yost: Knows the organization and players well. He has had major league managing success. Is fiery.
Chino Cadahia: Former Catcher. Has Managing experience (minor leagues). Does a good job when Cox gets ejected. Knows the Braves organization well
Ozzie Guillen: Knows the organization. Is very fiery. Is a winner. Was with the 2003 Marlins when they won the Championship, and won a Championship while managing the White Sox in 2005. He is always on thin ice in Chicago so it might be easy to bring him to Atlanta.
Ozzie would be an interesting choice, if he were available. I don’t know Wheeler, but it sounds like he has had good experience and knows the guys in the organization who are on their way here. Eddie or Chino have had the experience of having been with the organization the last few years and they both can communicate well with the Latin players. Ned Yost is still my choice, but I would be happy with any of these guys.
Ozzie would be an awful choice cause he’s just not a Braves kind of guy. I don’t like a manager who ruins players by talking down about them in the media.
Rocket would be an interesting choice, you rarely see a guy who’s never been a Major League coach get a job as a manager, particularly when it’s following a Hall of Famer.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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agreed
cbwilk. Please not Ozzie. Just don’t like the guy. Winning is one thing. Winning w/class is another.
Most people might not remember Sean Tracey, the kid he made cry in the dugout. By the end of the next season, which he was spending in AAA for a different team, the kid had lost his confidence, both on the mound and in life, entirely, because of how Guillen acted. The fact that he’s allowed to be a manager is criminal to me.
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I kinda like the Ozzie Guillen idea. I hadn’t thought about that. Maybe he’s the kinda guy that could light a fire under these guys a**. Though there has always been alot of drama around him, and that would not be tolerated in ATL.
fuck Ozzie Guillen. If we get him, im seriously going to consider not being a braves fan anymore.
Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
by Scott Coleman on Sep 11, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What about Don Mattingly
He is currently the hitting coach for the Dodgers. He served as Joe Torre’s Hitting coach as well as his hitting coach for the Yankee’s in the past few years. I know he’s not from the Braves orginization but was a big part of the Yankee’s for many years.
Maddux
Braves Raleigh knows where its atttt.
MATT DIAZ IS THE FUCKING MAN.
OK, I'll still believe...
Freddi Gonzalez
I think he would be a perfect fit for the Braves. He has done a lot with a little in Florida and he has ties to the organization.
He’s too old to manage.
Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a s#!t about the rules?!?
haha
Mat Gamel is way too cool for double consonants.
by VivaLosBravos on Sep 12, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, next year Tommy Hanson leads the NL with 350 innings
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Sep 13, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Slightly off topic here, but I think it’s really cool Chipper apparently wants to be a hitting coach down the line. Hopefully it’ll be in Atlanta, right?
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."
by Bravely going forward on Sep 11, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions
Where else would it be?
I think once he retires from playing we’ll find him a job.
I don’t know where, but i once heard good things about Brian Snitker.
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
That would be a great choice. Not very sexy, but he’s a great baseball man with about 30 years in the organization.
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I'd rather see him in the dugout
Than the 3rd base box. I know we’re far from the fastest team in the league but Snit throws up the stop-sign more than anyone I’ve ever seen. If McCann/Chipper/GA/LaRoche are on first base, it’s going to take a home run for him to wave them around 3rd.
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Sep 13, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Better than Fredi Gonzalez who had a nonstop windmill for a right arm.
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
Valid point.
Where’s our Jimy Williams-like middle ground gone?
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Sep 16, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Out of the names i’ve seen my favorites are mattingly, gonzalez, and chino. Rocket wheeler sounds like he could be an intriguing candidate as well.
by McCann's the Man on Sep 11, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions
Bobby Valentine….hands down.
These kids need his kind of attitude. the veterans can suck it up or go else where. Yes, Chipper, I’m talking to you.
You wore a Gator jersey and picked OK State? After all the fans of UGA have done for you.
Unbelievable. Go back to redneck florida. You are no longer viable.
Chipper is from Florida, supporting his childhood team, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. Just because he plays for ATL doesn’t mean he has to love the Bulldogs
by McCann's the Man on Sep 12, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS…
and he was right about pickign OK St…. which i respect more than just picking ur loyalty… I have way more respect for a guy who can admit when he thinks his team is gonna lose (even though in this case UGA isnt his team per se)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
yeah im a huge UGA fan but if you had asked me who i thought was going to win the game i would’ve told you OK state. Georgia is just bad this year, doesn’t mean i won’t cheer it just means im going to be a little realistic
by McCann's the Man on Sep 13, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly… im a big WI fan… when they play (well anyone) OSU or Penn St… i will not expect a win and i will predict a loss. I want the win just as bad but Im realistic.
