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Braves close to acquiring Adam LaRoche

The latest rumor du jour has the Atlanta Braves on a short list to re-acquire their old first baseman, Adam LaRoche. This was first reported on Twitter by Jon Heyman of SI.com and confirmed by multiple sources, including the Braves beat writer Mark Bowman. LaRoche is owed around $3 million by the Red Sox after they acquired him from the Pirates last week. With the acquisition today of Victor Martinez, LaRoche becomes expendible to the Red Sox.

On the surface it makes little sense other than the fact that we like reunions. LaRoche would be a power upgrade over Casey Kotchman at first base, but he is making just under $3 mil for the entire year and is far cheaper than LaRoche would be. They're also both OPS-ing about the same this year.

The only way I can see the Braves biting is if they feel this would strengthen their bench to have one of those guys sitting half the time. Neither one can play the outfield. So, again, this rumor sort of baffles me as to the Braves actual interest. Why waste $3 mil on LaRoche for the rest of the season when you have a perfectly good and affordable first baseman (who hasn't made an error in a year).

Unless the Red Sox just want to give him away for free, or give him to us if we take the salary. That's the only way I can see us getting him.

Stay tuned.

[UPDATE: 3:40pm]

Some people say it's a done deal, including a Boston station, NESN. But Braves.com's Mark Bowman says not so fast:

If Braves complete deal for LaRoche and it appears they're very close to doing so, Kotchman won't necessarily be included in three-way trade

Interesting. The other reports we've heard have Casey Kotchman going to Boston, but maybe this "three-way" would have him going elsewhere, like Cleveland.

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This move makes no sense. If we traded Kotchman for him as rumored the Red Sox would still have to many 1b.

by blitzerlover on Jul 31, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

i was wondering what they'd do with Adam

i didnt like Adam much when he was here before, but getting him back? well maybe means we’re trading Kotch for someone else? who knows 30 something mins left until the deadline

by bravesfan1047 on Jul 31, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

From a purely baseball standpoint (he seems like a good enough guy otherwise), LaDouche is probably my least favorite Brave of all time. He can really ground into an inning killing double play on a level few have ever touched. I really hope this isn’t happening. I don’t want to have to root for a Braves player to strike out again when he comes up with a runner on base.

by Sir Stealth on Jul 31, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

LaDouche

Seriously though, this would suck.

by Sir Stealth on Jul 31, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

im just lost….i keep waiting for something else to happen no way it was a clean swap

by ottie on Jul 31, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

We better be getting a prospect

by blitzerlover on Jul 31, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Freeman in ’10 now?

Well at least we have our RH bat… Not sure this was a good idea but Wren must know what he is doing.

by bbxxj on Jul 31, 2009 3:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Laroche is LH as well…we didnt improve at all in this deal… it looks really bad right now

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 31, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow didn’t see this one coming. Just doesn’t make much since with Kotchman’s contract not ending after this year and the fact that Freeman probably will not be ready to play for us at the beginning of next year.

"There are only two seasons -- winter and Baseball"

by el crime dog on Jul 31, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Kotch vs. LaRoche

Kotch is arbitration eligible at the end of the year and would likely get a raise whereas LaRoche is a FA and might be a Type B which we would get a supplemental draft pick for.

by secondbsmn on Jul 31, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

FW is smarting than this im just gonna wait for the other shoe to drop there is more to this

by ottie on Jul 31, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

KOTCHMAN

noooo!! Just when he started getting hot! He was important in our lineup!

by WeStillHaveBobby on Jul 31, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

This deal makes no sense unless

A. the Sox are kicking in some money
B. the Braves are getting an arm in return as well for the BP…

by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 31, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Why don't we

try to bring back Andruw AND Smoltz while we are at it! I think we should finally sign Glavine too..that would be all we need there!

by WeStillHaveBobby on Jul 31, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I like that one blitz..maybe we could get him for Prado straight up! lol

by WeStillHaveBobby on Jul 31, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is he under contract with anyone? I thought he was out of baseball

by blitzerlover on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it’s really just Kotchman for Laroche, I kind of like it. Laroche is a more powerful hitter than Casey and is notorious for playing better in the 2nd half. Next year Prado can play 1B until Freeman is ready.

by redwards95 on Jul 31, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Laroche may have more power

but Kotch has him in every other measurable category

by Cracker! on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just heard that Julio Franco is thinking about coming out of retirement to platoon 1B again

by award6 on Jul 31, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Green

"Ohhhh Shit."-Bobby Cox, 3/28/09

by 10-4 on Jul 31, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

IM DONE!

