Jason Heyward - A study of minor league performance
ATTENTION: VERY LONG READ, LOTS OF NUMBERS, AND POSSIBILITY OF EXCESSIVE PROSPECT FAWNING AHEAD. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
I think it is pretty safe to say that Jason Heyward mania is rising to new levels in the Braves community. Personally, I have gone from enjoying yondaime's excellent nightly Minor League Recaps, to them being required reading, to now periodically checking on AA Mississippi's live box score to see what J-Hey is doing. If he gets a couple more XBH this week, I am going to instruct my girlfriend that I will only respond to the name "Heyward" going forward. His torrid 2009 campaign has Braves fans asking two questions:
1) How long does Heyward need at the minor league level to ensure that he has polished his game to the optimal amount?
2) Based on his minor league production, what could we expect as far as big league performance if Heyward was needed for a playoff run in Atlanta this year?
This post explores the minor league careers of several other top prospects, and their level of success as young players transitioning into the big leagues. The goal is to gain some level of perspective as to how much Heyward has accomplished up to this point in his career, and what we can reasonably expect from him next.
Jason Heyward is 19 years old, turns 20 next week, and is currently the #1 Prospect in baseball according to Baseball America. He bench presses over 2,000 LBS, is dating both Jessica Alba and Megan Fox, and recently completed a unified theory of physics. It is a nearly unanimous scouting opinion that Heyward's game is extremely polished for his age. There are no discernible holes in his swing, and his plate discipline is excellent. I recommend John Sickel's analysis of Heyward and Mike Stanton, which most of you have likely read.
For my part, I had the opportunity to watch Heyward up close and personal 3 times in Spring Training this year. His reputation as a 5 tool guy is legit. The only part of his game that did not blow me away was his throwing mechanics, which I found slightly unorthodox. But he certainly generates plus velocity and accuracy, so it's a moot point.
Next, let's cover Heyward's minor league career to date.
One of the knocks on extreme tools guys is that their obvious physical skills sometimes mask general lack of performance (Further reading: Jeff Francoeur). Heyward's career line of .321/.390/.513 shows that he is not just another tools player illusion, he has consistently performed. And it has to be done: let's all just gaze lovingly at his 2009 AA line for a minute. And no, that is not a typo, his OBP right now after 102 plate appearances is FIFTY FREAKING PERCENT! %&$! I think I need a cold shower. Let's move on.
Heyward has played in 212 Professional baseball games, and amassed 897 plate appearances. Has he been seasoned enough to be a contributing MLB player at just 20 years old? Let's take a look at some of the other super hyped prospects from the past 20 years who have made MLB Debut's at a young age, and see how they stack up. Here is Heyward compared to Alex Rodriguez, Albert Pujols & Ken Griffey Jr.
Obviously this list is a bit cherry picked, because the top three are all Hall of Fame caliber players, but Heyward stacks up pretty well based on the minor league performances. Note, Griffey's minor league data was incomplete in the RBI, BB and SO categories.
Heyward has already banked more time in the minors then any of these three, and the stat lines are all fairly comparable. The one category Heyward is behind the pack in is HR. That doesn't concern me too much, as Heyward has played in some pitchers parks, and hits an absolute ton of doubles. Also of note is that Heyward has the highest OBP of this esteemed group. Since OBP is the one stat listed above correlated most highly with winning baseball games, that is just fine with me.
Next is an examination of how these players performed in their first 3 seasons after making the jump.
There is some interesting data here. A-Rod got a couple cups of coffee before taking over the role totally in 1996, but he put up an absolutely monstrous line in his first full year. Pujols, after 1 year of JuCo and 1 year of Minor League ball, came out with an absolute MVP caliber season as a 21 year old. Griffey was slightly above replacement level as a 19 year old, and broke out seriously in his second season.
Before we start drawing any conclusions, I want to repeat this exercise with players who have come up through the Brave's system as comps instead. Included are Brian McCann, Andruw Jones, Chipper Jones, and Eddie Matthews.
