(IF) WE SELL AT THE DEADLINE....WHO TO DEAL
i didn't realize another similar post was up before this. I started typing the fanpost before (the other one) but wife served dinner and I stopped typing. Watched a little Trueblood on HBO and then finished the post. Sorry for beating a dead horse. That wasn't my intentions. 11:24 PM
I know!!!!!!!! Our team seems prime for a breakout win streak and it could very well happen against the Mets after the break. I know!!!!!!!!!! We just got rid of the abomination we called Frenchy. I know, I know , I know.
However, the next two weeks could very easily be the nail in the coffin. We meet the Mets (4), Giant Aces (4), Brew Crew Bats (3), Marlins (3), and Manny (1) before the deadline. This is a tough stretch and as a pessimistic ASS I'm assuming were lucky to pull a .500 record before the deadline.
The braves farm system is annually consider one of the best in the business but it's very obviously that we lack positional depth in the IF and bats in general. We have depth with arms and many high ceiling types but we truly have glaring whole with our positional players. I know!!!!!! We have Heyward, Freeman, and Schafer. However, besides them who do we really have after that? My point..........
If we drop the ball after the all star break we should serious consider dealing some pieces and re-stock the cabinets. Players I think we should consider moving: Gonzo, Soriano, Vazquez, ( I would add Kawakami but I think he will be an ambassador for the Braves in Japan scouting once his contract is over. I just see them using his popularity and connections in Japan.)
Vazquez? I think that the Doc sweepstakes should be a good indication of what the Braves might be able to acquire. Obviously, Doc is on another level but none the less he is setting the market whether he is dealt or not. The teams merging as the front runners are as follows: Phillies (We won't deal to them), Cardinals, and Rangers. The rangers seem to match up best but have money issues. If the braves eat Vazquez contract (later half of 2009) he becomes much more attractive as Texas can buy out Padilla option for 1.75 million and cover Vazquez cost for 2010. With the braves covering his cost they also get a better package in return. A realistic return would be the following:
1) Feliz or Holland 2) Kiker or Main 3) Matt West or Wittleman 4) Marcus Lemon 5) Joaquin Arias
I know!!!!!! Vazquez has a no trade clause but if the braves can pull this type of load then they should not hesitate. Though Vazquez is the best pitcher on our staff now we do have internal options to backfill for the 2009 season. Medlen could be serviceable until September when Hudson starts making his comeback. Maybe Hudson isn't the same when he gets back but you still picked up Feliz for 2010. This gives you flexibility with what you do with Hudson in 2010. A rotation of Lowe, JJ, Hanson, Kawakami, and Feliz is more tan serviceable. I know!!!!!! He's our top ace but sell high if your not in it for the ring.
Cardinals: Have similar money issues but once again we could cover the cost.
1) Rasmus 2) Kozma 3) Reifer 4) Allen Craig or De La Cruz 5) P.J. Walters
Here we have pitching issues after the trade. Yes, Medlen can fill and Hudson could pick it up where he left off but no Feliz to fill in. However, on the flip side you now have a stud OF that's MLB ready. Schafer or Rasmus? Good problem to have and good trade chip in the offseason to fit needs if need be. NO TRADE CLAUSE FOR CENTRAL.
Dodgers: Have the money
1) Kemp 2) Dejesus Jr. 3) Austin Gallagher 4)Nathan Evaldi 5) PTBNL
Soriano and/or Gonzo: nothing less than a top organizational prospect would do. Teams that come to mind
Rays: Tim Beckham and Reid Fonk we cover soriano salary. Jennings and Brignac we cover Soriano salary.
Rays: Gonzo for Brignac and PTBNL
Reds: Soto and Todd Frazier or Valaika for Soriano
Reds: Gonzo for Valaika and PTBNL
Rockies: Gonzo for Chris Nelson and Casey Weathers or Aneaury Rodriguez
Dodgers: Dejesus Jr and Nathan Eovaldi for Soriano
Dodgers: Dejesus Jr for Gonao and PTBNL
I truly hope the braves pull together a nice win streak soon but I'm very doubtful of it actually happening. I think we have several pieces and talent for 2010 but we should capatilize on a "sell high" if were not in it for the ring. Medlen will be serviceable and the Hudson experiment will start no more than 3 weeks after the deadline. I don't see us trading both Gonzo and Soriano so technically we will still have a closer for our pen. With "Buddy" coming back and Valdez in the pen we will once again be serviceable.
I'm sure this post will piss many off on the blog but I wanted to start a discussion on the possibility that we might be sellers in July or August. Who do we match up with? Is my concern of NO farm system INF and general bat depth legitimate?
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I was pitching Vazquez to LA for Kemp plus prospects last week. It seems like both teams could get a need for a strength in a trade with that framework.
"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."
by jeg on Jul 12, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't work!
Vazquez has a Limited NTC that specifically for AL & NL West teams.
by Jay212033 on Jul 12, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A flight from Texas is actually shorter than Chicago so I think there's wiggle room with texas.