I think ill just turn the TV and computer off for 15 minutes. Ah, its crazy.

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously

I’m going to have a heart attack

by Yakker on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

and even tho i dont wanna keep getting new updates every 13 seconds, deep down i know i’d turn the tv back on in about 2 seconds after i shut it off.

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it was going to be kotchman for laroche, I was about to go get my pitchfork and torch

by bravesguy95 on Jul 31, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

seriously

i doubt Frank Wren would wanna F himself like that. He has a good thing going right now,,

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kimbrel???

anyone know stuff?

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

you mean our kid in A ball?

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone said he was involved.

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

AA now

coincidentally

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

From other thread

XM radio reporting–Votto to Braves for LaRoche/Schafer! Great deal Wren!

by Dandrews on Jul 31, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Shut the fuck up? No way. I would cry my eyes out for years.

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?????

Don’t fuck with me right now, I’m vulnerable

by Yakker on Jul 31, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dandrews

Are you serious? Or are you just tickleing our balls a little bit?

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

+4732958072349805723

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

WTF IS GOING ON HERE????

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

rosterbation

I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.

by jjb5574 on Jul 31, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joey Fucking Votto

that’s what

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats exactly what im gonna start calln ghim

because he is a BAMF

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Laroche always does well in the 2nd half. We better still get another piece in this deal.

by Chesterhighwater on Jul 31, 2009 3:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

The game is going to be a let down after reading all your posts this afternoon.

"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich

by NCChopper on Jul 31, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

You guys are fun to watch.

by l0stnumber on Jul 31, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

BS anonymous reports

KJ, Church, BJones, and Rohbough for Hunter Pence.

by Bronn on Jul 31, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

me too

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shit

2:49pm: Danny Knobler of CBSSports says LaRoche will be traded for Kotchman.

by Dandrews on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

fuck that.

There’s way more to this story

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

MLBTV: Laroche for Kochman.

"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich

by NCChopper on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

They are saying most “curious” deal of the day because Boston doesn’t need a 1B.
I think the other shoe hasn’t dropped yet.

"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich

by NCChopper on Jul 31, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Votta is making $475,000 this year, no way. We don’t have the money to pay for players that aren’t going to be playing for us this year…

by michaelcooksey on Jul 31, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

its confirmed that its a Casey for Adam swap… mlb rumors

by bravesfan1047 on Jul 31, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Danny Knobler also said we had a deal for Jake Peavy last December.

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1000

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Me too

I just don’t get why.

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

in the next 7 minutes?

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 31, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just because the media doesn't know

Doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Usually GMs set these flips up in advance

by Yakker on Jul 31, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

everyone is so confused right now. FUCK!

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

/pukes

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh man

Barbaro is called up to play 1B tonight.

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I just said yes out loud for joey fucking votto please tell me this wasn’t a joke. Please!

by Chesterhighwater on Jul 31, 2009 3:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Who plays 1B next year? Sigh.

by l0stnumber on Jul 31, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Who cares? Good attitude. Freeman won’t be ready.

by l0stnumber on Jul 31, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate whoever started that shit.

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, is that dead?

Fuck. I was holding out hope that Wren didn’t just completely get bent over.

How the fuck can Theo Epstein still be ripping people off? Shouldn’t people see him coming by now?

by Yakker on Jul 31, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

um completely inappropriate u ignorant ass

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 31, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, I know from past posts you’re just tryin’ to be cool about it and everything, but you could really stand to to reign those comments in a lil’ bit, just lettin’ you know – as you can see not everybody gets the joke.

by Sir Stealth on Jul 31, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOW Really????

Super 1B platoon? Our whole team is a platoon!!!

by Dandrews on Jul 31, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

No!

You can’t platoon pitchers!

by BravesRaleigh on Jul 31, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy shit…Wren, this had BETTER work out!

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

We officially now have

One of the bottom 5 defenses, statistically, in the MLB btw. Behind maybe the best pitching staff.

by Sid Bream's Moustache on Jul 31, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

wow..,

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which isn't really fair

Because the pitching staff has already had to carry a disproportionate load.

But I’m just an armchair GM. Let’s assume FW sees more.

by Sid Bream's Moustache on Jul 31, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

And at least one extreme groundaball starter

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sonuva Bitch

Im not feeling so well today. We did absolutely NOTHING to help ourselves today.

