The Milwaukee Brewers, desperate for starting pitching help, recently placed a call to Atlanta about Javier Vazquez, a source told ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick.
But it doesn't appear the two sides have a match unless Milwaukee GM Doug Melvin is willing to trade one of his two "untouchables'' -- prospects Mat Gamel or Alcides Escobar -- as part of a package for Vazquez.
Brewers inquire on Braves' Javier Vazquez
I will also accept Ryan Braun. But I have now completely soured on Corey Hart.
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Javy for Alcides and Hart. I dont think thats likely, but then we would have a replacement in case Escobar is dealt.
by esadb on Jul 6, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I always thought Gamel for Vazquez and maybe a prospect was a good fit. Vazquez is pitching like an ace right now and it would honestly make both teams a lot better. I agree we should stay away from Corey Hart.
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by garriscp on Jul 6, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be pretty awesome if we could turn Flowers, Lillibridge, Gilmore and Rodriguez into half a season of an ace starting pitcher, 6 years of Mat Gamel, and a potential LOOGY.
http://www.whensidslid.com
by garriscp on Jul 6, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do we need another list of our lefty pitching depth?
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Jul 6, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean Boone
http://www.whensidslid.com
by garriscp on Jul 6, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brewers would have to pony up BIG TIME for Vazquez. He’s basically been the 2nd best starter in the NL this year (behind Lincecum)
by beeswax on Jul 6, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe fourth
behind Cain, Haren, and Lincecum.
by esadb on Jul 6, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fifth.
You forgot that Hanson kid. ; )
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Jul 6, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts on the Brewers rumors
1. Corey Hart better not be the centerpiece of their package.
2. We better not deal Vaz if we’re planning on contending, because we’d be replacing him with Todd Redmond at present.
3. Just say no to Hart.
4. I like that this gives us some options if things continue to go sour on ‘09. But I probably don’t make this deal unless we’re getting one of those guys the Brewers claim are off-limits. Alcides would allow us to deal our Escobar for a nice haul of prospects once he hit his arb years.
5. A year and a half of Vaz is worth damn near as much as a year and a half of Teixiera was, so I’m looking for a big-time prospect package if we’re moving him this month.
Keep in mind we gave up a top 30 prospect hitter in Tyler Flowers to get Vazquez, and his value has only gone up since we got him. Flowers is on the same level of prospect as Gamel, because of how well he’s handled AA this year.
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Jul 6, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Scratch that...
4:35pm: Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel spoke with Brewers GM Doug Melvin and heard that the two teams are not discussing a trade for Vazquez.
by Dandrews on Jul 6, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we end up trading vasquez
I hope its not to the brewers, we need major league talent for him at this point in the season and we just dont match up well with them and please dont say corey hart+prospects because he is a terrible centerpice for a deal for vasquez.
by bravesguy95 on Jul 6, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LMFAO
Check the AJC’s poll of the day.
It can also be found here:
http://www.whensidslid.com/
What a tough question!
2009 Atlanta Braves Motto: We ♥ leaving RISP.
by mvhsbball on Jul 6, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We should call Texas
Cruz, Feliz, Martin Perez for Vazquez.
by Charmin519 on Jul 6, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They have the depth in the OF and pitching prospects to do that without concern.
by Charmin519 on Jul 6, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are sold on Cruz? I always worry about guys from Texas. Well except Tex, who is an absolute stud.
2009 Atlanta Braves Motto: We ♥ leaving RISP.
by mvhsbball on Jul 6, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta check the numbers…
Nelson Cruz’s career road splits: .227/.282/.428
No thank you.
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Jul 6, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point exactly.
Outside of Kinsler and Hamilton, i’d pass on all of the Rangers guys.
2009 Atlanta Braves Motto: We ♥ leaving RISP.
by mvhsbball on Jul 6, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pass on Hamilton too. His body is never going to forgive him. He’ll never put together a full season.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Jul 6, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why I also included two pretty straight pitching prospects in there. I don’t think cruz is a 40+ HR guy but he is having a breakout year and could easily contribute a .260 BA with 25+ HR. Something no one in our OF will do this year.
That trade would address the OF for this year and give us options next year with Cruz, McClouth, Schafer, Diaz, and Heyward.
