Jeff Francoeur Trade Reactions
by gondeee on Jul 11, 2009 12:45 PM EDT
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The Jeff Francoeur and Ryan Church trade that the Mets and the Braves completed last night caught a lot of people by surprise, including the players themselves. Below are some reactions and quotes from around the baseball world.
FanHouse tells us this about the trade:
One scout who specializes in the National League called it a win for the Braves, noting that Atlanta seemed unlikely to tender Francoeur a contract after the season, effectively releasing him.
I think everyone, even Francoeur, knew that was the reality. FanHouse also tells us something jaw dropping about how bad Francoeur is:
Francoeur has walked in just 4.8 percent of his career plate appearances with a .308 on-base percentage – the lowest ever of any primarily corner outfielder with 2,500 plate appearances.
I knew he was bad, but the worst every! Wow. Rob Neyer passes along these notes on the trade:
Since coming off the DL in early June, Church's line is .290/.336/.402 ... far from good for a corner outfielder, but decent enough compared to most of the Mets' other outfielders ... and of course a far sight prettier than Francoeur's .250/.282/.352 line for the season.
Defense? According to UZR, there's little difference between them and Church might actually be better.
Baseball America poses a really good question:
Francouer still possesses excess levels of athleticism, with the potential to hit 30 home runs, but he'll need to refine his approach in order to reach his ceiling. What makes the Mets think they can be more successful in this endeavor than the Braves have been?
Omar Minaya has my favorite quote from this trade:
"This had nothing to do with not liking Ryan Church, but, one thing we like about Francoeur is the amount of games he plays,"
What a completely useless thing to say. Why not just go ahead and add that you like him because he swings at every pitch... because he does.
One of the best quotes about what awaits Francoeur comes from Matt Cerrone of MetsBlog:
Francoeur said by phone that he is fired up to play in New York City. That’s good, because New York will likely either inspire Francoeur, and get him back to the player he once was, or it we will eat him alive, and be the final nail in his coffin.
Unfortunately it will likely be the latter. Cerone also says that Jeff will wear uniform number 12.
Prediction: The Mets will non-tender Francoeur at the end of the year, and he will be signed by the Royals.
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Of course the royals will sign him
by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jul 11, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Goodnight sweet prince 2005 - 2009
60% of the time, it works every time
by ATLandUNC on Jul 11, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My reaction: Praise to the heavens. I even thanked Tebow.
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Jul 11, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
For invoking his holinesses name on an otherwise georgia centric blog
by Sid Bream's Moustache on Jul 11, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol the Tebow thing is sort of an on-going joke, because he’s so heralded throughout college football and the worldwide leader. It certainly has nothing to do with my SEC-affiliations. I bleed orange.
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Jul 11, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gross.
Most hideous team color going.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How’s his arm? Say what you will about frenchy, but dude had a rocket.
by Xshare on Jul 11, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Has any player ever gotten more mileage out of happening to have a strong OF arm than Jeff Francoeur?
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Jul 11, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he does have a rocket
unfortunately he has the tendency over the last couple of years to air mail the ball and even when he’s at his best, it’s not nearly enough to make up for his bat.
by was385 on Jul 11, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So far everything I’ve read says that Church is about equal defensively. We’ll get to see soon if that’s true, but it’s encouraging.
by Gage23 on Jul 11, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So do most pitchers in the majors...
But you don’t see them getting trotted out there every day as a corner OF because of it.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m very happy to be rid of him, but I also have to feel a little sorry for Jeff. The Mets is just about the worst team for him to land on especially with their new pitcher friendly ballpark. He really needed to go somewhere like Houston or Boston where he could hit a lot of pop fly homeruns. Assuming Minaya isn’t fired at season’s end, I predict Jeff will be back in New York next season but won’t show any improvement over what he’s done the last year and a half. And yes he’ll likely end up playing for Kansas City or Washington where former members of Braves front office have sway.
by redwards95 on Jul 11, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ironic...
he’ll likely end up playing for Kansas City or Washington where former members of Braves front office have sway.