L.A. is quite a different story and it would come down to this one simple quesitons:
DO YOU WANT TO WIN A RING THIS YEAR?
VAZQUEZ the dodgers are one of the best teams in the MLB right now. They have almost a lock to the playoffs and are considered the favorite in the N.L. Do you want to win now?
by Charmin519 on Jul 12, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the same time it is a long shot and I do recognize that.
by Charmin519 on Jul 12, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no team...
will give up their Top Prospect for a year and 1/2 of Javy.
you WAYYYYYYYYY over-value him. he’s a #2, at best, in the AL.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 13, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
I overvalued him by much. He would be the second best pitcher on the market and strikeout machine. He would be under control for a reasonable amount for 2010 and would most likely be a Type A free agent at the end of the contract. Because of the lack of pitching available on the market this year his value rises because basic supply and demand. I might have overpriced him a little but I’m not too far off.
by Charmin519 on Jul 13, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well everything you said up there is insane.
by esadb on Jul 14, 2009 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pa lease look at the poll. I'm not that insane. In fact your in the minority.
Most agree that it would be a similar haul or a little less. So I’m not the only one saying this. Do you not understand how a market is set? It doesn’t matter if jesus christ himself was Halladay. If vazquez is second best on the market, similar year stats, same contract timeline, and less money on contract, then vazquez’s market becomes very similar to Halladay. His price also goes up because there is halladay and then vazquez for stud pitchers on the market.
Now does that mean someone is going to pay that price? No, but based on market conditions that’s the going rate. The braves could take less but it would be stupid of them to do so.
by Charmin519 on Jul 14, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WAYYYYYYYYYYY over-value huh?!?!
The I guess the Blue Jays WAYYYYYYYYYYYY over-value Halladay as well huh?!?! Teams will only get a year and a half of Halladay as well you do know that right? Halladay makes more this season and will make 4 mil more that Javy next and their stats are very comparable this season as well. So if the Braves are sellers we should expect top tier prospects in return for Vazquez!
by Jay212033 on Jul 13, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you just compare Javier Vazquez to Roy Halladay?
by esadb on Jul 14, 2009 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your not getting the point.
He’s comparing market prices and your comparing career stats and name sakes.
by Charmin519 on Jul 14, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am getting the point
The price for Hallday shouldnt be compared to what Vazquez will get.
by esadb on Jul 14, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
He won’t fetch as much, but the team that comes in second in that derby will be that much more desperate.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 15, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he's said specifically that he only wants to play on the East Coast.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 13, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seriously can’t believe you made this when someone made a fanpost 2 hours ago talking about the exact same thing.
by bigjoe on Jul 12, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And this one sucked so much harder. So much for learning by example.
by 17843 on Jul 12, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raunchier rosterbation, little grasp of trade value, excessive exclamation points.
by 17843 on Jul 13, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It didnt suck that bad except most of the players u listed will never be traded/
Baseball is my life
by That a boy on Jul 13, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't up when I started.........
In my defense I started the fanpost
wife served dinner shortly after so I stopped
TrueBlood came on HBO and I started watching.
Then I finished. So it may look bad at first glance but I didn’t see the damn thing and say," hey I should type something up too!/"
by Charmin519 on Jul 12, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one will touch Gonza when he has elbow tendonitis.
by Jerret Anderson on Jul 12, 2009 11:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Point
We don’t really know the extent of his injury. I assume he is comes out after the break with a few good starts then everything is fine? If not then your absolutely right.
by Charmin519 on Jul 12, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardly...
A guy can work through that with a week off.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 13, 2009 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade anyone named McCann. They’re all bums!
"Here comes Bream! Here's the throw to the plate! He is...safe! Braves win! Braves win! Braves win! Braves win!...Braves win!"
by jug on Jul 13, 2009 3:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
These trade proposals are unrealistic. No way any one gives up any one named Beckham, Kemp, or Rasmus is getting traded for anything less than Roy Hallady. Failed Rosterbation post for you. Try again with realistic options in mind.
Proof that when posting while high or intoxicated can lead to some really funny posts
by bravesrbaseball on Jul 13, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Vazquez could net comprable prospects.
He’d be the #2 SP on the market and he’d be miles ahead of most anybody you could list 3rd.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 13, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well......
That’s kinda why I had the poll. I wasn’t really sure what type of guys he could pull. If you base them off the Halladay deal then I’m in the ballpark. I knoww he’s not Doc but he is by far the second best option by a mile.
I don’t think the cardinals match up unless they give up Rasmus that’s why I included him
Beckham is somewhat blocked by Bartlett and Zobrist. Brignac is more realistic but how bad do the rays need a closer?
Kemp is not untouchable with Pierre on the bench. I don’t have time to look up the articles saying that but they are out there.
by Charmin519 on Jul 13, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would only deal Javy if we were to get one top 50 prospect in return (Starting Pitcher or Shortstop or Third or Second) two mid level prospects, and a bench player
by Bravesfrk34 on Jul 13, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs





















