It Will Be Tough To Deal Javy Vazquez, But It Must Be Done
As valuable as Javier Vazquez has been to the Braves, the unfortunate and sad reality is it won't last past this season; and more than likely won't last past this month. Vazquez is third in the NL in strikeouts and sports the second highest swing-and-miss percentage in the majors. His control is also outstanding, ranking fifth in the majors in BB per nine innings, and fourth in the majors in WHIP. Javy is ninth in the majors in adjusted ERA, teammate Jair Jurrjens is 7th. Javy has been a stalwart in the Braves rotation and easily GM Frank Wren's most acclaimed addition in the offseason. Most will agree that Vazquez could easily have been an All Star selection this year had it not been for the utter lack of run support by the Braves.
Unfortunately for the Braves, with the success of Vazquez--and of the starting rotation in general--they sit 6.5 games behind the first place Phils and merely one game above .500 on July 21; a mark they finally reached for the first time since May. Largely due to the lack of consistent hitting; a bonafide Jekyll & Hyde offense, the Braves have not been able to keep up with the Phillies in the NL East. With the losses of Jeff Francoeur (trade to Mets) and Kelly Johnson (rehab assignment in AAA, Gwinnett) the offense has started to really pick itself up. Martin Prado has easily been the teams most improved player and has done much more than simply fill in for Johnson's absence at 2B. Prado can also be used at 1B and 3B, which certainly ups his value. And with utilityman Omar Infante returning soon from a broken hand, the future looks bright for the Braves offense.
Whether the Braves will be buyers or sellers at the trade deadline is still up in the air according to GM Frank Wren. The Braves could also stand still and hope their offense continues to click and their staff continues to do what they've done all year. Another option, and probably the most profitable one is the addition-by-subtraction approach; which is to say dealing one of your key cogs for another impact player. This is where Vazquez comes in to play.
1. Vazquez's "sell factor" is the highest it has ever been and most would agree the highest it will ever be. Thus trading him at this time would yield the Braves their largest return possible.
2. Vazquez has a contract running through next year, so the team that would acquire him would get another year out of him instead of possibly losing him to free agency.
3. The Braves rotation could withstand the blow of losing him. With Tommy Hanson coming on very strong, Jurrjens pitching like the ace he is, and Derek Lowe beginning to show flashes again, the rotation is still very solid even without Vazquez.
And lastly, the Tim Hudson factor. Hudson returned this past Sunday in his first rehab start from Tommy John surgery on his elbow. He pitched solid for High-A Myrtle Beach for two innings allowing no hits with one walk and 2 strikeouts. Hudson's rehab progress thus far has been nothing short of perfect. He has thrown simulated games and 90 pitch bullpen sessions without any setbacks.
If Hudson is able to return to his old form for the Braves, he would be able to slide right in to Vazquez's role for a playoff push. Right now the targeted return date for his season debut is August 16. Obviously that date is past the July 31 trade deadline, so the Braves will have to take a leap of faith with Hudson if he shows he is ready to return in his 2 rehab stints before the deadline.
Hudson's contract includes a $12M team option for the 2010 season that the Braves are expected to invoke. That being said, the financial impact of paying Lowe $15M, Hudson $12M, and Vazquez $11.5M is too much for the organization to bear. Add Chipper Jones' 2010 salary of $13M and the Braves would have $51.5 Million wrapped up in just four players. Ownership has set a rough limit $90 Million for team payroll. To tie up nearly 60% of your payroll into four players is just not smart and does not make a successful franchise.
That being said, the Braves will have to let go of one of the above mentioned players before next season in order to avoid this predicament. Derek Lowe will not be traded because other teams do not value him as a $15M per year player, which is more than fair as I doubt Frank Wren does either. Obviously Chipper is not going anywhere, I won't waste your time expounding on that. That leaves Hudson and Vazquez. And, with Hudson coming off Tommy John surgery he simply has no trade value right now because nobody has seen him pitch. That makes Vazquez the unfortunate odd man out.