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I think there is more to follow here…Wren is too smart to just do Kotch for Laroche straight up.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

we actually hurt ourselves

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

stop pissing me off.

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

GTFO

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

have a little faith yall

Frank Wren has been AMAZING this year and has got the best out of every trade… there has to be more, but i got 3:57 better happen quick

by bravesfan1047 on Jul 31, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

if there is more

it already happened but hasn’t been reported.

by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 31, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

god damnit. ugh.

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only reason I can think of for this

Is that having Chipper’s buddy back might help his slump a bit.

?

by Sid Bream's Moustache on Jul 31, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

if that's the case

we need to get the team a babysitter and a pacifier

by Cracker! on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLBTV says Kochman was being shopped.
The curious factor is why Boston would want him.

"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich

by NCChopper on Jul 31, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

or why we'd shop him

for someone with less value and not try to improve the bullpen

by Cracker! on Jul 31, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ortiz?

Is there something going on w/ Ortiz? If he gets hit w/ a 50-gamer, they slot V-Mart at DH and let Kotch handle 1B…

by Yakker on Jul 31, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly why I believe there’s something we don’t know yet.

"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich

by NCChopper on Jul 31, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with justin

there HAS to be more to this trade…anyone in their right mind knows that this is not a fair deal

by bravesguy95 on Jul 31, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

pretty much

(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 31, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Boston

has too many corner infielders

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barbaro plays first next year through deadline, then traded to an AL team and Freeman is called up?

just trying to think how this made sense to FW

by camiller on Jul 31, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Shit Shit Shit

Shit
Shit
Shit
Shit
Shit
Shit
Shit
Shit
:(

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

This cannot be the deal

I don’t know why we would do it, and it doesn’t make much more sense from Boston’s side, either.

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

NONONONONO

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

THIS IS OFFICIALLY THE WORST DEADLINE EVER

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

FUCK

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

MY VOTE WOULD GO DOWN

now in the weekly poll!! I JUST DON"T GET THIS!!

by WeStillHaveBobby on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

you’re joking right?

by RaffyGonzo on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d rather have the 1B combo of Garko and Ishikawa (SF)

by RaffyGonzo on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you're a 1B......

that ’s a very big part of it.

by Dandrews on Jul 31, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but chicks only dig the long-ball.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

and…nevermind, that’s too easy. ;-)

"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich

by NCChopper on Jul 31, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

... except defensively

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes defensively we will be ….not good

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 31, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

UZR/150

04: -4.9
05: -18.3
06: -3.3
07: 6.7 (only year he is above average)
08: -8.1
09: -3.4 (and the season isnt over meanign this nbr will get bigger)

so id say he’s not good

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 31, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

so he’s not bad, or good.

Do you mean below average? because below average is worse than Gold Glove Caliber

Headlining the Campaign for the return of Ryan Langerhans! MVP 2011!

by RichmondBraves on Jul 31, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

um…not good = bad.

you said he wasnt bad. He isn’t even average, meaning that the majority of MLB 1B are better than he is…he is bad.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

And not good

at the same time…..oooooooooo

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

But....

do we really want that many platoons going in our lineup? No

by BravesRaleigh on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

So

Shanks is reporting Kotchman was a butthole in the club house

by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

haha. everybody already knew that

(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

I didn’t… : \

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I call bullshit

Everything I’ve heard says he is quiet and well mannered!

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny how these reports only surface AFTER a player has departed…

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kotch was kind of a bitch

The couple of times I saw him in spring training

But who cares?

by Sid Bream's Moustache on Jul 31, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shanks is a dumbass. I should know, i listen to him and his idiot friend Russ every day.

"Ohhhh Shit."-Bobby Cox, 3/28/09

by 10-4 on Jul 31, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

LaRoche is batting like .225 against lefties...

We could have just kept Francouer and put him on 1st

"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo

by Matt_Grbac on Jul 31, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

except then u negate his only true plus asset… his arm

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 31, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

FISH GOT NICK JOHNSON

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

gets worse and worse

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

just saw that

see? We don’t know if this is the whole story yet.

by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 31, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

STOP IT!

I can’t take more than one piece of devastating news at a time!

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s the plus side of being a Jew, I can

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, consider me pissed. lets not get destroyed by the Dodgers tonight.

