Indians expected to trade Victor Martinez
by AlRoBraves95 on Jul 29, 2009 4:55 PM EDT
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Add Randy Gress, Jeff Bennett, and James Parr and it is a deal.
hindsight is 20-13 just like Ted William actual vision- ken tremendous
by heapofoatmeal on Jul 29, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there no way we can get V-Mart and keep Gress?
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 29, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa, if we're giving up Gress, we need to get something extra in return
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
by buzzdeadwax on Jul 29, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think theyd throw in Laporta??? Or maybe they would flip us carassco????????
by esadb on Jul 29, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, no, no Cliff Lee and V Mart for Gress, Bennett, JoJo, Marek, Parr, KJ, and Mark Wohlers.
hindsight is 20-13 just like Ted William actual vision- ken tremendous
by heapofoatmeal on Jul 29, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This might be a good time to unload Scott Thorman, too.
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 29, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Charles Thomas has hit everywhere he's been in the majors except Oakland.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 29, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A switch hitting first baseman that we won’t resign you say? I know just the package Casey Kotchman and Stephen Marek. I mean it work before.
by someguy917 on Jul 29, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
worked* geez it has not been my day on keyboard.
by someguy917 on Jul 29, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love V-Mart
McLouth
Prado
Chipper
VMart
BMac
GA
Esco
Diaz/Church
That would be beautiful.
7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney
REMEMBER THAT BOYS.
by mvhsbball on Jul 29, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where else would he hit?
7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney
REMEMBER THAT BOYS.
by mvhsbball on Jul 29, 2009 6:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
anyways
does anyone know how to check email on the new yahoo homepage? i have very important businessman work to do and all i see is seth rogen. serious question
by esadb on Jul 29, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I usually just click where it says mail.
by Lennox on Jul 29, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 options (all three work, i had the same issue)
1. go to google and search yahoo mail
2. on the new yahoo page, in the bottom right hand corner is About Yahoo!. The first link is return to the classic Yahoo!, and its simple from there (then just leave it like that because we both no its better)
3. just go directly to the mail: http://mail.yahoo.com
Yunel is the Queen of Hearts
by GoBravesNY on Jul 29, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, im a big retard
I couldnt find the mail button, and couldnt go back to the old home page
by esadb on Jul 29, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah… it took me like a week to find the link back to the “old” yahoo page, which is a lot better
Yunel is the Queen of Hearts
by GoBravesNY on Jul 29, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, except the Indians got four legit prospects for Lee.
by 17843 on Jul 29, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm
I seem to remember us having a switch hitting first baseman hitting inbetween Chipper and McCann at some point……………
by BravesRaleigh on Jul 29, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really doubt that the Braves are looking at V-Mart
Baseball is my life
by That a boy on Jul 29, 2009 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would have gave the Giants Kelly Johnson for Alderson…
A man walks into a meat shoppe and goes to the counter. The cashier asks, "Thinking about buying some meat?". The man replied, "No, I'm going to buy meat, I was thinking about punanny."
by bwellnjonesco on Jul 29, 2009 8:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You are joking right, the giants would laugh in our face if we offered Kelly for Alderson.
Baseball is my life
by That a boy on Jul 29, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kelly is better than Sanchez, and thats what they got for Alderson today.
by bigjoe on Jul 29, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kelly may be a better long-term player than Sanchez...
But to suggest that they have anywhere close to comparable value on the trade market is crazy.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 29, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he’s under control for 2 more years, whereas Sanchez has a very expensive option for next season and is making nearly 3x as much as Kelly this year. He’s also coming off a season with a sterling .669 OPS
by bigjoe on Jul 29, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's also hitting a lot better THIS SEASON...
Which is what a team looking to pick a guy up for a postseason push would be prioritizing, I’ll assume.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 30, 2009 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kelly is not as good as sanchez, and his trade value wouldn’t get us anything close to Alderson.