That this he’s more likely to end up there.
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 11, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm thinking Texas would be smart to sign him...
they do have a history of turning other people’s shit into gold.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 11, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...they do?
Are you talking about Kevin Millwood? Or Chan Ho Park? Or maybe Salty? Maybe you meant Chris shelton!
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Chris Shelton plays for the Mariners…
by RainDelay on Jul 12, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was in Texas last year.
And he sucked after he OPSed 801 in DET the year before.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 13, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the back of Frenchy’s mind right now: “Damn it, Jeff!!! You should have stuck with the QB thing.”
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Free Safety
"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."
by jeg on Jul 11, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/020702/cle_MPS-5180.000.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Jeff_Francoeur
http://florida.scout.com/2/19048.html
Free Safety
"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."
by jeg on Jul 12, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the last article...
Francoeur, 6-4 and 205 pounds, plays free safety, cornerback and wide receiver. So everybody get along, you were both right.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 13, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine him being good on the football field either
I’m sorry, people drool all over his athleticism but he is not quick. He may have a fantastic top speed but it takes him so long to reach that top speed that in any sport, it’s probably pretty useless.
by was385 on Jul 11, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he'd be a good middle-distance runner?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terrible Trade
30 Vs. 25………Church is what he is. Frenchy will go on to be a 5 time all star.
by JaeSlim on Jul 11, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, and I fucked Jessica Biel and Megan Fox last night… at the same time.
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Jul 11, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No you didn't.
Because I was with Megan all night.
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 11, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I was with Jessica.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
A man walks into a meat shoppe and goes to the counter. The cashier asks, "Thinking about buying some meat?". The man replied, "No, I'm going to buy meat, I was thinking about punanny."
by bwellnjonesco on Jul 11, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re on to something, dude. Go to Vegas and put all your chips on Frenchy, son.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess only time will tell, easy for you guys to say now…….but lets see where they are in 5 years
by JaeSlim on Jul 11, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not going to buy a ‘87 Chrysler not because I’m wondering how it will be doing in 5 years, but because I know it’s…..had it’s day.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Church is the ‘87…..Frenchy is the 09’
your just flat wrong, AAA would have made much more sense right now, especially with Infante coming back soon.
by JaeSlim on Jul 11, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you’re right, man. I’m just glad I’m a Braves fan right now, and pity the fool that thinks Frenchy will “turn it around” in freaking New York.
It just sounds harsh because it’s the internet, and I like Frenchy, btw. But I know how it’s going to play out.
I’m just curious, and I know it has nothing to do with anything, but I have 2 questions:
1. How old are you?
2. Have you been watching Jeff play the last few seasons?
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you’re right about one thing, with Frenchy out of the picture and Omar coming back soon, it’s like Christmas morning around here.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about an '05 that's been in the shop for years after it ran great the first couple months?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, given Frenchy’s regression over the past 3 years, I’d say that in 5 years he will be out of baseball entirely.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 11, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This guy is either a troll or Omar Minaya himself and I don’t think Omar knows how to use a computer.
by VictorW on Jul 11, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol. ; ))
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!
by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jul 11, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Church is what he is"
but Frenchy is apparently someone other than Frenchy.
You may have a future in the Met’s FO
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 11, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m with Victor. With that quote, handle, and profile pic, it might really be Minaya.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God, your sig is stupendous!
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Church is what he is, which is probably the ceiling for Frenchy.
by dlkinser86 on Jul 11, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
Andy Marte will too.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hanson wouldn’t start again til after the break anyway. It’s a puff piece. And Gonzo needs to re-group.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s just to give us an additional reliever while Hanson will be back in time to make his next turn.
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Jul 11, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s what I thought. Hopefully we won’t need any relievers tonight.
by ccarr25 on Jul 11, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t believe it, how stupid is Omar Minaya? He talks about Frenchy being able to everyday, but when a player plays below replacement level, the more he plays, the worse off your team will be.
by MatM on Jul 11, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's the Mutts, dude
David “Eyebrows” Wright is the face of their freaking team. That statement speaks for itself. I would describe his batting stance as, “gay porn actor.”