Wren can either trade Vazquez before the trade deadline and acquire a player who can step right in and contribute now or he can play out the season and trade him or a presumably successful rehabbed Hudson during winter meetings, thought that is unlikely. If Wren goes after a corner outfielder now, he will most likely go after a player who does not hit free agency next season, as Vazquez won't. Doing that ensures said player will be with us through the 2010 season thereby making either Ryan Church or Garrett Anderson expendable next year. That requirement takes out the bandied about name of Matt Holliday. Likely options for said players include Pat Burrell, Michael Cuddyer, Adam Dunn, Jermaine Dye, Brad Hawpe, Jason Kubel and Marcus Thames. Hopefully Wren can pull the same proverbial "rabbit out of the hat" as his predecessor John Schuerholz used to.
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Just doesn't work that way.
We either keep Vazquez and go for it with Vazquez and acquire a bat (or not) independently of Vazquez or we punt on the season and trade Vazquez for prospects. No contending team is going to rob Peter to pay Paul by giving up a slugger for Vazquez and no non-contending teams are going to want to take on his salary.
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There’s only one player and team that makes sense that you named and that’s Hawpe and its iffy on the Rockies part. We would be better off dealing him for prospects. Or we could wait till the offseason and trade him for a bat or prospects. If prospects it frees up money allowing us to pick up Hudson’s option and resign Soriano or Gonzalez. Plus some players salary raises due to arbitration.
And the Rockies are not a trade option for Vazquez because he has a no-trade clause to any NL or AL West teams. Vazquez is not going anywhere this season, IMO. It is possible that he could be moved during the offseason to strengthen the lineup. For the time being there isn’t a plausible trade partner that could provide compensation that would meet the current needs of the team and it is the strength and depth of our pitching that give us a realistic chance to make it to post season play and allow the team an opportunity to advance through the playoffs. He should stay put for the remainder of this season and the issue can be revisited during the winter after Hudson has had a chance to provide evidence that he will be able to be as effective as he has been in the past.
Why?
Yes, we are 6.5 games back. With how many left? Close to 70? I’m not saying it will be easy, but we have plenty of ball left to be played. I think it is 9 left against the Phils. Maybe if we were in the condition the Mets or Marlins are in, then yes, let’s get what we can for him. But we aren’t. We are playing some of the best ball we have been playing all year. We are 5-2 since the Francoeur trade. But just watch us. We have 46 runs and allowed 23 in those games. Small sample size, I know.
You leave Vazquez as " the unfortunate odd man out." Who says we will pick up Hudson’s option for next year? If he comes back and is not effective at all, why would we pay him $12 million next year? I don’t know what goes through player’s minds, but I’m sure Hudson would understand and maybe come back for 4 or 5 million instead of 12. He doesn’t come off as one who is all about money. He seems very professional.
I’m not saying Church is the answer. But getting Diaz more at bats certainly is helping. Infante is coming back soon. Our pitching has been great for the most party recently. Nothing about this team seems very negative right now. Everything is looking up it seems. Why throw away a season that still could very likely be a succesful season?
Isn't the buyout on Hudson's option $3 million?
I could be wrong about that, but I think it is, which is a pretty strong incentive to pick it up
If we lose our next 9 games before the deadline
Then yes, we should trade him for a boatload of good prospects.
But if we’re within 5 games of either the East or WC, we won’t trade him.
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It would be fun getting some good young players back to pair with the obvious young talent of Hanson, Escobar, Jurrjens and Heyward, however, its the duty of the team (from a fan perspective) to stay competitive while the possibilities exist…
A man walks into a meat shoppe and goes to the counter. The cashier asks, "Thinking about buying some meat?". The man replied, "No, I'm going to buy meat, I was thinking about punanny."
Here’s an idea, hold onto him for the rest of the season and then trade him in the off-season. He’ll still have plenty of value then and he’s too important to us during this playoff run to trade away.
by McCann's the Man on Jul 21, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
Let's see a 6-man rotation.
Seriously, who do you move to the ‘pen? The most desirable to move to the bullpen is KK, but because of the relationship with the Japanese and our hope to lure more Japanese stars to Atlanta, moving him to the bullpen would not be a good idea. Why not 6 in the rotation? We’ll be expanding rosters pretty soon, so it’s not like we’d have to sacrifice a ’pen arm.
