Rosturbation Is Not A Crime!
by cbwilk on Jul 26, 2009 2:36 PM EDT
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Unless you do it somewhere other than here...
Yep, it's the homestretch before the trading dealine, so I'm sure we're gonna need this rosterbation thread. So if you've got some roster scenario you're just dying to talk about, please talk about it here. Almost any player in baseball could get traded at the deadline, Except maybe Pujols or Heyward, so talk about who you'd like to see come put on the Atlanta uniform.
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I agree
I don’t get what the big deal against people throwing out their ideas is. It does get annoying when people make stupid that have no chance of happening but if you have a rumor you’ve heard somewhere else then what is the problem with posting it. I’m happy that I don’t have to work on Friday so I can keep up to date with the trades.
Actually, I think rosterbation is ridiculous. I just wanted to start the new thread to replace the old one. The title comes from some t-shirts that were out a few year back that read “Masturbation Is Not A Crime!”
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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The problem is every Joe Schmo who has an Idea posts a new fanpost every time and it pushes wothwhile posts off the front page when you can easily post trade speculation in another thread.
Yes, but what defines "legit," precisely?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 27, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I would qualify legit
if it is in MLBTR. I will accept a sports news source like ESPN (IMO).
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 27, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN
the same company that reported that Peavy, Furcal and Burnett were all Braves. The same company that employs a certain Buster Olney who makes up trading scenarios and then calls them “rumors”. I think some of the Rosterbatory posts here have more credibility than Olney at this point.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 27, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair point
but Olney aside, ESPN isn’t the worst, and to be fair the Braves organization itself thought Furcal was a Brave. O’Brien is far more guilty with the Peavy and Burnett non-transactions.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 27, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
very good point justin
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jul 28, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I love rosterbation
I think we could package KJ (he has been rebounding well lately), Jo-Jo and Diaz to the Mets for Jose Reyes and David Wright. The Mets need pitching and JoJo can give them that. They need a 2B and KJ can fulfill that. We throw in Diaz as a makeup for the FYF deal.
Then we turn around and we send Chipper to an AL team (LAA, maybe?) for Prospects TBNL. Wright plays 3rd for us. We ship Yunel to the Brewers for Braun straight up. That solves our OF problem. Then we play Reyes at SS and Prado full time at 2B still.
That would give us a lineup like this:
Reyes
Prado
Wright
Braun
McCann
McLouth
Kotchman
Church/Anderson
This would help all teams involved and it makes us a lot better without giving up any SP…
DO IT, FW!!!
(See how ridiculous rosterbation can be? This is why we hate it here.)
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 26, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I was more going towards if you have a legit rumor that it should be posted. Stupid crap that people make up gets really old really fast.
Too bad Reyes is hurt. Im sure they’d go for it if he was healthy!
7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney
REMEMBER THAT BOYS.
by Scott Coleman on Jul 26, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Man
V-Mart and Lee to the Dodgers?
Like they arent good enough already.
Furcal
Hudson
Manny
V-Mart
Eithier
Kemp
Martin
3B (I cant come up with his name)
Good god, thats really good.
7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney
REMEMBER THAT BOYS.
what???????
when did the dodgers get lee and vmart?
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 27, 2009 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Like every rumor that has ever come true has been.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 27, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Braves do anything
I’d like to see Norton replaced on the bench with a right handed bat.
Beyond that, they need to pretty much stay the course-there’s not much they can do to improve the roster without compromising what looks like a very bright future. The Braves right now are as good as they’re going to get, and it looks like it could be enough.
we already have that bat: Barbaro!
7/24/2009 - "The Phillies are too far ahead in the NL East for the Braves to make a run." - Buster Olney
REMEMBER THAT BOYS.
by Scott Coleman on Jul 26, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
This team is looking good now. It’s not an amazing offensive club but with this pitching staff, we don’t need to be. Kotchman is hitting much better lately, Prado has been a big boost, the outfield situation isn’t good but it’s better than it was, and Chipper still has yet to get it going lately. If KJ can come back and be a good bench player then we could give Chipper consistent rest down the stretch like he had today and Infante and Hudson are still coming back.