Now that we are dealing with some (slightly) more mortal players, we are seeing a little longer development cycle in the minors. Obviously the odd comp here is Eddie Matthews, but I've heard his name tossed around as being a similar player to Heyward so I threw him in there.
Based on the numbers alone, Andruw had the most eye popping minor league career. In 1996, he posted a positively absurd .339/.421/.650 between High A, AA and Triple-AAA, which ultimately culminated in a mid August call up to the bigs. The rest is history, as he had an absolutely torrid post season including 2 home runs in his first 2 at bats in the 1996 World Series.
In terms of HR, Heyward has similar HR per Plate Appearance rates as McCann and Chipper, and lags behind Andruw and Eddie. Once again Heyward is at the top of the tables in OBP, edging out Andruw.
The youngest of this foursome took the longest to really gain traction in the majors. Andruw didn't really post a line worth noticing until his 3rd year, at least from an offensive perspective. Matthews broke out as a 21 year old, McCann broke out at 22 years old, and Chipper at 24 years old (But remember, Chipper missed the whole 1994 season with the broken leg).
ANALYSIS
If anyone has made it this far into the post, now I am going to try to draw some subjective opinions from the above mountain of stats. Please note that I 100% acknowledge that these opinions are from the hip, and not based on any serious methodology besides eye balling the above stats.
Conclusion #1: Heyward's minor league career has been spectacular, and is on par with the minor league career of some of the game's best players. This is no guarantee of future success, but it is clear that his ceiling is MVP and beyond.
Conclusion #2: If Heyward finishes out this year in AA, he will have near 1,000 PA in the minors. Based on minor league careers of some of the leagues best players, and taking into account his high level of polish, I would consider his development cycle in the minor leagues complete. He wont have the seasoning that Chipper, or even McCann got in the minors, but I solidly believe that he can reap no more benefit from anything but the highest level of competition after 2009 is over.
Conclusion #3: It is possible that Heyward could produce in Atlanta tomorrow if we needed, but I think it will take two years to ramp up to the all star numbers that I expect. A 19 year old Andruw Jones enjoyed a 1996 campaign that spanned from High A all the way to MLB World Series. This needs to be taken with a grain of salt, however, as Andruw signed slightly younger then Heyward and had another 100 games of professional baseball under his belt by the time he was called up. And while Andruw was absolutely killer in the 1996 World Series, it wasn't until 1998 that he put up a full season of good offensive numbers in the bigs.
My guess is that Heyward starts 2010 in Atlanta, and posts a solid, but around league average OPS. In 2011, he breaks out and begins his streak of .900+ OPS seasons.
There is no way to reach a definitive conclusion from this kind of speculation, but this does put some level of perspective on where Heyward is in his career path compared to some of the games best players.
Anything I missed? Conclusions I have reached that are 100% wrong? You read this post to your kids as a sedative? Let me know in the comments.
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Neat stuff. I really enjoyed it. I would, however, be interested to see how some guys who were top prospects but utter failures as big leaguers compare.
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by cbwilk on Aug 3, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
really difficult to find a comp to Heyward who failed in the bigs
Most top prospects who bomb are top guys for their physical tools and it’s their strike-zone judgement or contact problems that do them in (Corey Patterson, Austin Kearns, Delmon Young so far, Francoeur so far, etc.). Heyward has neither of those problems. A comp who I’ve heard that hasn’t lived up to the hype is Cliff Floyd, but he was living up to it early in his career and was just derailed by injuries. That’s what makes Heyward so amazing. He’s got all the tools and at such a young age, he’s got the polish.
by was385 on Aug 3, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought about this some while I was writing it
Perusing this list of Baseball America’s top 100 prospects by year is helpful. The first one I thought of was definately Delmon Young, a toolsy guy who just can’t get anything done. But he definately did not have the quality minor league career of Heyward.