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by Jareth Cutestory on Jul 21, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions
Hudson has already said he’s comfortable going to the pen for the rest of the year, i think that’s what will happen. He’s only throwing 2 innings now and stretching his arm out to 6-7 innings in the next month will be very difficult on him, better just to ease him back into the majors
by McCann's the Man on Jul 21, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd put Hanson in the Pen
He has the best raw “stuff” of any of our pitchers, which would convert really well to the pen, and we need to manage his innings anyways to prevent an injury risk- so once he hits 160-170 innings between the minors and majors, I’d move him to the pen. If we make it to October, the starting pitching is still solid, and our bullpen would be unstoppable.
Well if traded him now we would get one type A prospect. I think we could still get a A prospect if we traded him in the offseason but if we wait till next year’s deadline we’ll get hosed like we did in the Tex trade.
Everyone was so happy or satisfied what we got for Tex and i was the completely opposite. Tex being one of the leagues best hitters we hardly got anything for him. I think we should’ve asked for Adenhardt or Wood and minus Marek.
If we would have asked for Wood or whatever then who plays first for us this year? Say what you want about Kotchman but the guy plays incredible defense, great eye, clutch hittin, and ok hittin as a whole. Its better than signin some bum FA first baseman and plus where would Wood play? I guess in AAA but still im not really sold on him. Im fine with Kotchman. We were tryin to get a MLB ready guy now thats why we took Kotchman.
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I agree.
Vazquez only seems to do well every other season. And since he is having a career year, now would be the best time to trade him. Plus, it sheds a lot of payroll and gives us money to invest in a bat this offseason. We’ve got to do what we’ve got to do. I would like to send him to Milwaukee for Corey Hart and a top pitching prospect. That trade would work well for both of us.
Forget Corey Hart, we should be aiming for Brett Lawrie (possible future replacement for chipper at third), Jeremy Jeffress, and another part. We could still get that in the off-season though, except that other part might be a lesser prospect instead of a more valuable piece. Getting Hart is no upgrade over Ryan Church
by McCann's the Man on Jul 21, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If you read anything I said, then you would have seen that I said I wouldn’t move Javy until the off-season. Yes Jeffress has some problems with weed but he’s working on his problem by getting help and there’s no denying that he’d instantly be our best pitching prospect. Teheran is the only other guy that can compare but he’s so far away from the majors. At worst I think Jeffress ends up as a very good bullpen arm which still has plenty of value. Also because of his problems they’d also have to include another very good prospect in Brett Lawrie who could end up at either third (eventual replacement for chipper) or second. Lawrie is the center piece, not Jeffress
by McCann's the Man on Jul 22, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
We couldn't get that much for Javy.
He is having a great year, but I think the most we could get is Hart and one(1) top prospect.
Ok.
In regards to someone going to the pen. It most likely will be Kawakami.
By the time the post season arrives he will have pitched quite a bit of innings. He’s coming from a team in which he was on a 6 man rotation and his stamina will most likely fade down the stretch.
Hudson will essentially be a fresh arm and its no use in him wasting in the pen. We would be best served having Hudson, Lowe, and Javy lead our rotation. From there we use J.J. as our #4 Starter.
I know everyone will get up in arms about J.J. as our 4th starter but we have to realize that he is still in his Sophomore season and we dont want to over work him. it would be better to have him ease into the role of a play off starter. Lowe has been there before, Hudson will be fresh, and Javy is also a innings eater and someone who has been to the post season before, although not successfully lol.
In regards for trading. I would say keep Javy. Our offense has shown lately that they have the ability to produce and i think that down the road in reaching the play offs we will be thankful we did.
If we do trade for a bat i would say we not go after an outfielder but go after Victor Martinez.
Kotchman is a great DEF 1st baseman and does great for us in the lower part of the lineup. However i feel if we are going to go for offensive help we should aim higher than what you listed.
Having V-Mart in our lineup will give us 2 Switch Hitters back to back in the middle of the line up. It will also take come pressure off Chip and Mac to try and carry this offense. Not to mention it will most likely get Chip some more pitches to hit.
McLouth
Prado
Chip
V-Mart
McCann
Escobar
Anderson/Diaz
Church
Hudson likely won’t be back in shape by the end of this season, his arm won’t be stretched out enough to post 6-7 quality innings in a game. Lowe, Vazquez, and Jurrjens should be an effective post-season rotation (if we make it). If we go 4 then I think Hanson is next in line. Also what do you plan on trading for Victor Martinez, the Indians want premier pitching prospects which we don’t exactly have
by McCann's the Man on Jul 22, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
I believe by the time Hudson arrives he of course wont be in tip top shape but he will be good enough to give us 6 innings after a couple of starts. I dont envision him being an ace for us right out of the gate however i have no doubt he will be suitable as a #4 starter and by the time the post season is here he will be a little more stretched out.
