Atlanta and Minnesota have both checked in on second baseman Freddy Sanchez. However, the $8.1-million option for next season that triggers if Sanchez reaches 600 plate appearances this season remains a stumbling block for many teams.
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What? Hey, woh, wait, we "checked in" on Sanchez! How in the world does he fit on our team. Are we trying to collect second basemen like the Nats collect outfielders?
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I would imagine this would be a multi-team transaction where we’d keep Sanchez and ship a 2B off to somewhere else?
OR… we can see that Sanchez has played 99 (2006) and 65 (2005) games at 3B, as well as a few 28 (2006) and 11 (2005) games at SS. Maybe if the found a taker for Esco?
Feels like a bad deal, glad they didn’t make it.
I think you are right about the multi team transaction but it strikes me more as the Braves inquiring on behalf of a team who didn’t match up for a direct trade with the PIrates. The mystery team may have had something the Braves wanted. I can’t picture this team taking on that contract with Prado hitting so well, Infante coming back, and there is always KJ if he is hot. Yunel is not going anywhere barring a ridiculous offer. That was a media stirred rumor that finally forced the Braves to come out and deny it.
Yes, because a denial that a player is involved in trade talks is always a guarantee they're not moving.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
michaelprocton
You have never said anything positive to anyone on this site. All you do is post 1 sentence posts being sarcastic. Shut up.
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by RichmondBraves on Jul 28, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've yet to attack anybody like you, chief.
But hey, skip over whichever posts you choose to. It’s the internet. That’s your prerogative.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I went to the Bobcats blog just to see what was being said about the trade (as I’m also a Charlotte Bobcats fan) and one of the first posts said “At least there’s one silver lining… let Procton stink up Atlanta’s message boards for a while”.
Was funny. Alsoo I agree trade was stupid.
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by RichmondBraves on Jul 28, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This would be a dumb move if its a straight up. We have a lot of 2B mens on this team as it is already. Prado is the future in my opionion, KJ should get traded, now that he’s hitting and is value is up, and we have Omar Infante coming back who is a great utility player. Norton should be either traded or released ASAP. He’s been a liability to this team. Hands down the worst player we have. Can’t move the runners over, can’t sac fly, nothing. I say bring up Conrad and put him in the bench with Omar. If CJ needs a break, prado can play 3rd base, Omar on 2nd…..
by AlRoBraves95 on Jul 29, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait
Martin Prado and Freddy Sanchez aren’t the same person?
A man walks into a meat shoppe and goes to the counter. The cashier asks, "Thinking about buying some meat?". The man replied, "No, I'm going to buy meat, I was thinking about punanny."
I know I have never seen them in the same place together at the same time.
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While I have been very happy with Prado, there’s a reason he spent so long in the minors and is just now getting a chance to play everyday. Very likely he is not the future of this team at second. He is a very good utility player. Sanchez is about as sure a thing at second base that you get right now.
Prado was signed by the Braves when he was 19. He made his first trip to the majors at 22. He bounced back and forth for a couple of years because KJ had 2B locked up and that was Prado’s original position. He was a career .300 hitter in the minors. What more does this guy have to do?
Play a not terrible 2B?
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
This makes no sense...
It’s probably like that rumor a couple years ago that was saying we made an offer to Lowell. Just talk. I wouldn’t mind getting Sanchez, but where would we put him?
It may be a three-team trade
Maybe the Twins get Sanchez and hopefully involves us getting one of Grabow or Capps.
Also from John Perrotto a few days ago......
“The Braves would consider trading right-hander Javier Vasquez for offensive help prior to the August 31 deadline for setting post-season rosters if right-hander Tim Hudson makes a strong showing in his return from Tommy John surgery.”
No surprise here. Given Tim Hudson’s strong rehab start yesterday, the Braves at least have to consider trading Vasquez.
- PECOTA’s latest update has us at 58% of making playoffs (which I think is too high)
- Vasquez should land us a stud prospect or a young major leaguer who is under control for awhile
- If Tim comes back and gives us 75% of what Vasquez did, that’s still VERY good. Having six great/good and durable starting pitchers on your roster is a waste in my opinion when you have needs to upgrade elsewhere.