I will probably dig through that list and see if there are any beastly minor league careers that ended up flaming out.
by Sid Bream's Moustache on Aug 3, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great article
I expect Heyward to be a potential September call up this year and more than likely will win the starting RF position next year. I think he’s ready for the bigs next year.
by pancanbra on Aug 3, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good job
Call me crazy, but I want to see him hit at least one speed bump in the minor leagues before he sees the end of the tunnel to the big leagues. He’s been tearing up the minors, but he’s yet to encounter really any sort of adversity.
Part of growth is how one reacts towards adversity, and I’d hate for the organization to promote him too rapidly and then he gets to the big leagues and then, runs into something, like an inability to hit a submariner, or susceptibility to high inside fastballs, or something else that could’ve been revealed and subsequently worked on in the minors.
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by royhobbs on Aug 3, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he hit is last year and adjusted afterwards
by yondaime4 on Aug 3, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since OBP is the one stat listed above correlated most highly with winning baseball games, that is just fine with me.
If OBP is so important, why don’t they put it on the scoreboard?
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by Little Lady on Aug 3, 2009 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
No. wOBA is.
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by PWHjort on Aug 6, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heyward’s career line of .321/.390/.513 shows that he is not just another tools player illusion, he has consistently performed
I love this distinction. This is what makes me so comfortable with Heyward, is that he seems to have already developed the skills which serve as the primary obstacle for physical freaks like this guy early in their careers. As refined as they are, I may even disagree with your prediction that his OPS will be about on par with league average early on.
Thanks a lot for the time you put into this, another very informative and enjoyable post. When somebody else geeks out like this, I feel validated in my love for Heyward.
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by VivaLosBravos on Aug 3, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Love it.
Rec’d. One point, though. I always hear baseball people say, “A player needs 2,000 PA’s or 500 IP in MiLB before he’s MLB ready.” Obviously Heyward isn’t in the same class as most players, he’s way WAY far ahead of them. But right at 900 PA’s doesn’t seem like enough. If I were the Braves I’d choose from 2 paths as to how to handle Heyward.
1) If they think he can make an impact down the stretch in 2009 with the big club, call him up in September then start him at AAA in 2010 and call him up on ~July 1, 2010 (this way he’s under team control through 2015 and arbitration eligible after the 2012 season).
2) If they don’t think he can make an impact down the stretch in 2009 with the big club, promote him to AAA in September then start him at AAA in 2010 and call him up on ~June 1, 2010 (for much the same reasons).
This is a guy who has a chance to set records with how much he makes in arbitration. Giving him 4 arb years would be a huge financial handicap.
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by PWHjort on Aug 3, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Eh...
Those arbitrary milestones have been proven wrong so many times, though
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know why he was pulled from the game today?
by blitzerlover on Aug 3, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he struck out in the game
so he must be seriously injured
by was385 on Aug 3, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oblique strain, if you haven't seen by now
Wellman said no big deal, though.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your analysis on Heyward. He would be very proud if he read your article. But one thing that stands out to me is, Heyward doent seem like a HR hitter to me. He reminds me of Jermaine Dye but w/o the power. IT’S obvious he needs more Ab’s (just like the other players have) before he gets called up. I say keep him down there for another year and bring him up 2011 season.
PS Give me Freeman’s stats
by AlRoBraves95 on Aug 3, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you expand his numbers this year to 600 PAs
he would have 27 homers and 44 doubles, that’s very impressive for a 19 year old who still has some physical maturing to do. As he gets a little older, he’ll more than likely add more muscle and develop more loft to his swing, which means that some of those doubles will start to go over the fence. He’s never been viewed as the 40+ homer a year guy, but I think in his prime we’ll consistently see 30-40 homers (most years probably closer to 30), a lot of doubles, and of course a high average and OBP.
by was385 on Aug 3, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giggity Giggity Giggity!