The East title may not be reachable with how the Phils are playing (though if we play them well that could change) but we’ve only got three teams in front of us in the WC. The Rockies are bound to come back down to earth because their rotation is just not nearly as good as it has been pitching, the Giants who probably don’t have the bats to stay ahead of us, and the Cardinals, who look like our biggest competition with the additions of Holliday, Lugo, and Derosa,
Jimenez and De La Rosa (if he continues to keep his BBs in check)…are the real deal Jimenez is potential ace and De La Rosa is a real strong #3 or #2 maybe… Marquis and Cook are pitching well and mayeb someone can look up if they are being lucky or not… Marquis has been a good pitcher before and has good groundball tendencies sooo he might keep it up…. and they can hit … The Rox are a formiddable opponent
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I think they are a good team
just not this good. It was a huge hot streak that got them in this position and I expect them to play more like they had before that. De La Rosa has great stuff but I don’t believe he’ll continue pitching like he has lately because I don’t believe in his control. Marquis has pitched well but his BB rate is over half a walk lower than his career and his BABIP is a little low.
Eh...
A vet could have tweaked something in approach or mechanics enough to sustain a .5 BB/9 drop.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 27, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
it's possible
I just don’t think it will hold up but I’m not saying that’s definitely not the case, just my opinion.
Marquis probably is
ZIPs predicts huge increases in FIP and ERA and regression in BB% and BABIP.
Cook’s peripheral actually look legit, but ZIPS still foresees and ERA increase of almost a run, probably due to an unsustainably high strand rate (75.9% cf. to career rate 70.4%)
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 27, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Brooks Conrad
is just a better switch hitter who can actually play defense, let’s just let him play.
by BravesRaleigh on Jul 27, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
yondaime’s summary hasn’t come up yet, but Brooksy had another big night tonight for gwinnett
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."
by Bravely going forward on Jul 27, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
just curious ...
and I know trading within the division is frowned upon, but would you guys trade Vazquez to the Phils for the package they just offered for Halladay (Happ, Donald, Taylor, Carasco)? Doubt it would happen, but if we put Vazquez on the market he would be the #2 available with a similar contract to Halladay.
minor deals happen within the division rarely
or deals with bottom-feeders in them, but not trading one of the league’s best pitchers from the second place team to the team in first. Also, Vazquez isn’t NEARLY as valuable as Halladay. Not really even close.
But can't we agree...
He’s probably as close as he ever will (or should) be?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 27, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
NO
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 26, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe.
If we could get Drabek instead of Happ and Carrasco, in a heart beat.
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 27, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone know when Infante is set to return?
Hopefully he’ll replace Norton on the bench. Norton is such a waste of a roster space right now.
KJ looks like he’s back and healthy and we all should keep in mind that he tends to be a much better 2nd half hitter. Perhaps we could move GA for someone in dire need of a bat? KJ could hold down left field or Infante when he gets back, not to mention we have DIaz and Church. Thoughts?
GA
he’s a decent hitting outfielder, not young in the slightest, plays awful defense, and is owed a decent amount for the rest of the year. Those kind of guys don’t tend to have too much trade value.
most title contenders already have a bat significantly better than his in left
and if they don’t, GA still isn’t worth trading anything of value for because he really isn’t all that good
What rock did you just crawl out from under? GA has been one of our better players as late.
Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind.
As shocking as it would seem, he has been. After abysmal .551 and .681 OPSs in April and May, he’s put up .804 and .856 OPSs in June and July. And in the 10 games since the break he’s rocking a 1.119 OPS. Shocking but true.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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I understand that
but if you expect that kind of production to continue, you’re just fooling yourself. His line for this year overall stands at .289/.320/.430 (.750 OPS) and that’s more than likely what he’s going to produce going forward because that’s what he has done in recent years.
2008: .293/.325/.433 (.758 OPS)
2007: .297/.336/.492 (.828 OPS)
2006: .280/.323/.433 (.756 OPS)
2005: .283/.308/.435 (.743 OPS)
2004: .301/.343/.446 (.789 OPS)
He’s remarkably consistent (aside from 2007) in being below average but not terrible and that’s what his job with the Braves is to be. He was a known quantity when we signed him and just like he isn’t as bad as he played earlier in the season, he’s not as good as he’s playing right now. And thank you for the really sarcastic response.