That really is a tough call. If Wren deals Vazquez he’d better be 100% positive Hudson can come back and pitch at a high level.
In this market, a king’s ransom could be had for a guy like Vazquez.
And it's really doubtful he can pass through waivers at his price.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
with the economy you never know…but Id have to agree… most GMs have said they wont put as many waiver claims in as they normally do, becuase they dont want to end up wiht a big contract they have to defend.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Regarding the Sanchez rumor.....
The Freddy Sanchez rumor makes no sense. We have 2 major league 2nd basemen on our roster already and another serviceable backup in AAA that all make much less than $8MM a year.
SANCHEZ
I actually think the Braves had more in mind with the idea of Sanchez. First, Prado is hot but he can also play mulitple infield postions including first base so they wouldn;t have to pull him out of the lineup. Trade for Sanchez, Pirates would get a cheaper first baseman than Laroche was in Kotchman and a replacement for Sanchez cheaper in Kelly Johnson. Sounds like a decent trade to me. Although neither Kotchman or Johnson are doing as well at the moment the Pirates could manage the salaries better than Sanchez and Laroche. Thats why Adam is in Boston now!
Addition
That would help the first base issues and add a bit more speed to the lineup possibly being able to move mclouth out of the top spot and hopefully bring his bat back to life, by putting Sanchez as leadoff.
Doubtful
If you’re suggesting that Prado move over to 1B… I can dig it. He has a bit more pop in his bat than Kotchman has displayed, so far… but far from the kind of pop you expect from your prototypical 1B.
I do like his line though, which currently stands at .296/.334/.442. His OPS is .776… something I can certainly live with. Still, Kotchman and KJ seems like a lot to give up to acquire Sanchez, even if they are in a funk currently.
I spent 20 minutes trying to justify this, and still just can’t see how he would fit. He plays solid, but unspectacular defense at 2B, and doesn’t have the kind of bat that translates anywhere else. He makes too much to be shuffled on to the Braves’ bench.
We have two starting quality 2B right now in Prado and KJ (yes, I said KJ) and super-sub Infante is only about 3 weeks away from returning. We could perhaps use a better back-up at SS, but Sanchez isn’t a SS, and wouldn’t serve as a back-up.
In short, I’m calling BS on this rumor. There’s just nowhere to put him on the field, and his career OPS would make him the 3rd best hitting 2B on the Braves. We have better players than Sanchez already.
mlbtr has us in pursuit of a bullpen arm, I’m assuming that’s related to this story. Who’s any good besides Grabow and Capps?
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Wellll
Twins are looking for Middle Infield help and have some nice BP arms so maybe we would be flipping him to them?
But why flip them Sanchez, when we could just offer up KJ? He is a hell of an upgrade at 2B to anyone on the Twins roster, just on the average of their careers. One could make the argument that KJ isn’t an upgrade in his current state… but I would think that MN would take the chance on upside alone.
Hell… didn’t some GM in NY do something similar sometime this month? ;-)
Sorry, but that's a non-starter...
If you’re really trying to suggest KJ and Sanchez have similar trade values at the moment, you really need to reevaluate.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Money
We already have an adequate 2B in Prado and KJ can do a bit of damage himself. While they may not be as good as Sanchez they are certainly around half his cost together.
by drumzalicious on Jul 29, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm both a Twins and Braves fan
And I’d love to get KJ there (I think TP screwed him up, and he’ll be fine wants he gets away from him), I’d be okay getting Sanchez, but the Twins can’t really spare any of their bullpen arms. They’ve resorted to using Mulvey and Duensing (their version of James Parr) in high leverage situations.
I guess David Ross hasn't talked to Pendleton all year.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Or Prado, Chipper, Yunel, Heap, Anderson, Nate and KJ.
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by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just pointing out a new player he wouldn't have had a chance to screw up.