As far as V-Mart goes.
They want pitching back and that IS something we have.
I would say a package of:
Medlen as the centerpiece
Kotchman as a fill in/replacement for them
From there throw in one of our lower A arms.
The only problem with going after V-Mart is the same problem we will have going after any hitter and thats the fact that EVERYONE wants hitting. With V-Mart our competition becomes the Red Sox most likely in which we should quickly bow out lol
by drumzalicious on Jul 22, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
They will have no interest in Kotchman, they have the better version of him: Ryan Garko. Medlen is not the centerpiece for a player of his caliber. The Indians asked for Buchholz, doubt they’ll settle for Medlen
by McCann's the Man on Jul 22, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
hmmm
good point about Garko.
Back to the drawing board
by drumzalicious on Jul 22, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you seen what they're asking for?
Apparently they would require Boston to give them Clay Bucholtz and another top prospect. So I don’t think we’re in the running for Vmart. But youre right, he would be amazing in the 4 hole behind Chipper.
Great point, neve thought about V_Mart. But who are you going to trade to the Indians?? Kotchman and………………………
Thats a nice lineup
by AlRoBraves95 on Jul 22, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
lol it is a good one indeed.
i posted what i would trade above your post
by drumzalicious on Jul 22, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Once again, Hart no value. We traded Flowers and three other pieces to get him when his value was very low, and Flowers at a high point after his tear in the AFL. I don’t think either Lowrie or Jeffress are as valuable as Flowers. Not to mention Jeffress is one strike away from a lifetime ban and is likely destined to be a power bullpen arm though if he puts it together he’s a top of the rotation starter. Flowers’ posted much better numbers in A ball compared to Lawrie and there are more questions about Lawrie’s defense than Flowers
by McCann's the Man on Jul 22, 2009 12:08 AM EDT reply actions
I didnt even read the aticle I know it’s a dumb statement. Why trade one of our best pitchers down the strech?? this guy is like 3rd the NL in SO, and in the top 10 in era. We gave up good prospects for JV and to give up on him now? I understand his value is up bla bla bla……Let Hudson go next year or have a 6 man rotation,,,,,Imagine,,
Derek Lowe
Tim Hudson
Tommy Hanson
Jair Jurrgens
Javier Vasquez
Kawakami
We won’t have the money to keep both Vazquez and Hudson. I think we should trade Vazquez, but only during the off-season. He’s the only one with significant trade value, there would only be a slight drop-off from him to Hudson, and we get back valuable pieces in a trade
by McCann's the Man on Jul 22, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont think
that there would be that significant of a drop off. Hudson will be essentially 18 months removed from TJ surgery to start out the year. I think the only thing we have to worry about is his work load
by drumzalicious on Jul 22, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I say play it by ear
If there is a team out there that wants to give us a top 25 prospect and another good prospect for Javy then maybe we have to do it. We really do need a 1st baseman that can hit for power and is ready to start in the majors right now. It appears that we won’t have even one guy in the lineup who approaches 25 homers and that is a recipe for failure. If we are within a couple games of the wildcard then I would be behind keeping Javy until the offseason. If we could get Justin Smoak and Martin Perez from the Rangers or Brett Wallace and Jess Todd from the Cards I would be good with the trade.
He can block any trade to a team in either the AL or NL West. I would definitely trade Javy for Wallace and Todd but they might as well throw in 2 or 3 more guys and go get Halladay
by McCann's the Man on Jul 22, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m just saying it seems highly unlikely that they will move Wallace for anybody outside of a Halladay
by McCann's the Man on Jul 22, 2009 1:58 AM EDT reply actions
Oh I feel you
I just think that Javy would be a terrific second prize for a team willing to part with top prospects.
UGH, one word: fantasy
If you play fantasy baseball you realize that Javier Vasquez is having one of the best statistical seasons for a pitcher this year. His value is currently top 5 for pitchers in the ML based on what he is done, there is no way you’ll get back even close to equal value.
Can we just celebrate Frank Wren’s amazing offseason acquisition of Vasquez?

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