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck

is this what it feels like to be a Cubs fan?

by Yakker on Jul 31, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

IM SURE

being a Pirate fan is much, much worse.

by WeStillHaveBobby on Jul 31, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

How did Wren just get talked into taking an older, more expensive 1B?

by Yakker on Jul 31, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kotch

was doing just fine for us too.

by WeStillHaveBobby on Jul 31, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Throw Norton in somewhere goddamnit!!!

(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 31, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Lol, for like a rookie league backup catcher

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the least they could do, really.

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO I DON"T LIKE LADOUCHE

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

hmm

need the dust to settle.

there are rumors of us trading Gonzo

others of us trading Javy as well.

by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

PLEASE

let there not be any truth to that!!

by WeStillHaveBobby on Jul 31, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point

who cares? I wouldn’t be shocked if we traded Javy for Eric Chavez. None of this makes any sense

by Yakker on Jul 31, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because, you know, we need “power”

by Yakker on Jul 31, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds to me like

Wren wanted to just get a deal done for the hell of it..

by WeStillHaveBobby on Jul 31, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah

looks like a bobby move.

by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

No thanks

I’m already getting fucked.

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

FW showing that the good moves

were just lucky breaks. This deal is just fucking ignorant.

by Cracker! on Jul 31, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahh yes not trading the farm for Peavy, acquiring Vazquez, dumping FYF, trading for McLouth… those are all negated because he made one questionable move… 4 good deals are erased by one questionable deal… ya that makes sense

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 31, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

But see

The Yanks saving FW from himself with the Burnett deal.

by Yakker on Jul 31, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

dont forget that scrub we got in return for Edgar….what was his name again? Jrrgerngens?

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we wanted a 1B with shitty defense

Why didn’t we go for the one that gets on base and comes with his old team paying the bills?

by Sid Bream's Moustache on Jul 31, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

I hate this day. Alot.

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

+1mil

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

DUST NEEDS TO SETTLE NOW. I need facts

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

fml
a swap of smooth-fielding first basemen

Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.

by VivaLosBravos on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

He also blew the free agency line. Awesome work as usual, DOB.

by Yakker on Jul 31, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I’m going to be the extreme optimist… we all know we were upset with Wren when he didn’t make those half dozen deals in the off season we wanted him to at the time. And so far it all worked out for the best. Maybe this situation will be similar?

hahaha, that’s complete BS.

by Gage23 on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

The Reason

The BoSox picked up Kotchman because they know how to get talent for a position player unlike Wren.

by 13thieves on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

STFU and GTFO

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet

the BoSox are laughing their asses off right now for what they just pulled off. shit.

by WeStillHaveBobby on Jul 31, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also.

Braves were said to be non tendering Kotch at the end of the year. Looks like a Bobby move.

Also someone is saying that Angels got Halladay

by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

wasn’t his contract option-less this coming year? He didn’t have to be tendered, right?

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

im not sure how it works just reporting what im reading

by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn, yet another thread on the main page about this?

Hard to keep up.

"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich

by NCChopper on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

to hell with the size

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, we’ve seen it several times now.

"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich

by NCChopper on Jul 31, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats how much i hate this deal

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG

We just got raped on this deal!!! dammnit Wren!!

by WeStillHaveBobby on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO STAYING PAT FW? WTF?

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

me too

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think everyone is overreacting.

The Braves obviously didn’t like Kotchman at first base. We are a weak offensive team, highlighted by our complete lack of power at the PRIME power position. Wren was not going to let Kotchman be our starting 1B next year, so he made a move now to go for it this year. We will deal with our 1B for next year in the offseason.

Alright, let it rip. Here come the insults!!!

by Dandrews on Jul 31, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Yunel is the Queen of Hearts

by GoBravesNY on Jul 31, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know you’re pissed. I empathize with you.
But, these big ass graphics slow the threads way down when people refresh and/or reload the page.

Just a thought to be considerate of those who may not have blazing fast speed for connections.

"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich

by NCChopper on Jul 31, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

All of that is true, except for the parts that aren’t…which is most of your post.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

the parts about us being a weak offensive team…it just isnt true. look at the stats. I have posted them so much ovver the past week, that if I do it again, I will have to kill someone too.

Look up our season ranks in OBP, OPS, SLG and Avg, then remember that most of those numbers were with a recovering Anderson, hurt Kelly, idiot frenchman and young schafer.