Baseball is my life
by That a boy on Jul 29, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A falsehood followed by a true statement.
but I wouldn’t have thought Sanchez would be enough either…
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 29, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really if you believe that kelly is on the same level as sanchez then you are just a groupie. Sanchez is alot better then Kelly. If Kelly was so good he wouldnt still be sitting on the bench and went on the DL with a so called injury. Its okay to be a fan or just love certain guys but to say that Kelly is as good as sanchez is ignorance. Yes the Giants are dumb as hell to trade a young pitcher on the level of Alderson, but Sanchez bat is consist as it gets. Kelly wouldn’t get us anything good.
Baseball is my life
by That a boy on Jul 30, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An "injury" that required him to receive multiple exceptionally painful cortizone shots?
Get over yourself. Any hitter who can put up a 669 OPS over a whole year (a number which, you know, Kelly has never seen) is neither as “consist (sic) as it gets” nor really very “consist” at all.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 30, 2009 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK I'm a Kelly groupie. Here's why.
Higher career OPS than Sanchez, oodles more upside, BAbip is .066 points below his career average this season, Sanchez’s is .015 points above.
If baseball is your life you should know these things.
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 30, 2009 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay yeah Sanchez had .669 ops last year but it is .776 this year which isn’t awful for a second baseman. 2nd basemen are not going to be huge power guys with rare exceptions which is 6 2nd baseman. And I do know these things and Sanchez is better then Kelly . Yes Kelly has more upside but my point was that we couldnt get anything for him in a trade. Sanchez WAR is higher same with his UZR, BA, Sanchez is going to strike out way less 40 times less then Kelly. He is also a true second baseman. I have a brain and its clearly obvious that Kelly has huge holes in his swing, and now that major league pitchers know how to get him out he is not going to put up numbers like he did in 07 and 08. He isn’t just unlucky he just isn’t the best option to be playing second base for the Braves.
Baseball is my life
by That a boy on Jul 30, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even with the “huge holes” in his swing, he has been a better offensive 2B than Sanchez over the past few seasons…
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 30, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By what math?...
I know batting average isn’t the full determination, but in a worse lineup overall, Sanchez has only had one season as bad as Kelly’s best. Kelly has two seasons, one hitting .276, the other .287. Sanchez won a batting title hitting .344, has a career batting average around .300 with multiple seasons over .300 and consistently .290 or better.
Sanchez hasn’t scored as many runs (again, look at the lineups around them), but he’s got two years of 80+ RBI. KJ has never reach 70. Doubles, home run power, doesn’t seem to be much difference. KJ seems to walk a little more, but strike out more too.
And for a 2 month rental, their performance this season matters and Johnson has been abysmal until the last few games back from AAA. Maybe he’s on a hot streak, maybe he’s refound his stroke, but while he is clearly the younger player with “higher upside”, the more better player and the more consistent hitter is clearly Sanchez.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 30, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well you're his Dad, so that's a conflict of interest
Firstly, I don’t care about runs, RBI.
But, if I did, I’d tell you that KJ hasn’t driven many runs in because 63% of his PAs have come batting 1st or 2nd in the order, while 40% of Sanchez’ have come hitting #3 in which he collected almost have of his career RBI. So, actually, being in a weaker lineup helped those numbers by leading to a batting order spot more conducive to RBI.
Doubles, home run power, doesn’t seem to be much difference
That’s not really true. Kelly’s career ISO is .046 points higher.
And for a 2 month rental, their performance this season matters
I believe my original comment was,
A falsehood followed by a true statement
Which implied that I was aware that Kelly’s trade value was below Kelly’s.
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 30, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and by "have" I mean "half"
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 30, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dammit.
should read, Which implied that I was aware that Kelly’s trade value was below Kelly’s. Freddy’s.
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 30, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all of THIS
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 30, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Power...