I need to go change my shorts now.
by Sparhawk on Aug 3, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am generally don’t project him to be a 45-50 HR threat like Andruw in his prime. His swing is just a bit more contact then power based. I see his HR output to be on pace with Chipper.
That being said, he is a big dude and I can definately see him packing some muscle on by 23-24.
Either way, I would take his insane OBP with power over being a top HR threat
by Sid Bream's Moustache on Aug 3, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chipper really isn't a bad comp offensively
I haven’t heard him comped to Chipper before, probably because he is white (for some reason people need to comp prospects to a player of their own race), a third baseman, and a switch-hitter, and heyward is none of those things. I don’t know if Heyward will ever develop the on-base abilities that Chipper has, but it’s definitely not out of the question.
by was385 on Aug 3, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That thing about comparing players by color is so true. I really don’t know why people insist on doing that.
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by cbwilk on Aug 4, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Appearance is the first thing you see
And when you are imagining a comparison, you are taking more into account than just numbers. It’s science. But really, race stuff aside, I think a Fred McGriff comp is a good one: 30+ homers, 90+ walks and ~.300 BA every year is probably what Heyward will put up if he stays healthy. Chipper is also a good comp, maybe even better, because he’s an elite hitter and better than McGriff.
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by buzzdeadwax on Aug 4, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about a faster Derrek Lee?
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Aug 4, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he'll get as many steals as Lee had in his prime
but a very good comp that gets tossed out there a lot. I happen to think we’ll see a little more average and power.
by was385 on Aug 4, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think I’ve heard Heyward compared to every lefty-hitting, corner playing, African American slugger to have come up in the last 30+ years. If it’s not McGriff it’s Parker, if it’s not Parker, it’s Strawberry, if it’s not Strawberry it’s Reggie Jackson or a LH Winfield. This list could just keep going too, and it’s laughably ridiculous.
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by timmy3 on Aug 4, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never heard Strawberry or Jackson.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 4, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never said you did...
But I have.
Not every comp has been strictly from a scouting perspective, but in one form or another I’ve heard him compared to all of those guys, and more.
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A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Aug 4, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Buster Olney likes the Straw comparison, for what it's worth.
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Aug 5, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just read that.
I’m intrigued.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 5, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
where’s he gonna put that muscle? dude’s already a beast.
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by Bravely going forward on Aug 4, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is, but
He still looks a little lanky and has room to fill out (scary thought, right?). I figure he’ll be around 10 pounds north of his current weight at some point and he certainly has the frame to carry it. But that’s just my opinion.
by was385 on Aug 4, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's 19.
There aren’t many hitters whose power has developed by that point above the low minors.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 3, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as he is as good as advertised…im happy.
by gobraves3940 on Aug 3, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There have been a lot of young players over the years that were highly touted yet either flamed out entirely or never reached the level of expectation. All of these players, I have no doubt, posessed tremendous physical skills offensively, defensively, or both. This young man quite obviously fits this mold. In my opinion the difference between a player of this caliber becoming a flash in the pan, a star that burns bright but flames out early, or a superstar that shines for career lies directly between the ears of each of these players. I firmly believe it is the mental makeup that ultimately separates the men from the boys among these top prospects and that attribute is what I find the most impresive feature of this 19 year old.
by Mountngrown on Aug 4, 2009 8:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And that attitude is something that has been present in this kid for a good while.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 4, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!!!
He is grounded and humble. He displays a quite confidence and expectation without being cocky or arrogant. He doesn’t take the game for granted even though he is incredibly gifted and talented. He obviously has a strong desire to continue to learn and improve and has coupled that with a solid work ethic. It is for these reasons that I believe he could successfully make the jump to the big leagues right now. That isn’t to say he won’t experience some ups and downs but I feel confident that he has the mental makeup to deal with the adversity that he encounters and come out stronger player and person for it.
by Mountngrown on Aug 4, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome job! Thanks for the post! I cannot wait until he is on the Big League club in the near future.