Ryan Garko
I cant explain why but I always liked the guy.
.286/.362/.470 this year in 234 ABs
Another righty in the lineup wouldnt hurt.
(my first attempt at rosterbating. Hope I didnt embarass myself.)
7/10/09-A New Dawn.
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 26, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions
Now a Giant
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jul 28, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
We wont be scoring 10 runs a game.
Remember the entire first half? All the times we scored 0 or 1 run(s)? I think we need one more significant bat, just to be safe. IMO, Jason Heyward seems to be nearly ready.
Remember the previous game where we scored zero??
Yeah, our offense is not near fixed.
Your options are not
1) Offense is horrible
2) Offense is great
I prefer something along the lines of:
3) Offense isn’t perfect, but is pretty good right now.
Never said it was horrible, just said it wasn’t fixed.
Being shut out is bad against any pitcher. It’s not like Gallardo has a sub 1 ERA or anything.
Scoring 10+ runs in a game doesn’t mean the hitting is fixed, especially if you scored 0 the night before. I just think we need to consistently be able to score 4 to 5 runs a game. All 10 runs means is that we got to the bullpen and got garbage runs when the game was already decided. A good team scores runs when they NEED to.
. I just think we need to consistently be able to score 4 to 5 runs a game.
Kinda like we have done every game since the AS Break except for 1?
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 26, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re averaging 6.2 runs a game since the ASB, compared to I believe 4.3 before. Thats a pretty decisive improvement in a small sample size
Lets see this on into August then its not much of a small sample size then. I think our offense is good and hopefully can keep this up but the first half the offense was pretty weak, the offense is gonna have to do like this on into August for it to make a believer out of me. Its above average right now, but we will see if it can stay that way.
braves#1
When you get alot of 10+ run games it skews the numbers of what your offense is actually like on a consistent basis.
When you get alot of 10+ run games…
By that same logic, if you get a lot of 1 or 0 run games, it skews what your offense is actually like on a consistent basis.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 27, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No
10 run games are skewed because at a certain point the other team is not trying their hardest and certainly not sending out their best pitchers. Therefor the offensive numbers increase and don’t give you a fair barometer of what the team’s potential actually is in game situations that actually matter. Plus you have guys like A-Rod that tip off pitches for the opposite team in blow outs. lol
So no, you can’t make the same comparison to 1 or 0 run games. Those games actually mean you cannot hit.
um…that would all depend on how many runs the other team has. Just because you have 10 runs doesnt make the game a blowout, just like having 0 runs dosn’t mean the game is close.
So no, you can’t make this argument.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
If we score 0 or 1 runs in a game it is awful no matter what the other team has scored. In fact, if the other team has scored a lot of runs, the fact that we scored less than 2 makes it even worse because they aren’t sending their best pitchers against us late in the game. I suppose you could make the argument that our hitters aren’t trying their hardest in blowouts either, but I guarantee that because of how important stats are in terms of contracts they’re still trying to get hits out there.
You do make one good point about the fact that us having ten runs doesn’t necessarily make it a blowout because the other team may have 9 therefore making our offensive numbers more viable. But with our pitching this year that hasn’t happened all that often. More times than not when we’ve scored lots of runs, we’ve had a pretty large margin of victory.
Which of these statements will you stand by?
I suppose you could make the argument that our hitters aren’t trying their hardest in blowouts either, but I guarantee that because of how important stats are in terms of contracts they’re still trying to get hits out there
10 run games are skewed because at a certain point the other team is not trying their hardest and certainly not sending out their best pitchers.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You are correct.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 31, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
btw
Do you think once we make the playoffs (God willing) we’ll be facing nothing but scrub pitchers? No. We’ll be facing the “top pitchers” that tend to shut us down. So yeah, the offense isn’t fixed.
How many runs did the Braves score against Lincecum?
This offense has been pretty good since Omar Minaya saved our season. One bad game against a very talented pitcher doesn’t change that.