Kelly has 20 HR potential, but he certainly isn’t showing that this year. Sanchez has little HR power, that’s why I say the difference is moot. As for 2Bs, both seem to do a pretty good job of hitting them, although KJ only has 2 full seasons and 2 half seasons to sample from. Sanchez has been pretty consistent for 4 years as a solid contact hitter.
But what are we actually talking about here? A push for the playoffs. And today, I don’t think there is much question on which player, Johnson or Sanchez, a team in a penant chase would want manning 2B for them.
When we are talking about teams making deals to make the playoffs that “today” perspective means a lot. Long term, the answer would probably lean towards Johnson, but from the Giants point of view and why they are making the deal in the first place, Sanchez would overwhelmingly be the choice. And also on the long term, the Giants still have the Burris kid, whose #s at the plate this year were as bad as KJ.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 30, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of that changes the fact...
That you said Sanchez is better than Johnson. That is the part we disagree with. And yes, replacing Burriss for them is huge.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 31, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can have Freddy, then
I’ll take Kelly Tim Alderson.
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 30, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bro.
A single year’s worth of comparison when the players involved have both had more than 1800 career PAs is ridiculous.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 30, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really when you wanna win this year; you go with the hot hand. If I were the Giants, I wouldn’t care how good Kelly’s been in the past, he just hasn’t cut it this year for some reason, so I trade for the guy that I think can impact the rest of the season rather than someone who might play as good this season and might be better next.
by soup du jour on Jul 30, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, over the past week (or ever since he has been called up) Kelly has probably been the hottest hitter in all of baseball…how small do we make these sample sizes? What determines the appropriate length of time to measure who has a hot hand?
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 30, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why the GMs are paid the big bucks, and are subject to such scrutiny; so they can define these quantities. I, personally, would rather acquire Sanchez than Johnson right now if I were a team looking to compete. Doubly so for the same price in prospects.
by soup du jour on Jul 30, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez
Is obviously better than KJ right now. KJ could turn out to be better down the road but right now he isn’t
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fair...
However, we’re not arguing trade values (most of us on the Kelly side have agreed he doesn’t have much value at this point.) We’re arguing the statement that Sanchez is the superior overall player.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 31, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God you people can be delusional. KJ, JoJo, and Kotchman gets you just about nothing. To get Martinez it’s going to look like Kotchman, Medlen, Zeke Spruill, and another minor league pitcher (not Teheran or Delgado). I really wish we would get in on Martinez however, he would solidify this offense and push us back to the forefront of the wild card picture.
by McCann's the Man on Jul 29, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah since we can expect to get V-Mart for our garbage? That’s a completely logical thought
by McCann's the Man on Jul 30, 2009 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant the offer he made...
Why is everything you say sarcastic?
by esadb on Jul 30, 2009 3:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
My bad, i’m just tired of the fans who think they can pawn their garbage off on other teams for something of value. Just because it worked with the mets and frenchy doesn’t mean it will always happen
by McCann's the Man on Jul 30, 2009 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh shi
I thought you were someone else…
by esadb on Jul 30, 2009 4:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm…I wonder who that could be…?
lol
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 30, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So yeah, sorry bro.
That wasnt directed at you. I say it a lot and ill say it again: Dont listen to me im a retard.
by esadb on Jul 30, 2009 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm thinking:
Freeman
Medlen
Schafer
Spruill
for
V-Mart
LaPorta
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 30, 2009 5:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kotchman+Medlen+Spruill for V-mart
Schafer is the CF answer. LaPorta hasn’t prove anything and he won’t be better than GA this year.
by p7682 on Jul 30, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i highly doubt they do anything without Freeman
thus, the reason we do not get V-Mart. Freeman, it seems, is a non-starter.
LaPorta hasn’t been given the chance to prove anything. The kid’s got a mean bat. And what makes you think getting him would be for this year?
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 30, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aren’t we contending now?and then why put a guy who will not do much help this year in the package?i know he hasn’t been given enough chance in major,so how did you see he’s got that mean bat?
by p7682 on Jul 30, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if you realized...