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by justincredubil02 on Aug 4, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AA vs AAA
Great article. I have a question…and I really don’t mean this as a leading question…but a legit question: What is the differene between AA and AAA pitching?
I was always under the impression that within the last 10 years the best pitching prospects are often in AA and that the stuff you see in AA is as good, if not better, then what you see in AAA. That being said…if you can hit a really good AA fastball you can probably hit a MLB fastball and you would not benefit from seeing any more fastballs in AAA.
However, I was always under the impression that you saw more veteran pitchers in AAA. More pitchers that have learned a thing or two about pitching…have had time in the majors….but lack the pure stuff to be an MLB regular. What that means to me is that you will see guys who throw more change ups…more sliders…more curves…and may be able to throw their mediocre fastball with more accuracy then the 21 year old in AA.
That being said…wouldn’t Heyward benefit from seeing at least SOME time in AAA? I would think that right now he is seeing, reacting, and killing the ball. I would rather see him get some ABs against more veteran “crafty” type pitchers and see how he fairs. I have a feeling that with pitching at the A and AA level it is not so much about scouting and identifying the weakness of the hitter, as it is developing your pitcher and having him execute on his strengths. Therefore with someone like JH’s talent…are we going to see the holes in his swing yet? I would argue no…he is simply that good of a hitter that a fastball and questionable offspeed pitch at AA is going to be esay. The thing that would show the holes-location…changing of speeds…breaking stuff away etc he really hasn’t seen yet. However, he will at least get a taste of that at AAA.
So my response would be NO-He may not be done with his MiLeague “seasoning yet.” I fear that the risk of him coming to ATL straight from AA is greater then the reward. I don’t have a problem with him getting to ATL at the end of this year-but if that is the plan move him to AAA now and let him get 75-100 ABs at AAA THEN make the call.
by calbers on Aug 4, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
+1
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by Jurrjens' Surgeons on Aug 4, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 Front page Gondee Posts and an AJC post
Since posting this.
I think I got in on this just in time for the Heyward Mania zeitgeist
by Sid Bream's Moustache on Aug 5, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He is not ready.
Don’t take a chance on ruining him. Remember how the Togers ruined Maybin? Or how we ruined Francoeur?
by JurrjensFan on Aug 5, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
...
Because those two players were just as good as Heyward…except they always struck out tons more and didn’t ever walk as much.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 5, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How, exactly, did we ruin Francoeur? Aside from his brief rookie stint at Danville, he wasn’t exactly tearing up the minor leagues. He was putting up solid production, but he certainly wasn’t having outstanding years like Heyward.
Albert Pujols played only 133 games in the minors (544 PAs). Did the Cardinals ruin him by playing him at age 21?
by Bronn on Aug 5, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the idea is Francouer was ruined because we didn’t let him stay in the minors and learn the definition and practice of plate discipline. His nbrs weren’t great but his talent and his tools were certainly there… He has turned into a below avg player with his skill set that disappointing… Did we ruin him or did his unwillingness to make himself better ruin him… I don’t know the answer but i certainly think the Braves have to be on the hook at least partially for him not turning into a productive major leaguer
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Aug 6, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I call bs
I never agreed with the philosophy that a club could ‘ruin’ a player. Sure you might break their confidence if you bring them up too soon and they struggle. But he had success in his first few years building confidence. What he refused to change/work on later was his own blocks, nothing done by the organization.
I mean seriously how can his falling off in any way be blamed on the Atl org? Because he lacked plate discipline? And leaving him at a different level would make him realize that he needed to learn plate discipline? Why can’t he work on learning it at any level? It only hurts the team while he’s learning it, not himself.
