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Braves pitching prospect Julio Teheran

The article is subscription only, but it's a good read about the Atlanta Braves next great pitching prospect, Julio Teheran.

"He's got a plus fastball and then when he throws his changeup, obviously it makes his fastball look that much better," Runge said. "But the thing that was impressive tonight was that he had plus command of his breaking ball and he had plus control of his curveball. That may have been the best curveball we've seen him throw in his young career. When you see pitchers develop like that, you know they've got a chance to move really fast."

Naturally, Ben Badler, the Baseball America prospect guy who saw Teheran pitch, saw him pitch the best game of his short pro career. He apparently had every pitch working perfectly, and was completely fooling hitters -- he struck out 11 in 8 innings. Runge was also quoted as saying how much Teheran has matured as a pitcher.

Per the last line of the quote above, it will be interesting to see how fast the Braves move Teheran. They've been cautious with him so far, but he's still really young, so there's plenty of time.

If you like following prospects, but you don't have a subscription to Baseball America, then it's time to get one. If you want to spend some money to learn about prospects, that's the place to start.

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I already spent for Baseball Prospectus! Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!

Haha, you guys do a great job covering the prospects here. Reading TC’s nightly minor league reviews has made me 1000x more knowledgeable than I was before about our farm system.

by nickfeely8 on Aug 4, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

You know, we could use an extra arm for the bullpen this year. Hmmmm…

If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).

Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.

by TradeAndruw on Aug 4, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

No

I almost posted that response before you even commented…

A man walks into a meat shoppe and goes to the counter. The cashier asks, "Thinking about buying some meat?". The man replied, "No, I'm going to buy meat, I was thinking about punanny."

by bwellnjonesco on Aug 4, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...Not a chance

Would you really consider that a good idea?

by Andy Braves Fan on Aug 4, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

woah woah

What?

I doubt he would be like Latos has been

by drumzalicious on Aug 4, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Cartagena Kid

That’s what I call him. If he’s not the best pitching prospect in our system, he’s certainly the most exciting.

http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/

by PWHjort on Aug 4, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Hopefully

This guy will help take some of the sting away from Neftali Feliz, bc apparently he looked pretty disgusting last night in his debut.

by bravesguy95 on Aug 4, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Became the first pitcher in 40+ years

To strikeout the first 4 batters he’s ever faced in his major league debut….impressive indeed.

by RaffyGonzo on Aug 4, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

he clocked in at 100 a few times..his last pitch was 101….sigh

by WeStillHaveBobby on Aug 4, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

At the game, right behind home plate. It was truly a thing of beauty to watch.

by Yakker on Aug 4, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

so wait

what was the pitch he was throwing at 91?

I thought his fast ball usually sits around 97-98?

by drumzalicious on Aug 4, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

2-seamer

his 2-seamer has a ton of movement and is in the low 90’s. The four-seamer has a lot less movie but lights up the radar gun.

by was385 on Aug 4, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what it looked like to me.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 5, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Change

From Fangraphs:

I also was watching Feliz last night on the MLB network and Bill Ripken immediately called his 90 mph offering a changeup. Harold Reynolds refused to believe him claiming it had to be a two seamer. They freeze framed the pitch before the release and sure enough he had a four finger grip on the ball. Harold almost fell out of his chair.

by Yakker on Aug 5, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Christ.

That’s a little crazy.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 5, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

so essentially

it’s still a two-seam fastball

by was385 on Aug 5, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unclear

To me, it looked like a slider, but I’ve heard reports that it was a 2-seamer, a splitter, and a change-up (!).

His FB last night was between 98-101 on the stadium gun, and he hit triple digits 5 times in 2 innings.

by Yakker on Aug 5, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Completely unrelated, but...