I guess Anderson and McLouth are good options too.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I was agreeing with you, not arguing anything.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 28, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
im not sayign im agreeing with the Olddutchpots (which is an intertesting name and i want to understand)…but the argument would be TP screwed up KJ because younger players need more guidance than established veterans. So giving Ross, or Anderson, or even Nate woukldnt be counter examples because they already suceeded and have a plan of how to suceed in ML baseball.
KJ only knows what TP has taught him. THis is conjection as I beleive most hitting coaches are overvalued, based on the idea that most players have aperson outsdie the organization they go to for information on hitting, or they do the work themselves. Players usually know when they aren’t hitting and what they are doing well when they are hitting, so Id like to think they know what do to go from a bad swing to a good swing (assuming they have accomplished a good swng before). KJ suceeded with an approach orchestrated by TP and that approach wasnt fit for the adaptions that need to make once the pitchign adjusts. Or so the argument would go. Like I said, I dont really buy into the whole TP is a bad coach deal… but you are misconstrueing that argument as it SHOULD be displayed (or as it is most effective, if effective at all).
Prado would or might be a good example if he fails in the next year or so, which I think he will. But Its nice to ride the wave as for as long as possible and hope I am wrong.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Yeah, the TP snark was lazy,
I shouldn’t have singled him out because I obviously don’t have any direct knowledge of what’s going on. But my feeling watching the games is that KJ’s level of suck is pretty closely related to his aggressiveness. Back in ’07, he was taking a lot of pitches. Then he started making rumblings about how he needs to be more aggressive, then he starts swinging at more pitches, and he starts sucking.
Now, 2007 was his first year, so it’s possible that pitchers made adjustments to his patient approach, and he was forced to increase his swing rate in order to compensate for that. But I’ve seen him swinging at stuff these past two years that he shouldn’t be swinging at and that I don’t remember him swinging at 2 years ago.
Like I said, I don’t know if it’s fair to blame TP, so I shouldn’t have, but I do think KJ’s a good player who’s gotten some really bad advice. My belief is that it came from within the organization. Right now, I can’t provide you with any real evidence for that. It’s just the vibe I remember getting when KJ talked about his changed approach last year. It seemed like people in the organization wanted him to be more aggressive, KJ thought it was a good idea, and then he started sucking.
As for OldDutchPots. I needed a user name, and I had a bag of Old Dutch Potato chips on my desk. There’s no significance to it.
by OldDutchPots on Jul 28, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
So wait...
How was Johnson so successful the past two years, then? The hitting coach is the same, you know? And yes, I do think there’s value to seeing veterans (like Infante and Ross) hit better once they get here than they did before. Sure, they might have been successful, but if they improve, they’re probably doing something different.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
like I said a couple of times… I don’t disagree with you… but ur counterexamples weren’t appropriate. I doubt hitting coaches have as great of an effect on veterans as they do on younger players. Also, if TP is a bad hitting coach (which i dont beleive) Kj would succeed early based of his skills and past knowledge and then once TP “educates” him Kj would begin to decline. This information would follow with TP being a bad coach.
However, what is more likely is KJ is gettin unlucky and was struggling through an injury. He is more aggressive then he was in 07 and 08 (with 08 being more aggresive than he was in 07). Why is that I have no effing clue?
In my opinion outside of a few guys (Rudy Jaramillo, for example) hitting coaches are on the staff so that we can fire someone when the team isnt hitting (maybe overstating it a bit and being slightly pessimistic). Or at least thats how it seems. Teams with good hitter hit… teams without good hitters don’t. There is some variation, but there isn’t any evidence to show that a hitting coach has any influence on that variation (there also isn’t any to show that the coach doesn’t account for this variation).
As far as Ross goes… his BABIP is 350 right now… his career is 270… im guessing he has been unlucky with the 270 but thats 1100 ABs worth of data (albeit spread over 10+ years). and that can pretty much explain his higher than career avg numbers (although i didnt actually run the numbers on this).. He is certainly producing more than he ever has (even given the fluctuation in BABIP)… so maybe TP is to blame for his success. I won’t bother looking into Infante because I have already written a shitload.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
This could be of use....
http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2009/7/28/965910/2009-trade-deadline-preview
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