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by buzzdeadwax on Jul 26, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Johan Santana, Barry Zito, Randy Johnson for Christ's sake, etc...
Yeah, we had a rare good game against Lincecum, that doesn’t mean we’re out of the woods.
In all fairness
The Braves hit Santana as well or better than anyone. Up until that last game Santana had NEVER beaten the Braves (which is quite a feat). When a team plays a pitcher like Santana as many times as the Braves will over the next few years, that can’t last…
Zito isn’t as terrible as he was before, his contract is terrible but he is a useful pitcher. Every once in a while he has a good night, and he did against us. And the Braves as a team have never hit Randy Johnson well…
I get your point, but even the Red Sox/Yankees/(insert monster payroll offense here) get shut down from time to time. The Braves offense has picked it up tremendously over the past few weeks. They are really clicking right now, and if they can keep that up they will be fine.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 27, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
This
Not even the ’27 Yankees scored 10 runs every game.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
by buzzdeadwax on Jul 26, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Addition by subtraction
Francoeur, Schafer, Bad Anderson, Bad KJ. They’re gone. Offense is better than it was.
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"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 26, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm.
A BP arm perhaps? Just someone to take some of the work load off of Gonzo and Moylan late in the game. If this was 2010 I wouldn’t be as worried about those two but coming right off arm surgeries I get a bit worried.
Bowman wrote on it earlier and mentioned Danys Baez, Takashi Saito, Ron Mahay, and John Grabow as available options.
Saito has the best numbers out of the group and also has a club option for next year that is equal to whatever he earns from his incentive contract this year. He also provides us with someone next year to go in the back of the Bullpen and replace Gonzo once we (hopefully) retain Soriano.
I don’t know exactly what the Sox would want but I don’t believe it would be TOO great of a price.
I would love for us to work out a deal with the Twins. They are in need of some Middle Infield help and I wouldnt mind seeing what we could get for KJ. They have some good arms in Jose Mijares and Matt Guerrier. Matt Guerrier is a FA after 2010 so he kinda does for us what Saito would do. Mijares is a lefty so he would be an outright replacement of Gonzo. Only thing is he is under control longer so he would cost more.
Personally I say go talk to the Twins. Maybe we could even expand the package to include another lower MI prospect and get Delmon Young. He isn’t the greatest but he is someone i wouldn’t mind taking a chance on going into next year.
an interesting idea, but...
Bobby has pretty good arms other than the big three in the pen right now and just never uses them. What’s to say that if Wren went out and got an arm, Bobby wouldn’t just keep using the same guys night in and night out? I do see your point and wouldn’t be against dealing KJ for an arm that can help late in games, but with Huddy coming back (and most likely heading to the pen), it probably isn’t all that likely.
I doubt
Huddy will be the one in the Pen. The team already expressed concerns about KK’s stamina coming off a couple of years in a 6 man rotation. I believe he will fade a bit down the stretch especially in a play off push and i fully expect that Huddy will be replacing him and KK will be in the pen.
As far as the BP goes.
EOF is prob the next best outside of the big 3 and he could use some rest himself because of his back. Lately Bobby has been going to Logan which is good. However, outside of those two we dont have dependable arms that can shut it down. Acosta is inconsistent, and Medlen should be in AAA racking up innings as a Starter.
I have absolutely no confidence in Carlyle and Bennett to be any help or any better.
It just pains me every time a game is close and one of “The Big Three” has to go out I just think we could use another guy for Bobby to go to in those close situations because down the stretch teams we face in the play offs arent going to have any push over rotations and a lot of games will be closer than they have been recently. Also lightens the load of losing Gonzo if we can get another guy to go back there with Moylan to set up for Soriano who we will hopefully be re-signing
by drumzalicious on Jul 27, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
He has pretty good arms?
Every time Acosta comes into a close game, he’s gonna blow it. EOF has had his ugly moments when his spots aren’t picked.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 27, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You aren't going to get 5 or 6 closers in the pen
Bobby has a pen with a grand total of one pitcher with an ERA over four. That is pretty impressive. And that one guy with an ERA over four is Medlen, who has an ERA of three in the 12 innings he’s pitched in July. Yeah, the guy has pretty good arms out there.