I was checking out Gwinnett’s box score for today and the G-Braves faced one Ken Ray today (he’s apparently a AAA starter right now). That was a blast from the past. I still remember him striking out Barry Bonds in his first appearance with us, with that crazy changeup.

by was385 on Aug 4, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

He does remind me a lot of Feliz, can easily bring the heat but is still developing and needs to bring along the secondary pitches. But that’s exactly why you don’t trade him away, if that secondary stuff comes along and he adds 30-40 pounds he’s probably at triple digit heat making him a top prospect in all of baseball. Certainly seems like he’s on the right track

by McCann's the Man on Aug 4, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

much more advanced than Feliz was at the same age

Teheran always had quite advanced secondary stuff and that, combined with the fastball and pretty good control is what made him such an intriguing international prospect when he signed. Feliz has always been, and still is a great prospect because of his fastball. His secondary stuff is still developing (though you really don’t need great secondary stuff with that fastball). They really aren’t all that great comps outside of being young foreign-born players with live arms.

by was385 on Aug 4, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t clear, I wasn’t trying to say they’re the same type of pitcher. They only remind me of each other because of the live fastball with room to grow at such a young age. I actually like Teheran more, obviously would take Feliz now due to being closer to a sure thing, but I think Teheran has higher upside. And that’s why you don’t trade Teheran away, no matter who you can get.

by McCann's the Man on Aug 4, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

even if we could get Tiexiera? lol.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Aug 4, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the thing, 18 year old pitchers are never the centerpiece of that type of deal, they’re “throw-ins” essentially. Feliz was the least regarded prospect we gave up at the time in the tex deal.

by McCann's the Man on Aug 4, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

we gave up Beau Jones

so lets call it second least regarded

by was385 on Aug 4, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

not at the time the deal was made

by McCann's the Man on Aug 4, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think there is any chance

That Beau Jones was more highly regarded than Feliz.

by parish on Aug 4, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

IIRC he was the #5 prospect in the braves system coming into that season, Feliz wasn’t top 10 and I don’t even know about top 20

by McCann's the Man on Aug 4, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think you remember correctly

BP had Feliz at number three (behind Salty and Harrison) and Jones not in the top ten

by was385 on Aug 4, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

link? I’m wrong about Jones, he dropped off the year before and scouts weren’t as high on him based on the rankings but I haven’t seen Feliz third, I would think Andrus is definitely in front of him as well

by McCann's the Man on Aug 5, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

How the hell did they consider Matt Harrison a “Very Good Prospect”?

"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09

by buzzdeadwax on Aug 5, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or Eric Campbell, for that matter.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 5, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eric Campbell

had a 1.107 OPS in Danville at 19 and an .847 OPS for Rome at 20. I assume that you’ve started following prospects more recently, but as recently as a few years ago, he was a very highly regarded prospect who was considered our future at third base.

by was385 on Aug 5, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only if you hadn’t seen him play. Anybody who’s watch him could tell that when it came to a level where natural talent loses out to work ethic, like AA, that he would flounder.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Aug 5, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

well that was always his problem

just like Delmon Young, but the hope was that he’d mature. He obviously hasn’t, however that doesn’t change the fact that he was a very highly regarded prospect by just about everyone.

by was385 on Aug 5, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I know about the numbers he put up.

But, like cb, I had seen him and heard that the projection didn’t actually match the numbers.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 5, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

talent-wise

the projection always matched the numbers. Maturity was always the question.

by was385 on Aug 6, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good control?

BA had him 90th in baseball after his A+/AA season.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 5, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

pitchability lefty

He was a very polished left-hander with pretty decent stuff, very good command, and very good results. He was considered a very solid future middle of the rotation starter.

by was385 on Aug 5, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the time, I thought more highly of Feliz than Harrison, Saltalamacchia, and Jones.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Aug 5, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell Teheran might be more advanced than Feliz now

by yondaime4 on Aug 4, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uhh, yeah, sure...

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 5, 2009 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm

Hanson or Feliz who do you take. Me personally i hate both

by drumzalicious on Aug 5, 2009 3:40 AM EDT reply actions  

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