My question is did u A) think UGA would lose to SC? (i know they didnt) and B) think that many pts would be scored?
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I had Georgia winning it 16 or 17 to 13. So I got the team but boy was I surprised when they started piling up points
by McCann's the Man on Sep 13, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
take it easy!
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."
by Bravely going forward on Sep 14, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Bobby Valentine. I’m interested to know what folks around here think of him.
Chino Cadahia would be a great choice, too. So would Acta.
Not too sure about Pendleton… he seems to be the organizational favorite to succeed Bobby. He was a good player, but I’m not seeing it translate into success as a hitting coach. But does that mean he wouldn’t be a good manager?
"Brian McCann will be guest starring as Bizarro in Smallville this fall. See, he has to put his glasses on to become Superman." -by Rhyno18 on Aug 4, 2009 5:52 PM EDT
Eddie Perez
with Maddux as his Pitching Coach and Chipper as his Hitting Coach.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 12, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions
Dale Murphy
And I’m not just pulling this out of my ass. Read a 2007 interview with him in which he was asked about managing the Braves and his quote read something along the lines of “Me and John Schuerholz have actually spoke of this possibility before. It’s something I would definitely be open to.”
I think it makes a lot of sense. It would be a PR dream for the Braves, he knows how to play the game with hustle and heart every day, and he knows baseball inside and out.
60% of the time, it works every time
by ATLandUNC on Sep 12, 2009 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
not a bad idea, Murphy coaching, Chipper hitting coach, Maddux/Smoltz pitching coach, and Eddie Perez as bench coach would be a dream coaching staff in a couple of years.
by McCann's the Man on Sep 13, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
That is the Christmas Morning of coaching staffs
And we can only wish.
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Sep 13, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i can’t see him arguing with the umpire at any point though.
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
You never know, he might get into someones face. It might not be typical arguing though.
“Gosh darn-it. I think you are doing a very poor job of calling balls and strikes. What the fudge are you looking at? Please, pay more attention to the correct strike zone. Have a nice day, God bless.”
60% of the time, it works every time
by ATLandUNC on Sep 13, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sort of the Andy Griffith approach
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Sep 13, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
really?...
nothing against Murph, but has he ever been on a coaching staff? Why could he just step in and manage with no experience since his playing days ended over 15 years ago?
by Mr. Sanchez on Sep 13, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Bring on theMurph
Murph may not have a long resume of coaching baseball, buy he does have a long history of coaching and developing men. Don’t sleep on this idea. In a perfect world he would have a long successful stint as head coach and sneak into the Hall of Fame throught the back door. IMO they should roll out the red carpet for him. Number two in Hr’s and RBIs in the 80’s behind only Mike Schmidt and Eddy Murray(both enshrined). Five gold gloves for a catcher convert to outfielder. 20/20 guy for I don’t know how many years. I heart Dale Murphy. I still have my Dale Murphy signature series glove.
by BravesfaninMontana on Sep 16, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, I love Muprh too,...
but being a great player for an organization doesn’t mean you can be a great manager/coach. If he had some experience, ANY experience managing a baseball game, be it Arizona Fall League, Utah semi-pro, maybe spend a year in Rome or with a short season like Danville, at least something. But other than being the franchise icon for a decade, what else is on his resume?
Seriously, would you advocate Dominique Wilkins to be head coach of the Hawks too?
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Great idea, this. Murph would be just what the doctor ordered for this team. That… and some more offense.
"Brian McCann will be guest starring as Bizarro in Smallville this fall. See, he has to put his glasses on to become Superman." -by Rhyno18 on Aug 4, 2009 5:52 PM EDT
Be careful of what you wish for
My opinion is to let Bobby manage as long as he wants.
I’m sure many of you weren’t around for the 70s and 80s Braves teams. I do, and the managers we had were just as responsible for the terrible results as the players. Lum Harris, Bobby Wine, Chuck Tanner, Dave Bristol, Russ Nixon etc.
We could do much worse than Bobby.
Logical Choices
I, in many ways, will be sad to see Bobby retire (hopefully that is what will happen). The choice of his successor and the coaching staff must be looked at carefully. There are several good choices out there as well as many bad ones.
Dale Murphy – not a bad choice, I agree with many that he would not be an “in your face” manager. There is nothing wrong with that. The Murph, to my knowledge, has no managerial experience.