Good arms in an 8-run game don't close out close games late.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 27, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
again, you're not going to get a ton of closers
We already have two, that’s better than most teams can say. If you want another closer, don’t hold your breath or you’re going to pass out. We have good arms that are not utilized enough by Bobby. Even if we get another decent to good reliever (what we’ll get if Wren gets one at the deadline) Bobby will continue to go to the same guys in close situations because just like the guys there now, they’ll be good but not elite and Bobby wouldn’t trust them.
I thought about this too
The Sox are looking to add a catcher, but I would really hate to trade David Ross. I don’t think we would get what he’s worth in return. Wait, I’ve got it!… Clint Sammons.
by Bmacbandwagon on Jul 27, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
probably going to be Hudson
he’s talked about it a lot previously and if the rotation is pitching like it has, he’ll more than likely be the one headed to the pen.
well, since the rotation is doing great right now,
his arm strength still won’t be 100%, and he’s been talking about it as far back as a couple months ago, it seems like that is probably going to be the way the team goes.
will most likely be KK
The team already expressed concerns about KK’s stamina coming off a couple of years in a 6 man rotation. I believe he will fade a bit down the stretch especially in a play off push and i fully expect that Huddy will be replacing him and KK will be in the pen.
by drumzalicious on Jul 27, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I still like the idea of Hudson out of the pen. I personally wouldn’t want to push his arm too much and even if he does start, he’s only going to be good for about 5 innings. With a bullpen that’s already over used, that’s just going to make it worse.
Then again...
Without excellent stuff and a mentality to pitch to contact, do you really want him in high-leverage situations in the pen?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 27, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like Derek Lowe, who we all know worked out of the bullpen for years.
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."
by Bravely going forward on Jul 27, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
And was ravaged for his inconsistency.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
he wasn’t that bad. i was just making the point that good pitchers can work in any scenario. smoltz, of course, is another good example.
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."
by Bravely going forward on Jul 28, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
actually
there was some report where he was saying by the time his rehab is over he will be throwing up to 6/7 innings.
by drumzalicious on Jul 28, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
not an indication either way
They’re going to bring him back in rehab as a starter to build up arm strength, even a lot of relievers do that when theyre rehabbing from a major injury.
who is this Roy Holliday you speak of?
do you mean Roy Halladay?
or Matt Holliday?
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 27, 2009 6:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Troy Glaus
I’ll just toss this one out there. The Cardinals have a player with no position in Troy Glaus. The Braves have Kelly Johnson who, outside of a down first half, has generally played pretty well in his career. Johnsons’ name was connected with St. Louis in the offseason.
I’m not sure what Glaus is making, but it seems pretty clear the Cardinals don’t want it. He would give us a backup option at first and a power bat off the bench. I’m sure Glaus is probably “worth” more than Johnson, but both teams have a starter-caliber player with no place to play.
That all said, I think Glaus will end up a Giant.
The same Troy Glaus...
…who reportedly can’t throw 50 feet following shoulder surgery?
I have a hard time believing that a guy with a shoulder so gimpy that he can’t even throw from first to second can qualify, even in passing, as a “power bat.”
indeed.
even at 1st you have to make some throws.
by drumzalicious on Jul 27, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Not only that
But some amount of swinging involves the arms as well. If your arm is too damaged to throw, how are you going to be successful at the plate?
what happens
if you dive for a ball. . . . stretching out or landing on it could affect it as well.
wow.
so i think Troy Glaus is officially off the list
by drumzalicious on Jul 27, 2009 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow. Read the post fellas. I’m not suggesting we cut Chipper and plug in Glaus. The guy would be a power right handed bat off the bench, something the Braves do not have.
He has been playing the outfield in AAA Memphis right now, so I think you can throw out the “can’t throw 50 feet” idea. His surgery was nearly 8 months ago and he can throw from third base, just not comfortably. And yes, there are throws first basemen have to make, but not that many and not that often.