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha. hes only got 5 homers
by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jul 11, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Youkilis
has that copyrighted.
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 11, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lmao. "waaaaaaaaay better play"
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn thats the funniest thing I've heard in a while
gay porn star
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
by Jaxon on Jul 21, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frenchy's arm is good
maybe he can pull of a reverse Rick Ankiel and become a pitcher. Since he hits like one already.
by Cracker! on Jul 11, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I officially suggested that 3 months ago.
by Bronn on Jul 11, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I even used the phrase “Reverse Ankiel.”
by Bronn on Jul 11, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, I swear I hadn't seen it
or was aware of this site that long ago. Kudos
by Cracker! on Jul 12, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Church has an .804 road OPS this year.
I can’t even get over how much of a steal this is. Getting him out of that park and that locker room should do wonders for Church, I just have this gut feeling we’re getting a good ballplayer.
This guy was set to have a really, really good year last year but got derailed by the concussions. I think Church will be a pleasant surprise for us in the second half.
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Jul 11, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fanhouse is wrong...
About Jeff’s .308 being the lowest EVER by a corner OF with over 2500 PAs.
Craig Monroe has a .301 OBP with 2,900+ PA, and with 82% of his games as a corner outfielder…
Cory Snyder has a .291 OBP with 3933 PA, and with 83% of his games coming as a corner OF.
Those are just two guys I thought of, I’m sure there’s more. When I saw them claim that I was like 95% sure they were wrong.
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Jul 11, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
100% of Frenchy’s PAs were as a corner OF. How do the numbers stack up?
by FineHamAbounds on Jul 11, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year...
I calculated that by at least one standard, Jeffy had the worst season of any outfielder in the 140-odd-year history of the Braves organization. And he’s just gotten worse.
by Mac T on Jul 11, 2009 6:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s weird seeing Frenchy in blue and orange. I’m watching the game.
by Gage23 on Jul 11, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha the Mets are hitting in the five spot. Thats like putting a child in charge of a MLB organisation, sort of Omar Minaya.
by ccarr25 on Jul 11, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We've mentioned before that he hits really well #4...
Blind confidence in the guy couldn’t make him any worse, could it?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 13, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3rd time’s the charm
zzzzzzz
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff F
you people are stupid. the wrong person left the team. that idiot cox should have left. he has batted jeff out of position for years. look what happen to clint barmes at colorado after they fired that manager and moved barmes up from 8thto 2nd in the order. he’s on fire. cox was jealous of jeff because he was more popular and did him no favors. watch jeff go as a met. i’ll be back to say i told you so.
by 1956 on Jul 12, 2009 5:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Will you come back to say you were wrong if things don’t play out like you say?
"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich
by NCChopper on Jul 12, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't call people names
It’s just not very nice.
Francoeur for the most part was pretty set in at the 5-6 hole with McCann for the vast part of his Braves career. Obviously, with no chance of him getting 3-4 due to the Chipper-Andruw/Teixeira tandem, the 5-6 hole was what he was going to be left with. And that’s still a pretty decent slot, because he was expected to protect the #4 or McCann, which to me, is a position of trusting and expectations saved for those with potential to deliver big hits.
It wasn’t until he began his free-falling in 2008 did Bobby Cox begin to shuffle him around into the lower part of the order, AA, or the bench, and even all of those were done a little too late.
It’s not like a whole lot is different right now – Francoeur batted a familiar 5th in his first game with the Mets. And that’s very likely to fluctuate upon the return of some of their big bats. I’d quickly hypothesize something along the lines of Beltran 3, Delgado 4, Wright 5, Sheffield 6, which puts Francoeur at 7, where sure he’d be expected to protect Sheff, but can his fragile psyche wrap around that notion instead of the number 7?
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jul 12, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...so where should he have been hitting, exactly?
He’s sucked at 5, 6, and 7 over the last two years.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 13, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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