Chino Cadahia, Brian Snitker, Eddie Perez… - I worry about the current coaching staff not having anyone of managerial quality. The current staff has no one on it who could replace Bobby, and I believe it is intentionally structured that way. Previous coaching staff contained people such as Jimy Williams, Ned Yost, Pat Corrales, Fredi Gonzales, etc., strong baseball leaders who could be the new manager if Schuerholz had enough provocation to fire Bobby. Bobby, possibly with Frank Wren’s aid, has made the staff full of followers, not successors, a good tactic for Bobby considering his current managerial SNAFUs.
Jimy Williams, Ned Yost, Fredi Gonzales… - I like any of those men as manager. They learned good lessons from Bobby, yet augmented that with their own successes and managerial style. Yost is still young enough to have a certain competative fire that the older Williams might lack. Gonzales probably will not leave the Marlins; he has marked that as his team in many ways and is likely loathe to walk away from his creation (however poor it might be). Gonzales probably will not leave the Marlins until the new ballpark is finished, his payoff for managing in the Dolphin/Landshark h***hole.
Ozzie Guillen, Dusty Baker – These two are wrong for so many reasons. However, one thought should be considered; you think you complain too much about Bobby Cox, what do you think the message boards would look like with one of these two at the helm.
Bobby Valentine – No, No, No. First, why would he come to Atlanta. Although recently canned, he is beloved above all in Japan. Second, why would he want to manage in front of Atlanta’s fans. I am not disparaging anyone on Talking Chop, you care or you would not make the effort to post opinions. Watching most Braves home games shows a crowd that, if judged by their facial expressions, could be watching a golf match. There is no baseball passion in Turner Field. Many Atlanta Braves fans became spoiled by winning division titles every year (I was one). If you look at attendence during the run, it became lower every year until the Baby Braves rejuvenated it. Then the Braves started losing, fans became scarce and uninterested in the team on the field. Bobby Valentine, after managing in front of the two most passionate groups of baseball fans in the world, in Japan and New York, will likely not come to Atlanta. I also hated his antics in New York and do not want him anywhere near the home dugout.
Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, John Smoltz – All three are candidates for pitching coach (I thought I would throw this in as McDowell need to be shown the door more than Bobby). Maddux would be a good choice. One must remember that strongly competative athletic greats do not always make good coaches. Ted Williams was a terrible manager. Bob Gibson (Maddux’s pitching idol) was not coaching material. Greg Maddux’s nickname was Mad Dog; it’s not because he was a nice guy. The man would have beaten Chipper Jones up on the field in 1995 for making an error if Fred McGriff had not come between them. The other fact is that Maddux retired so he would not have to travel away from home during the baseball season. Unlike Glavine and Smoltz, home for Maddux is Las Vegas, not Atlanta.
Glavine would likely not become pitching coach for Atlanta, not because of the events of this year (which do play a role), but because of his foray into coaching last year. Remember, Glavine was brought on board to mentor Atlanta’s promising young starting pitching as well as play. Glavine, as well as Bobby Cox and the Braves organization, grew increasingly frustrated with the pitchers that needed Glavine’s guidance: Chuck James and Jo Jo Reyes. I believe this has left a sour taste in Glavine’s mouth about being a pitching coach.
Smoltz will probably not take a position as pitching coach due to the debacle of the offseason that saw his departure from Altlanta. Whether justified from a competative standpoint or not, Smoltz sees it as a personal slight.
Leo Mazzone – The Man. He could take a pile of pitching s*** and turn it into gold. We all watched him do it. While some will point out the pitchers that he gave up on and the fact that he was able to develop few starting pitchers during the division run, I challenge that he was given little talent to do that with. Odalis Perez and Jason Marquis were never going to be great pitchers, when they did not listen to Mazzone, they simply shot themselves in the foot and ruined a chance to have a better-than-their-stuff type of career. I guarantee that this 2009 Braves starting pitching staff would have more than one complete game victory under Leo Mazzone’s guidance.
I do not have the true answer to who should be Bobby Cox’s successor. My personal choice is Ned Yost with Leo Mazzone as his pitching coach. I would like to end with one statement made by the esteemed owner Robert Edward Turner III to a member of the press in 1981 on his search for a new manager. “It would be Bobby Cox if I hadn’t just fired him. We need someone like him around here.”
by Mr. Glavine #47 on Sep 15, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions
Why the hate for Roger? I think he’s done a damn fine job as pitching coach. Sure, some young pitchers have not worked out under him, but at the same time Leo couldn’t reach some kids either and he got fired as the PC in Baltimore. Jurrjens and Hanson have turned out just fine under the tutelage of McDowell, and Vazquez is having a career year. Lowe has experienced a downturn, but his FIP is right around his career norm and I’ve heard from several places that he, much like Hudson, has had difficulty adapting to the southern heat and humidity.
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