Granted, he pans out as more of a DH type for the American League. However, he could fill a need in giving us a power right handed hitter off the bench who could be a periodic fill in for Kotchman who has been, in a word, “streaky.”
oh i knew that
i was talking as a reference of him playing 1st
by drumzalicious on Jul 27, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
As of 7/24...
He’s still unable to throw across the diamond, but may be attractive to American League clubs who can stick him at DH or first base
—foxsports.com
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 27, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
We heard from FOXSports.com’s Ken Rosenthal yesterday that the Cardinals are now trying to move Troy Glaus because he’s unable to throw more than 90 feet.
Via MLBTR.
So, I shortchanged him a few feet, but if your right shoulder is that messed up, being able to turn on a pitch seems pretty difficult to do.
not that this is a fair comparison but both these things were said about Jim Thome (when with the Phils) and Pujols in 2007 ( i think thats when he had elbow problems)…Im not advocating Glaus..cause he doesnt make us better
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
who Glaus…i dont care what his contract is… he isnt good enough to upgrade our team with the amount we would most likely have to give up and the fact that his salary would cripple future moves.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Just an idle thought that probably doesn’t merit a post, but I’m wondering if a good solution to our bullpen problems would be to acquire Heath Bell, and possibly acquiring him now instead of over the offseason. This would give us outstanding pen depth and a controlled closer for the next few years, allowing us to let both Soriano/Gonzo walk if their cost is beyond our means.
I’d imagine it would take a top prospect plus some filler. I wouldn’t give up Freeman, but maybe a DeVall or Spruill? Give them one of those and Medlen, and perhaps someone like Campbell or Hicks and I’d think they’d do it.
Or we could send Schafer and some filler, but I would much rather not…he’ll be a good one when healthy. I dunno, just some idle conjecture for a boring Monday morning.
like
Halladay status. They arent trying to move him at all
by drumzalicious on Jul 27, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, they have recognized their own incentive.
He’ll start to get expensive in arbitration next year, and what point is an expensive great closer for a bad team?
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 27, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
of course that article comes out after i make that comment lol.
by drumzalicious on Jul 28, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
although
I do like where your head is at =^)
Long term solution.
Maybe they would be interested in Valdez instead of Medlen.
by drumzalicious on Jul 27, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently
Red Sox and Rays are trying to trade for both Cliff Lee AND V-Mart in a blockbuster type deal. So we might should cross those guys off the list well V-Mart.
If Lee goes to one of those two Phils will def go after Halladay. Yanks are already talking for Washburn/Harrang
by drumzalicious on Jul 28, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
John Smoltz?
Smoltz has looked positively terrible for Boston this year. However, he is still throwing in the low to mid 90s on his fastball.
Methinks Boston would be willing to move him to clear a space on a pitching staff that has been struggling. I personally think he could be had relatively cheaply and might give us a nice option at long reliever.
Bold, wild-assed prediction.
Wren shocks everyone by bundling 3 or 4 smaller pieces for a major piece: Either a stellar BP arm or a big RH bat for RF, LF and/or IB.
Players on the short list to be shipped out include: K. Johnson, Medlen, Church, Barbaro Canizares, Brooks Conrad, and all minor league pitching prospects not named Cole Rohrbough, Julio Teheran or Craig Kimbrel.
If Wren was not talking trash about standing pat, I wouldn’t be suggesting this, but truly I smell that pure and undeniable odor of Bullshit.
Look for a major move, mark my words.
The Braves MO is usually to make big surprise deals
but I think you are wrong on this one. braves can’t afford a big piece. The Braves used their “surprise deal” magic up with McClouth.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 28, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Freddy Sanchez?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/pirates-rumors-duke-grabow-sanchez-wilson.html
Contract aside, how would you guys like him?
slap hitter, no power, no speed, doesn’t walk (OBP/OPS closely connected to his avg.)…
yeah, no thanks. Not that he isn’t useful. I haven’t checked the UZR or anything, but I’m pretty sure he is good with the glove… Just not the type of player the Braves need at all.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 28, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Good 2B, possibly great 3B, adequate SS. He is on pace for a 3+ WAR season, too.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s been a .300 + hitter in one of the worst lineups in the majors. He’d defintely be an upgrade at second base.