Then look at our offensive ranks over the past month – not just a hot streak, but an entire month! We are first in the NL in SLG, OPS and OPB.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I respect those points.

I just think Kotchman’s production at 1B is unacceptable at the major league level and we are banking on a huge 2H Laroche performance.

LaRoche has average 25 hrs the last 3 years while hitting significantly better in the 2nd half of the season. Kotchmann has a career high of 12 home runs.

by Dandrews on Jul 31, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is way more to being a baseball player than hitting HRs.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know, I agree with you. I also think we should’ve gotten more in return for this deal. But maybe LaRoche can be a bit of a spark in our offense. We’ll just have to see how it plays out. I’m not happy about the clean swap, but who knows what will happen.

by Gage23 on Jul 31, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you are right.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't love this trade....

I just can see Wren’s logic. I hope Wren’s right.

by Dandrews on Jul 31, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree...

but a 1B has to have power. The Angels didn’t like him for their 1B, the Braves didn’t like him, and now he is a back-up in Boston. Why don’t any major league teams like him then?

by Dandrews on Jul 31, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

The angels did like him. But they liked the best 1B in the game a little bit better.

We liked him too…that is why we insisted that the angels give him to us in exchange for the best 1B in the game.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

2nd best 1b in teh game… Pujols.. hes better than Jesus (because Jesus can’t hit a curveball… Joe-boo can)

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Jul 31, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, yes. Touche’ senor.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately

I think this might have hurt us more than anything..but only time will tell I guess.

by WeStillHaveBobby on Jul 31, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever

Im pissed. F the trade deadline. we haven’t had a good one since we got Tex, and that wasn’t that great of a deal.

LETS TRY TO NOT GET BLASTED TONIGHT.

7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney

REMEMBER THAT BOYS.

by Scott Coleman on Jul 31, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

So everyone

From a lot of the mini reports im reading. It seems as though Kotchman wasn’t well received in the club house and this is a Bobby inspired move.

From this we also get to see LaRoche work at his potential. He was in a horrible lineup and now he will prob be sandwiched between Chip and Mac so some better pitches for him hopefully.

by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Is it fair to say that a 30-something year old player (or almost 30, I can’t remember) has potential???

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes.

When any player is in a lineup thats not really up to league average he does. Im not saying he has the potential to go past the marks he has already reached but he could def end with 25 HR’s and an increase all around in his numbers.

by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Per DOB

Red Sox are also giving Braves some cash to help offset difference in remaining salary

I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.

by jjb5574 on Jul 31, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

This

just makes the day so much better now.

by WeStillHaveBobby on Jul 31, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh

still want a reliever!!! lol

by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barbaro plays first next year through deadline, then traded to an AL team and Freeman is called up? Doubt he’ll be ready though…

just trying to think how this made sense to FW, the money from Boston certainly makes it better

by camiller on Jul 31, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe Bobby will extend LaRoche

seems like he’s the one making decisions.

by Yakker on Jul 31, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wouldnt mind it actually.

Extending LaRoche for a year or so so we dont have to rush Freeman.

by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone figure out why Boston would want Kotch?

by Gage23 on Jul 31, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

LaRoche is not even close to as good as Kotchman

Kotchman has more walks then K’s……plus he was hitting .320 with 4 homers in July. He is very plate disciplined and showed great defense. LaRoche does have more power but that doesnt always relate to more runs scored. This makes no sense.

"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo

by Matt_Grbac on Jul 31, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Stats

Kotchman is hitting .282 with six homers and 41 RBIs and hasn’t committed an error with the Braves.

LaRoche is batting .248 with 13 homers and 43 RBIs for Pittsburgh and Boston.

"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo

by Matt_Grbac on Jul 31, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get outta here with that! Nobody cares about stats around here!

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody asked you

"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo

by Matt_Grbac on Jul 31, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude

I was being sarcastic. I am on your side here!

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh ok....sorry

"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo

by Matt_Grbac on Jul 31, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

nobody has asked anybody

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

1H / 2H Laroche Splits (over a 3 year average)

2006-2008

Pre All-Star
.247 .326 .449

Post All-Star
.374 .578 .952

by Dandrews on Jul 31, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry Messed that up.....

Pre – .247 .326 .449 .775
Post – .314 .374 .578 .952

by Dandrews on Jul 31, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s dramatic.

by Gage23 on Jul 31, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh...

I just got the email notification from mlb.com…I guess that is as official as it gets.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

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