You could claim that after 15 years Smoltz couldn’t throw the heat and if he hadn’t ‘changed’ his game to accommodate then it would have been the organization’s fault for not teaching him early how to adjust if he couldn’t throw a fastball to beat hitters anymore. Pure BS.
by tomahawkin108 on Aug 6, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his talent and his tools were certainly there
Those things are still there. We didn’t ruin those by calling him up. The problem is that he’s the same hitter now that he was then-he doesn’t have any patience, doesn’t walk enough. He had that problem in the minor leagues, and he still hasn’t developed any kind of pitch recognition since his call-up. It’s not like there’s some mystery, here; everyone knows what his problem is, and he still hasn’t fixed it.
by Bronn on Aug 6, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn’t say the tools aren’t there now and I know what the problem is. I am arguing that the Braves should have done a better job of helping him overcome that deficiency. And like I said.. its certainly not all on the shoulders of the organization, but the fact is its their job to get the most out of their investment and they didnt do that. It’s probably mostly FYF’s fault… but the organization must share the blame.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Aug 6, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed, the organization is partially responsible for his failure. There definitely should have a voice in his ear telling him to take more pitches, curb that overaggressive approach, and then demoting him (seriously, instead of for 3 days) when it became clear what his problem as a hitter was. But he certainly wasn’t ruined by being called up too early. The man is still in the major leagues and has yet to make his adjustment, so blaming his lack of development on the fact that was called up at age 21 is silly.
Brian McCann made the jump earlier in the same year, younger, and with fewer minor league at bats. It has had no detrimental effect on his development as a player.
by Bronn on Aug 6, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BABIP
In another thread, someone pointed out that Heyward’s BABIP is a ridiculous .430 or something right now, indicating that he’s likely been very lucky during this streak.
Obviously that always plays some role when a player is THIS much on fire, but I’m thinking he may really come back down to earth if left and/or be playing above his true level right now.
Thougths?
by godawgs on Aug 6, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BABIP is a function of LD%
Every report I read suggests he’s constantly spraying line drives all over the field. I don’t think it’s a bloop single here, seeing eye grounder there type thing. He’s just a man among boys.
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by PWHjort on Aug 6, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
His slugging % is too high for me to worry about that BABIP. He is hitting line drives, and power drives, not blooping singles.
That said, I agree he is not a .420 hitter right now. Maybe a lowly .380 hitter.
by Sid Bream's Moustache on Aug 6, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so we should demote him?
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Aug 6, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he’s probably getting a bit lucky. He’s most likely not really a .420 hitting at AA.
But even if you cut his BABIP down 100 points, he’s still batting over .330. It’s not like a ton of luck is making him look like a good hitter, he definitely IS a good hitter, and a bit of luck is making him appear ungodly.
by Bronn on Aug 6, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're hitting the living piss out of the ball.
You’re BABIP is going to be high.
A third of his batted balls are line drives. So obviously his BABIP is going to be high.
He may be enjoying some luck, but who cares? He’s hitting the god forsaken piss out of the ball, if this is how he “adjusts” to AA, than one wouldn’t expect him to regress under normal circumstances. IMO, if left at Double-A for the rest of the year, he’ll continue to keep a line right around .400/.500/.700 there.
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A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Aug 7, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where do you get batted ball statistics for minor leaguers?
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by VivaLosBravos on Aug 7, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minorleaguesplits.com
It’s possibly the coolest stat site on the web
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Aug 7, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They aren’t always one hundred percent accurate and sometimes they aren’t quite up to date, but it’s basically just someones little side project.
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Aug 7, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Aug 9, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the responses, that makes sense. Just FYI, you guys might enjoy this analysis of what drives BABIP beyond just line drives. How this applies to Heyward, I’m not sure.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/batters-and-babip/
by godawgs on Aug 7, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly expect this to say, in big bold letters “He’s GOOD”
by yondaime4 on Aug 8, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One person I would have liked to see comped in the post would have been Freeman. It wouldn’t have really helped to see a future comparison. One thing it would have done would have showed how a “truly good” prospect was handling the same pitchers, park conditions, coaching, and weather/situations.
by Rocky1013 on Aug 10, 2009 7:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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