Over Prado?
Sure with the glove, but offensively Prado has been every bit as good or better. He is the definition of an empty batting average at the plate. I would take Prado or KJ over him. The Braves need a power hitter, not a slap hitter…
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 28, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
We have everything we need
Internally
Heyward should come up with Schafer in September and boost us….
We don’t need a trade – soon we’ll add
Heyward RF
Schafer OF
Conrad – 2B
Hudson – SP/RP
Infante – everywhere…
I think we’re fine
I don’t know how much I’m ready to count on Schafer. Kid missed much of last season with the suspension and is missing a lot of this year with a wrist injury. How many games can a guy miss out on and not take a hit in terms of development?
..4 cortisone shots to the wrists
worked for KJ…
Schafer's injury was much more serious.
Kelly had some ligament inflamation.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m getting concerned too. So far, sending him down is only getting him healthy. He needs to be getting AB’s to get more experience. The longer he’s out, the less likely he gets right in time to start off next year. the front office will need to know how he’s doing when they map out their offseason approach.
"Ohhhh Shit."-Bobby Cox, 3/28/09
I want him back for next year, and that’s it. Whatever it takes for him to be ready for March, that should be the plan. I don’t want to risk losing another several months by getting him back in the grind and seeing him reaggravate that injury AGAIN.
I hope he gets some ABs for Gwinnett, and maybe goes to AFL to get a bit more work in, and comes back fresh for spring.
Would he even be allowed to play in the AFL?
I don’t think you tend to see many guys there with ML experience.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Braves will try to find themselves a right fielder this winter. With McClouth in center, you have some combination of Diaz, Blanco, Church etc. that could battle for a left field spot
Wonder if GA would be brought back for another 1 year deal. Guy can still hit.
I'd rather let him go
Stick with Diaz and Church. Find a right fielder.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 29, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine!?!?!?
That seems to me to be a very odd thing to say.
We are 7 games out of the division lead with 63 to play. We are a mere 3 games over .500, are lagging behind St. Louis, Colorado and San Francisco for the wildcard, are tied with Florida for the wildcard, and have Houston, Milwaukee and the NY Mets behind us but within striking distance. So, basically, we are in the middle of an eight team scramble for one wildcard birth.
All the fancy projection models are not putting us into the playoffs. Instead, we actually have to continue to win games on the field of play. To maximize our chances, it would be great to upgrade our team.
It would be great, sure...
But a marginal improvement somewhere like middle relief or an RH bench player at the cost of sacrificing the future is absolutely not worth it.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Kelly Johnson isn’t going anywhere. I told Frank Wren face-to-face @ the Maddux Luncheon and he said that he wants to keep KJ. Besides, we need him. He’s a lot better than many give credit.
Now, as your conductor:
All aboard!
Tigers love pepper; they hate cinnamon.
by Jareth Cutestory on Jul 28, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions
Haha...
So what did you tell him, precisely?
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh,
I told him not to trade KJ, because he’ll come around. I threw a “please” in there for good measure. Hopefully my manners will pay off!
Tigers love pepper; they hate cinnamon.
by Jareth Cutestory on Jul 29, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Aha.
Well put.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 29, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
So...
Anyone wanna continue to defend our offense after the Marlins’ series?
I said our offense wasn’t fixed after the Brewers series and got slammed, but I witnessed our team get owned by Ricky Freaking Nolasco and we only had 5 hits going into the 9th inning last night in the series finale.
I still don’t think our offense is good enough to get it us into the playoffs. But who knows, Laroche tends to turn it on late in the season and he has much more power than Kotchman, and power is what we really need. Although Laroche is also a good defensive 1st Baseman, I do think we lost the best defensive 1st Baseman in baseball.
Second half splits for LaRoche
2008 .304/.361/.613
2007 .312/.371/.482
2006 .323/.387/.655
The offense just got much better if he plays like his usual second half self
by McCann's the Man on Jul 31, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool
So everytime anyone is proven correct (or at least in their perception, proven correct), we can create fanposts and comments about how everyone should recognize the fact that we were right?
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
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