But there is, you know, a slight correlation between great hitting in the minors and great hitting in the majors. LaPorta’s OPS is above 900 in AAA this year. That’s ridiculous.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 30, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in that offer (though i think schafer + freeman is way too much but going to ignore that for now) we trade only one player on the ML roster (medlen) and we get back Martinez so obviously we upgraded to contend plus we got a nice piece for the future that would replace Freeman as our second best hitting prospect. Once again though I think you could switch Freeman out for Rohrbough and one other spec (not a top guy)
by McCann's the Man on Jul 30, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
You’d rather pay five times as much for a guy 15 years older instead of a great prospect with tremendous upside?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 30, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Medlen and Schafer?? That;’s too much. Medlen, Jo Jo Reyes and KJ should do the trick
by AlRoBraves95 on Jul 30, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Medlen, Reyes, and KJ gets you very little, certainly not Martinez and LaPorta. Medlen is the only one that cleveland would be interested in out of those three.
by McCann's the Man on Jul 30, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hardly.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 31, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe....
I’m interested to know who Cleveland would want out of the Braves system. The Phillies didn’t seem to give up their core prospects for Lee, and he is probably a bigger name than Martinez.
by kalesi on Jul 30, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Phillies had a lot of AAA guys who had trade value
Our second tier prospects are all at lower levels.
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 30, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might be something Frank Wren is mulling over. The single advantage Atlanta has right now over the NL East is pitching. That is starting to shift.
The Phils add a Cy Young winner to their rotation.
The Marlins seem to be hot on the trail of Heath Bell, which would make them a real tough pitching staff.
The Mets, while still behind, are starting to play better and are in wild card striking distance. That becomes particularly concerning with the knowledge that guys like Beltran, Reyes, Delgado, etc. are still on the DL and soon off.
I am of the opinion that the Braves made a deadline-type deal in landing McLouth. I am also a guy that likes a proven commodity instead of someone who has potential. There’s no debating, I think, that the Braves could land Martinez if they want him. It’s really more a question if they will be willing to part ways with a guy like Freeman or Shafer.
by kalesi on Jul 30, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They wouldn’t have to part with Freeman of Schafer because the Indians want pitching.
Baseball is my life
by That a boy on Jul 30, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second to this, especially Schafer if anything they want to get rid of extra OF’s. They’d have interest in Freeman for sure but like it was said above they’re going to be far more focused on pitching.
by McCann's the Man on Jul 30, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they need pitching, give them Jo Jo Reyes and Medlen….
by AlRoBraves95 on Jul 30, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JoJo reyes isn’t worth anything, him and Medlen isn’t near enough for Martinez
by McCann's the Man on Jul 30, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Mets are anything to worry about.
Those guys are not exactly coming off the DL “soon”:
Beltran’s going to be at least 2-3 weeks, and possibly up to a month.
Reyes doesn’t even have a timetable for his return (“at least several weeks” as of yesterday), and he’s admitted he probably won’t be at 100% for the rest of the season.
Finally, as of a week ago, Delgado was progressing even slower than Reyes. Nothing has been heard about him since.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 30, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably aren’t, but still are not as buried as I’d like to see them. This wild card will be an interesting race down the stretch.
by kalesi on Jul 30, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
We will know by 4PM.
As much as I would love for us to make a move I doubt it happens. Basically everyone ahead of us in the NL East and the Wild Card have made a move to fix holes and upgrade in some cases.
We still basically have league average production at a few of our positions:
1B – Below Average for the league actually as a 1B in the Power Dept.
RF, LF – Although GA since the break is hitting something like .460
I would go for a big upgrade at either 1B or RF.
In a fantasy world.
We acquire V-Mart for Medlen, Kotchman, 2 of our Lower A pitching prospects aside from Teheran.
We acquire Delmon Young. (This is if Church is injured)
From there possibly get a reliever through waivers although i doubt it with so many teams seeking RPs
by drumzalicious on Jul 31, 2009 3:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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