We would also have a damn also rotation with Hudson, Lowe, JJ, Hanson, Kawakami, and Feliz just waiting for Lowe to break his hip or something. It’s a legit trade that would make our team better now and in the future.
by Charmin519 on Jul 6, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should call Texas
And ask for Neftali Feliz, Elvis Andrus, and Jarrod Saltalamacchia.
by Bronn on Jul 6, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering he is already at 20 home runs, I’m not sure 5 would really help that much
by acie4mvp on Jul 6, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying his numbers are a product of his current stadium
A full season of Atlanta would be 25. So I’m assuming you could add another 12 if he were traded to us by the all star break.
by Charmin519 on Jul 8, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saw Martin Perez throw the other day. Very nice young pitcher.
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by cbwilk on Jul 6, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Texas is hurting for money big time. No way they are taking on salary. Plus Javy would have to waive his NTC since Texas in the AL West
http://www.whensidslid.com
by garriscp on Jul 6, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah and why would he waive it to pitch in Texas, a terrible pitcher’s park?
by acie4mvp on Jul 6, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about Andrus, Feliz, Andruw, and Salty for Yesco and Vasquez!?
Get it done, Wren!!
by get swoll yunel on Jul 6, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone help me out
I can’t find that much on Mat Gamel, and some of you guys are talking about having him for 6 years if we traded for him. All i can find is something about him getting a ticket for getting hit on a bike.
He hasnt done anything with the Brewers this year. A .256 avg with 2 HRs and 12 RBIs? I must be missing something here if he’s the centerpiece of a deal for Javy.
2009 Atlanta Braves Motto: We ♥ leaving RISP.
by mvhsbball on Jul 6, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heard he is lousy with the glove as well plus he's a 3B. Where are we gonna put him?
by Charmin519 on Jul 6, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s destined to be a DH, because he’s pretty abysmal wherever he goes. Think Adam Dunn defense.
by bigjoe on Jul 6, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check those minor league numbers.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=gamel-001mat
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Jul 6, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So does he sit on the bench as Chipper's future replacement for 3 years?
I get your point and he’s not untouchable for a reason.
by Charmin519 on Jul 6, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i not sure. thats why i was surprised to see his name come up and hadnt even thought about him.
2009 Atlanta Braves Motto: We ♥ leaving RISP.
by mvhsbball on Jul 6, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just don’t scroll down to the fielding. 146 errors in 437 games
by bigjoe on Jul 6, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gamel is an absolute hitter. He probably won’t hit for much power, but he’s going to get a ton of hits. Ideally, he’d be a great second baseman, but he’s a butcher with the glove. His best position would be DH, but he’d probably be decent enough in LF, particularly if he does happen to develop power.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
by cbwilk on Jul 6, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think theres a very good chance he’s decent in LF. I’ve read the vast majority of his errors are throwing and not mobility related. Hard to know until he spends some time in the OF though.
http://www.whensidslid.com
by garriscp on Jul 6, 2009 6:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Vazquez to Brewers for Alcides and Hart
then Yunel to Sox for Bucholtz and (random mid level prospect)
by esadb on Jul 6, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
THANK PUJOLS!!!
I am glad this was not true. Unless the name “Braun” is included in a deal with the Brew-crew, count me against dealing Javy.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 6, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely prospects would be nice but i big bat would be better
by scottsharp76 on Jul 6, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Personally, i just dont think this team can compete without destroying the beloved farm system. i think it would be a good idea to sell the guys that arent locked up long-term, like Javy, Gonzo, and Soriano (I would rather keep one reliever and try to resign him in the OS). I know Vazquez is signed through next year, but we wont need him as badly with Hudson back and presumably healthy, and he and Gonzo could bring in quite a haul of nice prospects. I know this team has potential but it seems like I have seen nothing to show me they are getting it together, sure we swept Philly, but then lost a series the Washington fucking Natinals. As much as I would like to trade for someone like Cruz, Dye, etc., I just dont think it would be wise by the way this team has been playing. It would take one hell of a player to turn this team around. I mean FUGA, Diaz, Martin, Escobar are all hot right now, yet we’ve lost three in a row. I just dont know what it is about this team…
by esadb on Jul 6, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey maybe Braun is an option:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4308312
by acie4mvp on Jul 6, 2009 11:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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